Guys who train from spreadsheets, have calorie counting algorithms, Kanban boards for their progression, etc. Obsession with optimization, terminology, metastudies. Everything laden with an aura of the scientific. Programs are written
It's so sterile and nerdy. When did it go from a bunch of bros with workout routines in their Notes app to wispy, rock-climbing software developers sharing programs written with Emacs?
I hate normies. Most people are lazy, stupid and just plain pussies, a nice looking app makes it more approachable and cool. Same reason why crossfit is poplar.
I see nothing wrong with optimization, it's important for strength gainz and longetivity.
>rock-climbing software developers sharing programs written with Emacs
Real Emacs users don't need external programs or spreadsheets, they have Emacs. Which begs the question: when did software development culture become so Reddit? When did it go from a bunch of bearded motherfrickers hacking away till 5 in the morning for the pure joy of it to a buch of rock-climbing homosexuals trying to optimize their life and whatever's left of their free time after they leave the sterile office of Shekleberg Corporation, where they write fricking JavaScript in Emacs purely as a fashion statement?
>When did it go from a bunch of bearded motherfrickers hacking away till 5 in the morning for the pure joy of it to a buch of rock-climbing homosexuals trying to optimize their life and whatever's left of their free time
Once the bearded nerd starts to get paid good $$$ they realize that there much more to life than just hacking
Nah. Once the bearded nerds started to get paid good $$$, an army of normies rushed to enter the field purely for the money, despite having zero actual interest in it. Nerds keep nerding away in their basements, while everyone and their mom is taking some shit courses to "become programmes" because it's such a "comfy job" (which it isn't, BTW).
Not him, but that's what happened to me. Started for the joy only, wanted to do something else for work. Ended up taking a job out of necessity and now I make better $$$ than I ever could with anything else. But I don't enjoy it anymore, and I don't want to touch code in my free time
>Waaaaaa I'm bad at math
I never did it for the joy of it but I also avoid redditscript like the plague. I do it because it pays a ton of money. I have no passion for my job but I could do it for 40 hours a week indefinitely
It's an incredibly comfy job
But it works. It's moronic yes, because even though they are technically right they spent 100x the time an ape moron who trains compounds until "me tired" and 400 bucks of workout apparel and belts and shoes and sleeves, they will only achieve a 5% better result if that. But it does work.
It didn't become more Reddit, it became more mainstream. That's what happens when you have enough code monkeys and make enough money to specialize. Now you don't have one guy autistically optimizing 8086 assembly for a primitive ray casted pseudo-3D flight sim game, you have hundreds of devs specializing in one obscure part of the codebase of a 100k LOC private repo so they can earn GBP with their techlead and get another 2 week paid vacation.
if you say this then you have no right to complain about an obese population
be glad these people are lifting in the first place
Seriously the more fit and jacked I get the more unhealthy and disgusting and fat I realize the vast majority of everyone are becoming, and OP already is
Tracking and planning volume is the single best way to progress. Stay small.
>Spreadsheet
Not everyone uses Google sheets to track their progress?
>Rock-climbing software developers sharing program written with emacs
I'm vim guy but this is based
>I'm vim guy
>the fisher price version of vi
I unironically track my fricking lifting progress in emacs.
Fite me.
So do I, in org-mode.
Based!
I don't use org-mode though, frick all those cusom property drawers. I straight up use JSON.
It's the difference between Ancients (gym bros) and Philosophes (nerds). Bioscience works because gym bros believe it will. All basedance says the once a week body split does nothing. All basedance says half the supplements meatheads take are pointless. Yet you've got dudes walking around with 20" arms. It's alchemy. It's placebo meme magic. Call it whatever you want.
That's how it used to be here before you fricking subhumans came in.
IST used to be overwhelmingly high IQ autistic people and we deployed a blunt analytic approach to problem solving. We were never like Reddit but we sure were massive fricking nerds.
Now all of you fricking midwit normies have come in and the decline in IQ and autism on these boards is palpable.
The difference between IST and Reddit isn't that they're nerds and we're intuitive chad-magnons. The difference between IST and Reddit is that they're highly agreeable and we're highly disagreeable. We're both massive fricking nerds (although we are the kind of nerd that sits alone behind the shed down on the oval during lunch whereas they are the kind of nerd who plays yu-ghi-oh in the library with his nerd friends).
>"i-i'm not a nerd"
THEN FRICK OFF NORMALhomosexual.
Gym rats have always had a demographic within them that are detail obsessed, OCD weirdo's with hard on's for optimizing and maximizing every small detail and variable.
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>Gym rats have always had a demographic within them that are detail obsessed, OCD weirdo's with hard on's for optimizing and maximizing every small detail and variable.
This, more or less, but
>When did it go from a bunch of bros with workout routines in their Notes app to wispy, rock-climbing software developers sharing programs written with Emacs?
It's because a lot of nerdy programmers want to spend a lot of time farting around with spreadsheets and not a lot of time lifting fricking heavy weights. For the vast majority of them, their time would be better spent just picking up heavier shit in the gym consistently, but that actually involves effort. They can feel just as good autistically obsessing over a spreadsheet, as if it somehow will guarantee their fitness.
It's the same problem across a lot of Reddit, really. They can't just start off small, they gotta burn countless hours trying to find ~the best~ way to do something and not actually doing the thing. For example, they'll decide to get into coffee and spend 10 hours researching coffee machines instead of, you know, sitting down and drinking some coffee to figure out if they even like it.
This is something IST does a lot when it comes to beginner programs, and to a lesser extent getting girls. The best program for most beginners is "any popular program that gets you into the gym for the number of days you want to be in there". The best dating advice for /LULZ/ emigrants is "anything, anywhere, that gets you talking to girls your age"
M8 I could program my own notes app, on which I'd program my own fitness tracking app, through which I'd create a perfectly optimized workout routine, all within the time it takes your powershitting ass to rest between sets.
>create muh perfectly optimized workout routine, all within the time it takes your powershitting ass to rest between sets
And in 3 years you'll still by a weak, DYEL vegan homosexual with a 30" chest, no back or legs. If only your results were "optimized."
>Gym rats have always had a demographic within them that are detail obsessed, OCD weirdo's with hard on's for optimizing and maximizing every small detail and variable.
And they always look the same. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen these 150lb Ian mccarthy looking mfers trying to explain how to "optimally" press dumbbells.
>Thing is, doing it in a spreadsheet makes it gay, effete, and reddit.
Exactly. I've got log books from the past 15 years. Couldn't imagine pressing buttons on a phone and entering reps of sets into a fricking app or goddamn spreadsheet.
>>Gym rats have always had a demographic within them that are detail obsessed, OCD weirdo's with hard on's for optimizing and maximizing every small detail and variable.
>And they always look the same. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen these 150lb Ian mccarthy looking mfers trying to explain how to "optimally" press dumbbells.
not exactly.. https://www.youtube.com/user/VigorousSteve
I'm not here because I'm a nerd, I'm actually pretty well off, I'm here to leak nude photos of my exes gradually over time. We are not the same.
Blessed post.
Based and gradual decline of all that is beautifull pilled
Based and trithpulled
this is what happens when you tell a bunch of stem nerds to lift... like what exactly did you think would happen, that they'd turn into frat boys or something? lol
I'd say it started with Rippetoe who made barbell training accessible to average joes back when youtube fitness was mostly broscience
Then submax training was getting more popular, with 531, gzcl, Sheiko and others which started the spreadsheet obsession
Now we have RPE and science based training which attracts all the soi lifters who need to min/max everything
>why do people use spreadsheets to record a bunch of numbers
Truly one of the biggest mysteries of our times.
I really enjoyed doing nsuns, just takes too long when I moved to lifting in the morning before work
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Technique based society. Everything that can be optimized will be through technical advancement. Read the Technical Society for more information.
>Technique based society
nah, its RPG based nerdy shit. people who do this crap are min/maxing their body like a fricking RPG character
yet the biggest guys still follow the
>just lift lmao
routine with generous portions of chicken rice and broccoli
>Making spreadsheets is Reddit now
I fricking hate this board.
It's powershitter influence and even that shit doesn't actually do anything. If you're not genetically gifted you'll still get stuck on that shit just like anything else while genetically gifted people can do whatever and get gains. I know one that's popular is made by a redditor that dedicated his life to powerlifting and he's still only a 1200 total. Plus, if you just went into the gym and bodybuild while focusing on trying to do better each session you wouldn't have the powershitter thunderthighs and 14" arms they all get. It seems like the eternal reddit powerlifter (who actually wants to be a bodybuilder) seems to think that only powerlifters invented the hard science of writing down what you did that day and trying to beat it next time.
Also, $$$ selling programming.
>Actually just wants to be a bodybuilder and look good naked
>Gets sucked into powerlifting culture, only does powerlifting routines, too attached to his numbers
What causes this and why is it so common?
Big number = Big likes on TikTok
>Hey, guys can anybody recommend me a good bodybuilding routine for beginners
>IST: ...
>Do the same for strength training
>*20 people are trying to sell you on their program of choice*
i think you're overthinking it. you can apply as much to programming and lifting as you want. if its your thing to just rock up and do whatever you feel, sure, but it's not close to an 'optimal' workout for making strength or size gains. it's just something people do. tracking lifts absolutely makes sense for applying basic principles like progressive overload jfc
How the frick are you supposed to progress otherwise.
This is stuff people have been doing for decades, except of instead of spreadsheets they would write it on paper.
How are you supposed to track your progress?
Thing is, doing it in a spreadsheet makes it gay, effete, and reddit.
Black person :
>week 1: x weight
>week 2: weight goes up, more reps
Here you go : progress
because the less work you do on a day-to-day basis the easiest is to keep up with it
I use a notebook and do the same lifts every day.
It's working out pretty well.
Dude, if you know what Emacs is... I think your projecting
>taking notes more efficaciously is bad
Why are IST posters of late trying to portray themselves as luddites? Do you know where you are? Are you lost?
Good thread
Unironically one of the best threads on IST that I've seen in a while.