Its called the “natty” limit because it’s reached natty. You’re gonna deflate when you stop using roids no matter when you stop. It’s not a question of how big you get with steroids, it’s using them for n the first place.
>Its called the “natty” limit because it’s reached natty. You’re gonna deflate when you stop using roids no matter when you stop. It’s not a question of how big you get with steroids, it’s using them for n the first place.
Nah you're full of shit. You can literally do what he says. Roids have permanent effects. Yes you'll lose SOME volume, but not all of it, not even close to most of it.
t. Friends with former users
Yes, you’ll deflate in the areas like shoulders where the build is a result of androgen receptors but everything you can work to maintain, you can easily keep the limit. There is no difference between natty gains and roid gains as far as the usable muscle goes. If you work it, you keep it.
The guy in the pic has dementia in his 30s. Blocking estrogen leads to the brain damage. Otherwise you will have butch tits and more estrogen than a pregnant woman due to the test fermentation into estrogen
>"bro u still need to lift heavy and follow a diet"
Tell that to the 16-17 year old zoomers on the broest brosplit with shit form eating at McDonalds who make more gains in less than a year than a natty with the perfect routine, perfect form and perfect diet in 5 years.
The only good thing is that going from twink dyel that can't bench 1pl to roided zoomer that can bench 3pl in a year means your tendons and connective tissue are still dyel twink tier, and will snap when combined with yolo sarm zoomer routines.
>muh nonexistant strawman
The zoomer on roids is weighing out his chicken breast and tracking macros. You were the loser natty who could never get his diet together and is just projecting hard
I’m pro roids, but only if people establish a natty base first. I think the young retards hoping on high stacks without a base is what’s caused so many stereotypes about injuries lately.
>muh natty base >pro bodybuilders roid as soon as they start at the gym (ARNOLD COUGH)
Nutrition and good training protocols are a must, but fuck training natty over 2 years honestly tbh, I did 5, all I got was more strength. Muscle Size just didn't increase no matter the amount of volume.
>No he didn't
You know nothing about pro bodybuilders, they all lie. I love Zane's physique, but I wouldn't trust a word coming out of the mofos mouth.
https://i.imgur.com/X1Ih1BG.jpg
There is nothing wrong with turning in your natty card. The problem comes from when you claim natty while juicing. No one of any worth actually gives a fuck if you juice to the gills and admit it. No one likes the person who juices and claims natty and that goes doubly so for people who profit off of the claim. People medicate all the time and no one screeches about that not being their natural mental health.
There are numerous short and long term side effects for both physical and mental health though; that could be in the 'wrong' category.
>Making money off of retards
That's based tho, nobody wants to hear >Train really hard >Eat till you puke, then some more >Sleep >Take gear >Do this for years
99% don't want to do that. They want a magic pill, guide they'll use or follow for a couple weeks. Then give up and forget about fitness.
>dude just say you take roids
lmao, what if you don't? You get best of both worlds and pisses off retards like you.
>muh nonexistant strawman
The zoomer on roids is weighing out his chicken breast and tracking macros. You were the loser natty who could never get his diet together and is just projecting hard
I'd argue that roids is significantly more acceptable due to the fact that is still requires lifting and eating to maxmise the benefits >inb4 the study showing roiders wothout training gained more lean mass than nattys lifting
No shit, i said MAXIMISE the benefit. Implants require no effort on the part of the recipient. You don't get chris hemsworth gains through dbol and playing fifa
this, you gays won't look like anywhere near what Chris Hemsworth looks like Physique wise if you took roids. Natties keep copin
I'd argue that roids is significantly more acceptable due to the fact that is still requires lifting and eating to maxmise the benefits >inb4 the study showing roiders wothout training gained more lean mass than nattys lifting
No shit, i said MAXIMISE the benefit. Implants require no effort on the part of the recipient. You don't get chris hemsworth gains through dbol and playing fifa
you could literally hop on roids and not work out and still look better than the average natty, what are you talking about? it's as braindead as someone doing plastic surgery.
Superdrol, dbol and tren are magic. The first two, disappears as soon as you drop it. Tren, you keep the gains but go through 3 months of the worst sleep of your life while looking amazing and eating a lot.
they are if you're a hyper-responder. one guy can get fucked by gyno and acne and only gain 10lbs while the other doesn't even need an AI on 500mg of test and gains like 25lbs on his first cycle
I hate roids for many reasons. I won't go into them. I don't roid because: >1. Roiding with even a tiny bit of responsibility is REALLY expensive.
You have to spend extra cash on drugs to avoid hairloss, testicular atrophy, gynoecomastia etc. + have a good doctor monitoring things >2. Even with that covered you are still doing something detrimental to your skin, ligaments, bones, mental health, heart, endocrine system, brain, prostate, testicle, penis etc.
It WILL have effects on all of that. You may not notice it soon, but it already has effects on it. >3. Achieving something through hard work and relying solely on my own human potential is far more gratifying
It's about honor and honesty with yourself and others.
Read my post again. Yes, you can afford a random cycle some redditor anonymously recommended you with a low budget. Things get expensive when instead of doing such a irresponsible thing as injecting something you know nothing about into a body you don't understand anything about either based on the advice someone who knows even less than you about your organism, you go for a qualified health care professional to let them know of your intentions and get quality advice based on how your body works. It's not even just any doctor out there, because most will know nothing about any of this too. Hormone balance is hard to understand and even harder to mess with using exogenous substances. Even if you made the stupid choice of not getting an actual professional into something that may fuck you completely for years or even kill you, you probably don't want your testicles to shrink, your tits to grow, your hair to fall etc. and that will be more drugs for you to afford. >b-but I can just try out some recipe made by some redditor and get lucky
Feel free to gamble your body based on this. I am sane and won't - which is what my post it about, since these are not even the reasons I hate roids.
>>1. Roiding with even a tiny bit of responsibility is REALLY expensive.
I just priced out the following: >running 500mg/wk of test enanthate for 12 weeks >plus HCG so you don't deal with testicular atrophy (more than necessary) >plus aromatizing inhibitors to prevent gynecomastia (more than necessary) >plus PCT medication (more than necessary, enough for two cycles) >all shipped domestically within the States >from a reliable source >with everything being pharma-grade
And all that will cost you ~$680. I can't tell you how much the three bloodwork check-ups you should get would cost, that's between you and your insurance, but not a whole lot more. Let's overestimate and call it $900 all in, including shipping. Is $900 cheap? No. Should you be able to save up $900 over the course of three-ish months? I don't know, $900 is just over three quarters of my monthly expendable budget, but three months sounds like a reasonable timeframe. Is $900 a "REALLY" large amount of money? Objectively no, not at all. Especially not for something that will verifiably improve your physique to the extent steroids will, disclaimers about diet and bf% aside.
>$900 for a pharma-grade cycle+shipping+three American healthcare visits
Wow look an illiterate who can't understand whether a post is arguing for or against roids also can't understand overestimating unknowns. Color me surprised.
The fact you’re including shipping like it’s going to be some major expense tells me you’re a moron. Bloodwork costs shit if you have insurance. Pharma grade test is worthless when you can get tested same grade through tons of labs. Keep coping
>ooh if you have insurance and use UGLs it'll be substantially cheaper! >that's a great argument to convince someone who's worried about the additional costs that come with not coming corners! >way better than showing that an overestimated, conservative cycle is still affordable!
Retard.
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Anonymous
>if you use these reasonably obtainable things X will be cheaper >THAYS RETARDED YOURE A FUCKING RETARD IM TRYING TO BE REALISTIC AND CONSERVATIVE USING INSURANCE AND A RELIABLE SOURCE IS CUTTING CORNERS!!!!!!!!
moron.
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>argument is: x is expensive unless you cut corners >your argument: x is cheap, you can safely cut this corner >better argument: x is cheap even if you don't cut corners
Yes, most UGLs are as good as pharmaceutical test. No, this is not a good point to bring up with someone who is convinced you cannot do steroids affordably unless you're willing to inject mystery juice.
if your buying domestic us thats your problem I gauruee you could get all this legit pharma grade from inda or thailand for under 250$ if you buy raws for test the test is basically free
thats what im trying to know dude, i see blatant roiders left and fucking right and i go to a planet shitness because of convenience and poor
Absolutely easiest, safest and cheapest is to go to a pharmacy in Mexico and just ask for it if you live anywhere near. If you don’t, vacation once every few years to Cabo, TJ or Cancun and fuck a few hookers and buy a few years worth of test.
If that isn’t an option, you can buy in the states but you’ll pay more for shit which usually isn’t as good. You can meet people from FB body building or SARMs groups or really big guys at the gym.. This route is sketchy. Gym dudes really have to trust you and FB people are likely to be scammers.
Nobody will give you an actual source here, just how to find one. It’s a bannable offense.
Do you fucking retards really not know how to fucking google? It takes 5 minutes of searching to find websites that link you to sources. Either you’re a pussy that’s too scared to pin and using retardedness as a cope, or you’re a complete and utter dumbass. Jesus just go read through a couple fraud threads and you’ll find someone talking about the forums used to find sources. Lazy fuckers.
>Slowly losing hair >If I take Test and Creatine I will be bald nearly instantly
Guess I'm doomed to be DYEL. I'd rather be a dyel with hair than a bald shredded guy
>What's wrong with roiding?
Looking down on those who choose not to. Juice yourself into oblivion for all I care, but don't bust my balls for remaining natural.
lmao, it's literally the otherway around. Look at comments section for influencers on insta, anime profile fags seething over an influencers natty status.
I personally don't care what people put into their own bodies. It's really the only thing that is truly yours. Who am I to judge what someone does with their flesh? I just think I deserve the same respect for not doing something. Sure being natural is going to be a slower road and has its limits compared to those who use PEDs, but that shouldn't diminish the efforts and hard work that I put in because I'm smaller. I knew the limitations before I even started, I don't need to be reminded of it.
Bro, you either have or "have not". IRL is not this mongolian basket weaving forum, you either have a jacked body, or you do not. You will get the respect/attention for having it, no matter what you did to get it.
There is nothing wrong with turning in your natty card. The problem comes from when you claim natty while juicing. No one of any worth actually gives a fuck if you juice to the gills and admit it. No one likes the person who juices and claims natty and that goes doubly so for people who profit off of the claim. People medicate all the time and no one screeches about that not being their natural mental health.
There are numerous short and long term side effects for both physical and mental health though; that could be in the 'wrong' category.
Trading your health for vanity. You literally take dangerous chemicals just to LOOK good. It's not even the kind of stuff runners and powerlifters take that make then superhuman.
Retarded af. Also there is a lot of roiders who look dyel(randy).
If you are not a professional athlete and you roid you are retarded.
Imagine being so insecure you have to inject drugs to try to impress other people lmao. Genetic garbage. I'm over 6 foot tall, have wide shoudlers and a head full of hair. It pleases me to see manlets and inferior men coping by ruining their long term health.
If you lift then you roid. Otherwise dont bother it wont amount to nothing. Go ahead natty boy show me your progress in 3 years from now, ill look forward to the laugh
>Posts some 5 4 manlet from 100 years ago
Kinda reminds me of when you read about the average dude weight 120 pounds during the civil war. Move along now gay.
It’s not good for you. Even something as minor as testosterone can really fuck you up if you don’t know what you’re doing.
t. Have 3 vials of test and plan to start pinning in May
Because this isn’t the place where you fags can promote your normality. No one fucking cares about your self improvement here, we just want to get big. /sig/ and zoomers ruined this place
huh, you're talking about a board whose mascot was zyzz in the halcyon days. who's like the posterboy for the juice lifestyle. this hating on steroids is a very recent thing and only due to 4chins innate contrarian stance. roids are pretty mainstream now, so it's normal for this board to hate on it
>But he died of muh roids
He was doing fuckloads of recreational drugs, like a lot of bodybuilders as well.
But yea, I think it's jealously, tho I thought the same way when I was natty too. Alot of movie stars are on gear so because of social media girls expect more muscle. Hell even my 14 year old niece thinks all of the guys her age look like shit cus of social media.
Gotta be honest, I don't fraud due to health issues, however, I don't look down on those who do so long as they're transparent about it. If you PED and lie about it then you can fuck yourself.
>I'ma tell everybody I'm on roids
Lmao, I forget I'm on a Mongolian basket weaving board filled with autists.
Your obsession with transparency is hilarious, because everything IRL doesn't work like that. I don't even have to lie, I just don't even mention it lmao.
That's not what I said dickchin. I said don't LIE about it, if no one asks then it's not lying. The moment someone asks though and you lie to them, you're shit.
depends where you are. in the US were it's pretty much legal, yeah lieing to your bros is dumb. but in some European contries where the cops actually crash into gyms to test randos and you can get booked just for looking too swole ( like Sweden), I'd lie my ass off too
no, it happens pretty reguarly in fact. in Belgium they also crash into random gyms to test random meatheads who look like they're on the juice. steroids are almost seen like heroin in some parts of western europe
And why gay? You really don't understand how often normies lie to one another, especially girls lol.
You don't like it because what's considered attractive for men is a more steroid look. That standard is fine by me kek.
Unless you’re a fucking freak, no one IRL is going to ask you if your on roids outside some gym bro lmao. Normies think hollywood actors are natty for christ sake
Depends on how quickly you get gains. I do like it tho, you have to be 250 lb lean and maybe girls won't like it. But the bigger and leaner I've gotten the better it gets. Ymmv
Unless you’re a fucking freak, no one IRL is going to ask you if your on roids outside some gym bro lmao. Normies think hollywood actors are natty for christ sake
Everyone around me takes roids and my contrarian nature forces me to be natty. One of my friends got so much back acne and neck acne he stopped working out all together. After seeing that, it scared me off it.
most spec ops are on the juice. I hear it's encouraged even, among certain branches of le too. not tren I guess, but things that keeps them strong, functional and agressive
You can do a shit load of cardio on tren if you balance it with Cardarine. A drug even natties should take imo, it has no downsides and amazing benefits.
wouldn't tren fuck with your mind a little too much to be really viable in those circumstances ? my bet is they're on regular ass test combined with DHT derived aas as to increase strength, agression and drive, without the 19nor weirdness. also shit that increases cardio of course
All the roiders I know irl are swollen meat-head caricatures with anger management issues. Only one actually has a decent body, and even he refuses to take his hat off. I'm not dying young for that shit.
>balls stop working >Penis shrink >Manlet roid rage >Acne in your back and face >Permanently destroys your natural T production >when you get off you loses all your muscles and increase estrogen >Destroys your heart
There's nothing really "wrong" with it, more so that there are a number of negative health contraindications that're truly worrisome, and I'd be pressed to ask why you're contemplating using steroids in the first place if you're not a competitive athlete at either the professional or Olympic level.
I want to start a business that requires me to look good year round
I want to blast t3 so I can eat more, so roids would help
I dont care about my health (I say that as a pussy not pinning yet lmao)
why not hop on at 20? really, tell me, I already have a cycle planned out and where to get. I was even thinking of bulk buying and homebrewing like this guy
>Test prop powder costs me 100 bucks
Lasts me a decade on 500mg a week. That's for 100 bucks, get fucked natty. >Muh go bad
Vacuum sealed baby
I just wanna look good NOW, I don't even notice anything in my body changing at the moment, in fact my life is getting WORSE
>inb4 zoomie needs gratification
I don't even look in the mirror and after my cut I'm not gonna check my weight again cause I'll either A. Starve myself, or B. Kill myself, so I don't know what I look like
also allegedly you feel really really good on it. then wanna kys off it, but if I'm blasting I'm committing to a TRT dose anyways incase my test never recovers no?
There's nothing wrong with roids. I run a very successful instagram page and protein supplement company with their help. The issue is, most people don't want to admit or learn how to use steroids. I've been taking them since I was 18 (33 now) and it's the only reason my business took of. I will always claim natty, but to get to the top of your game you need PEDs. The meal plans I sell from /frauding/ paid for my house lol.
Why anyone would remain natural in today's day and age is beyond me. We've advanced so far, there's no reason not be to on gear.
>I've been taking them since I was 18 (33 now) >there's no reason not be to on gear.
Are there any unhealthy side effects from using PEDs for this amount of time?
meh, its just for manchildren. Every roider ive ever met has been a child mentally and emotionally. I dont want to associate myself with tat. Besides, my father and grandfather valued hard work and integrity. I know being natty would make them proud
Mostly that you deflate once you inevitably get off the juice after all the complications.
What if you boost yourself into natty limit and quit? Now you saved yourself time and just stay at the natty limit.
Its called the “natty” limit because it’s reached natty. You’re gonna deflate when you stop using roids no matter when you stop. It’s not a question of how big you get with steroids, it’s using them for n the first place.
what do u morons not understand, roiders that deflate still look better then what their natural peak ever wouldve been. u still keep alot of the gains
Haha, cope shrinklet. Enjoy your balls deflating as well.
>Its called the “natty” limit because it’s reached natty. You’re gonna deflate when you stop using roids no matter when you stop. It’s not a question of how big you get with steroids, it’s using them for n the first place.
Nah you're full of shit. You can literally do what he says. Roids have permanent effects. Yes you'll lose SOME volume, but not all of it, not even close to most of it.
t. Friends with former users
Yes, you’ll deflate in the areas like shoulders where the build is a result of androgen receptors but everything you can work to maintain, you can easily keep the limit. There is no difference between natty gains and roid gains as far as the usable muscle goes. If you work it, you keep it.
There is nobody who took roids who got past the "natty limit" who deflated to the natty limit. They all either became fat blobs or skellys
not exactly the best example, dude is a legit schizophrenic who eats his own shit
>this schizophrenic going fruitarian after being on gear is a prefect example of that
Do you ever get tired of being a gay?
right looks like the "ottermode" this gay ass board drools over 24/7
Nothings wrong with it, being a fake natty makes you a gay.
The guy in the pic has dementia in his 30s. Blocking estrogen leads to the brain damage. Otherwise you will have butch tits and more estrogen than a pregnant woman due to the test fermentation into estrogen
Also, roids substitute hard work.
>"bro u still need to lift heavy and follow a diet"
Tell that to the 16-17 year old zoomers on the broest brosplit with shit form eating at McDonalds who make more gains in less than a year than a natty with the perfect routine, perfect form and perfect diet in 5 years.
can't beat them, join them
I'd rather keep my gains, hair and dick functioning.
The only good thing is that going from twink dyel that can't bench 1pl to roided zoomer that can bench 3pl in a year means your tendons and connective tissue are still dyel twink tier, and will snap when combined with yolo sarm zoomer routines.
Not sustainable and your balls stop working
awwwww you worked so hard and le zoomers are roiding getting your hard """""""""""""work""""""""""" in 2 weeks!!!!!! SAD!
>muh nonexistant strawman
The zoomer on roids is weighing out his chicken breast and tracking macros. You were the loser natty who could never get his diet together and is just projecting hard
I’m pro roids, but only if people establish a natty base first. I think the young retards hoping on high stacks without a base is what’s caused so many stereotypes about injuries lately.
>muh natty base
>pro bodybuilders roid as soon as they start at the gym (ARNOLD COUGH)
Nutrition and good training protocols are a must, but fuck training natty over 2 years honestly tbh, I did 5, all I got was more strength. Muscle Size just didn't increase no matter the amount of volume.
No he didn’t retard. He was lifting in his teens. Probably started roids at 18/19
>No he didn't
You know nothing about pro bodybuilders, they all lie. I love Zane's physique, but I wouldn't trust a word coming out of the mofos mouth.
>Making money off of retards
That's based tho, nobody wants to hear
>Train really hard
>Eat till you puke, then some more
>Sleep
>Take gear
>Do this for years
99% don't want to do that. They want a magic pill, guide they'll use or follow for a couple weeks. Then give up and forget about fitness.
"don't work harder, work smarter"
i.e. do gear
maybe some poppers too
>more gains than a natty
Yeah more atherosclerosis gains, good for them.
Not much if you're honest about it. I'll still have more respect for the natty lifter than the roider though, regardless of stats.
>dude just say you take roids
lmao, what if you don't? You get best of both worlds and pisses off retards like you.
this, you gays won't look like anywhere near what Chris Hemsworth looks like Physique wise if you took roids. Natties keep copin
shutting off natural test production, infertility
same thing that is wrong with a guy wearing make up
Enjoy your dick shrinking chud.
Same thing that’s wrong with ass implants fake tits and plastic surgery in general.
I'd argue that roids is significantly more acceptable due to the fact that is still requires lifting and eating to maxmise the benefits
>inb4 the study showing roiders wothout training gained more lean mass than nattys lifting
No shit, i said MAXIMISE the benefit. Implants require no effort on the part of the recipient. You don't get chris hemsworth gains through dbol and playing fifa
you could literally hop on roids and not work out and still look better than the average natty, what are you talking about? it's as braindead as someone doing plastic surgery.
>didnt read the post
Its insane that natties still think steroids are magic lol.
Superdrol, dbol and tren are magic. The first two, disappears as soon as you drop it. Tren, you keep the gains but go through 3 months of the worst sleep of your life while looking amazing and eating a lot.
they are if you're a hyper-responder. one guy can get fucked by gyno and acne and only gain 10lbs while the other doesn't even need an AI on 500mg of test and gains like 25lbs on his first cycle
It do be like that. Some people bald too, sucks to be them kek
>25 lbs
Alot of water in that 25lbs bro, not that your natty ass would know.
you get Alzheimer's
This is a totally organic thread and definitely NOT a raid by some crusading crabs-in-a-bucket discordtrannies. 🙂
Nothing wrong with it, who gives a fuck I don’t understand why so many people seethe over what another man does with his body
I hate roids for many reasons. I won't go into them. I don't roid because:
>1. Roiding with even a tiny bit of responsibility is REALLY expensive.
You have to spend extra cash on drugs to avoid hairloss, testicular atrophy, gynoecomastia etc. + have a good doctor monitoring things
>2. Even with that covered you are still doing something detrimental to your skin, ligaments, bones, mental health, heart, endocrine system, brain, prostate, testicle, penis etc.
It WILL have effects on all of that. You may not notice it soon, but it already has effects on it.
>3. Achieving something through hard work and relying solely on my own human potential is far more gratifying
It's about honor and honesty with yourself and others.
>cycles are expensive
where did this meme come from? are you confusing buying medical grade HGH or something?
Read my post again. Yes, you can afford a random cycle some redditor anonymously recommended you with a low budget. Things get expensive when instead of doing such a irresponsible thing as injecting something you know nothing about into a body you don't understand anything about either based on the advice someone who knows even less than you about your organism, you go for a qualified health care professional to let them know of your intentions and get quality advice based on how your body works. It's not even just any doctor out there, because most will know nothing about any of this too. Hormone balance is hard to understand and even harder to mess with using exogenous substances. Even if you made the stupid choice of not getting an actual professional into something that may fuck you completely for years or even kill you, you probably don't want your testicles to shrink, your tits to grow, your hair to fall etc. and that will be more drugs for you to afford.
>b-but I can just try out some recipe made by some redditor and get lucky
Feel free to gamble your body based on this. I am sane and won't - which is what my post it about, since these are not even the reasons I hate roids.
>>1. Roiding with even a tiny bit of responsibility is REALLY expensive.
I just priced out the following:
>running 500mg/wk of test enanthate for 12 weeks
>plus HCG so you don't deal with testicular atrophy (more than necessary)
>plus aromatizing inhibitors to prevent gynecomastia (more than necessary)
>plus PCT medication (more than necessary, enough for two cycles)
>all shipped domestically within the States
>from a reliable source
>with everything being pharma-grade
And all that will cost you ~$680. I can't tell you how much the three bloodwork check-ups you should get would cost, that's between you and your insurance, but not a whole lot more. Let's overestimate and call it $900 all in, including shipping. Is $900 cheap? No. Should you be able to save up $900 over the course of three-ish months? I don't know, $900 is just over three quarters of my monthly expendable budget, but three months sounds like a reasonable timeframe. Is $900 a "REALLY" large amount of money? Objectively no, not at all. Especially not for something that will verifiably improve your physique to the extent steroids will, disclaimers about diet and bf% aside.
>$900 for a cycle
wow look a retard that has no idea what he’s talking about is anti-steroids. Color me surprised
>$900 for a pharma-grade cycle+shipping+three American healthcare visits
Wow look an illiterate who can't understand whether a post is arguing for or against roids also can't understand overestimating unknowns. Color me surprised.
The fact you’re including shipping like it’s going to be some major expense tells me you’re a moron. Bloodwork costs shit if you have insurance. Pharma grade test is worthless when you can get tested same grade through tons of labs. Keep coping
>ooh if you have insurance and use UGLs it'll be substantially cheaper!
>that's a great argument to convince someone who's worried about the additional costs that come with not coming corners!
>way better than showing that an overestimated, conservative cycle is still affordable!
Retard.
>if you use these reasonably obtainable things X will be cheaper
>THAYS RETARDED YOURE A FUCKING RETARD IM TRYING TO BE REALISTIC AND CONSERVATIVE USING INSURANCE AND A RELIABLE SOURCE IS CUTTING CORNERS!!!!!!!!
moron.
>argument is: x is expensive unless you cut corners
>your argument: x is cheap, you can safely cut this corner
>better argument: x is cheap even if you don't cut corners
Yes, most UGLs are as good as pharmaceutical test. No, this is not a good point to bring up with someone who is convinced you cannot do steroids affordably unless you're willing to inject mystery juice.
if your buying domestic us thats your problem I gauruee you could get all this legit pharma grade from inda or thailand for under 250$ if you buy raws for test the test is basically free
>I'll just take drugs on top of drugs on top of drugs to prevent side effects of the side effects of the side effects
Literal mental illness.
Retard. A tub of protein powder is as expensive as 3 months on testosterone but test is literally 10x as effective as the goy powder.
Where do I get test
thats what im trying to know dude, i see blatant roiders left and fucking right and i go to a planet shitness because of convenience and poor
Absolutely easiest, safest and cheapest is to go to a pharmacy in Mexico and just ask for it if you live anywhere near. If you don’t, vacation once every few years to Cabo, TJ or Cancun and fuck a few hookers and buy a few years worth of test.
If that isn’t an option, you can buy in the states but you’ll pay more for shit which usually isn’t as good. You can meet people from FB body building or SARMs groups or really big guys at the gym.. This route is sketchy. Gym dudes really have to trust you and FB people are likely to be scammers.
Nobody will give you an actual source here, just how to find one. It’s a bannable offense.
Do you fucking retards really not know how to fucking google? It takes 5 minutes of searching to find websites that link you to sources. Either you’re a pussy that’s too scared to pin and using retardedness as a cope, or you’re a complete and utter dumbass. Jesus just go read through a couple fraud threads and you’ll find someone talking about the forums used to find sources. Lazy fuckers.
>Slowly losing hair
>If I take Test and Creatine I will be bald nearly instantly
Guess I'm doomed to be DYEL. I'd rather be a dyel with hair than a bald shredded guy
whats wrong with taking estrogen and chopping your cock off?
that you will never be a woman
It makes you gay
>What's wrong with roiding?
Looking down on those who choose not to. Juice yourself into oblivion for all I care, but don't bust my balls for remaining natural.
lmao, it's literally the otherway around. Look at comments section for influencers on insta, anime profile fags seething over an influencers natty status.
I personally don't care what people put into their own bodies. It's really the only thing that is truly yours. Who am I to judge what someone does with their flesh? I just think I deserve the same respect for not doing something. Sure being natural is going to be a slower road and has its limits compared to those who use PEDs, but that shouldn't diminish the efforts and hard work that I put in because I'm smaller. I knew the limitations before I even started, I don't need to be reminded of it.
Bro, you either have or "have not". IRL is not this mongolian basket weaving forum, you either have a jacked body, or you do not. You will get the respect/attention for having it, no matter what you did to get it.
So you're saying that there aren't threads daily that insult people for being natty? How new are you?
you just know . . .
There is nothing wrong with turning in your natty card. The problem comes from when you claim natty while juicing. No one of any worth actually gives a fuck if you juice to the gills and admit it. No one likes the person who juices and claims natty and that goes doubly so for people who profit off of the claim. People medicate all the time and no one screeches about that not being their natural mental health.
There are numerous short and long term side effects for both physical and mental health though; that could be in the 'wrong' category.
An incredibly moderate and reasonable take. What are you doing here?
Trading your health for vanity. You literally take dangerous chemicals just to LOOK good. It's not even the kind of stuff runners and powerlifters take that make then superhuman.
Retarded af. Also there is a lot of roiders who look dyel(randy).
If you are not a professional athlete and you roid you are retarded.
Imagine being so insecure you have to inject drugs to try to impress other people lmao. Genetic garbage. I'm over 6 foot tall, have wide shoudlers and a head full of hair. It pleases me to see manlets and inferior men coping by ruining their long term health.
If you lift then you roid. Otherwise dont bother it wont amount to nothing. Go ahead natty boy show me your progress in 3 years from now, ill look forward to the laugh
>Otherwise dont bother it wont amount to nothing
t.coping mentally weak chud gay.
>Posts some 5 4 manlet from 100 years ago
Kinda reminds me of when you read about the average dude weight 120 pounds during the civil war. Move along now gay.
You’ll be dead 30 years from now
>t. Lazy gay dyel.
Post body
Makes you die younger and only impresses other roiders.
its morally wrong.
It completely invalidates all of your views on health, nutrition, and training, as your body is not the same as everyone else.
It’s not good for you. Even something as minor as testosterone can really fuck you up if you don’t know what you’re doing.
t. Have 3 vials of test and plan to start pinning in May
Its cringe
Im healthy, i excercise, i eat whatever i want every once and then, i'm in shape, I can carry and defend my gf, body looks good,
Why would i want more?
Because your body isn’t good enough to be posted online without ridicule
Because this isn’t the place where you fags can promote your normality. No one fucking cares about your self improvement here, we just want to get big. /sig/ and zoomers ruined this place
yeah its called IST for fitness, not /big/ for mentally ill losers with bigorexia
go back
huh, you're talking about a board whose mascot was zyzz in the halcyon days. who's like the posterboy for the juice lifestyle. this hating on steroids is a very recent thing and only due to 4chins innate contrarian stance. roids are pretty mainstream now, so it's normal for this board to hate on it
>But he died of muh roids
He was doing fuckloads of recreational drugs, like a lot of bodybuilders as well.
But yea, I think it's jealously, tho I thought the same way when I was natty too. Alot of movie stars are on gear so because of social media girls expect more muscle. Hell even my 14 year old niece thinks all of the guys her age look like shit cus of social media.
"defend" your gf from my striking good looks and giant cock. oh and my glock
you can always be thinner, look better
Based. Balllet roid trannies cope and seethe harder
Gotta be honest, I don't fraud due to health issues, however, I don't look down on those who do so long as they're transparent about it. If you PED and lie about it then you can fuck yourself.
>I'ma tell everybody I'm on roids
Lmao, I forget I'm on a Mongolian basket weaving board filled with autists.
Your obsession with transparency is hilarious, because everything IRL doesn't work like that. I don't even have to lie, I just don't even mention it lmao.
That's not what I said dickchin. I said don't LIE about it, if no one asks then it's not lying. The moment someone asks though and you lie to them, you're shit.
depends where you are. in the US were it's pretty much legal, yeah lieing to your bros is dumb. but in some European contries where the cops actually crash into gyms to test randos and you can get booked just for looking too swole ( like Sweden), I'd lie my ass off too
Bro fair rebuttal, if in anti-drug hellstate I'd see the rationale.
>you can get booked just for looking too swole ( like Sweden)
You're kidding, right?
https://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/59885/swedish-man-arrested-for-being-too-buff
no, it happens pretty reguarly in fact. in Belgium they also crash into random gyms to test random meatheads who look like they're on the juice. steroids are almost seen like heroin in some parts of western europe
And why gay? You really don't understand how often normies lie to one another, especially girls lol.
You don't like it because what's considered attractive for men is a more steroid look. That standard is fine by me kek.
Depends on how quickly you get gains. I do like it tho, you have to be 250 lb lean and maybe girls won't like it. But the bigger and leaner I've gotten the better it gets. Ymmv
Unless you’re a fucking freak, no one IRL is going to ask you if your on roids outside some gym bro lmao. Normies think hollywood actors are natty for christ sake
Everyone around me takes roids and my contrarian nature forces me to be natty. One of my friends got so much back acne and neck acne he stopped working out all together. After seeing that, it scared me off it.
>war started
>supplies unavailable
even you have stock it up, you may run out of it, it's going bad, etc. natty is the way
>Test prop powder costs me 100 bucks
Lasts me a decade on 500mg a week. That's for 100 bucks, get fucked natty.
>Muh go bad
Vacuum sealed baby
good for you then, stay alert with your blood profile and blood pressure
too many chuds in army in current year, I thought it's only estrogen pills that available
You think the government or military personnel don’t have lifetime supplies of steroids?
most spec ops are on the juice. I hear it's encouraged even, among certain branches of le too. not tren I guess, but things that keeps them strong, functional and agressive
You can do a shit load of cardio on tren if you balance it with Cardarine. A drug even natties should take imo, it has no downsides and amazing benefits.
wouldn't tren fuck with your mind a little too much to be really viable in those circumstances ? my bet is they're on regular ass test combined with DHT derived aas as to increase strength, agression and drive, without the 19nor weirdness. also shit that increases cardio of course
>it has no downsides
>that i know of
everything has downside
I don't get your point. You can stop roiding without pct and return to normal hormonal levels after a while
All the roiders I know irl are swollen meat-head caricatures with anger management issues. Only one actually has a decent body, and even he refuses to take his hat off. I'm not dying young for that shit.
>balls stop working
>Penis shrink
>Manlet roid rage
>Acne in your back and face
>Permanently destroys your natural T production
>when you get off you loses all your muscles and increase estrogen
>Destroys your heart
>let’s take every side effect for something and say it’ll happen to you
natty cope lol
Enjoy having a heart attack in your 40s
There's nothing really "wrong" with it, more so that there are a number of negative health contraindications that're truly worrisome, and I'd be pressed to ask why you're contemplating using steroids in the first place if you're not a competitive athlete at either the professional or Olympic level.
i have body dysmorphia
I want to start a business that requires me to look good year round
I want to blast t3 so I can eat more, so roids would help
I dont care about my health (I say that as a pussy not pinning yet lmao)
why not hop on at 20? really, tell me, I already have a cycle planned out and where to get. I was even thinking of bulk buying and homebrewing like this guy
Because you’re not done yet in terms of optimum test years. Check your progress after 25.
I hate this shit
I just wanna look good NOW, I don't even notice anything in my body changing at the moment, in fact my life is getting WORSE
>inb4 zoomie needs gratification
I don't even look in the mirror and after my cut I'm not gonna check my weight again cause I'll either A. Starve myself, or B. Kill myself, so I don't know what I look like
also allegedly you feel really really good on it. then wanna kys off it, but if I'm blasting I'm committing to a TRT dose anyways incase my test never recovers no?
There's nothing wrong with roids. I run a very successful instagram page and protein supplement company with their help. The issue is, most people don't want to admit or learn how to use steroids. I've been taking them since I was 18 (33 now) and it's the only reason my business took of. I will always claim natty, but to get to the top of your game you need PEDs. The meal plans I sell from /frauding/ paid for my house lol.
Why anyone would remain natural in today's day and age is beyond me. We've advanced so far, there's no reason not be to on gear.
>I've been taking them since I was 18 (33 now)
>there's no reason not be to on gear.
Are there any unhealthy side effects from using PEDs for this amount of time?
meh, its just for manchildren. Every roider ive ever met has been a child mentally and emotionally. I dont want to associate myself with tat. Besides, my father and grandfather valued hard work and integrity. I know being natty would make them proud
It'd probably be fine if done in a controlled way that doesn't destroy your liver.
Looking like this at 27 years old is what's wrong with roiding
>27 years old
Holy fuck! I'm 20 years older than this dude, and look 10 years younger.
does injecting fluid into your cock mean you have a big dick?