What's the truth about cholesterol?

What's the truth about cholesterol? My intuition says fatty meats are good for you, but "they" keep saying it's going block your arteries. I don't buy it.

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat as much meat and cheese as you want. I look forward to your future heart attack.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Okay, I'll eat the bugs, dammit!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are going to get heart attack from your vax shots before you die from meat and fat

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    eating cholesterol = meaningless, it breaks down in your stomach

    blood cholesterol = very important, will fuck you up permanently and long term

    must manage shit like eating saturated fats and cardio to keep ldl and hdl blood cholesterol ratio healthy

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cardio
      Is it really that simple? The way high cholesterol is demonised in the health propaganda, I sort of assumed it's something incurable. But all you have to do is not be a fatass? Fuck.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        theres 2 types of cholesterol. "bad" cholesterol which is ldl cholesterol (its good but its the one that becomes bad when you have too much) and "good" cholesterol hdl which regulates ldl cholesterol.

        bad cholesterol is moderated by your body fat and also how much shit lke trans fats and saturated fat you eat. so high body fat and high saturated/trans fat = high ldl cholesterol = bad cholesterol.

        but what really matters is the ratio of hdl and ldl. ldl is "bad" when you have too much of it relative to the hdl cholesterol which is the regulator of ldl cholesterol.

        you can raise your hdl cholesterol through exercise and eating foods that boost hdl cholesterol, like olive or avocado oil and other so called heart healthy fats.

        really trans fats are the only purely bad fat, saturated fat technically increase total cholesterol, both hdl and ldl, which means that its only risky if you are fat and arent exercising.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          This guy is so close yet so far.

          Calling LDL the "bad cholesterol" is like saying glucose is the "bad sugar," because people with high glucose levels have diabetes.

          Both LDL and glucose and literally everything else your body intentionally MAKES and DISTRIBUTES around your body are highly important and necessary for survival and referring to these molecules as "bad" is simply retarded.

          So what is it called when your LDL starts fucking things up? It's the exact same thing as what happens when glucose starts fucking things up. It's called metabolic dysfunction. In simple terms, it's called being a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods.

          What if you are a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods but also has a low cholesterol and a low LDL? Maybe you take statins? Well, guess what, you're still going to be in shit health and die of some sort of metabolic dysfunction. It literally won't change anything. Because human health doesn't revolve around this molecule or that molecule. It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.

          >but what really matters is the ratio of hdl and ldl.
          This is kind of correct because this is a marker of metabolic dysfunction. If you look at pic related, you will see that the people with high HDL can have literally any level of LDL and they will always have less risk of cardiovascular disease than people with low HDL. So the mathematical ratio doesn't really matter.

          I'm going to reply to this comment with 3 research studies. One shows that metabolic dysfunction both in terms of insulin resistance or imbalanced cholesterol ratios predicts age-related diseases. The next shows that MORE total cholesterol in old people DECREASED risk of cancer/infection death, with 0 impact on cardiovascular disease. The third shows that replacing saturated fats with low-quality shit seeds oils does not actually lower the risk of cardiovascular death.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            did you even read what you responded to
            > "bad" cholesterol which is ldl cholesterol (its good but its the one that becomes bad when you have too much)

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Did you even read my post or look at my image? I feel like you didn't because you have a small ADD brain, so I'll hold your hand.

              >If you look at pic related, you will see that the people with high HDL can have literally any level of LDL and they will always have less risk of cardiovascular disease than people with low HDL. So the mathematical ratio doesn't really matter.

              Try a little harder.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb post 0/5

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.
            based, don't eat anything with an ingredient list

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/DuU2Zng.png

          This guy is so close yet so far.

          Calling LDL the "bad cholesterol" is like saying glucose is the "bad sugar," because people with high glucose levels have diabetes.

          Both LDL and glucose and literally everything else your body intentionally MAKES and DISTRIBUTES around your body are highly important and necessary for survival and referring to these molecules as "bad" is simply retarded.

          So what is it called when your LDL starts fucking things up? It's the exact same thing as what happens when glucose starts fucking things up. It's called metabolic dysfunction. In simple terms, it's called being a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods.

          What if you are a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods but also has a low cholesterol and a low LDL? Maybe you take statins? Well, guess what, you're still going to be in shit health and die of some sort of metabolic dysfunction. It literally won't change anything. Because human health doesn't revolve around this molecule or that molecule. It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.

          >but what really matters is the ratio of hdl and ldl.
          This is kind of correct because this is a marker of metabolic dysfunction. If you look at pic related, you will see that the people with high HDL can have literally any level of LDL and they will always have less risk of cardiovascular disease than people with low HDL. So the mathematical ratio doesn't really matter.

          I'm going to reply to this comment with 3 research studies. One shows that metabolic dysfunction both in terms of insulin resistance or imbalanced cholesterol ratios predicts age-related diseases. The next shows that MORE total cholesterol in old people DECREASED risk of cancer/infection death, with 0 impact on cardiovascular disease. The third shows that replacing saturated fats with low-quality shit seeds oils does not actually lower the risk of cardiovascular death.

          https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/86/8/3574/2848584
          >Insulin Resistance as a Predictor of Age-Related Diseases
          >Insulin resistance predicts age-related diseases.
          >200 healthy people tested for insulin resistance.
          >After 6 years, no one in lowest third got heart disease, stroke, cancer, hypertension, or diabetes.
          >Ratio of total/HDL cholesterol predictor of tertile

          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140673697044309
          >Total cholesterol and risk of mortality in the oldest old
          >Each 1 mmol/L increase in total cholesterol corresponded to a 15% decrease in mortality
          >Mortality from cancer and infection was significantly lower among the participants in the highest total cholesterol category
          >In people older than 85 years, high total cholesterol concentrations are associated with longevity owing to lower mortality from cancer and infection.
          >The main cause of death was cardiovascular disease with a similar mortality risk in the three total cholesterol categories.

          https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246
          >Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data from Minnesota Coronary Experiment (1968-73)
          >The MCE (1968-73) is a double blind randomized controlled trial designed to test whether replacement of saturated fat with vegetable oil rich in linoleic acid reduces coronary heart disease and death by lowering serum cholesterol.
          >Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes.

          As you can clearly see, eating lots of saturated fat and having "high cholesterol" has nothing to do with heart disease or clogged arteries. It strictly comes from being a fat fuck who eats invented foods and doesn't exercise. If anyone disagrees, please rationally disagree with evidence.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb post, weak evidence and correlation not causation, you are stupid

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I appreciate that you started putting a little more effort into your posts, but you're still not making a rational argument or using evidence to back your claims. Try a little harder please.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                As soon as you post research establishing causation we can talk again, dumbass

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >research establishing causation
                And here you have exposed yourself as someone who doesn't know what the scientific method is or what the goal of research is. You also don't know what "burden of proof" means. Well, thanks for playing. See you in another thread in the future, maybe.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You just give up? Fine by me, fuck off

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                youre making yourself look like a fool

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                kek find any nutritional study that establishes causation

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The trail of this poster’s blue pills leads you to the peak of Dunning Kruger. Jesus why do you feel qualified to give advice on this shit?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Any time I hear "heart healthy fats" my fight-or-flight kicks in.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          lol you fucking retard. trans fats and pufa fats are proven to be inflamatory and estrogenic hence carcinogenic, life shortening poison. There's no poinit even consuming them at all. You are a bluepilled retard. I would tell you to have a nice day but you already probably are.

          https://i.imgur.com/FweGfZF.jpg

          Speaking of cholesterol, I recently got blood work done, and decided to fast for 5 days before having it drawn, just to see what it'd look like. I was surprised when my results showed an LDL of 129, much higher than it normally is. HDL was 60 though. Anyway, I'm wondering if extended fasts/ketosis have any kind of transient effect on cholesterol values.

          not sure how to explain this but it would depend on ur diet. if ur eating shit like raw bread, cane sugar and candy u would deplete your body of hormones like cortisol and insulincholesterol dependent hormones like testosterone and etc. So your cholesterol might go up becuase you aren't depleting it as much and the fast would allow your anabolism to stabilize and synthesize more cholesterol.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can be fit and have bad cholesterol
        It's mostly about what you eat. Try to avoid trans fats and minimize saturated fats in favor of unsaturated ones

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kinda. You need to lover fat on your intestines. Beat way to lower that is by walking. Lot of walking. It burns that fat. Some people who do cardio still have cholesterol. Becouse they either run too fast or not long enough. It's kinda bullshit how it is. It's hardest fat to get rid off

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Saturated fat raises HDL

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it breaks down in your stomach
      intestinal permeability

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >eating cholesterol = meaningless, it breaks down in your stomach
      Not only this, but your own body produces more cholesterol than you eat in a day and regulates how much it makes based on your intake.
      Cholesterol buildup is because you don't exercise and get your blood pumping. Cardio is the equivalent of brushing your teeth to prevent plaque buildup.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        scientifically wrong but pretty much correct and simple enough to explain to 5 year olds-pilled

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do whatever you want. It’s your future.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ramp up the consumption of fatty meats then, but keep an eye out for increasingly painful and frequent heart palpitations that will result from doing that. That's how my keto journey ended, it was so bad I couldn't sleep on left side.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Keto/Atkin's diet put my father in the hospital. It worked. He lost weight. He just ended up fucking up his body to do it.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on your genetics and intake of unsaturated healthy oils. For someone like me, that is a cholesterol responder, I have to watch my intake of cholesterol carefully.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also depends on your cardio routine. "bad" cholesterol is important for muscle building and hormonal health, but clogged arteries aren't a meme, and elite athletes who don't watch their diet still get them.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bro I also wonder this. I eat lots of meat while lifting and 20 mins cardio/day. Look great feel great. Normies and family members don't tell me I look great, they tell me I probably have high cholesterol. Meanwhile they all took the shot...how I do I trust a Dr who told me to take that shot?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      high cholesterol and a bad cholesterol ratio doesn't make you look bad. it accumulates plaque in your arteries that eventually lead to cardiovascular complications decades down the line. it's also irreversible. later fixing your blood cholesterol does not undo the plaque already accumulated.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I LOOK GRE-ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you are active and not obese and you don't eat invented foods (Doritos, seed oils, etc.), you are in perfect health and have literally nothing to worry about. What this person said

      high cholesterol and a bad cholesterol ratio doesn't make you look bad. it accumulates plaque in your arteries that eventually lead to cardiovascular complications decades down the line. it's also irreversible. later fixing your blood cholesterol does not undo the plaque already accumulated.

      is dangerously stupid and flat-out incorrect. Specifically his implication that plaques come from having "high cholesterol and a bad cholesterol ratio." See this image as evidence:

      https://i.imgur.com/DuU2Zng.png

      This guy is so close yet so far.

      Calling LDL the "bad cholesterol" is like saying glucose is the "bad sugar," because people with high glucose levels have diabetes.

      Both LDL and glucose and literally everything else your body intentionally MAKES and DISTRIBUTES around your body are highly important and necessary for survival and referring to these molecules as "bad" is simply retarded.

      So what is it called when your LDL starts fucking things up? It's the exact same thing as what happens when glucose starts fucking things up. It's called metabolic dysfunction. In simple terms, it's called being a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods.

      What if you are a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods but also has a low cholesterol and a low LDL? Maybe you take statins? Well, guess what, you're still going to be in shit health and die of some sort of metabolic dysfunction. It literally won't change anything. Because human health doesn't revolve around this molecule or that molecule. It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.

      >but what really matters is the ratio of hdl and ldl.
      This is kind of correct because this is a marker of metabolic dysfunction. If you look at pic related, you will see that the people with high HDL can have literally any level of LDL and they will always have less risk of cardiovascular disease than people with low HDL. So the mathematical ratio doesn't really matter.

      I'm going to reply to this comment with 3 research studies. One shows that metabolic dysfunction both in terms of insulin resistance or imbalanced cholesterol ratios predicts age-related diseases. The next shows that MORE total cholesterol in old people DECREASED risk of cancer/infection death, with 0 impact on cardiovascular disease. The third shows that replacing saturated fats with low-quality shit seeds oils does not actually lower the risk of cardiovascular death.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Artery plaque is made of LDL cholesterol

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, LDL is found in arterial plaques, and...? Do you know what blood clots are made of? Do you think we should reduce our platelet levels to get rid of blood clots?

          You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please stay on topic retard or we'll be discussing what trees are made of in no time

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >hurr durr this bad thing is made of this
              >therefore let's GET RID OF IT in the WHOLE BODY!
              The fact you thought I changed topics by using a comparison is really embarrassing.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please stay on topic retard

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blaming cholesterol for arterial blockage is like blaming the scab for the wound it covers.

    The cycle is inflammation => LDL cholesterol moves to site of inflammation => plaque. Reducing inflammation e.g. by excluding inflammatory poly-unsaturated fats attacks the underlying cause.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shoo shoo keto shill

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA and you don't have to be a keto cultist to acknowledge that atherosclerosis is the result of inflammation. Arterial "plaques" are literally scabs inside your blood vessels. They don't form for no reason, they form to repair damaged vessels, but they become a problem when they grow faster than they are broken down.
        Diet, lifestyle and genetics will all affect how much damage/inflammation your blood vessels are subject to.
        High blood sugar, smoking, sickle cell disease and lupus all cause chronic vascular Inflammation, and all of them are much, much stronger predictors of atherosclerosis than dietary fat or dietary cholesterol.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Excellent post, keep doing the good work anon. It's hard to fight these retarded spewers of "bad cholesterol" and "saturated fats bad" but it's also fun to see them make up nonsense and squirm when you point out the obvious.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      OK if it's cholesterol + inflammation then why assume some diet hack fixes anything? Stress, allergies, autoimmunity, sleep deprivation, exercise, being sedentary, infections, sun exposure, etc, etc... You will NEVER be free of inflammation.
      The best you can do is try to have a good lifestyle that keeps your HDL up, which is part of reverse cholesterol transport, and your LDL down so it has less chance to form deposits.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can reduce the inflammation in arterial walls by not having high blood pressure, not eating a shitton of sugar and not by not eating seed oils and oxydized fats.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          and by not eating seed oils and oxidized fats.*

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >LDL measures with no measure of HDL
        Absolutely meaningless. See:

        https://i.imgur.com/DuU2Zng.png

        This guy is so close yet so far.

        Calling LDL the "bad cholesterol" is like saying glucose is the "bad sugar," because people with high glucose levels have diabetes.

        Both LDL and glucose and literally everything else your body intentionally MAKES and DISTRIBUTES around your body are highly important and necessary for survival and referring to these molecules as "bad" is simply retarded.

        So what is it called when your LDL starts fucking things up? It's the exact same thing as what happens when glucose starts fucking things up. It's called metabolic dysfunction. In simple terms, it's called being a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods.

        What if you are a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods but also has a low cholesterol and a low LDL? Maybe you take statins? Well, guess what, you're still going to be in shit health and die of some sort of metabolic dysfunction. It literally won't change anything. Because human health doesn't revolve around this molecule or that molecule. It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.

        >but what really matters is the ratio of hdl and ldl.
        This is kind of correct because this is a marker of metabolic dysfunction. If you look at pic related, you will see that the people with high HDL can have literally any level of LDL and they will always have less risk of cardiovascular disease than people with low HDL. So the mathematical ratio doesn't really matter.

        I'm going to reply to this comment with 3 research studies. One shows that metabolic dysfunction both in terms of insulin resistance or imbalanced cholesterol ratios predicts age-related diseases. The next shows that MORE total cholesterol in old people DECREASED risk of cancer/infection death, with 0 impact on cardiovascular disease. The third shows that replacing saturated fats with low-quality shit seeds oils does not actually lower the risk of cardiovascular death.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You will NEVER be free of inflammation.
        lol what you can pay for my c-reactive protein & homocysteine tests and I will show you that I am free of chronic inflammation. Are you OK anon?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          LOL. CRP is acute phase, not chronic, it's right in the definition. CRP goes to hell after strenuous exercise and then looks fine later. Low homocysteine just means you don't have vitamin deficiencies that prevent its breakdown. Those tests mean way less than you think.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You missed the point pretty hard. The point is that if you constantly have significant inflammation, whether it's acute or chronic, you are not OK. That's why I'm asking you: are you OK, anon?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's why they tell not to exercise before a blood test

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    cholesterol only block your arterys if you have a high sugar diet the sugar makes your arterys sticky thats when they get clogged

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the endothelial inflammation, stupid

    https://journals.lww.com/co-endocrinology/Fulltext/9900/Assessing_cardiovascular_disease__looking_beyond.21.aspx

    >Assessing cardiovascular disease: looking beyond cholesterol
    >Low-density lipoprotein (LDL)-cholesterol is a weak predictor of cardiovascular risk
    >Factors that drive endothelial damage and thrombus formation greatly increase atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) risk.
    >The thrombogenic can explain a number of causal risk factors that do not fit within the LDL-cholesterol hypothesis, including type II diabetes, smoking and systemic lupus erythematosus.
    >The thrombogenic hypothesis, that endothelial damage and subsequent clot formation underlies the formation and growth of plaques, may represent a better model for ASCVD.

    >The ‘low density lipoprotein (LDL)-cholesterol hypothesis’ is widely accepted as the best model explaining how atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) develops. It states that a raised LDL level causes thickenings within arterial walls which gradually develop into larger plaques.

    >More vulnerable plaques may then ‘rupture’, triggering the final thrombotic event, fully occluding an artery, leading to events such as myocardial infarction (MI) and strokes.

    >However, the association between a raised LDL level and the development of ASCVD is weak. Indeed, many studies have found no association or even an inverse association, particularly in the older population, where most deaths from ASCVD occur [1▪].

    >The inability of LDL to accurately predict risk highlighted by the fact that the two most widely used calculators for ASCVD, in the United States and UK, do not use LDL levels to establish the risk of a future cardiovascular (CV) event

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb post, weak evidence and correlation not causation, you are stupid

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You replied to my post 1 minute after I posted it. You have not read the article or considered its arguments.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >association
          It's talking about correlations. As soon as you post research establishing causation we can talk again, dumbass

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The fact you've dismissed it without reading it because you saw the word CORRELATION just outs you as an autistic retard not worth engaging.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Denialists crutching on weak correlations when cause is known
              But the cause isn't known.
              Serum cholesterol does not show a dose-dependent risk increase for atherosclerosis, and many non-statin medications that lower LDL cholesterol have no effect on heart disease risk.

              The funniest part is that he doesn't realize that the cholesterol -> heart attack hypothesis falls apart with any scrutiny because every single study "proving" it is a correlational study. He doesn't know that because he's never looked at any studies or read any research. He just bizarrely parrots whatever the Mainstream Facts with no understanding of them.

              It's a very weird archetype of person but you better believe 99% of them have no strong father figure in their life, just as he showed earlier in the thread after getting called out for it.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Amen brother. There are other anons lurking ITT who are willing to consider the thrombotic/thrombogenic hypothesis.
                To all anons reading this, I urge you to read this article
                https://journals.lww.com/co-endocrinology/Fulltext/9900/Assessing_cardiovascular_disease__looking_beyond.21.aspx

                If the arguments contained in this article make sense to you, or you're interested in a more lay explanation, read "The Clot Thickens". It's a book by the same MD explaining the alternative hypothesis in great detail. I'm not shilling, pirate the ebook or whatever, I don't care.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no strong father figure in their life
                bingo. Never had to come to terms with being utterly and completely wrong.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Inflammation in your veins is the crook. Constant high blood sugar AND oxidated fats are both bad long term. Eat sugary snacks less frequent and do not cook with oils at high temperatures (if it becomes brown or black, that is bad and you shouldn't eat that).

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I cook everything in butter, duck fat or olive oil and eat minimum 6 eggs a day, aswell as a shit ton of dairy and meat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your HDL is pretty low and your triglycerides are rather high. Do you exercise often or carry a high BMI?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I lift 3-6 times a week and I used to be obese. I eat 1500 kcal daily and my BMI is currently 26.7 (down from lv2 obese)

        No. Literally just eat whatever animal you want and exercise frequently and intensely. Don't do weird things like taking fish oil.

        wilco

        Those aren't very good scores anon...

        how so? my doctor hasn't told me anything about them.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That makes plenty of sense, then. Hope everything stabilizes when you get to your goal weight. Well done anon and best of luck on the rest of your journey.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those aren't very good scores anon...

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no way you have LDL < 60 mg/dl, given your diet, unles you have something like the PCSK9 loss of function mutation.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        or maybe Ancel Keyes was just a lying bitch who wasn't even a doctor and simply a paid shill for the American Heart Association, funded by Procter&Gamble, the inventors of Crisco?

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"cholesterol and saturated fats cause heart disease"
    >what? no they don't. here are research studies clearly showing heart disease is not related to high cholesterol levels or high intake of saturated fats
    >"oh yeah?? PROVE IT! prove there is NO WAY cholesterol causes heart disease, RETARD! that's the whole point of science. now show me indisputable research ESTABLISHING that as a fact!"

    Laziness + arrogance is such an interesting combination. I wonder what drives people to act like this. Especially about things they clearly have no formal training with (reading and understanding research, human physiology & metabolism, etc.).

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone knows cholesterol causes heart disease. Arterial plaque is made of LDL cholesterol. Denialists crutching on weak correlations when cause is known makes them super retarded.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone knows therefore I don't have to know anything or provide any evidence
        I could tell from your first post that you were a bugman with no dad, but you saying it outright like this is just pure pottery.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Denialists crutching on weak correlations when cause is known
        But the cause isn't known.
        Serum cholesterol does not show a dose-dependent risk increase for atherosclerosis, and many non-statin medications that lower LDL cholesterol have no effect on heart disease risk.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Arterial plaque is made of LDL cholesterol
        It's made up of microphages that heal the damage done by LDL. In itself it's not made up of LDL.
        afaik...

        Only sus thing is that LDL cholesterol causes arterial damage to begin with, but VLDL and chylomicrons don't. Don't know why.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    also I would love tips on how to get higher HDL
    should I fishmaxx?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. Literally just eat whatever animal you want and exercise frequently and intensely. Don't do weird things like taking fish oil.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      exercise often and dont be high bodyfat. also dont smoke. basically do the most obvious "be healthy" shit.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's unfortunate that I don't have a blood test from before to compare. I'll keep lifting and cutting, thanks anons

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      more saturated fat. exercise and red wine raise it a bit but not as much as saturated fat

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people still believe 50 year debunked "science"
    imagine the cognitive dissonance that modern doctors must feel lmao

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I study medicine and we don't learn the cholesterol --> heart disease model. In fact, we made presentations about what causes atherosclerosis using modern studies no group came to the old conclusions.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not him, but I'm also in medical school and our Nutrition lecturer (who only gives 1 lecture to the first-year students) is a militant vegan garden gnome. You better believe we learned that saturated fat is bad and causes heart disease.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Problem there is that even like a decade after the AHA switched their guidelines to reflect the conclusions of the framingham study, like 99% of doctors still just default to the view of "LDL over 100 bad". Because it's just a lot easier to look at a numerical cutoff than to do a risk calculation.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, and that's not changing any time soon. What situation do you think is more likely?
      >scientists say cows are unhealthy for you, therefore you need to stop eating cows and take drugs researched and produced by scientists (btw 21st century Western society has suffered from heart disease on a scale unknown to man at any other point in history)
      >also we're working on fake cow meat which is gonna be so much better than the real thing
      or
      >scientists say cows are actually the healthiest thing you can eat and there is no need for scientists to research random molecules that clearly don't cause any disease

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of cholesterol, I recently got blood work done, and decided to fast for 5 days before having it drawn, just to see what it'd look like. I was surprised when my results showed an LDL of 129, much higher than it normally is. HDL was 60 though. Anyway, I'm wondering if extended fasts/ketosis have any kind of transient effect on cholesterol values.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      fasting raises LDL

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        temporarily? It goes back down to normal after?
        Is there a known ratio of how high fasted LDL is compared to a normal unfasted non-ketosis LDL level?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >60 HDL
      Nice. Your LDL level literally doesn't matter when you have that high of an HDL.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >My intuition says fatty meats are good for you
    There's your problem. The endothelial cells of your "intuition" are clogged.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      0 evidence that fatty meats clog arteries btw

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        didn't you know humans evolved not to eat fatty meats and fatty fruits (found in nature) but instead seed oils (found in lubricant factories)

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          didn't YOU know that life expectancy for cavemen was 20 years old or something (has nothing to do with babies dying or hunting accidents or predators or wound infections) and life expectancy today is 75 or whatever so therefore we are the healthiest we've ever been?

          We are clearly the healthiest we've ever been throughout history and it's thanks to The Science. That's why I eat seed oils, multivitamins, wear sunscreen, and avoid steak and eggs and whole milk.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            life expectancy today is only higher because modern medicine allows people to survive despite their awful diets, lifestyles, and obesity. Just because people can take a bunch of pills, take tpa clot busters when they start stroking, and get quadruple bypasses for their CAD doesn't mean they're healthy

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              this is a total myth. primtive peoples who don't die from post natal infection have the same life expectancy as the rest of us. Additionally they don't suffer at all from heart attacks and neurological disease. before sneed oil and big pharma heart attacks were never seen in the US.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                What he said is completely correct and what you are saying doesn't disagree with his statement at all.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                no it isn't you braindead retard. I said that life expectancy today isn't higher at all. I seriously hope you have low cholesterol as an excuse for your retardation.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Life expectancy is a mean, and absolutely it is higher today than at any other time in human history, exactly for the reasons you and him pointed out already. Life expectancy is literally defined as an "average," which means it includes babies that die shortly after or during birth.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't feed yous to lying garden gnomes. You should thank me for keeping your lights on with this free (You) hideous disgusting garden gnome.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm only making true statements and, as a matter of fact, you and I don't even disagree on what the best foods are based on your past posts. I think you need to take a few deep breaths and stop seeing red.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. The descendants of Noah lived for hundreds of years, read the Bible science fag.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure it's just largely genetic. If you have nonfat ancestors with heart problems, be cautious. If you don't, you're probably fine (unless you become fat.)

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If that were true then heart attack rates would have been constant for the entirety of human history. Please don't make things up.

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What's the truth about cholesterol? My intuition says fatty meats are good for you, but "they" keep saying it's going block your arteries. I don't buy it.
    just manage it, bloodwork yearly, if it gets too high, hit the anti nutrients, oatmeal for breakfast lowers cholesterol just like that... i think it's because the cholesterol will be used to fix your gut after you eat the oats

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >look up information about what artery plaque is made out of
    >see this
    I don't know why any sane person would trust "the experts" in current year. Even if they're right about some things they just poison the well with this crap.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just because something is made of something doesn't mean that thing caused it. It's like saying firefighters cause fires to happen. The reason arterial plaques occur was already explained by me above:
      >It's called metabolic dysfunction. In simple terms, it's called being a lazy fat fuck who eats processed foods.
      >human health doesn't revolve around this molecule or that molecule. It revolves around common sense things like not eating invented foods and exercising intensely and frequently. That's it. That's all you need to do.

      There has never been an occurrence in human history where someone was fit, active, eating a diet composed of real food (e.g. things that weren't recently invented like seed oils, anything with an ingredients list, etc.) AND they had heart attacks. It literally just doesn't happen.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do cardio so your hearts pushes out all the cholesterol

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You need cholesterol. Without it you would be dead. The cholesterol you eat makes little difference. There is no good and bad cholesterol. Saturated fat is benign or even beneficial.

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    To my understanding, as an actual scientist who has studied it somewhat but isn't quite my expertise area:

    Atherosclerosis is a function of circulating cholesterol + inflammation. CHRONIC INFLAMMATION IS KEY for the formation of widow makers.

    More cholesterol = more circulating cholesterol (LdL and shit)
    Exercise, plant consumption = circulating cholesterol gets recycled through the body even if it's high (HdL and shit), thus making it less available for atherosclerosis formation

    High saturated fat consumption = your body produces more cholesterol (thus, there's more of it circulating)
    Consumption of animal foods high in cholesterol = minor to moderate increase in circulating cholesterol

    Obesity, sedentarism, goyslop, high processed foods, gluten (for some people), milk casein (for some people) = MORE INFLAMMATION

    For your average, overweight, inflammation-ridden normie: more cholesterol = more plaque formation = diminished life expectancy

    For a person who eats healthy, exercises, has decent muscle mass (which helps tremendously with cholesterol recycling): more cholesterol = probably no effect on life expectancy and atherosclerosis

    Also, more circulating cholesterol = better gains and muscle performance

    So high cholesterol is fine (and beneficial to muscle gains) if you live a healthy lifestyle (which means a lifestyle much better than the average normie), but if you already have a fucked up health, it will kill you faster.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >High saturated fat consumption = your body produces more cholesterol (thus, there's more of it circulating)

      The cholesterol is there to heal your arteries. The real question is why do you have so many holes in your arteries?

      Because carbs are causing glycation in your bloodstream. There’s a reason you only have 5g of glucose in your entire 5 liter bloodstream, that shit is straight poison. And some of these dumb ass bros consumed HUNDREDS of grams of it in one sitting. Couldn’t be me.

      >Because carbs are causing glycation in your bloodstream

      So is it saturated fats or carbs that are worse?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sugar bad
        Saturated fat good

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Atherosclerosis is a function of circulating cholesterol
      No its not. People with genetically high cholesterol have low CVD risk late in life. What actually predicts their mortality is clotting factors and presence of the metabolic syndrome

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      try again, but this time use the word "lipoprotein"

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but if you already have a fucked up health, it will kill you faster.
      You are putting the cart before the horse. If you are a sedentary obese person, your cholesterol levels are going to be fucked up just like your blood glucose levels would be fucked up. The obesity is killing you faster, not your blood sugar levels or your cholesterol levels.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Due to several factors, you can be a fat sedentary blob with moderate cholesterol, or a fat sedentary blob with super high cholesterol. The latter will die faster.

        But two lean, active, low-inflammation individuals, one with low cholesterol and the other with relatively high (it won't be super high unless he has familial hypercholesterolemia), cholesterol won't have an impact on their life expectancy.
        This is what I meant.

        That's why IST people can pretty much disregard their own cholesterol levels, but fat fuck goyslop normies benefit from lower levels independently of any other factors.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The latter will die faster.
          (citation required)

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obesity is not a real health condition. You cannot predict someone's cholesterol status based on their weight. Obesity is a syndrome not a disease.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, then you can call the disease "metabolic syndrome" if you want. Unless you are also saying that's a syndrome. Then you can call the disease "eating poorly and not exercising" lol. The point is, being obese will affect cholesterol levels.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            At best obesity is a syndrome in terms of the symptoms of "obesity" but in reality obesity is diagnosed by BMI not by a persons metabolic status. This is a prime example of why I'm never going to debate anyone on IST again. too many retards + shills like (You)

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't even know what point you're making. Someone who has metabolic dysfunction will also have cholesterol dysfunction. This is a pretty well-established fact. Such a person is almost always overweight or obese. Why you are making weird statements about BMI and the definition of disease, I don't know.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >For your average, overweight, inflammation-ridden normie: more cholesterol = more plaque formation = diminished life expectancy

      You must be a terrible scientist because low cholesterol is linked to a lower life expectancy in dozens of studies of millions of elderly people.

      Gluten and Casein in every person increases inflamation and permeability its only significant when their is a high load of inflammatory microbes in the stomach releasing endotoxins that then get absorbed.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >low cholesterol is linked to a lower life expectancy in dozens of studies of millions of elderly people
        Interesting, do you have any links on hand? I want to peruse them and keep them in my records.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          i'm not your personal librarian. I personally wrote an essay on this subject and I found most of my sources in the references of the great cholesterol con. I tried to look up the website where I found the studies but I can't find it on modern search engines anymore. I will keep looking and reply in like 20 minutes.
          If I can't find it by then I'll get it from my essay

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >low cholesterol is linked to a lower life expectancy in dozens of studies of millions of elderly people
            Interesting, do you have any links on hand? I want to peruse them and keep them in my records.

            see https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=AF14A29CECF4E0E78FABFDF4D76A83BA

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >modern search engines
            Have you tried using the Brave search engine? It works pretty good and it's not gay like DuckDuckGo or Google.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Only one I can ever find non-censored results is on yandex.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(01)05553-2/fulltext
          here is one of the studies I remembered links cholesterol levels in the elderly to their lifespan inversely. Lancent. Mostly asian americans in hawaii.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I appreciate it. I'm going to sleep now but I'll check the thread tomorrow. Thanks librarian anon heh.

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The cholesterol is there to heal your arteries. The real question is why do you have so many holes in your arteries?

    Because carbs are causing glycation in your bloodstream. There’s a reason you only have 5g of glucose in your entire 5 liter bloodstream, that shit is straight poison. And some of these dumb ass bros consumed HUNDREDS of grams of it in one sitting. Couldn’t be me.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There’s a reason you only have 5g of glucose in your entire 5 liter bloodstream, that shit is straight poison
      Yes d00d, we evolved to circulate poison in our veins. That's why we die if it goes too low.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        dont forget if you eat 40g of added sugars (because the body can distinguish a sugar was added in your recipe or not!) that you will suddenly plump up like a balloon and your arteries with clog and you will fall down and die! better consume the artificial sweeteners instead because added sugar is poison! no humans did not eat 2000 calories in one sitting of fruits and carbs are an essential part of the human diet that floods your body you should eat 1200 calories of it (300g) a day but that is fine for your blood sugar levels and worry because these things occur in 6 months rather than right away because you do not notice anything yet

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >because the body can distinguish a sugar was added in your recipe or not!
          The body can certainly tell the difference between table sugar and sugar in a banana lol

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            1200 calories of pasta so healthy goyim think of the olive oil
            delicious and nutritious!
            and down it with a big gulp of sucralose and margaritas! its a party and healthy!

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't even know what this means. I don't eat pasta and I think olive oil is overrated. I also don't drink alcohol and have never consumed sucralose.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            not really, table sugar is worse because fructose is effectively a poison, but the starch in the banana still enters your bloodstream as glucose

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >because fructose is effectively a poison
              Yes, because all those cultures with fruit-heavy diets are dying at age 30, right?
              You absolutist gays are cancer, as bad as the vegans. Neck yourselves.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You absolutist gays are cancer
                Who are you referring to? He said fructose is a poison and not starch. So he's clearly not a militant keto. He also thinks there's no difference between a banana and table sugar, so he's not an ancestral diet person.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You realize all those cultures that eat lots of fruit and sugar are unevolved monkey morons right?

                White people evolved in ice age europe and extremely rarely ate fruit, if at all. We thrived off of the meat and fat of megafauna. We did not evolve to eat sugar.

                The amount of mental gymnastics you retards do to justify your sugar addiction is crazy, you’re basically coomers.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we thrived off of meat and fat of megafauna
                True.
                >white people extremely rarely ate fruit, if at all
                Not true.

                Do you think all white people came from places where fruit doesn't grow? What do you think about grapes lol

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                White means Germanic anon.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                the word sugar is meaningless. Its always about waht comes with. things like flour, table sugar, bread are all brominated and heavily sterilized. its like the difference between a onions bean and basedbean oil. 400 basedbeans = 1 ml of oil sort of. a diet high in carbohydrates isn't a problem unless there is a deficiency in the diet of other nutrients necessary to metabolize sugar and as long as its a slow digesting food. If the sugar is in the table sugar form it will get absorbed rapidly and spike blood sugar too quickly causing insulin resistance adrenal dysfunction and making your life hell

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >White people evolved in ice age europe

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >fructose is effectively a poison
              This is such a silly myth; you can't show any evidence this is true.
              >starch in bananas
              lol my bananas don't have starch. You know you need to eat them when they're yellow/brown, right?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        cysteine is also toxic and it’s also in our bloodstream what is your point

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      We only have 5g of circulating amino acids as well anon

  24. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dont understand all this blood heart LSD sttuff. if i just run 5k every 2-3 days will i be okay ?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you only exercise with a short run every 2–3 days and have a poor diet, you have more to worry about than cholesterol lol.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        ?????????

  25. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >framingham study
    If you are saying my data and claims are fraudulent, please provide data of CVD risk for people with varying LDL levels, controlled by HDL levels.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      1. The framingham is not your data retard. you never even mentioned it or its results you simply stated that it somehow proves cholesterol is bad it never did.
      2. The framingham study has been reanalyzed multiple times and actually shows no correlation in CVD and LDL or HDL levels. other than a slight positive correlation of low levels and athero...
      3. The burden of proof isn't on me to provide legitimate data my only claim is that your data has been proven to be manipulated trash.
      4. All evidence points to the framingham study being false mechanically and statistically you just need to use google and stop pretending this is a debate where you score points by withholding data.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I provided evidence and made a claim. If you want to call me wrong and the data I'm using faulty, you need to make a counter-claim and provide counter-evidence. This is exactly how the burden of proof works. Or you can keep being annoying and saying "nuh-uh!" and one of us will eventually stop responding.

        >no correlation in CVD and LDL or HDL levels
        The specific claim here is CVD risk being predicted by LDL levels controlled by HDL levels. I don't think you understand what's actually going on.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2151937/
        >The Framingham Heart Study, on its way to becoming the gold standard for Cardiovascular Genetic Epidemiology?

        First result I found on Google. I don't even care what it actually says, because I'm lazy, so I only read the title. But based on the title, the answer is probably "yes." I'd be pleasantly surprised if I was wrong—you can check for me. If I'm not wrong, you can find another article and link it here.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          1. your evidence is garbage because its result cannot be replicated and you fail to give an audience to the array of analyses that claim the results do not support your claim of cholesterol -> CVD
          2. the framingham study is a monetized study and used for risk calculations which make billions of dollars. making it a significant conflict of intrest for the medical community.
          3. the framingham study has been reported as evidence that cholesterol causes heart disease via atherosclerosis. This claim has been proven false many many many times.

          4. Searching google in 2022 is irrelevant and every subject is now heavily censored. less than a year ago it might have given you a good rabbit hole but now its impossible to discover anything other than mainstream disinfo.

          sources
          https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220314120702.htm

          Also I'm not going to wade through an entire quagmire of garbage to find heavily censored studies on preventing the manmade disease that is CVD and atherosclerosis. I do not care about persuading you.

  26. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doctors get paid to keep men feminized and weak. Always do the opposite of these worthless parasites.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      not even this. you should never even see a doctor unless you want to sell drugs or you need a prescription. Otherwise you should ignore all of their advice and treat them like the fraudsters and greedy murderers that they are.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Always do the opposite of what doctors say.

  27. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    just exercise, do cardio

  28. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >ARTERY CLOGGING IS NOT REAL

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who is this person?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Orson welles

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      widening arteries doesn't prevent heart attacks or stroke. Experiments using stents and other microscopic metal instruments did nothing to lower risk of CVD or stroke. the idea of artery clogging is that the artery narrows preventing bloodflow and causing a heart attack. now fuck off and die retard.

  29. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    A high sat fat diet leading to elevated serum cholesterol is literally the most reproducible finding in medicine. This board is funny.

    T. Exercise physiologist

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >A high sat fat diet leading to elevated serum cholesterol
      I don't think most are disputing this. The problem is whether or not that directly leads to CVD.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        It directly leading to CVD is also highly reproducible. This isnt something thats even up for debate in cardiology

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, so there's lots of info in this thread and I don't know what to believe. So the most important question of all is: if I'm not even close to being a fatty, and have a good diet with lots of lifting and moderate to high intensity cardio, can I eat 4-6 eggs a day or not?
          I read lots of comments about how the long-assumed direct link between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol has been debunked. Is this bullshit or not?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            From what I can tell you should limit dietary cholesterol if you have preexisting high cholesterol, because dietary cholesterol can worsen it. But if you don't then the impact will be minimal.

            Just maintain a healthy weight, get regular exercise, and have your blood checked out at your annual checkup.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            eat as many eggs as you want dietary cholesterol makes little to no difference on serum cholesterol even the USDA acknowledged the lack of evidence for such a link in 2015 right before they go on to recommend a diet low in cholesterol and saturated fat for which there is also no good evidence

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lots of info in this thread
            All the actual evidence posted in this thread (i.e. scientific evidence and not unsubstantiated claims) is pointing towards cholesterol being good for you lol.
            >can I eat 4–6 of nature's multivitamin which is highly coveted by every single carnivorous animal species and which provides the entire nutrition for a zygote to grow into a full baby chick every day?
            Yes.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It directly leading to CVD is also highly reproducible
          It literally isn't lol. LDL levels aren't even used in the risk calculators for CVD because the correlation is so weak
          Smoking, Type 2 diabetes, lupus, sickle cell disease, hypertension, basically any disease or lifestyle factor that increases arterial endothelial inflammation, are all magnitudes stronger in terms of predicting CVD risk.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok. Please provide 1 interventional study of a high saturated fat diet leading to elevated serum cholesterol leading to CVD.

          You won't be able to, you little gay. Because it doesn't exist.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28620111/

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >The included long-term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 17% (risk ratio (RR) 0.83
              LMAO
              A relative risk change of 0.83 for CVD from lowering saturated fat is literally meaningless.
              For comparison, the relative risk increase for lung cancer for smokers is typically 20-25.
              The relative risk of CVD for people with type 2 diabetes is 4.5-9.

              The obsession with dietary fat and serum cholesterol would be funny if it wasn't costing so many lives.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2016/12/19/saturated-fat-regardless-of-type-found-linked-with-increased-heart-disease-risk/

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >harvard

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          A high sat fat diet leading to elevated serum cholesterol is literally the most reproducible finding in medicine. This board is funny.

          T. Exercise physiologist

          do your own research and dont listen to the samefags larping as doctors in these threads.

          >harvard

          ~~*Harvard*~~

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >T. Exercise physiologist

  30. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was overweight my entire life and regularly had bad cholesterol numbers on my blood work, it also runs in my family. Last year, at age 32, I developed xanthelasma (yellow spots around eyes, a warning sign of cholesterol related heart disease) and my doctor said he wanted to put me on statins. Since then I've switched to a low fat low cholesterol diet, started exercising regularly, and lost 50 pounds (165 now, was 215 at 5'7"). My cholesterol has drastically improved, and my doctor has told me to go to taking my statin 4x a week instead of daily. I hope to lose another 25 pounds and get off the meds entirely.

    From the research I've done it seems that some people have a higher risk due to genetics, but getting to a healthy weight and exercising regularly seem to be the best methods of controlling it. Additionally, people who are at risk for high cholesterol should limit dietary fats, particularly saturated fat, and dietary cholesterol. That doesn't seem to be as important for people not at risk though.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're 165lbs at 5'7" and want to lose another 25lbs?

  31. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bad cholesterol=Animal cholesterol....your body doesn't know how to deal with it because we are meant to be vegetarian

  32. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR STUDIES FOR THE moron CATTLE, I WILL EAT WHAT MY ANCESTORS ATE, SIMPLE AS

  33. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    cholesterol good if you arent eating pufa

  34. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly most of the shit doctors say to avoid and limit will probably not hurt you because most of the time you need a metric shitload of it and do fuck all exercise for it to really hurt you

  35. 3 months ago
    sage

    >My intuition says fatty meats are good for you,

    lol

  36. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bad genes
      fitness probably prevented him from dying earlier

  37. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    do the opposite of what "they" say

  38. 3 months ago
    Brian Mulroney

    Dirty bulked this last year. Put on 30lbs, some noticeable muscle, but mostly fat. Waist size grew by 4". I'm now 5'8" 200lbs.

    Got my bloodwork done. I have high cholesterol. No pre diabetes.

    Family is freaking out.

    What do I do? Just CICO my way back down to a healthy weight? Serious cardio?

    I've started taking psyllium husk fiber religiously.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      do a water fast king

  39. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    So is there anything you can do to unclog arteries or are you basically fucked ?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, one of HDL's functions is to suck up the cholesterol lodged into the foam cells (macrophages, part of your immune system) that form arterial plaques, reducing their size and inflammation. However I don't think we have any way of completely getting rid of atherosclerosis, since it's a form of scarring

  40. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh fuck, just learned you can't unblock your arteries. I've spent the last 8 years at ~34% bf and completely sedentary, I'm 34yo. It's over.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even 34 is pretty young in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to lifestyle diseases especially. Most fat fuck hamplanets don't end up having an increased risk of thrombotic events until much later in life, like 60+.

      Would it have been overall better to have always been healthy and never been a fat fuck? Well yeah, sure. But it's not "over" by any stretch of the imagination, so long as you take whatever measures you need to take, and take them now. It's just like with smoking. Yeah, people that have smoked a fuckton for years and years are never going to have lungs as good as someone who never smoked. But they can sure as shit prevent it from getting worse, and they'll still be able to regain lost ground if they quit.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks anon, you are right; not an excuse for staying a fat fuck.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good on you. You still have plenty of time to turn things around, but you can't dawdle.
          ...unless you got the "vaccine" in which case RIP in pieces.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Oh fuck, just learned you can't unblock your arteries.
      >doubt.jpeg
      I find that ahrd to believe, especially if you do something like extended fasts. If your body needs cholesterol to function and you're not consuming any, why would it not scavenge the shit that's laying around uselessly?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sadly, I got 2 shots of AstraZeneca on 2020, before I smelled something fishy. Still not an excuse to not try.

  41. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Had a Dr friend who told me that your arteries don't get blocked like clogged up like a drain, they get hardened and enlarged (among other things) which cause the issues. Like your artery walls get swollen and that's what constrains bloodflow, - not little bits of fatty placqes in your bloodsteam building up like a beaver dam.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What happens is inflammation leads to scarring on the inside of your arteries, and then immune cells and LDL (lipoproteins) end up latching on. But yes, it's not like a greasy clogged pipe. The inflammation and all the stuff ends up going UNDER the inside surface of the artery. So it ends up being the artery itself that gets narrower rather than something "clogging" the pipe.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What happens is inflammation leads to scarring on the inside of your arteries, and then immune cells and LDL (lipoproteins) end up latching on. But yes, it's not like a greasy clogged pipe. The inflammation and all the stuff ends up going UNDER the inside surface of the artery. So it ends up being the artery itself that gets narrower rather than something "clogging" the pipe.

      Can cardio fix it, provided they have not grown too hard?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can't fix preexisting scarring, but reducing inflammation in your arteries will prevent further scarring, further build-up of the plaques, and reduce the size of the plaques. But no, it'll never be back to 100% normal, just as a deep cut on your arm will leave a permanent scar

        But don't interpret that as meaning "shit's fucked, I'm gonna have a heart attack no matter what I do". Healthy diet/exercise/etc will absolutely improve things and reduce your risk of having a cardiovascular event.

  42. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >intuition
    Weird way to spell "tongue"

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