What's wrong with the Starting Strength aesthetics? Does it just look too masculine and big for the generally feminised and twink modern society "man"?
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>4pl8 OHP
>730lb conventional diddly
16" arms. Stop the strength meme.
Ok well if your like 5'3 those are big arms
Nothing wrong with SS aesthetics. I don’t give a frick about cutting and plan to keep getting stronger
Btw Chase Lindley is a fricking monster. Guy is extremely strong.
Chase is a beast, and for how young he is, he's just going to get more beastly. Wouldn't kill him to get a tan, however.
Isn’t he basically albino?
There are two main ways to attract women.
You either are going for an expression of genetics, which is usually used by younger men to attract younger women who value genetics and potential more than wealth and masculinity. This is a lean physique with a good amount of muscle mass, little to no facial hair to showcase physiognomy.
Or you are going for an expression of masculinity, which is used by older men to attract older women and keep their current partners as their youthful good looks wane. It also works to attract younger women in the modern age due to the daddy issues phenomenon. This is about gaining as much muscle as possible and having a relatively higher body fat. Facial hair is important to this.
The point of explaining this is that Starting Strength is clearly going for the expression of masculinity. While most men who are not 30+ are aiming for the expression of genetics and would not benefit from Starting Strength. The whole problem comes from the fact it's called "Starting" Strength but is not actually what most young men want. Most young men just need to get in the gym and be consistent and eat mostly animal products to get the body they desire. They don't need GOMAD or SS.
>There are two main ways to attract women.
>bodybuilding or strength training can ONLY be for attracting women and not as a hobby for self fulfillment
way too many homosexuals on this site
You're insane if you think less than 95% of the young guys in gyms lifting are doing so for reasons besides getting pussy
95% of young guys in gyms are also homosexuals so what's your point?
>There are two main ways to attract women
>juggling
>and falconry
FIFY
no its holding coke and being famous
You could just do SS, gain a bunch of muscle, then lose the extra fat.
It's really not different than any other program in that regard.
Except that it works better and builds more muscle faster.
People are just weird where they think building leg muscle and back muscle is unimportant and keeps you from building other muscles.
If you add 200 lbs to your squat and deadlift and 100 lbs to your bench and press you're going to build a ton of muscle all over. And you're going to build it faster than on another routine where you frick around and go slower.
Take your meds.
Autism.
Mark "frick girlfriends" Rippy
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Because the average starting strength physique ends up with something like this
Guarantee hes stronger than an individual who does any other program in the same amount of time
Yeah but its not like you don’t get strong on other programs, you just get strongER with SS. But the thing is I’d rather look 100% better and be 30% weaker than the other way around
>do program 6 months
>switch to intermediate program
>keep your strength and then look aesthetic
Its that easy
Strength and muscle are pretty much the same thing. He has a ton of muscle, he just has fat obscuring it.
I thought we figured all this shit out like ten years ago. Why is everyone acting like they don't understand these concepts anymore.
hypertrophy is superior to strength because you gain the muscle without the fat covering alongside
Strength is superior to hypertrophy because physical strength is the most important thing in life. This is true whether we want it to be or not.
Lmao two fatties arguing
very good anon
>strength is the most important thing in life
What about health?
If you aren't strong you aren't healthy
There's an inverse U shaped curve on that one. Pursuing advanced strength will destroy your health.
That doesn't refute the point you were replying to. If you aren't strong, you aren't healthy.
>Doesn't lift or know anything about lifting
Fricking moron, strength and hypertrophy are pretty much the same thing. You get stronger by your muscles growing. That's "hypertrophy." Nobody looks good who isn't strong.
bro calm down, I was just making a little joke with the first line of the book, which I'm suspecting you haven't actually read
SS is basically a peaking program
SS is building the foundation. You can't peak if you don't have a foundation.
Also applies to bodybuilding. Doing 6 sets of 15 with 135 on the bench isn't going to be as effective as doing it with 255, using the strength you built up.
>SS is building the foundation. You can't peak if you don't have a foundation.
You don't know what you're talking about
Most of the progress you make on ss is just realizing your strength potential
That's why boomers with athletic backgrounds hit 3pl8s doing it, and inactive basement dwellers stall around 2pl8s
Building a foundation means a lot of practice with moderate weights, hypertrophy work and conditioning
>Also applies to bodybuilding. Doing 6 sets of 15 with 135 on the bench isn't going to be as effective as doing it with 255, using the strength you built up.
If you can do the 6x15 with strict form and short rest times you have the strength to bench 225 at least
This is correct
When Bill Starr presented his 5x5, its primary purpose was for football players to quickly return to high numbers on their lifts between play seasons
Meaning they're worn out, they haven't lifted for ages, they rest and recover and they're primed to bounce back to where they were, or even better than before
It's intended to peak, not to build, and for athletes, not 35yo couch potatoes
The missing link for building muscle is long sets with lots of focus on feeling the actual muscles, not 5s only caring about cheating the weight up and nothing else
What do you mean "realizing your strength potential"? Like they are strong enough to do those lifts but have to practice the form? That is completely wrong. Everyone doing SS gains a huge amount of weight. That is not "realizing your strength potential." It is gaining strength.
>If you can do the 6x15 with strict form and short rest times you have the strength to bench 225 at least
How is that relevant to anything I said?
it's called starting strength for a reason, you're supposed to transition to other programs but building your self ass first instead of ass last is fundamental to staying out of snap city
>Guarantee hes stronger than an individual who does any other program in the same amount of time
Well that's great if he's helping someone move a piano from an apartment, but he still looks like shit.
Maybe, but who cares.
he used to look like this morons
>they used to be weak and skinnyfat
>now they’re fat and can squat 405lbs
What a travesty. If they’ll cut they’ll still look better than a bro splitter on the same amount of time.
That is only a few months progress morons, do you honestly believe you will look better doing some shitty dyel machine brosplit/ppl?
Yes
SS is supposed to last for 2-3 months. 2-3 months on a brosplit benching 1pl8 will cause absolutely 0 change on the way you look
>2-3 months on a brosplit benching 1pl8 will cause absolutely 0 change on the way you look
2-3 months on a bro split will cause plenty of strength increase. Probably more than SS for bench because you'll do more than an average of 4.5 sets a week for chest
has anyone tried changing the program by substituting squats with bench so you bench 3x week instead of squatting?
Post lifts before I call dyelhunter
I'm making far better gains doing PPL compared to when I used to do SS as a beginner
this guy honestly looks fine, just has higher fat%
give him ab work, maybe some shoulders and traps, a cut, a haircut, some stubble, and he'll look good
do literally any program that focuses on progressing compound movements for 2-6 months as a beginner and then readjust for your goals
this guy could now switch to a bodybuilding program for a few months and then cut and look good
I kinda wish I did SS in the beginning
You know you could still run the program right?
Isn't it a beginner program that you run for like 2 months tops?
No, the programs have 3 stages depending on how fast does your deadlift progress stall. After that there are advanced novice tweaks you can use, like having a light squat day, described in Practical Programming book.
Thank fricking Christ someone in this godforsaken board who has actually read the relevant material.
That image conflicts with the SS book lel
that image is wrong. SS is meant to be run for 2-4 months, according to both ss and ppst. stop spreading stupid lies
The books are kinda nice since they go into so much detail, but on the same hand 200+ pages of autism on ~5 movements is a bit much for me. I don't think the bench press needs 40 pages
You run it for as long as you can continue to make progress. How big are you and what are your lifts?
>2 months tops?
Do some math in your head. You add 5 lbs to your squat and deadlift as long as you can. After 2 moths, if you are a beginner, you'll be squatting maybe 225x5. If you eat enough most guys can get up to 50-100 lbs more. So 3-4 months is a reasonable amount.
I ran it for 8 months and got over a 405 x 5 squat on it
You don't just do SS once, anyway, you come back to it (in an abbreviates form) post injury or break. Fastest way to get your gains back.
Brienne of Tarth is my favorite got character
It catapules you into powershitting. That's it, that's its intended purpose, and that's what is wrong with it per se; the aesthetics(attached to working out)take the back seat when you decide to follow it.
If somebody wants an aesthetic body that appeals to must women, they shouldn't do a program that focuses on building strength and only strength. Simple as.
If you can squat 405 lbs you're not going to have a problem getting women
Fatty cope
You don't have to be fat to squat 405 kek I was like 155 when I did it
Nice squat bro she let me hit it cuz im goofy
It's funny how people think you need a bunch of isolation exercises and high reps to make a muscle grow. That is something elite bodybuilders do to gain a tiny bit more on a particular muscle. It is the icing on top. What makes your triceps grow is getting your bench to 315 for reps, not tricep kickbacks with 25 lbs.
I will say, my triceps got a lot bigger after I started doing lying triceps extensions, as described in the book. However, I know I wouldn't be able to make any kind of long term progress with the extensions if I wasn't doing bench
Me with a 250 lb bench press vs me dumbell benching and doing machine flys
I know my chest still sucks and I know that's a far cry from 315 for reps but the trajectory indicates that barbell benching isn't that good for my hypertrophy
Pretty sure I have a better chest with a 185x5 bench and zero accessory work
Probably because you have better inserts dude. Chest has always been a weak point. My body would rather build legs.
I mean, the second photo was taken with two weeks of training from covid with no pump and shit lighting and even still I think there is a small but noticeable difference. I don't think you would be saying that if I said "look what increasing my bench did as opposed to when I was just isolating,"
Is this the natty limit
No, I have been seriously lifting since last spring after playing sports in highschool and I probably have below average chest genetics.
It literally looks the same, same amount of muscle mass on the chest
i think you bigger on the left. nipples are smaller on the right though. barbell bench may be responsible for pepperoni nips amongst zoomers.
how'd your belly button change so much?
Is mark diabetic?
I don't know what I'm doing at gym.
I just do 1 compound each session with 1-3 accessories and come back later that day
>morning ohp
>evening bench
Next day
>morning squat
>evening deadlift
Lots of programs are basically just that. One or two compounds, plus accessories.
Ol' Pisspants Rippetoe roided for a shit powerlifting total, missed ever getting a 405lbs bench, and barely squatted over 600lbs.
A joke.
Starting Strength as a base works well to get familiar with the barbell movements and build a base of strength. You're supposed to move on from it in a few months.
No matter the program a natty really shouldn't expect to look good in like 2 or 3 months of lifting anyway.
All the powershitters coping about strength dont realize the average aesthetic weightlifter is still significantly stronger than the average man so whats the point in just strength training unless competition?
All the powershitters coping about strength don't realize that "strength" is a lot more movement and lift-specific than we care to admit. You can have a world class powerlifting total and still be unable to do a single clean, dead hang pull up.
Bull-fricking-shit. You're meme-ing yourself if you think a world class deadlift means you have a small and weak back. If you have a world class deadlift then you'd pump out pullups like butter, unless you're 250+ lbs.
Pull-ups hit the lats hardest, chins destroy your biceps. It's no coincidence that these are muscles comparatively neglected by powerlifting.
I seriously doubt your claim, which by the way has very little to do with the average person, show me an example of somebody who held a world record total that couldn't do a single pullup. Even Brian Shaw who weighs 450 fricking pounds and whose training requires nearly no vertical pulling can do 6 pullups.
only a few ultra-fat SHWs like jeff lewis or somebody. otherwise no.
The average aesthetic weightlifter not only looks like shit but is only slightly stronger than the average DYEL scrub. Posters who attack powerlifting conveniently ignore the fact that 95%+ of natty guys who lift purely for aesthetics never accomplish anything even close to an aesthetic physique. Ok fine, there are some amateur powerlifters who don't take the sport seriously, never cut, have no weight class in mind and use lifting as an excuse to bloatmaxx. Those people would have just been regular fatasses without powerlifting anyway. Now what about all the guys I see packing every commercial gym that are skynnyfat with nothing but puffed up biceps? That's your average aesthetic lifter. Something like picrel is the best case scenario for most normie guys who lift without any purpose other than to "look swole bro." No legs, dumb looking curlbro arms, no strength, not evenly developed etc. Just straight garbage, and this is better than most guys I see in the gym. Zyzz type guys are roidmaxed outliers. The average powerlifter looks better than the average aesthetic lifter because the average aesthetic is one of those idiots you see doing low intensity 3x10 machine chest press and bicep curl because they watched an alpha male YouTube video and want to be the """swole"" guy at their wagie job. Powerlifters at least lift with some intensity because they're working towards concrete, measurable goals and following programs.
>powershitter cope
Nah, he's right. Proper programming is key to success. Curlbros don't understand programming, and I continue to see the same noodle arm guys benching 3x10 115 lbs and never making progress. Meanwhile, the strength enjoyer will be benching 225 lbs+ and look like it.
Programming literally doesn't matter unless you're an elite athlete. Just lift.
I used to be just like you.
I used to be just like you, wondering why my body was toast doing PPLPPLx with 120+sets per week.
Bill Starr's 5x5 is a good starting point for recoverable volume. Once you've run a decent program, you'll have a much better sense for what needs tweaking. Madcow is great volume for my legs, but the upper body volume isn't enough. Ok, now I add 1-2 back off sets for bench and reassess how I feel and what sort of progress I'm making.
Your average novice weightlifter is banging out sets in the gym with no idea what they're doing. I know because I see them everyday and it's exactly how I wasted my first 2 years in the gym.
curlbros who have been training hard for 5 years don't bench 115lbs for 3x10 and don't have small arms, you're delusional af
>The average aesthetic weightlifter not only looks like shit but is only slightly stronger than the average DYEL scrub. Posters who attack powerlifting conveniently ignore the fact that 95%+ of natty guys who lift purely for aesthetics never accomplish anything even close to an aesthetic physique. Ok fine, there are some amateur powerlifters who don't take the sport seriously, never cut, have no weight class in mind and use lifting as an excuse to bloatmaxx. Those people would have just been regular fatasses without powerlifting anyway. Now what about all the guys I see packing every commercial gym that are skynnyfat with nothing but puffed up biceps? That's your average aesthetic lifter. Something like picrel is the best case scenario for most normie guys who lift without any purpose other than to "look swole bro." No legs, dumb looking curlbro arms, no strength, not evenly developed etc. Just straight garbage, and this is better than most guys I see in the gym. Zyzz type guys are roidmaxed outliers. The average powerlifter looks better than the average aesthetic lifter because the average aesthetic is one of those idiots you see doing low intensity 3x10 machine chest press and bicep curl because they watched an alpha male YouTube video and want to be the """swole"" guy at their wagie job. Powerlifters at least lift with some intensity because they're working towards concrete, measurable goals and following programs.
he's essentially just made up a long way of saying "people with no goals make no gains" and you disagreed with him
>Top middle photo is a group of visibly strong looking young men who have not only gotten in shape but found good friends with their powerlifting hobby
>Rightmost photo looks better than 95%+ of guys lifting for aesthetics (does he powerlift though? Who knows?)
>Both photos on the left convey no useful information
>Bottom middle photos are two strong guys having a good lift
Wow powerlifters absolutely BTFO
What is it about powerlifting that attracts so many freaks? Is it because powerlifting is for nerds, lazy people and dropouts? Too heavy to do calisthenics, too weak to do strongman. Not athletic enough for rugby or martial arts, not good looking enough for bodybuilding, powerlifting simply attracts weaklings. Powerlifting appeals to nerds in school who did no sports and suddenly think that by being a GOMAD fatso and doing shitty ROM benches on shitty post SS routine that they're an elite athlete. They hate bodybuilders for looking better than them, for not being a nerd who cares about 1 pound added on bench press variation number 246. That's why there is a most reprehensible powerlifting "look". Bald or balding, in glasses or with scraggly beard, "bacon and barbells" t shirt barely covering their disgusting gut, red long socks covering skinny calves, all kinds of stupid gear, lifting belts and bench shirts and wrist wraps and useless minutia strapped to their narrow but overweight frames, powerlifting truly is a "sport", if it can be called one, for the dead ends of society.
Im a normal guy who does powerlifting with a few bodybuilding movements added in. It has taken me from weak skeleton to this physique and greater athletic ability which I’m pretty proud of. Maybe if you spent some more time in the gym and less time posting demotivational shitposts you would be willing to post body too and we could all have a good time here.
>They hate bodybuilders for looking better than them
Pretty sure no one on earth thinks bodybuilders look good except for extreme gay muscle fetishists and other bodybuilders.
>Pretty sure no one on earth thinks bodybuilders look good except for extreme gay muscle fetishists and other bodybuilders.
Classic bodybuilders look good. They became gross looking after Frank Zane and Arnold. Lee Haney was pushing it and by Dorian Yates they looked fully disgusting.
This is unequivocaly true. Actually having a goal and structured program = more gains than "feeling the contraction" and all the other bullshit.
Is SS becoming popular again? I hope we don’t enter the “Shut up and Skwat” era again.
t. leglet
Why is it that all the people who do SS have such pathetic facial hair?
This is not what the typical results of SS look like and you know it.
Wasted digits.
Quints of truth.
Wasted
>Wasted digits
>There are two main ways to attract women.
Wrong. There are countless ways i can flaunt my wealth.
> Starting T-Rex.
You won't develop doing the programmed official Starting Strength by any means, lmao.
It would be better just to do chin ups, pull ups and dips for bigger arms.
fricking kek at homosexuals who still think three simple arbitrary movements are some universal feats of strength while they have little bearing on actual performance in real life situations or athletic performance
to be strong means to be strong in many types of movements and ss gives you nothing but an illusion of strength, it would be reasonable to say it's good for powerlifting beginners, but saying it makes you STRONGER than less minimalistic programs is delusion and these people get reality-check'd hard whenever they do anything else than barbell squats
You all are morons. Dude looks fine. All he needs to do is 15 minutes of curls 3 times per week and 15 minutes of firect tricep work 3 times per week and youd all be calling him "huge"
6 weeks of a modest, two pound per week "cut" and you'd be be calling him "aesthetic"
I can squat 325lbs and my legs are 24", are they small for my strength level?
>the Starting Strength aesthetics?
fat with no upper body muscle?
The problem is that the chest, back, and shoulders usually lag, and the ass and legs explode. It can be an awkward phase, no doubt. It isn't until you're putting up much bigger numbers that things even out like picrel.
Given SS is just a beginner routine, most people switch routines before the pear-body transitions into the ultimate dad-bod over time; and then they shit on SS because they did GOMAD as an endomorph.
Anyone considering SS should definitely do the version of the program that includes pullups and dips for added back and chest volume.
If Bartelby were alive today he'd 100% be a neet and probably poster here
I’ve never seen anyone who looked good from SS so that means it’s a bad program
>Does it just look too masculine and big for the generally feminised
Just the opposite, actually. Powershitters look fat and weak.