who cares what women want, even if you lift solely for female attention you only want to appeal to those you deem attractive, not women as a whole because women as a whole are fricking ugly.
Left because he's above 5'7". David is an uberchad
Based
>Ottermode
vs >Ottermode with more muscularity
Anybody saying right is moronic, left has all the advantages without the drawbacks, the reason women love right is because he's lean, but left is same amount of lean with more muscle.
okay, but the point is that it's what powershitters call "ottermode" with the muscularity of bodybuilders
It's not bodybuilder mode so i can't call it that.
Based
Of course I care what women think as a single man. I make a lot of decisions for myself, but I also think of more opportunity with women if I improve a part of my life. If I get a haircut, of course I think about female attention.
? I am in a relationship for 3 years why would I care what random women think?? You guys are worse than linkedin career fanatics who constantly wonder what the boss thinks. Frick that
who cares what women want, even if you lift solely for female attention you only want to appeal to those you deem attractive, not women as a whole because women as a whole are fricking ugly.
who cares what women want, even if you lift solely for female attention you only want to appeal to those you deem attractive, not women as a whole because women as a whole are fricking ugly.
What this guy said. David laid isn’t even close to freakishly big when you see him in a T-shirt next to other guys. He looks better than right because his shoulders are wider. Wide shoulders make a huge difference and if anything right is on the narrow side
Correct. This is the right take. You can get away with a lot more in a shirt if you have extremely wide shoulders. You'll instantly look like you lift even if you don't.
Anybody saying right is moronic, left has all the advantages without the drawbacks, the reason women love right is because he's lean, but left is same amount of lean with more muscle.
>same amount of lean with more muscle
which they dislike
after a point (more than guy on the right) you should be less lean the more muscle you have
here's a chart: >lot's of muscle and low leanness but not fat = attractive >low muscle but not skinny and high leanness = attractive >lot's muscle but lot's of fat = ugly >lot's of muscle sub-12% = ugly (looks insecure and ridiculous, unless you're henry cavill) >no muscle no fat = mid, loved by teenage girls and pedophiles >fat = ugly (but can be comfortable for some narcissistic and insecure girls who like feeling small)
you want to be muscular with an outline of abs but above 15%, preferably near 20 as long as you don't have love handles and b***h breasts >you should be moderately big but look natural
>same amount of lean with more muscle
which they dislike
after a point (more than guy on the right) you should be less lean the more muscle you have
here's a chart: >lot's of muscle and low leanness but not fat = attractive >low muscle but not skinny and high leanness = attractive >lot's muscle but lot's of fat = ugly >lot's of muscle sub-12% = ugly (looks insecure and ridiculous, unless you're henry cavill) >no muscle no fat = mid, loved by teenage girls and pedophiles >fat = ugly (but can be comfortable for some narcissistic and insecure girls who like feeling small)
you want to be muscular with an outline of abs but above 15%, preferably near 20 as long as you don't have love handles and b***h breasts >you should be moderately big but look natural
>pic related is the definition and size most women find most attractive
2 years ago
Anonymous
what definition, he doesn't have any.
>they don't, he cuts water for his movie scens and still looks like a bloated ogre, he's probably the worst example you could've possibly taken.
he still gets mad pussy, so what's the point of lifting if all it takes is his body and charisma to get laid
not because of his body, they like him because his face is incredibly good on top of that.
he's actually a good example if you want to talk about what's naturally achievable for most guys, because his frame is dogshit, he's unable to maintain low bodyfat, and his proportions have never been good at any point of his life, his clavicles are so narrow he has to permanently walk bend over like an ogre to make himself seem wider than he actually is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He actually does have crap shoulder width, damn. Kind of a whitepill
2 years ago
Anonymous
a lot of them do, they're not as far above average in terms of baseline as people assume they are, most of them only got their face going for them.
norfman has the same issue, narrow build and has to walk like this to seem wide, isn't actually wide.
>they don't, he cuts water for his movie scens and still looks like a bloated ogre, he's probably the worst example you could've possibly taken.
he still gets mad pussy, so what's the point of lifting if all it takes is his body and charisma to get laid
2 years ago
Anonymous
>body and charisma
you mean being tall, having an attractive face, being a millionaire, and being popular
This guy looks awesome. Barrel chested broad shouldered ideal masculine look
The truth is that unless these guys were standing next to each other, no one who doesn't lift would know the difference. As far as they're concerned, if you have abs you're ripped and that's it.
I like men with incredibly overdeveloped legs that are way too big for their arms. I also hate seeing men do cardio, so ideally he'd only really be capable of exerting himself for a few minutes at a time. Finally, his skin should be bright red at all times from niacin.
I like men with incredibly overdeveloped legs that are way too big for their arms. I also hate seeing men do cardio, so ideally he'd only really be capable of exerting himself for a few minutes at a time. Finally, his skin should be bright red at all times from niacin.
>tfw want to post body because i’m proud of my progress (and then to be called dyel by IST) but some Black person got my ip range blocked from uploading images
Oh shit I have exactly the same muscle insertions and body structure. You don't look like shit tho. Probably would look better if you cut some fat and maybe body shave is not your ting w these insertions aka chest gap and not very defined abs like I have too. (But I have shitty not dense body hair, so I trim them too but that is for now)
Tho how old is you and for how long and since what age have you started to lift?
>avid nature enjoyer >take a stroll through a beautiful patch of fauna >enjoy the serenity of the pond nearby >feeling myself and nature become one >feels good to finally get away from all the troubles in the world >on the top of my spiritual and emotional high I encounter a raging homosexual and his boyfriend taking topless pictures on a wooden bridge
I don't think their preference would matter, pretty sure their would quite happy with both. But optimal is to have something in between. Very lean, but more muscular than on the right without using steroids like on the left
Post physique. I have yet to see ONE delusional moron on here post physique after their ‘it’s so easy to be sub 12% bodyfat and be ottermode’ posts. Pro tip for you fricking morons getting on gear as a twink will not make you David laid.
God please spend more time in the gym and less time on IST
The reason right is so emaciated is precisely because he's not on roids and is sub 10% bodyfat.
God please spend more time in the gym and less time on IST
The reason right is so emaciated is precisely because he's not on roids and is sub 10% bodyfat.
Lmao yet another delusional moron. Post physique then. Do you look ANYTHING like the right? No. You don’t. If it’s so easy why do you look like shit then
Post physique. I have yet to see ONE delusional moron on here post physique after their ‘it’s so easy to be sub 12% bodyfat and be ottermode’ posts. Pro tip for you fricking morons getting on gear as a twink will not make you David laid. [...]
>no body posted.
over for you, genelet.
Whole lot of cope and seethe here. I won't post body now because I don't have any updated pictures. I'm 6'3" and have never not had visible abs my whole life. How's that for genelet? Nothing to prove to you anyway bud, heading to the gym where you should be.
Post physique. I have yet to see ONE delusional moron on here post physique after their ‘it’s so easy to be sub 12% bodyfat and be ottermode’ posts. Pro tip for you fricking morons getting on gear as a twink will not make you David laid. [...]
Depends on the woman. Also a big factor is gonna be whether the face matches up with the body.
I'm gonna say 60% prefer right while the other 40% prefer left. Left's pecs are "too big" but a lot of girls really like big delts/arms
The truth is that unless these guys were standing next to each other, no one who doesn't lift would know the difference. As far as they're concerned, if you have abs you're ripped and that's it.
Neither. Women aren't like men who base all their attraction on who is more aesthetically beautiful in the femanon sense. She'd be more attracted to the one with higher status, social skills, she would base it on face, other personality quirks and maybe even masculinity apart from looks. For men if you put two girls together you can clearly see who you're more attracted too because of their physical attractiveness to you from a glance. Women are different, their attraction is a bit more complex.
Not to mention, girls don't want some ken doll who cares too much about bodyfat and abs. Girls want a man to be a man, not some anorexic dude who In a vain attempt to appear more delicious to the opposite sex, chased femanon beauty much too far who treats having abs and good skin as the most important aspect of his life, unless he's a movie star.
They don't care. You only need to be athletic and lean to get girls. There's no point of going bigger unless you you have perfect genetics and bone structure like daivid laid. If you do you won't look aesthetic and you'll have those "gross muscles " girls don't like
Estonians aren't slavic, they're finno-ugric, like the finns. He could be russian, since he speaks the language and there's many of them in Estonia, but Laid isn't a russian name.
They don't see it, but they absolutely perceive it in real life. Strength is the most predictive criteria for sexual selection in humans, and the un-masculinized brain is actually even more adept at detecting it and its absence, through sight and subtler cues
right
EXSR FPWP
girls under 18 prefer right, everyone else prefers left
>Caring about what women think
NGMI
literally me
Left because he's above 5'7". David is an uberchad
Based
Post body moron
What did i say wrong?
David Laid is not ottermode
okay, but the point is that it's what powershitters call "ottermode" with the muscularity of bodybuilders
It's not bodybuilder mode so i can't call it that.
It's actually a compliment you moron.
>replays conversations in his head with women from years ago
No, I just don't obsess over making women like me because I'm not a virgin and I can talk to them
Need to add in
>says he doesn't care what women think
>whenever one of them looks at him he spills spaghetti
Is there some sort of middle ground between not constantly devoting your every waking thought and effort to scoring pussy and this?
>is there some sort of middle ground
no fence sitters are gay
You WILL be extremist
You WILL deal only in absolutes
You WILL like it
I don't know what half these things are. Still don't care what women think.
Based
Of course I care what women think as a single man. I make a lot of decisions for myself, but I also think of more opportunity with women if I improve a part of my life. If I get a haircut, of course I think about female attention.
Things that are correct
>below 6 ft
>zero matches
That's it. Oh, and I have never used a dating app.
And If I dont care about what women thinks because I'm a gay ?
the only thing that's accurate is that I have zero matches because I don't use OLD
Painfully accurate
>no "I'm gay" option
You have nothing on me.
Nice one
? I am in a relationship for 3 years why would I care what random women think?? You guys are worse than linkedin career fanatics who constantly wonder what the boss thinks. Frick that
Normally these soijacks always remind me of myself but thank god that i couldnt relate this time. Maybe its not too late for me
The image that destroyed IST
literal incel logic
you will never have sex
keep worrying about what they think lol
ily anon
you can have my virginity anon that will cheer you up!
Give me 10 years anon. I'll get better.
Idon'tcarewhatwomenthinkposters absolutely btfo
>zero matches
heh, at least I get some troons to throw me some likes
t. virgin powerlifter
What does a boob feel like?
Like bags of sand.
like salty milk and pennies
depends on the tit and size, but like a water balloon. they're surprisingly "liquid" feeling.
Like a bag of sand
>caring about the opinion of the gender that will determine if you procreate or not
yeah dude just keep being delusional I'm sure that will work out for you
at what age did you lose your virginity?
who cares what women want, even if you lift solely for female attention you only want to appeal to those you deem attractive, not women as a whole because women as a whole are fricking ugly.
The one who doesn't post naked guys on IST
Who fricking cares? Holy shit.
left
Women can't tell the difference between the two options because all they can visually process is fat distribution and silhouette.
They will say right, but actually go for left
What this guy said. David laid isn’t even close to freakishly big when you see him in a T-shirt next to other guys. He looks better than right because his shoulders are wider. Wide shoulders make a huge difference and if anything right is on the narrow side
Correct. This is the right take. You can get away with a lot more in a shirt if you have extremely wide shoulders. You'll instantly look like you lift even if you don't.
they will say right until they see the left irl
Whichever one will call her a prostitute and punch her in the throat.
>Ottermode
vs
>Ottermode with more muscularity
Anybody saying right is moronic, left has all the advantages without the drawbacks, the reason women love right is because he's lean, but left is same amount of lean with more muscle.
>same amount of lean with more muscle
which they dislike
after a point (more than guy on the right) you should be less lean the more muscle you have
here's a chart:
>lot's of muscle and low leanness but not fat = attractive
>low muscle but not skinny and high leanness = attractive
>lot's muscle but lot's of fat = ugly
>lot's of muscle sub-12% = ugly (looks insecure and ridiculous, unless you're henry cavill)
>no muscle no fat = mid, loved by teenage girls and pedophiles
>fat = ugly (but can be comfortable for some narcissistic and insecure girls who like feeling small)
you want to be muscular with an outline of abs but above 15%, preferably near 20 as long as you don't have love handles and b***h breasts
>you should be moderately big but look natural
Henry Cavill is not sub 12%.
doesn't matter if he's "achually 15%" if his muscles are so defined and protruding that he looks more ripped than he is
So he falls under
>lot's of muscle and low leanness but not fat = attractive
borderline, he's still be too muscular/too lean if he didn't have the frame and face for it
holy powershitter cope
powershitter is literally
>lot's muscle but lot's of fat
they don't, he cuts water for his movie scens and still looks like a bloated ogre, he's probably the worst example you could've possibly taken.
>pic related is the definition and size most women find most attractive
what definition, he doesn't have any.
not because of his body, they like him because his face is incredibly good on top of that.
he's actually a good example if you want to talk about what's naturally achievable for most guys, because his frame is dogshit, he's unable to maintain low bodyfat, and his proportions have never been good at any point of his life, his clavicles are so narrow he has to permanently walk bend over like an ogre to make himself seem wider than he actually is.
He actually does have crap shoulder width, damn. Kind of a whitepill
a lot of them do, they're not as far above average in terms of baseline as people assume they are, most of them only got their face going for them.
norfman has the same issue, narrow build and has to walk like this to seem wide, isn't actually wide.
>they don't, he cuts water for his movie scens and still looks like a bloated ogre, he's probably the worst example you could've possibly taken.
he still gets mad pussy, so what's the point of lifting if all it takes is his body and charisma to get laid
>body and charisma
you mean being tall, having an attractive face, being a millionaire, and being popular
This guy looks awesome. Barrel chested broad shouldered ideal masculine look
.
Absolute dyel cope
And roids
gay guys want the left. women want the right.
Why do virgins here keep saying "females"? This isn't a wildlife documentary you creep
I prefer calling them femoids or foids
When you have a body like that I don't think women care
These two body types are different?
Female here
Ronnie Coleman
>Female here
doubt.
Post breasts with time stamp or GTFO
Femanon here.
I like men with incredibly overdeveloped legs that are way too big for their arms. I also hate seeing men do cardio, so ideally he'd only really be capable of exerting himself for a few minutes at a time. Finally, his skin should be bright red at all times from niacin.
is that you, sam hyde
you shouldn't lift for anyone besides yourself, post body if you disagree.
>tfw want to post body because i’m proud of my progress (and then to be called dyel by IST) but some Black person got my ip range blocked from uploading images
>angle frauding
>more than 5 ft away from the camera
Tell me you're a DYEL homosexual, without telling me.
>no body posted.
like clockwork, troony.
I agree even though i look like crap(self image)
you look great, don't beat yourself up.
Oh shit I have exactly the same muscle insertions and body structure. You don't look like shit tho. Probably would look better if you cut some fat and maybe body shave is not your ting w these insertions aka chest gap and not very defined abs like I have too. (But I have shitty not dense body hair, so I trim them too but that is for now)
Tho how old is you and for how long and since what age have you started to lift?
>I look like crap
There's being humble and then there's being outright mentally ill
Oh its a homosexual, hey gay
>no body posted.
like clockwork, troony.
Seeing old gaylords is always so funny to me for some reason
You should watch a bb contest once in a while
This is not cbt, homosexual
Seethe more and keep taking homosexual pictures so we can laugh at them
>no body posted.
like clockwork, troony.
>Same reply twice
Seething intensifies
>avid nature enjoyer
>take a stroll through a beautiful patch of fauna
>enjoy the serenity of the pond nearby
>feeling myself and nature become one
>feels good to finally get away from all the troubles in the world
>on the top of my spiritual and emotional high I encounter a raging homosexual and his boyfriend taking topless pictures on a wooden bridge
You say that, but keep posting your dyel nerd body here in every thread. Low iq cognitive dissonance.
I’d say IRL with clothes on, Left. I think right could look a bit skinny.
right doesn't even look like he lifts without a pump in a shirt he looks emaciated
I stopped caring what women want. Guys are so much easier to come back. I tried one and got hooked. Life has been so good and easy since.
I wish I could swallow the gay pill. I'm at the point where romantically I have no real interest in women but I'm still a s straight as anything
I don't think their preference would matter, pretty sure their would quite happy with both. But optimal is to have something in between. Very lean, but more muscular than on the right without using steroids like on the left
>right isn’t on gear
Based moron
Post physique. I have yet to see ONE delusional moron on here post physique after their ‘it’s so easy to be sub 12% bodyfat and be ottermode’ posts. Pro tip for you fricking morons getting on gear as a twink will not make you David laid.
Sorry to hear your genetics suck fatty.
>no body posted.
over for you, genelet.
Why aren't you posting first? I don't want to embarrass you.
already did, waiting.
That's not you. You're talking like a dyel and you wouldn't be saying shit about it being hard to be 12% bodyfat if that were you.
I wasn't discussing anything with you, I just called you out on not posting your body
this is my only post in your discussion.
God please spend more time in the gym and less time on IST
The reason right is so emaciated is precisely because he's not on roids and is sub 10% bodyfat.
Lmao yet another delusional moron. Post physique then. Do you look ANYTHING like the right? No. You don’t. If it’s so easy why do you look like shit then
Whole lot of cope and seethe here. I won't post body now because I don't have any updated pictures. I'm 6'3" and have never not had visible abs my whole life. How's that for genelet? Nothing to prove to you anyway bud, heading to the gym where you should be.
YOU post body, moronic dyel.
already did, now post yours.
This one?
You're dyel as frick so it's no wonder to me you'd think one needs fricking steroids for the body on the right in the OP. Opinion disregarded.
still no body posted, over for you troony.
>p-p-p-p-post body
>n-n-n-n-no I won't post mine.
you are a genetic dead end, have a nice day.
Lift for longer than 1 month before posting shit here
Not a female but I'd suck off the one on the left. I'd also suck the one on the right but I'd be less happy about it.
it's literally the same guy just one is mirrored with a tan the other is after arm/chest day
lmao you're blind. One has like twice the shoulder-to-hip/waist ratio of the other.
David has like twice the mass
the one with better face genetics
Depends on the woman. Also a big factor is gonna be whether the face matches up with the body.
I'm gonna say 60% prefer right while the other 40% prefer left. Left's pecs are "too big" but a lot of girls really like big delts/arms
who cares? you won't get either
Right looks mediocre in clothes and mediocre lighting
> females
Spotted the incel
My girlfriend said 'right, because the left is like "nyeh" it starts getting to a point where it's unnatural and like hugging a brick'
When I asked her what if the one on the left hand softer definition like the one on the right and she said 'it just looks too ripped.'
Lmao my gf just said they "look the same" wtf
This is one of the many reasons women should not be allowed to drive. No depth perception or spatial awareness at all.
Right looks like an athletic guy, left looks cartoonish and bizarre.
The truth is that unless these guys were standing next to each other, no one who doesn't lift would know the difference. As far as they're concerned, if you have abs you're ripped and that's it.
Neither. Women aren't like men who base all their attraction on who is more aesthetically beautiful in the femanon sense. She'd be more attracted to the one with higher status, social skills, she would base it on face, other personality quirks and maybe even masculinity apart from looks. For men if you put two girls together you can clearly see who you're more attracted too because of their physical attractiveness to you from a glance. Women are different, their attraction is a bit more complex.
Not to mention, girls don't want some ken doll who cares too much about bodyfat and abs. Girls want a man to be a man, not some anorexic dude who In a vain attempt to appear more delicious to the opposite sex, chased femanon beauty much too far who treats having abs and good skin as the most important aspect of his life, unless he's a movie star.
Might be true in real life, but not if you want to meet women on social media. The biggest dating app is instagram.
They like both i think. Only a few % will not go the the right.
Women care a lot more about how you act than how you look. Besides that these two pics are basically the same body type/aesthetic.
Both will make them wet
Women literally can't even estimate your height, much less your musculatory or body fat percentage
They don't care. You only need to be athletic and lean to get girls. There's no point of going bigger unless you you have perfect genetics and bone structure like daivid laid. If you do you won't look aesthetic and you'll have those "gross muscles " girls don't like
Both wtf my brain stopped working for a second when I saw this
>Inb4 female brain works
if you told any woman this was the same person they'd believe you
Nord vs Med
Actually Slav vs Med.
David is from Estonia.
Estonians aren't slavic, they're finno-ugric, like the finns. He could be russian, since he speaks the language and there's many of them in Estonia, but Laid isn't a russian name.
Judging from his build, leverages, squat form could be slavic.
Dad bod.
FRICKING KILL ME.
left has such a small waist, it looks moronic
Women see literally no difference between these two bodies. In fact, neither do normies
They don't see it, but they absolutely perceive it in real life. Strength is the most predictive criteria for sexual selection in humans, and the un-masculinized brain is actually even more adept at detecting it and its absence, through sight and subtler cues
the taller
as long as im in the middle its all good
Right has a good tan and isn't a roid troony.
Laid looks taller than the other dude. Probably him.
right in pictures, left irl
what universe are you gays in that you believe girls like a weak skinny incel vs football chad with broad shoulders
Your mom prefers paying customer
women want bodies with head attached