When to start using a belt?

I know the real answer is whenever you feel like, but I am unsure.
30 year old boomer returning to lifter, I have an old custom made quality powerlifting belt lying around from my powerbloating glory days in my late teens/early 20's. This was before heavy compound training was mainstream, you had to order from small leather speciality shops if you wanted good stuff back then. As far as I remember it helped me a lot. The sizing on the belt is inscribed by hand, otherwise it's completely plain with no branding which I think is pretty cool.
My plan right now is to start using it at 2pl+ squats and 3pl+ deadlift working sets, I am not far off after 4 months back at a much lower BW than before but it's starting to feel heavy. I could probably speed up regaining strength if I started using it right away.
What are the benefits of lifting completely raw as long as possible? Once you put the belt on, I feel like you will be stuck with it for the rest of time while getting stronger, if mostly for psychological reasons.
>picture isn't my belt but it looks similar

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lifting completely raw
    Having to have your bracing be on point, but that can be your weakness(low bar squats, deadlifts, ohp).
    I always heard you can brace better with a belt, that to me means it helps you brace, so you can lift heavier weights easier, but train the core less when doing so(not sure could be bullshit).

    I would use it when you want to. Say On your last set of squats your low back is PUMPED and you really want to dl/rdl. Wear it.

    I don't wear one and go up to 315 for FAHVES without a belt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >train the core less when doing so
      >not sure could be bullshit
      It is. It's your core bracing into the belt that creates more intra-abdominal pressure to support more weight. The more weight you are loading through your core the more you are stressing those muscles. Whether you brace with or without a belt you are going to train your core and it will get stronger. It's really not something you need to worry about and comes down to personally lifting preference. If you plan on competing a belt will only help.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I always heard you can brace better with a belt
      Yeah that is the entire point. You need to be able to brace good regardless. A belt just adds x amount of kilos because you attain more rigidity/stability by bracing against the belt.

      >is whenever you feel like
      No the real answer is when you've learnt to brace correctly and it's second nature.
      >Once you put the belt on, I feel like you will be stuck with it
      a lot of powershitters will use belts for their main lift and do beltless accessories and rotate in beltess mainlifts in off season/volume blocks.

      This I know, never had lower back pain. It's actually the one part I never tweaked while lifting, had mild issues/injuries in knees, wrists, shoulders etc but never lower back.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >is whenever you feel like
    No the real answer is when you've learnt to brace correctly and it's second nature.
    >Once you put the belt on, I feel like you will be stuck with it
    a lot of powershitters will use belts for their main lift and do beltless accessories and rotate in beltess mainlifts in off season/volume blocks.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    whenever you wear pants with a belt loop. unless you are a fatty and jeans/pants fit tight around your waist.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Use it whenever you want. I got to 4pl8 squat and 5pl8 deadlift without a belt doing tons of volume. It's whatever you'd like.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you don't know how to brace then you'd prob need it otherwise no need but be sure to buy a decent belt and not some cheap shit

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is everyone here obsessed with wearing thick leather dog collars?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When you can lift a decent amount of weight and have built up your core. When you cant make anymore progress and plateau on strength gains.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when i lift and get towards the higher weights (usually last set territory), my circulatory system kinda sucks (maybe because i'm tall?). so if i struggled with my second to last set i will usually put on a belt. the additional constriction seems to make sure more blood is available for my head, so i don't pass out. also helps me when i bang out squats, during the last sets. sometimes i can't properly push with my legs anymore so i do the thing where you lift the hips a little and then somewhat use your back strength to move the weight up. don't want to wreck my back when i do that and the belt really helps with back stability.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wearing a belt and getting a good inhale before lifting stops the spine from compressing

    I'm at 3+/4/5+ and squat and deadlift heavy every 3-5 days so I warm up to a 3pl8 squat and the wear a belt for every set above that

    Depending on how that goes, I might leave the belt on for a 3pl8 dl starter, or if I'm feeling good I might pull 4pl8 without a belt
    I always wear it above 4pl8 dl tho

    I use a belt like I use straps, I always warmup without and then use on my big sets so I don't have any odd variables

    A belt is still considered raw in the big federations soooo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I should mention that if I don't wear a belt on my top sets, the compression can be almost debilitating if I have to work sitting down after.
      I'll be fine sitting down in an office chair and then all the sudden, hours later, my back goes from relaxed and pain free to feeling a full ache that builds fairly quickly into a big hurt. I stand up and it goes away so it's just compression
      I also weigh 300lbs and am fairly lean (under 18% BF) so I could likely stand to rebuild my glutes to my bbing glory days lmaoooo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >300 lbs lean
        >can’t even squat 5 plates

        Sure buddy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a belt is considered raw enough, at least. olivia reeves (oly lifting) goes in without a belt, knee sleeves or wrist wraps and is probably the rawest dogger out there, only gets outlifted by confirmed "ex-"varbies (sadly she lowkey kinda ugly but hey). is it possible if you just never use a belt to get on the level of a belter?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You should never use a belt. It's just stupid. If you can't do something with a belt compressing your mid section, just don't do it. Whatever strength you build using it does not translate to anything. When you start using a belt, you start chasing numbers, not strength and athletic perfomance.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      without*

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think there is a point where a belt can help you push past a strength plateau and help you get stronger.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do realize that if your belted numbers go up, it's basically guaranteed that your unbelted numbers will go up as well, right? Fucking retarded dyels, I swear.

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