What's wrong with the Starting Strength aesthetics?

What's wrong with the Starting Strength aesthetics? Does it just look too masculine and big for the generally feminised and twink modern society "man"?

  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >4pl8 OHP
    >730lb conventional diddly
    16" arms. Stop the strength meme.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ok well if your like 5'3 those are big arms

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing wrong with SS aesthetics. I don’t give a fuck about cutting and plan to keep getting stronger

    Btw Chase Lindley is a fucking monster. Guy is extremely strong.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Chase is a beast, and for how young he is, he's just going to get more beastly. Wouldn't kill him to get a tan, however.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn’t he basically albino?

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are two main ways to attract women.

    You either are going for an expression of genetics, which is usually used by younger men to attract younger women who value genetics and potential more than wealth and masculinity. This is a lean physique with a good amount of muscle mass, little to no facial hair to showcase physiognomy.

    Or you are going for an expression of masculinity, which is used by older men to attract older women and keep their current partners as their youthful good looks wane. It also works to attract younger women in the modern age due to the daddy issues phenomenon. This is about gaining as much muscle as possible and having a relatively higher body fat. Facial hair is important to this.

    The point of explaining this is that Starting Strength is clearly going for the expression of masculinity. While most men who are not 30+ are aiming for the expression of genetics and would not benefit from Starting Strength. The whole problem comes from the fact it's called "Starting" Strength but is not actually what most young men want. Most young men just need to get in the gym and be consistent and eat mostly animal products to get the body they desire. They don't need GOMAD or SS.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There are two main ways to attract women.
      >bodybuilding or strength training can ONLY be for attracting women and not as a hobby for self fulfillment
      way too many gays on this site

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're insane if you think less than 95% of the young guys in gyms lifting are doing so for reasons besides getting pussy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          95% of young guys in gyms are also gays so what's your point?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There are two main ways to attract women
      >juggling
      >and falconry
      FIFY

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        no its holding coke and being famous

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You could just do SS, gain a bunch of muscle, then lose the extra fat.
      It's really not different than any other program in that regard.
      Except that it works better and builds more muscle faster.
      People are just weird where they think building leg muscle and back muscle is unimportant and keeps you from building other muscles.
      If you add 200 lbs to your squat and deadlift and 100 lbs to your bench and press you're going to build a ton of muscle all over. And you're going to build it faster than on another routine where you fuck around and go slower.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Take your meds.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Autism.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mark "fuck girlfriends" Rippy

    ?t=635

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the average starting strength physique ends up with something like this

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Guarantee hes stronger than an individual who does any other program in the same amount of time

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but its not like you don’t get strong on other programs, you just get strongER with SS. But the thing is I’d rather look 100% better and be 30% weaker than the other way around

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >do program 6 months
          >switch to intermediate program
          >keep your strength and then look aesthetic
          Its that easy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Strength and muscle are pretty much the same thing. He has a ton of muscle, he just has fat obscuring it.
          I thought we figured all this shit out like ten years ago. Why is everyone acting like they don't understand these concepts anymore.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            hypertrophy is superior to strength because you gain the muscle without the fat covering alongside

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Strength is superior to hypertrophy because physical strength is the most important thing in life. This is true whether we want it to be or not.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't lift or know anything about lifting

                [...]
                Fucking retard, strength and hypertrophy are pretty much the same thing. You get stronger by your muscles growing. That's "hypertrophy." Nobody looks good who isn't strong.

                Lmao two fatties arguing

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                very good anon

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >strength is the most important thing in life
                What about health?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you aren't strong you aren't healthy

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's an inverse U shaped curve on that one. Pursuing advanced strength will destroy your health.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't refute the point you were replying to. If you aren't strong, you aren't healthy.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Doesn't lift or know anything about lifting

              Strength is superior to hypertrophy because physical strength is the most important thing in life. This is true whether we want it to be or not.

              Fucking retard, strength and hypertrophy are pretty much the same thing. You get stronger by your muscles growing. That's "hypertrophy." Nobody looks good who isn't strong.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro calm down, I was just making a little joke with the first line of the book, which I'm suspecting you haven't actually read

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            SS is basically a peaking program

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              SS is building the foundation. You can't peak if you don't have a foundation.
              Also applies to bodybuilding. Doing 6 sets of 15 with 135 on the bench isn't going to be as effective as doing it with 255, using the strength you built up.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >SS is building the foundation. You can't peak if you don't have a foundation.
                You don't know what you're talking about
                Most of the progress you make on ss is just realizing your strength potential
                That's why boomers with athletic backgrounds hit 3pl8s doing it, and inactive basement dwellers stall around 2pl8s
                Building a foundation means a lot of practice with moderate weights, hypertrophy work and conditioning
                >Also applies to bodybuilding. Doing 6 sets of 15 with 135 on the bench isn't going to be as effective as doing it with 255, using the strength you built up.
                If you can do the 6x15 with strict form and short rest times you have the strength to bench 225 at least

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is correct
                When Bill Starr presented his 5x5, its primary purpose was for football players to quickly return to high numbers on their lifts between play seasons
                Meaning they're worn out, they haven't lifted for ages, they rest and recover and they're primed to bounce back to where they were, or even better than before
                It's intended to peak, not to build, and for athletes, not 35yo couch potatoes
                The missing link for building muscle is long sets with lots of focus on feeling the actual muscles, not 5s only caring about cheating the weight up and nothing else

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                What do you mean "realizing your strength potential"? Like they are strong enough to do those lifts but have to practice the form? That is completely wrong. Everyone doing SS gains a huge amount of weight. That is not "realizing your strength potential." It is gaining strength.
                >If you can do the 6x15 with strict form and short rest times you have the strength to bench 225 at least
                How is that relevant to anything I said?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's called starting strength for a reason, you're supposed to transition to other programs but building your self ass first instead of ass last is fundamental to staying out of snap city

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Guarantee hes stronger than an individual who does any other program in the same amount of time
        Well that's great if he's helping someone move a piano from an apartment, but he still looks like shit.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe, but who cares.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        That is only a few months progress retards, do you honestly believe you will look better doing some shitty dyel machine brosplit/ppl?

        SS is supposed to last for 2-3 months. 2-3 months on a brosplit benching 1pl8 will cause absolutely 0 change on the way you look

        this guy honestly looks fine, just has higher fat%
        give him ab work, maybe some shoulders and traps, a cut, a haircut, some stubble, and he'll look good

        he used to look like this morons

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >they used to be weak and skinnyfat
          >now they’re fat and can squat 405lbs
          What a travesty. If they’ll cut they’ll still look better than a bro splitter on the same amount of time.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but its not like you don’t get strong on other programs, you just get strongER with SS. But the thing is I’d rather look 100% better and be 30% weaker than the other way around

      That is only a few months progress retards, do you honestly believe you will look better doing some shitty dyel machine brosplit/ppl?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      SS is supposed to last for 2-3 months. 2-3 months on a brosplit benching 1pl8 will cause absolutely 0 change on the way you look

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >2-3 months on a brosplit benching 1pl8 will cause absolutely 0 change on the way you look
        2-3 months on a bro split will cause plenty of strength increase. Probably more than SS for bench because you'll do more than an average of 4.5 sets a week for chest

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          has anyone tried changing the program by substituting squats with bench so you bench 3x week instead of squatting?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Post lifts before I call dyelhunter

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm making far better gains doing PPL compared to when I used to do SS as a beginner

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      this guy honestly looks fine, just has higher fat%
      give him ab work, maybe some shoulders and traps, a cut, a haircut, some stubble, and he'll look good

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      do literally any program that focuses on progressing compound movements for 2-6 months as a beginner and then readjust for your goals

      this guy could now switch to a bodybuilding program for a few months and then cut and look good

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I kinda wish I did SS in the beginning

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know you could still run the program right?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't it a beginner program that you run for like 2 months tops?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, the programs have 3 stages depending on how fast does your deadlift progress stall. After that there are advanced novice tweaks you can use, like having a light squat day, described in Practical Programming book.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank fucking Christ someone in this godforsaken board who has actually read the relevant material.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              That image conflicts with the SS book lel

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            that image is wrong. SS is meant to be run for 2-4 months, according to both ss and ppst. stop spreading stupid lies

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The books are kinda nice since they go into so much detail, but on the same hand 200+ pages of autism on ~5 movements is a bit much for me. I don't think the bench press needs 40 pages

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You run it for as long as you can continue to make progress. How big are you and what are your lifts?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >2 months tops?
          Do some math in your head. You add 5 lbs to your squat and deadlift as long as you can. After 2 moths, if you are a beginner, you'll be squatting maybe 225x5. If you eat enough most guys can get up to 50-100 lbs more. So 3-4 months is a reasonable amount.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I ran it for 8 months and got over a 405 x 5 squat on it
          You don't just do SS once, anyway, you come back to it (in an abbreviates form) post injury or break. Fastest way to get your gains back.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brienne of Tarth is my favorite got character

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It catapules you into powershitting. That's it, that's its intended purpose, and that's what is wrong with it per se; the aesthetics(attached to working out)take the back seat when you decide to follow it.
    If somebody wants an aesthetic body that appeals to must women, they shouldn't do a program that focuses on building strength and only strength. Simple as.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you can squat 405 lbs you're not going to have a problem getting women

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fatty cope

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You don't have to be fat to squat 405 kek I was like 155 when I did it

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nice squat bro she let me hit it cuz im goofy

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny how people think you need a bunch of isolation exercises and high reps to make a muscle grow. That is something elite bodybuilders do to gain a tiny bit more on a particular muscle. It is the icing on top. What makes your triceps grow is getting your bench to 315 for reps, not tricep kickbacks with 25 lbs.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I will say, my triceps got a lot bigger after I started doing lying triceps extensions, as described in the book. However, I know I wouldn't be able to make any kind of long term progress with the extensions if I wasn't doing bench

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Me with a 250 lb bench press vs me dumbell benching and doing machine flys
        I know my chest still sucks and I know that's a far cry from 315 for reps but the trajectory indicates that barbell benching isn't that good for my hypertrophy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty sure I have a better chest with a 185x5 bench and zero accessory work

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Probably because you have better inserts dude. Chest has always been a weak point. My body would rather build legs.

            https://i.imgur.com/66OvabH.jpg

            I mean, the second photo was taken with two weeks of training from covid with no pump and shit lighting and even still I think there is a small but noticeable difference. I don't think you would be saying that if I said "look what increasing my bench did as opposed to when I was just isolating,"

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is this the natty limit

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, I have been seriously lifting since last spring after playing sports in highschool and I probably have below average chest genetics.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It literally looks the same, same amount of muscle mass on the chest

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          i think you bigger on the left. nipples are smaller on the right though. barbell bench may be responsible for pepperoni nips amongst zoomers.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          how'd your belly button change so much?

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is mark diabetic?

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what I'm doing at gym.
    I just do 1 compound each session with 1-3 accessories and come back later that day
    >morning ohp
    >evening bench
    Next day
    >morning squat
    >evening deadlift

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of programs are basically just that. One or two compounds, plus accessories.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ol' Pisspants Rippetoe roided for a shit powerlifting total, missed ever getting a 405lbs bench, and barely squatted over 600lbs.

    A joke.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Starting Strength as a base works well to get familiar with the barbell movements and build a base of strength. You're supposed to move on from it in a few months.

    No matter the program a natty really shouldn't expect to look good in like 2 or 3 months of lifting anyway.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the powershitters coping about strength dont realize the average aesthetic weightlifter is still significantly stronger than the average man so whats the point in just strength training unless competition?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the powershitters coping about strength don't realize that "strength" is a lot more movement and lift-specific than we care to admit. You can have a world class powerlifting total and still be unable to do a single clean, dead hang pull up.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bull-fucking-shit. You're meme-ing yourself if you think a world class deadlift means you have a small and weak back. If you have a world class deadlift then you'd pump out pullups like butter, unless you're 250+ lbs.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pull-ups hit the lats hardest, chins destroy your biceps. It's no coincidence that these are muscles comparatively neglected by powerlifting.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I seriously doubt your claim, which by the way has very little to do with the average person, show me an example of somebody who held a world record total that couldn't do a single pullup. Even Brian Shaw who weighs 450 fucking pounds and whose training requires nearly no vertical pulling can do 6 pullups.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        only a few ultra-fat SHWs like jeff lewis or somebody. otherwise no.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The average aesthetic weightlifter not only looks like shit but is only slightly stronger than the average DYEL scrub. Posters who attack powerlifting conveniently ignore the fact that 95%+ of natty guys who lift purely for aesthetics never accomplish anything even close to an aesthetic physique. Ok fine, there are some amateur powerlifters who don't take the sport seriously, never cut, have no weight class in mind and use lifting as an excuse to bloatmaxx. Those people would have just been regular fatasses without powerlifting anyway. Now what about all the guys I see packing every commercial gym that are skynnyfat with nothing but puffed up biceps? That's your average aesthetic lifter. Something like picrel is the best case scenario for most normie guys who lift without any purpose other than to "look swole bro." No legs, dumb looking curlbro arms, no strength, not evenly developed etc. Just straight garbage, and this is better than most guys I see in the gym. Zyzz type guys are roidmaxed outliers. The average powerlifter looks better than the average aesthetic lifter because the average aesthetic is one of those idiots you see doing low intensity 3x10 machine chest press and bicep curl because they watched an alpha male YouTube video and want to be the """swole"" guy at their wagie job. Powerlifters at least lift with some intensity because they're working towards concrete, measurable goals and following programs.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >powershitter cope

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, he's right. Proper programming is key to success. Curlbros don't understand programming, and I continue to see the same noodle arm guys benching 3x10 115 lbs and never making progress. Meanwhile, the strength enjoyer will be benching 225 lbs+ and look like it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Programming literally doesn't matter unless you're an elite athlete. Just lift.

            I used to be just like you.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I used to be just like you, wondering why my body was toast doing PPLPPLx with 120+sets per week.
              Bill Starr's 5x5 is a good starting point for recoverable volume. Once you've run a decent program, you'll have a much better sense for what needs tweaking. Madcow is great volume for my legs, but the upper body volume isn't enough. Ok, now I add 1-2 back off sets for bench and reassess how I feel and what sort of progress I'm making.
              Your average novice weightlifter is banging out sets in the gym with no idea what they're doing. I know because I see them everyday and it's exactly how I wasted my first 2 years in the gym.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            curlbros who have been training hard for 5 years don't bench 115lbs for 3x10 and don't have small arms, you're delusional af

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The average aesthetic weightlifter not only looks like shit but is only slightly stronger than the average DYEL scrub. Posters who attack powerlifting conveniently ignore the fact that 95%+ of natty guys who lift purely for aesthetics never accomplish anything even close to an aesthetic physique. Ok fine, there are some amateur powerlifters who don't take the sport seriously, never cut, have no weight class in mind and use lifting as an excuse to bloatmaxx. Those people would have just been regular fatasses without powerlifting anyway. Now what about all the guys I see packing every commercial gym that are skynnyfat with nothing but puffed up biceps? That's your average aesthetic lifter. Something like picrel is the best case scenario for most normie guys who lift without any purpose other than to "look swole bro." No legs, dumb looking curlbro arms, no strength, not evenly developed etc. Just straight garbage, and this is better than most guys I see in the gym. Zyzz type guys are roidmaxed outliers. The average powerlifter looks better than the average aesthetic lifter because the average aesthetic is one of those idiots you see doing low intensity 3x10 machine chest press and bicep curl because they watched an alpha male YouTube video and want to be the """swole"" guy at their wagie job. Powerlifters at least lift with some intensity because they're working towards concrete, measurable goals and following programs.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          he's essentially just made up a long way of saying "people with no goals make no gains" and you disagreed with him

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Top middle photo is a group of visibly strong looking young men who have not only gotten in shape but found good friends with their powerlifting hobby
          >Rightmost photo looks better than 95%+ of guys lifting for aesthetics (does he powerlift though? Who knows?)
          >Both photos on the left convey no useful information
          >Bottom middle photos are two strong guys having a good lift
          Wow powerlifters absolutely BTFO

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's essentially just made up a long way of saying "people with no goals make no gains" and you disagreed with him

            What is it about powerlifting that attracts so many freaks? Is it because powerlifting is for nerds, lazy people and dropouts? Too heavy to do calisthenics, too weak to do strongman. Not athletic enough for rugby or martial arts, not good looking enough for bodybuilding, powerlifting simply attracts weaklings. Powerlifting appeals to nerds in school who did no sports and suddenly think that by being a GOMAD fatso and doing shitty ROM benches on shitty post SS routine that they're an elite athlete. They hate bodybuilders for looking better than them, for not being a nerd who cares about 1 pound added on bench press variation number 246. That's why there is a most reprehensible powerlifting "look". Bald or balding, in glasses or with scraggly beard, "bacon and barbells" t shirt barely covering their disgusting gut, red long socks covering skinny calves, all kinds of stupid gear, lifting belts and bench shirts and wrist wraps and useless minutia strapped to their narrow but overweight frames, powerlifting truly is a "sport", if it can be called one, for the dead ends of society.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Im a normal guy who does powerlifting with a few bodybuilding movements added in. It has taken me from weak skeleton to this physique and greater athletic ability which I’m pretty proud of. Maybe if you spent some more time in the gym and less time posting demotivational shitposts you would be willing to post body too and we could all have a good time here.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >They hate bodybuilders for looking better than them
              Pretty sure no one on earth thinks bodybuilders look good except for extreme gay muscle fetishists and other bodybuilders.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Pretty sure no one on earth thinks bodybuilders look good except for extreme gay muscle fetishists and other bodybuilders.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Classic bodybuilders look good. They became gross looking after Frank Zane and Arnold. Lee Haney was pushing it and by Dorian Yates they looked fully disgusting.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is unequivocaly true. Actually having a goal and structured program = more gains than "feeling the contraction" and all the other bullshit.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is SS becoming popular again? I hope we don’t enter the “Shut up and Skwat” era again.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. leglet

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it that all the people who do SS have such pathetic facial hair?

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is not what the typical results of SS look like and you know it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wasted digits.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Quints of truth.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wasted

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Wasted digits

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >There are two main ways to attract women.
    Wrong. There are countless ways i can flaunt my wealth.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Starting T-Rex.

    You won't develop doing the programmed official Starting Strength by any means, lmao.

    It would be better just to do chin ups, pull ups and dips for bigger arms.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    fucking kek at gays who still think three simple arbitrary movements are some universal feats of strength while they have little bearing on actual performance in real life situations or athletic performance
    to be strong means to be strong in many types of movements and ss gives you nothing but an illusion of strength, it would be reasonable to say it's good for powerlifting beginners, but saying it makes you STRONGER than less minimalistic programs is delusion and these people get reality-check'd hard whenever they do anything else than barbell squats

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You all are retards. Dude looks fine. All he needs to do is 15 minutes of curls 3 times per week and 15 minutes of firect tricep work 3 times per week and youd all be calling him "huge"

    6 weeks of a modest, two pound per week "cut" and you'd be be calling him "aesthetic"

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can squat 325lbs and my legs are 24", are they small for my strength level?

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the Starting Strength aesthetics?
    fat with no upper body muscle?

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that the chest, back, and shoulders usually lag, and the ass and legs explode. It can be an awkward phase, no doubt. It isn't until you're putting up much bigger numbers that things even out like picrel.
    Given SS is just a beginner routine, most people switch routines before the pear-body transitions into the ultimate dad-bod over time; and then they shit on SS because they did GOMAD as an endomorph.
    Anyone considering SS should definitely do the version of the program that includes pullups and dips for added back and chest volume.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Bartelby were alive today he'd 100% be a neet and probably poster here

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve never seen anyone who looked good from SS so that means it’s a bad program

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does it just look too masculine and big for the generally feminised

    Just the opposite, actually. Powershitters look fat and weak.

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