When did you realize a stimulus is a stimulus and that no lift is *necessary*?

When did you realize a stimulus is a stimulus and that no lift is *necessary*?

I stopped squatting a while ago because of chronic back and knee pain. Before that I cycled through all the popular powerbuilding routines, now I have just been hitting moderate to high rep leg presses, extensions, curls, and calf raises. Gains like I haven’t had in years.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unfortunate.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    crazy looking legs bro
    I am jelly

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's the cycle? What would you recommend to a beginner cycler?

      miring, but its impossible to find jeans that fit with legs like these. the chafing also sucks. personally prefer slimmer quads.

      those aren't his legs, stop being naive, you're a gornw ass man falling for the simplest of larps what's wrong with you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good point. Counterpoint:

        >high rep leg presses, extensions, curls, and calf raises

        Thats literally my leg days

        Leg Press, 20+ rep sets, I just keep adding a plate on each side until I fail to get 20 reps

        Seated Calf Raises after that

        Then finish off with Hamstring Curls & Quad Extensions superset

        Also best leg gains doing that and ive been lifting for 20+ years

        Almost what I do re: leg press, warm up adding plates for sets of 20. I’ll get down to 8-15 though for the work sets, I have a heavy day (8-10 reps) and another light day (12-15 reps) later in the week. Back pain is almost gone, I used to take 800mg of ibuprofen before leg days just to get through squatting 500+lbs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I used to take 800mg of ibuprofen before leg days just to get through squatting 500+lbs.
          that's moronic
          and yes all the shit you listed is of course better for sheer hypertrophy
          the thing is most people won't learn how to use their lower body with good efficiency and actually push themselves if they never learned how to squat and get to at least 3pl8 for a couple of reps without embarrassing form

          you probably upped your dose too

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I agree, which is why I stopped doing it. I was lifting out of a powerlifting gym with a reputable coach, form was acceptable, back and knees were just shot from working in a steel mill for years.

            >”probably upped the dose too”
            Yes, I was originally on 1000mg every 3 months.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I used to take 800mg of ibuprofen before leg days just to get through squatting 500+lbs
          this is why you niw have bigger legs. nsaids are very bad for muscle and tendon growth.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            -_-
            Explain how. I want you to tell me how they impact muscle & tendon growth.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              inflammation is part of the body's healing process, if you shut it down you won't recover properly

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you natty? I high bar squat and front squat a combined 4-5 times on avg and have okay numbers but my legs are no where that big. Chasing numbers so I don't mind but was just curious since my legs are usually bigger than most peoples from all the lower body

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do people seriously find legs like this attractive? To me they just look repulsive, they look like fat tumors and good luck finding pants that will be confortable in those. It's the reason why I only do legs once a week and even then I skip some because my legs are already fairly big but I wouldn't ever want to have legs like this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is a cope, the same as women who say “I don’t lift weights because I’m worried about getting bulky.” Normies who think they have big legs typically don’t, legs like OPs take years of dedicated training to develop, maybe decades.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do people seriously find legs like this attractive? To me they just look repulsive, they look like fat tumors and good luck finding pants that will be confortable in those. It's the reason why I only do legs once a week and even then I skip some because my legs are already fairly big but I wouldn't ever want to have legs like this.

          That's a false equivalence, sure it takes years to develop your legs to that point but there is also a point at which your legs are out of proportion to the rest of your body

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the cycle? What would you recommend to a beginner cycler?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    miring, but its impossible to find jeans that fit with legs like these. the chafing also sucks. personally prefer slimmer quads.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >high rep leg presses, extensions, curls, and calf raises

    Thats literally my leg days

    Leg Press, 20+ rep sets, I just keep adding a plate on each side until I fail to get 20 reps

    Seated Calf Raises after that

    Then finish off with Hamstring Curls & Quad Extensions superset

    Also best leg gains doing that and ive been lifting for 20+ years

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      oh yeh, and also back/knee pain free.

      I always had back/knee pain doing squats & deadlfts for 15+ years but I just kept doing them because I thought I had to do them

      All the pain I had disappeared when I dropped those lifts and just did the Leg Press/Calf Raise/Leg Curl/Extension combo + gained all the best leg hypertophy I have ever had doing so

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seated or standing calf raises? Or both?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda but its not that simple. The fact that I can bench 160kg is what enables me to use 2x if not 3x heavier weight on my db incline press and other chest isolation movements. For the longest time I shied away from heavy lifting and thats when I was perma stuck spamming bodybuilding hypertrophy for zero gains using baby weights. Using 50kg for 12 reps builds a lot more muscle than 25kg for 12 reps with similar rom, speed, etc. Im not arguing for 2-3 heavy reps with zero form. Im arguing for having 1-2 mass/strength building staples in your program and then the rest is isolation/hypertrophy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good point, getting my squat above 500lbs probably gave me a good foundation to get meaningful stimuli out of machine and isolation movements that I wouldn’t have had if I had just started with the movements.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    natty?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1000mg of test undecanoate every 8wks.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >When did you realize a stimulus is a stimulus and that no lift is *necessary*?
    I dont remember but I hold the same thoughts. I really like quarter repping with a frick ton of weight nowadays
    stimulus stays the same with the benefits of cns, tendons and bones strengthening.
    I like partials in general, long length, short length, they all benefit me more than full rom does

  10. 1 month ago
    sage

    Yea okay but thats not you, so why post a picture of someone who isn't you?

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >leg presses, extensions, curls, and calf raises
    All of these are lifts btw, you dumb ex powershitter

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Opposite experience for me, my legs never had much growth until I ditched bodybuilding shit for 3x/week squats. No pain tho so I dunno

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >brainrotten powershitter understand hyperthrophy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Pajeetadyel Noliftsanh weighs in

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick cares about leg gains outside of just not having total chicken legs, other than literal homosexuals? e.g. only art for homosexuals have men with big legs and glutes, muscular men generally have slim legs in every sexualized depiction of men aimed at women. the point of squats and deadlifts is to get strong in the most important lower body movement patterns that translate to your overall strength and athleticism. you don't have to do lowbar/highbar, but you need some kind of squat that feels natural to you, e.g. safety bar, box, front squat. the real issue is how to get good at squats without overdeveloped legs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't get overdeveloped legs from being good at squatting and deadlifting, you get them from doing the machine/cable based exercises that OP does

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they still grow much faster than the upper body, despite me being much better at upper body lifts strength-wise, at least in my case

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My quads started looking better when I swap to high rep shit too. Not as good as yours but I was getting tired of getting calf-mogged by sprinters and turns out it works.

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