Why are gym bros like this? Why not feel sympathy for your fellow man?

Why are gym bros like this? Why not feel sympathy for your fellow man?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Suck my ass gay

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp fuck OP the fag

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What’s wrong with this? Is this a 3rd world problem?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing. Keep doing it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok I guess i shouldn’t worry as I’m not an amerifat

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oils build up in pipes and cause blockages

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not my problem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      have fun getting your pipes blasted for $3000 after they get clogged as shit

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those who are genetically and physically fit feel like they can take care of themselves and don't want to pay taxes and suffer the consequences of socialist policies. Those who are genetically and physically weak don't believe they can protect or take care of themselves so they prefer socialist policies.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This and pic related

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Post body

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        low t soicuck here, it's also got to do with having more options because I've got fewer alternatives, compared to if I had my shit together

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            if I don't have enough strong friends, I need daddy society to help me move my sofa
            if my health is fucked, I need daddy society to help me with that pesky food and shelter until I get back on my feet
            where it falls down is people that can but don't improve, get stuck waiting on daddy society, and start voting for more than appropriate gibs

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Let me guess, you *need* pills to function? Not a single leftoid I have met isn't a pillhead.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Extrapolating from a single image across an entire spectrum of ideologies?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Have you talked to anyone who is a leftoid about this? They all are pillheads. I have 3 friends afraid to own a gun for fear of shooting themselves. What ideology do you reckon they subscribe to? One of them takes a mood stabilizer that makes him overeat so he takes a stim to make him less hungry so he takes another pill to help the drymouth from that.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Liberal establishment invented psychology to trick workers into thinking depression and anxiety is a chemical imbalance and not a consequence of the alienation they experience on a daily basis working under capitalism. Ask any leftoid and they will tell you this. Kaczynski is a consequence of someone understanding the symptom but not the cause, it's why a lot of people lash out, because we're not allowed to know the cause.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but what alienation specifically do workers experience under capitalism?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Workers experience alienation from the fruits of their labor. Any normal wagie can see that they are being compensated for less than they contribute, they generate more value than they are being paid. You could be paid $7.25/hr, cross state lines and a person working the same job is paid $15/hr. To be a worker is to always be conscious that you are being paid less than you are worth, this is something so plainly obvious that those in power don't even attempt to obfuscate it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You forgot about immigration, the driver of lowering wages via labor inflation. The labor party used to be anti-immigration becauae they saw it for what it was. The smartest thing the rich did was convince leftoids everything is about race.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The problem you see in immigration is a phenomena Engels observed in the 1840s. Immigration is being used today as the reserve army of labor, of the lowest class meant as a coercive threat to wagies. "If you don't work for $7/hr I will give your job to an immigrant". You understand that immigrants are brought in to suppress wages, you and I agree on that, but you don't see the forest for the trees. This isn't a uniquely new phenomena, this is just a new spin on something the ruling class has been doing to us for generations. It wont end by kicking out the immigrants, it will only end by kicking out the ruling class.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you want that then support the mises libertarians who want to dismantle government that enslaves us all and funnels money to zombie corperations that couldn't survive on their own.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd rather not transition from living under the boot of Bezos but with a nationally secured minimum wage to living under the boot of Bezos as a serf living on even fewer crumbs.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anything you think the leftoids can do will just be subverted by the rich. I believe in lolberts only because of the strength of their autism to be as philosophically rigid and pure as possible. Besides that you have a lot to learn about fiat currency. Whatever number you economically illiterate rubes instate will be worth the same or less value in actual goods. First step is burn it all down THEN maybe you can get some new structure that isn't owned by the ultra rich.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for answering anon. How do you, as an outsider to the situation, make the determination that they are being paid less than the value they produce? These are pretty rudimentary questions i know but my lefty friends always try to move past answering these type of questions when i try to at least get a base line of where theyre coming from ideologically.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If an employee were paid more than the value they produce they wouldn't be hired by a company generating a profit. The company simply wouldn't be generating a profit if they paid their employees more money than they generate, it would collapse. Necessarily employees under capitalism, in order for companies to generate profit, have to be paid less than the value they generate.
                Look at it like this: You work at Starbucks and know that the cost of rent/utility and the cost of inventory is about $1. You then make the coffee, it is sold for $3. For that coffee you are paid $0.30. Herein lies the contradiction. 33% for the resources of the coffee, 10% to make the coffee, the remaining 57% is profit. Only two stages are needed here: The resources to produce the coffee and the person to construct the coffee. If the resources cost 33%, why are you not making 67%? Because they could never generate a profit if that were the case.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Starbucks pays for baristas college via a contract with ASU as a benefit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Starbucks operates on a 57% profit margin
                Lololoe-boilllollolllll RIGHT.. I’d bet my left nut that over a third of every dollar goes to labor

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He doesn't know what profit margin means

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And you don’t understand food cost/overhead/taxes. It’s realistically probably 4-5% profit you goon

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >food cost/overhead/taxes
                Come out of total revenue. Profit is what is leftover after.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >food cost/overhead/taxes/labor
                HMMM.. IM THINKING YOUR POST WAS DISINGENUOUS WOT WITH THE 57% PROFIT

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get what youre trying to say with your example. Is profit inherentnly a bad thing or is there some percent of a product or service's price being profit acceptable and above that percent its exploitation?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is Surplus Value Theory.

                A worker will ALWAYS be paid less than the value they generate, otherwise the company would not profit.

                In that sense, all wage labour is exploitation. If you create $100 of value, why should you be paid $50 and the guy who's dad made a company get paid $50?

                Labour is entitled to all that it creates.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re so stupid that I’m actually embarrassed for you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A true blue, or red i suppose, marxist. Statist or an com? If not for profit what incentives exist for a person or entity to create a business and make it as successful as possible? If an individual laborer is being exploited by not receiving the full value of their labor shouldnt they create their own business to maximize the value they receive for their work?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How will they be able to compete with the bigger business? Especially a monopoly that shuts down any smaller startups?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                moving goalposts.. SHOCKING. what’s your solution, amigo?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                anti trust laws

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Another solution not grounded in reality.
                There's no political will to break up the big dogs like Disney or Google and any politician to mention it would find a huge superPAC backing their opponent

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The way all businesses compete. Differences in cost to the consumer, quality of the product, time im which it takes to fulfill your order, etc. In regards to a monopoly it depends on what sort of business theyre starting. If its a state enforced monopoly theyre pretty shit out of luck. If we circle back to my original question, why shouldnt the worker break away from the business that exploits him to do his own thing?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you got rid of bailouts and subsidies they would just die on their own eventually like all businesses do in an actual free market.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sure isnt easy. So, if he isnt willing to take the risk necessary, put in the work required, to fully enjoy the fruits of his labor then why should he be entitled to it when he willingly works for another at an institution that they, or someone before them, built?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He’s right about corporate socialism, you know

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And if all the raindrops were whey shakes we'd all be jacked.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So it’s not a problem then?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm actually not a Marxist, I just read theory.
                >If not for profit what incentives exist for a person or entity to create a business
                Businesses produce things because there is demand for them. The product is an incentive. I like having bicycles, so we should build a factory to make bicycles. And I like eating food, so we should have a factory that makes food.
                The incentive is to produce necessary goods. The incentive of a "businessman" isn't to make necessary goods, it's to make money and therefore they are actually less incentivized to deliver the most food to the most people, because then no one would need to buy it from them. The socialist would be happy because everyone had food, and the "businessman" sad because he has no starving people to collect money from.

                >If an individual laborer is being exploited by not receiving the full value of their labor shouldnt they create their own business
                1. Yes, I support worker co-ops for workers to receive the full value of their work.
                2. It isn't feasible for an individual to start a company. The primary reason businesses fail is cashflow issues, and a worker doesn't have the capital required to play in the existing system. This ignores the benefits of economies of scale, sophisticated logistics networks, and exploitation of cheap labour in the developing world that companies use and an individual starting a business could not. The number of "self made" businesses is negligible. The amount of startup capital and financial backing is too high, such that if any worker were in the position where it would be possible for them to start a business they could just as easily retire and never work again.

                A competitive market necessitates a loser, and the larger company with more resources (money) will win out by attrition if nothing else.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a lolbert anarchist. I sympathize with the ancoms but it must be volentary and would only work at
                a small scale. The solution of demsoc within the current insanely corrupt system is stupid. Step one is burn down the irs, intelligence agencies, federal reserve, and federal government. Best we can do is improve states rights. I have some georgist leanings about public lands for the sake of conservation but hunters already volentarily pay a special tax without it being stolen from them for it. Markets without central banking are a superior solution than a yoke of slavemasters which is government. Federal income tax is slavery.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              He is right. I have never met a lefty that is not both heavily medicated and mentally unstable

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah, I avoid falling for the pill garden gnome, doubly so when it's just treating the symptoms

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But if a majority of Americans are against social welfare programs, and anyone who thinks that we should help the poor and disadvantaged is immediately screamed down for being a commie fag, doesn't that make isolationist and individualist policies the consensus? Wouldn't that mean that the fringe woke leftists are actually high T, and those who detest socialization because of McCarthy era propaganda and corporate drive to not be socialized and continue to profit are actually the low T sheep who follow what their government and ~~*business owning*~~ elite want them to?

        This argument would almost make sense if socialism was the dominant force in American politics but it isn't and has never been.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Does someone have the archive link to this post?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >democracy
        and into the trash it goes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because fuck 'em, that's why.

      Or this if you feel like you owe an explanation for it.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People who discover that they can improve themselves feel less sympathy for people who refuse to improve themselves.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people that feel stronger and less in need of support, less likely to support support
    shocker

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    we know only will to power leads to eudaimonia

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Becaue gymbros understand that people only deserve the reaping of what they themselves sow.
    You can't buy a muscular physique, you can enhance your growth with steroids but you still need to actually work out and eat somewhat decent to have a good physique.
    Gibs are just rewards for people not willing to make something of themselves. In reality Gibs just end up being grants the government gives to liquor stores and netflix through a middleman(the consumer)

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    itt; retards who cannot conceive of altruism and believe entirely in the myth of individualism while relying on others for the knowledge and materials which allowed them to get fit in the first place. that's without even getting into the retarded-ass notion of "socialist policies". help me i can't tell if it's socialism when people don't have to pay $60,000 for an MRI

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      like everything, especially politics, there's a balance to be had there
      too little empathy and shit gets fucked
      too much, and it can be ~~*hijacked*~~ and it leads to the current state of fuckery too

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        obviously. i'm not suggesting that people should turn themselves into fucking idiots for the sake of being empathetic/altruistic, and it seems that this is the main counter-argument people use to the point i'm making. like there's a sensible middle ground between the edgy Lone Wolf antisocial retards that infest this site and people who close their eyes and pretend everything will be always be fine. at least you seem to recognise that, but i'm just letting you know that i do too -- it's irritating that people immediately assume i'm completely clueless the moment i suggest that maybe society shouldn't be a festering, psychopathic pile of shit that stomps harder on the downtrodden.

        Altruism is when I let rioters burn down cities over a guy who robs pregnant women

        no, anon, it's when you have a nice day. easy mix-up to make!

        We understand altruism. We also know that it isn't free of consequence. For example, my city is very lenient on homeless. They have a pretty easy life here. The consequence of that altruism is that there is homeless addicts everywhere, shitting in the streets and harassing people.

        you're on IST. you're on IST. saying "we understand altruism", in this thread no less, is fucking retarded. sorry dude. few places understand it less than here, and the fact that people don't understand it is often what leads to them winding up here and getting all their information from retarded sperg incels

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >there's a sensible middle ground
          yes, the easy part is (or should be) filtering out the extremist retards that infest media, but after that it can become more difficult to decide what's appropriate, and what's too little/much

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i agree, although with the caveat that who decides what's "extremist" is not an objective thing. a lot of people don't consider a no-fly-zone over Ukraine to be extremist, for example -- what's considered 'normal' is commonly considered 'non-extreme' as a result, even though they're very different kinda axes.
            but as for deciding the how and the what -- we have political philosophy for that. we have broken institutions fucked by mechanisms like filibusters and lobbying etc etc that fuck that up. there *are* right and wrong answers basically all of the time, it's just that the powerful aren't really interested in that kinda thing i guess

            If you think that the solution to an MRI costing $60,000 is dividing the cost between the group, instead of figuring out what garden gnome is charging $60,000 for an MRI and killing him, then you are part of the problem.

            good job assuming that i'm making the most retarded argument possible instead of the one i'm obviously making, anon. i agree with you, minus the retarded 1930s race theory bullshit. the ruling-class aren't your friend or mine, either way

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >who decides what's "extremist" is not an objective thing
              that's trivial, in my objective opinion
              it's me

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                based -- assuming you're not fascist/-adjacent anyway

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm obviously not, as I firmly believe you need a free shower of the gassy kind

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >good job assuming that i'm making the most retarded argument possible
              You mean exactly what you did with the entire thread?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's hard to discuss the clapistan medical industry because there's so much bullshit going on under the surface common folk aren't aware of, hard to account for every facet. Like, I think diagnostic services should be free or very low cost. My younger brother had extreme pain in his side, thought his appendix burst, hospital told him he had gas trapped between some valves in his bowel and it would work it's way out eventually. He received no actual treatment and had a $2500 bill for it. You should have to pay for them to fix your shit, not tell you what's wrong with it. Fuck sakes.

            But as I say that, I have no idea by what mechanisms you would enforce such an idea.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeah you guys got garden gnomed hard by the garden gnomes with healthcare, and higher education, and a few other sectors

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it's irritating that people immediately assume i'm completely clueless the moment i suggest that maybe society shouldn't be a festering, psychopathic pile of shit that stomps harder on the downtrodden
          Tbh I don't think the kind of middle ground you idealize (and which would be the best of both worlds) can exist at this scale of social organization simply because bureaurocracy (which is what would be necessary to manage such a system) can never recreate the legitimate social bonds and human-to-human connections that are at the root of altruism. Either we downsize and localize the way we live, or we choose the conveniences of modernity over social cohesion and keep going down the road to Hell we're on.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >people on IST are incapable of understanding and participating in real life world scenarios and going outside to get real world experiences

          You are an idiot. You don't have to be a Reddit moron to understand that giving free gibs to worthless cretins just makes them dependent on you and makes the overall situation worse.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >won't you think of the downtrodden?
          >Btw FUCK loser incels
          Lmao. You people don't actually give a fuck about others. You just want free shit for yourself.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i mean, it's pretty clear that i don't hate incels for not getting pussy. i dislike them for the whole "women are all stupid vapid sluts who deserve to be raped" thing. it's sad and pathetic, but i also understand why the way they are. there's no changing the fact that they're unequivocally wrong, though. they fundamentally don't understand women -- or people -- and that's their problem. pretending that they're enlightened enough to correctly diagnose a group they don't understand with a massive range of complex psychological oddities is laughable. i feel sympathy for incels who don't go and do mass shootings or constantly fantasise about hurting innocent people just because their own circumstances are bad -- that's weak, and it's depravity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Altruism is when I let rioters burn down cities over a guy who robs pregnant women

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This, but unironically. Being christ like isn't about only having symapthy with those who lick the tip of your dick. God's love is all encompassing, it includes fentanyl overdosers.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can love something and still punish it, in fact punishing wrong is a loving act if its done with the intention of setting a wrong right. Letting people collapse society with a smile isn't Christ like and you are larping a Christian if you believe that.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Spare the rod spoil the child.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are a retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We understand altruism. We also know that it isn't free of consequence. For example, my city is very lenient on homeless. They have a pretty easy life here. The consequence of that altruism is that there is homeless addicts everywhere, shitting in the streets and harassing people.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        San Francisco?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your city isn't altruistic towards homeless people, they just don't persecute them. If they were altruistic there wouldn't be homeless people. The reason they can't be that altruistic is because of dumb fucks like you who only see addicts shitting in the street and not a human being been driven to that point. The whole system is designed to implement half-measures so that retards demand that we roll-back on even that. Schooling is shit because not enough is invested in it, but because it's shit people don't want to invest in it. Your city isn't being altruistic towards the homeless, they are allowing it to persist as a problem as a coercive threat to you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Your city isn't altruistic towards homeless people, they just don't persecute them. If they were altruistic there wouldn't be homeless people.
          You're fucking retarded. Homeless are homeless by choice. My city probably has one of the most programs and charities for homeless and yet there are still homeless everywhere.
          >GIVE THEM EVEN MORE FREE SHIT REEEEEE
          No. Fuck off. Frankly it'd be best to just execute them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            90% (probably more) homeless are drug addicts and the rest are literal retards/schizos. Use the money to increase inspections at both borders and shipping routes instead-and hang drug dealers in areas viewable by the public

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're fucking retarded. Homeless are homeless by choice.
            Being homeless seems very based and also poggers bro, trust me bro people want to be homeless, don't examine the circumstances which would make someone homeless including addiction which I've already acknowledged please bro they like it they choose to be homeless.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, they would rather live a life of literally zero responsibility and just live day to day. Chase drugs and sleep all day. Street NEETs. That is their preference.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Objectively untrue but keep repeating the propaganda, they like keeping us divided.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry kiddo. Objectively true. Street homeless arent some "unlucky" normal people. They're literal trash. That's why they're there.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I try to incorporate material analysis into my world view, I would encourage you do the same. I know you feel strongly on this but feelings don't trump reality. I remember feeling a similar way when I was younger.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I guarantee I'm older than you. The fact is there are many programs and charities that would enable them to get off the street if they chose to, but they don't.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I guarantee I'm older than you
                there is no need to further embarrass yourself I was giving you a viable excuse

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao. You're mad as fuck. Are you homeless or something posting on McDonalds wifi?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's okay anon I give you permission to move on

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your defeat.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I like being divided from degenerates and crack addicts because i am better than them.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              you sound like a leftwing brain damaged ben shapiro

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >brain damaged
                ben shapiro
                oxymoronic

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what an oxymoron is anon.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >not enough education investment
          >"WE NEED MO MONEY FO DEM PROGRAMS"
          No

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This shit blows my mind. Like how are we spending this much money, and teachers are still under paid?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              because administrators and other useless bureaucrats are overpaid. but trust me most teachers in the US are trash, and don't give a shit about students beyond their own paycheck. unfortunately teachers unions basically forces educators to be apathetic hags, young and energetic educators are demoralized and shunned if they do not tow the line, and the garbage curriculum that is forced on everybody removes the last strain of sanity from anyone who had any glitter of hope.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Teachers are overpaid. They work 5 days a week 8-9 months a year and regurgitate premade lessons from state approved books. It requires no skill, it requires no training, it is not difficult, it is not laborious, literally anyone can do it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They are underpaid. Even factoring in summer vacation they make less than people with the same level of education.
                It's dumb to complain about teacher quality when you pay them like a manager at a burger joint. You get what you pay for.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >C’S MAKE DEGREES
                >TAXPAYER FUNDED GOVERNMENT JOBS
                >ANY RETARD COULD DO IT

                wow dude lmao SHOCKING

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >5 days a week 8-9 months a year
                He doesn't know about summer prep, mandatory training, and marking.
                > it requires no training
                It requires am undergraduate degree in the teachable subject at all levels above elementary. It also usually requires a master's of education/pedagogy, usually only a 2 year masters.
                > it is not difficult, it is not laborious
                He has never worked with kids

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Who see addicts in the street not as human beings
          Yes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            based ape

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They have a pretty easy life
        The soft fucking life you must have led to think that homeless people anywhere have a "pretty easy life"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          How many homeless people do you let live in your house?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I lived on Dundas st W. In Toronto. I volunteered at the shelter across the street. I walked through Allan Gardens, and Regent Park, and Moss Park.

            You hold that up as the marker for success, as if letting one person sleep on the floor of my 90sq ft. basement appartment would make any difference at all?

            You are ignorant. If you believe homelessness is such an easy life I invite you to try it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >couldn't even fill his cuckanadian goybox with homeless
              I guess you don't really care.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So how many homeless are there now after you volenteered? More or fewer?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                More, because cost of living continues to increase and COL is the primary driver of homelessness.

                This emphasizes that these issues are systemic, and no individuals action can correct them entirely. This is the entire point of why rugged individualism falls apart.

                What we need is some kind of collective action, like a society of people who think homelessness is bad actually.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Or maybe some people are just absolute failures that can’t be redeemed.. why don’t you go check out Seattle or San Francisco?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I know some people are irredeemable failures, I've been on IST for years.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >everyone else should be giving and caring
              >ME? NOOOOO IF I DID ANYTHING IT WOULDN'T MATTER!!! I AM INSIGNIFICANT AND WEAK!!! IT IS EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS TO PITCH IN!!!!
              If you let a homeless person live in your home it could be life changing for them, it would be the most dramatic change they could experience, but you aren't actually interested in helping anyone, only pushing your parasetic views and tendencies on others.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you think that the solution to an MRI costing $60,000 is dividing the cost between the group, instead of figuring out what garden gnome is charging $60,000 for an MRI and killing him, then you are part of the problem.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >*click*
        >'Hello, based department'
        >Hi, this is anon. I've got something here you're gonna wanna see

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I thought you were about to bring up a solid argument but then you ruined it

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        checked and 100% based

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        don't know anything about america politics or politics in general but i enjoyed this answer.

        now, mods, pls prune this 4chan thread so we can get back to fitness shitposts which is what this board is for

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good post

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ok I can explain. There is a monopolistic cabal on health insurance because of FDR instating an income cap during wwii. This caused companies to begin to offer "benefits" to compete in the job marketplace. "Benefits" like insurance, deferred pension plans, company vehicles, etc. This carried over after the war during further labor reform to force all companies to provide health insurance to full time employees. What this did was destroy the free market and create whales of contracts for insurance companies removing individual consumer leverage and power. So insurance companies can basically do whatever they want. However, if health care were actually affordable out of pocket like say lasik eye surgery is, we would not need it. So the insurance companies worked a deal with health care providers to absolutely fucking jack the prices up to unaffordable rates so that consumers would "need" health insurance. It is a fucking trust, a cabal. Anything out of pocket is cheap as fuck. The whole thing is a scam and it is the governments fault for destroying the free market.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Um based national socialist answer?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This.
        Shop an MRI sometime. I was quoted up to $2500 at local hospital. Found private operator, dine for $250.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m so fucking tired of this American healthcare bankrupted me!!! Meme. People don’t go bankrupt over an MRI. Yes our healthcare is too expensive, but anyone who’s actually poor isn’t paying either at all, or they’re paying a significantly reduced rate via their free Medicare or in state ACA. You people thst spout this meme probably haven’t even tried to use the health system in the US, it’s literally as easy as have mid tier healthcare insurance, never go bankrupt over health issues. Just because it says the MRI costs 60k on your invoice doesn’t mean anyone ever pays anything close to that.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          bump

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >strawmans about me deep throating big pharma because I argued against your extremely hyperbolic cherry picked bullshit
          kys, go get a job and decent healthcare leech

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            LOL this fucking retard Aussie gay thinks he gets to speak on American healthcare. How did I know you weren’t even American but complaining about our healthcare? Unironically throw yourself off a cliff into the ocean and drown yourself. Absolute waste of oxygen.

            I pay $250 a month and have the best healthcare money can buy. I also don’t have to wait 7 years while I slowly die to see a specialist unlike your state funded retardland healthcare. Let me know how much fun you’re having waiting 6 months to get that MRI while you slowly die of cancer. But hey, at least you saved some money right?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              someone's lizard brain is engaging. if you had their brain on a scan, you'd see the 'attack' centres lighting up. the amygdala is probably going insane. they feel very attacked by the notion that their healthcare system might not be as good as mine. let's all give them a gentle pat on the back, folks. it's tough out there

              I got a $5k bill for an MRI recently and dont wanna pay it all. What do

              oh look, proof of exactly what i'm talking about! sorry dude, i hope you can find a good way to resolve it. i'd give advice but i don't know the best whatdo for situations like this over there unfortunately

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no rebuttal, just seething and coping
                Sad!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >huuurrr durrr MRIs in the US cost $60k and bankrupt people!!
                >this guy being charged $5k for an MRI is the same thing
                Again, you are actually brain damaged. I think you’re just baiting at this point cuz you’re not even arguing, just spouting retardation that’s supposed to be making me mad lol? Wtf are you even talking about amygdalas and lizard brains for you fucking autist. Take your meds and then have a nice day.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no u

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the morally superior altruist turns out to be a passive aggressive antisocial braindead moron

                Imagine my shock

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I got a $5k bill for an MRI recently and dont wanna pay it all. What do

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is that after health insurance or do you not have health insurance?
          If after: call hospital and tell them you can’t afford the amount, they will almost always reduce it or put you on a long term payment plan with 0 interest and very generous monthly payments. Most hospitals in the US do not turn a profit, most people don’t pay their hospital bills. They’re usually willing to work with you if you even try to pay them.

          If you don’t have insurance: do the same as above, but tell them you’re uninsured, and they will either dramatically reduce the price or might even waive it entirely. Some hospitals won’t do this, but a large amount of them will.

          If none of that works, just forget about it and don’t pay. Medical debt in the US really isn’t that big of a deal, it can impact your credit score a bit but not as much as other kinds of debt from my understanding.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Look up hospital charity care policy if your income is low enough to qualify. It’s the best kept secret In American medicine (even though every hospital has it publicly posted)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ahh jeez dude, I hurt my leg and gotta take these pillz

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If food isn't free, and transport isn't free, and shelter isn't free, why should healthcare be free?

      If you can't make enough money to afford your basic healthacre needs, even if they are severe, do you even deserve to live and reproduce?

      Its not that hard to make money. Private overpriced health care is unironically based eugenics. Fucks nuggets and fuck lazy poor people, I grew up poor and no can easily afford an MRI through my insurance and it wasn't even that hard.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i hope you get cancer and won't be able to pay for your bills

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      trading and cooperating /= giving away for free

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >altruism is when you're forced to give money to an intractable corrupt state entity at gunpoint
      have a nice day retard

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i don't believe in the state, you retarded cunt. grow at least 300 grams more grey matter before replying to me again, whelp

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Government controlled health care in the UK makes health care cheaper for the individual than in the US. That is an example wherein paying taxes sees more value returned to the individual.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Does it really though? Considering the massive taxes they pay.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you look at all healthcare spending, including treatment funded privately by individuals, the US spent 17.2% of its GDP on healthcare in 2016, compared with 9.7% in the UK. In pounds per head, that's £2,892 on healthcare for every person in the UK and £7,617 per person in the US.
            google is your friend

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              That doesn't mean it's cheaper, tard. You don't understand statistics. They could be seeing the doctor more often or having more expensive procedures.

              Logic isn't your friend.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you are slowly approaching the point. People in the US are having more expensive procedures, because the cost of procedures are higher in the US. See what I'm getting at? People in the UK pay taxes and receive cheaper and better care.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >because the cost of procedures are higher in the US.
                Prove it. And also prove that if is the case it isn't because the quality of care isn't higher. You aren't very smart, anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cancer treatment is free at point of use in the UK and costs the average US patient $150,000.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice dodge kiddo. Can't answer the questions. Regardless, about your point, that cost would be before health insurance kicks in.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That is an example of a procedure which is more expensive in the US. I provided an example of the exact thing you asked to see. I didn't think it would be so hard to understand, what part tripped you up?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No dumbass, you called it """free""" which is factually untrue and extremely disingenuous.

                >Indeed, chemotherapy costs the NHS an estimated £1.4 billion a year.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Where did I say it was free?
                Follow-up question: Do you understand what "free at point of use" means?
                Be honest about that second question, this is a judgement free environment and we all make mistakes.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I do, and it's incredibly stupid to try and hide behind that. Did you know if you average 50,000 pounds per year over a 40 year career and have a tax rate of 40% you'll have paid 800k pounds in taxes over your career?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The NHS accounts for 15% of public spending in the UK. 15% of £800k is £120k, that is less than the £150k for cancer treatment in the US.
                Keep in mind also that the £50k annual wage you provided is quite a bit higher than the £32k average in the UK. At £32k taxed at 40% and working for 40 years, lifetime tax would total £512k, the NHS 15% cut would be £76,800. The average cost for lifetime universal health care in the UK is nearly half the cost of cancer treatment in the US.
                I didn't think it was actually this bad in the US, thanks for helping me put it into perspective.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The NHS accounts for 15% of public spending in the UK. 15% of £800k is £120k
                Holy shit you are bad at statistics, anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay we can take this one step at a time.
                Was it the basic math which tripped you up this time?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the most retarded way to end this thread

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                room temp IQ

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >£32k average
                Fucking LOL. I always forget how absurdly poor europooristanis are.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Cancer treatment is free in the UK
                >*Pays $1000000+ extra shekels to the government over their lifetime*
                Kek. People who support socialized healthcare are the adult outcome of retarded children who would rather have 2 candy bars today than 1 candy bar every day for a month.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Changes nothing but keep going im laughing. Like what goes through your head when you look at your paycheck, see -40%? Absolute cuckoldry.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >*Pays $1000000+ extra shekels to the government over their lifetime*
                Worse. Only successful people have to pay. Leeches live on welfare and are net negative on the government's budget.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So Bongistanis pay 1/3 the US does AND get tax raped for 50% of their income? KEK

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No I don't think you understand, that 1/3 includes taxes. The US government spends more per capita on health care than the UK and they don't give their citizens universal health care.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now its government spending? Good goalpost swap. Almost so fast i didnt catch it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              People in the us have more pounds. We already knew this

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >massive taxes they pay in the UK
            Bro we pay less on average than America. America is truly garden gnome'd. I pay like £130 a month for healthcare on questions asked where as you pay fucking $40k for a broken arm, I pay less in 25 years what you it costs you to visit a fucking hospital once lmao

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Post tax rate

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can't differentiate the usage of a semicolon and colon
      >equates altruism and self-interest

      I won't even go further. Terrible work.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        rekt, kekd, and checked

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Government spending is not altruism.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wish more people got this.
        Volunteering at a local soup kitchen is altruism. Donating to worthy charities is altruism. Letting a down on his luck friend stay in your home until he gets back on his feet is altruism.
        Being too lazy to do acts of charity yourself and dumping the responsibility on the government is not altruism. Thinking you're a good person because you voted for a guy who promised to do something for someone else is absurd.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you don't let the government rule everything then you're against sharing advice!
      Apologize to your mother and have a nice day.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      remind me how many billions has the united states' government sent to foreign countries over the past year

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It would take over 100 years for every other country on the face of the planet to equal the amount of foreign aid USA has given out if we stopped giving foreign aid right this moment.

        USA is a socialist country de-facto.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >help me i can't tell if it's socialism when people don't have to pay $60,000 for an MRI
      I live in Canada, if you want to get an MRI you can join the 6+ month waiting list. OR you can pay about $1000 and have it done the same day. Even with that, you still need it to be prescribed by your family doctor, who btw isn’t taking appointments for a 1-3 months, and if you don’t have a family doctor, the wait to get one is 1-2 years.

      All the reviews of the private MRI clinics are some variation of
      >why can’t our public system be this clean/efficient/friendly
      So fuck your shitty socialist healthcare.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >help me i can't tell if it's socialism when people don't have to pay $60,000 for an MRI
      I can no problem. Know why? Because I got a job with good pay and health benefits because I'm not retarded/useless. Maybe those dipshits should've made better life decisions.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We paid for the knowledge and materials. It wasn't given to us for free by some altruist.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      altruism is when you send millions of men to die on the other half of the world for poorly explained reasons and barely any benefit.
      Fuck altruism, I owe you nothing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can't be altruistic all the time and to everyone. In a society of law abiding, intelligent, and loyal individuals you can afford to be altruistic to your fellow man because he'll likely return the favour. Such a society, however, is undermined when such kindness is extended to those who are actively bad for that state of affairs - look at how lax immigration and anti racism pushes functional white societies into trustless, jogger infested hell scapes. In short, you have to temper altruism with realism

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Idk how gays like you can watch videos of bugmen living in cities get pulverized by mentally ill trannies and morons and see the first reaction from bystanders is to record and laugh while also having the audacity to attack us for knowing collectivism fails every time

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because I don't have sympathy for myself

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wisdom within this comment, strong men were once weak - but they made the changes required.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because being well fed and having a good physique probably correlate with being well benefited by the current system.
    Many of you see yokes and would rather own them than break them, Sad!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's this one. If you are poor and work several jobs, low paying if you didn't have education opportunities, live in a food desert and are not able to get bodybuilding nutrition and quality protein as easily, you will not have the time, energy, or ability to spend hours of your life fawning over yourself in front of gym mirrors. There were no bodybuilders when the whole world was struggling with famine, and now that some are secure enough in the current system to reach that level they will fight tooth and nail against any change to that system,even if it would benefit them personally as well.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I lift and i am still a boring socdem that wants everyone to have access to school, a roof over the head and healthy food on the table so they have a somewhat equal start in life.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then you are frivolous and unthinking

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why? Thanks to welfare i went from born to poor parents (which were born to poor grandparents and so on, poor region) to owning my own small business thanks to education and healthcare that treated my ADD.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're just attributing an effect to a cause with no reason behind it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why? Poor very likely remains poor. You can't pull yourself by your bootstraps straight into middle class living. Or maybe you could if you lived in America back in the 50's but i don't live there so what do i know? That's the impression i got from reading history at least.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Getting to the middle class is easy. If you study IT or programming you can get from poor to middle class with a year of self-training. 2-3 years of you wanna be a trade. With education grants and loans if you only take on a big pile of debt you can make it into an academic career in six to eight years even if you're dirt poor.

              Good luck climbing out of the wage earning class though.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              welfare destroyed my family and put us into poverty because of my useless grandparents who divorced for benefits and had more kids they didn't take care of for the checks. my mom is a doctor and i'm a mechanical engineer in spite of welfare and never partaking in it even though i grew up homeless.

              there, my useless anecdote rules yours out

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sure buddy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      post body

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In a society that presents us with a choice between being exploited or being the exploiter, there's two types of people: those who choose to be the exploiter and those who think the whole damn premise is dumb and want to change it so they get a third option.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Marxist drivel

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the single most retarded and simultaneously gay thing I’ve read on IST. Post body you gay polesmoker.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why the gym is step one in any self-improvement protocol is because there is a direct response to the work you put in. Newbie gains come fast, and even after your very first workout you have DOMS the next day, telling you that "it's working." Unlike with starting a business which may fail or only become profitable after months or years, the gym gains are relatively instant. Every week you add weight or reps. What you put in = what you get out of it. It shows you that your fate is in your hands, that you have the power to change your lot in life.
    Most importantly, other people can't lift the weights for you. You have to do it yourself. You can't hire someone to train for you. The gym is completely up to you. Not hard to see how this mindset translates to a general dislike of policies that require other people to do the work for you.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Btw, it's probably just more likely that people with an individualist predisposition (probably with a genetic cause) end up choosing bodybuilding/powerlifting as a hobby. In fact I'd wager that true for people who do sports in general. Don't know too many lefty athletes.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Jo jag hörde att i norge att det var något föreslag att ge folk vid 16 års åldern rösträtt. Varför det? Vad är logiken? 16 åringar känns inte precis tillräckligt mogna för att förstå sig på sådant tycker jag.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Logikk
      Det er ikke det. Var helt absurd i utgangspunktet og jeg forstår ikke hvordan det i det hele tatt nådde en avstemming.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >16 åringar känns inte precis tillräckligt mogna för att förstå sig på sådant tycker jag.
      Vill inte vara sån, men 18-20 åringar är inte alltid så jäkla klipska heller. Majoriteten av människor överlag är jävligt dåligt insatta, oinformerade och generellt ganska korkade faktiskt. Är ju lite problemet med demokratin att en lågbegåvad pundares röst är värd lika mycket som en välmeriterad akademiker. Är inte för att sänka röståldern, verkligen inte, men ville bara poängtera.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because I used to be pathetic and in need of help too, so I decided to help myself, and now I'm all the better for it.

    Women will demonize you for shit like this but tell them "so will you help an incel by dating them? or do you think they should work on their personality and appearance?" and they get real quiet fast

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I genuinely want to help people who are trying to improve themselves. It's amazing how few people actually want to put any work in to improve themselves though. It makes you feel less sorry for people as a whole quite fast.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    they're an ok substitute for the non-norfcucks in europe that actually had a sense of rhythm, art, non-autism, social cohesion, and non-inbred-looking women

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cultish mindset

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >liking feminine women and non-autismos is cultish
        touch grass

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Racist.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You’re a stupid, degenerate monkey, and belong in the hellish WEF nightmare that you will likely end up in

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's the third position

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know a fat bitch that gets more in gibs for being autistic or something, than a working man earns through hard labor. She is fat, just consoomes shit, swallows anti depressants and hopes that some simp will come along and support her. She also doesn't have to pay taxes
    Meanwhile I recently made a successful stock market transaction though putting a lot of effort into making an informed decision, and the government took 30% of my fucking money. Fucking thieving scum.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same, had to pay 70000 in taxes last year

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      trading stocks is the literal definition of zero value add money. You should be taxed higher than 30% for gambling

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This guy doesn't know about Babaloynian money magic or the Khazarians

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spotted the commie /state fuckface

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      universal healthcare could be alright but bernies plan was retarded compared to other countries

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all of those countries get pharmaceutical drugs the USA disproportionately produces at a small fraction of the price while dumping their own medicinal products like insulin (Novo Nordisk 3rd biggest company in Denmark, Sanofi the 20th largest company in France-80% or so worldwide insulin production) into the US at a premium. Despite this and a generally healthier population due in no small part to less obese/violent blacks they still pay 40% income taxes and 3x the sales Taxes on average in the form of VAT
      >many of these countries get the benefit of millions and millions of barrels of oil from the US' costly military occupation of central asia they pay nothing other than market price and transportation costs to receive, they then apply a huge VAT to that as well often doubling the cost of the oil in order to perpetuate their "free healthcare" grift
      have a nice day retard

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This. The US medical system subsidizes other countries medical care the same way the US military takes care of thirty said defense needs.
        It's easier to have nice things when big daddy hegemon is paying your bills.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      In the UK we give 18% of all our taxes to the NHS for a healthcare system which works very very poorly! Massive figures for a system which we are forced to pay for. Then if you want private health care you can expect to pay £1500 per year in the UK. Universal healthcare is a massive scam

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Was just arguing this point with my Dr friend using NHS as an example.
        He said that insurance provides no added value that's one agency that made 6 billion profit to not even provide user care.
        When I brought up wait times or inability to get a second opinion or just how incompetent government in general can be he said he'd prefer government incompetentcy over capitalist malevolence.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >capitalist malevolence
          Drives 99% of innovation and efficiency.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Most modern technology is the result of government funded military research.

            "Capitalist innovation" is the reason there's 3 Cars movies, 3 Toy Story movies, and they're still making Harry Potter and Star Wars movies. Capitalism just does the things that make money over and over again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Universal healthcare is a massive scam
        It is when you import Asian doctors and Nigerian nurses which can't understand you and aren't trained to do their jobs

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that commies will breathlessly defend their failed meme ideology no matter the material consequences (they still cope about the USSR to this day even with its multi-generational broom closet apartments, carb gruel diet, 4% car ownership and 2% color television ownership rates). Beating or killing them is self-defense in all 48 states

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >commies
      why do amerifats call welfare communism? communism was a destructive ideology that lunatics like stalin, kruschef, bhreznef and mao espoused.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    when i started lifting i started reaching for my goals
    ((they)) want you to be unable to fight back

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >study suggests

    Yikes.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where's the article about how white men shouldn't exercise because it can be deadly?

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I realize that what people think here is really different from what people think in the USA. They really do get quite rabid once you mention a few certain triggerwords. I think it's best to realize that we are just not going to get along on certain small parts of life and society even though we work well together on some others.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Healthcare also goes to people born blind, or with certain other inborn handicaps... And people that have had workplace accidents like losing a limb or two. And war veterans...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Healthcare also goes to people born blind, or with certain other inborn handicaps
        terrible conditions to be afflicted with... refer to picrel
        >people that have had workplace accidents like losing a limb or two
        usually thats covered by the companies insurance, even in canada, as it should
        >war veterans
        im not willing to pay for someone's medical expenses after they sign up to kill kids in other countries at the behest of the military-industrial compex and petroleum corporations

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          company's*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >terrible conditions to be afflicted with... refer to picrel
          What if you suddenly got that? Do you not feel any sympathy for your fellow human beings?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >people born blind, or with certain other inborn handicaps
            >people born blind, or other inborn handicaps
            >born, inborn
            very different if it happens to someone who lived their entire life with the handicap

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And what if you suddenly became blind or something? Or sick? Or it turns out you have hereditary diabetes?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The real problem is that those people are a very small fraction of healthcare spending
          >petroleum corporations
          It's actually worse, dumbass.
          Petroleum corporations in the US only get 17% of the oil in Iraq-the remainder goes to state owned petroleum corporations, primarily in Europe and China.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You realize that if these people had free healthcare they would probably have had medical interventions to treat their obesity before it got to this point, right? They are mentally ill and addicted they need healthcare to break that mental illness and addiction. Instead they just wait until their arteries clog with lard and then go to the hospital to get surgery and this ends up making all medical services more expensive since there is more overall demand for the services that doctors provide. Doctors are so rushed that they spend less and less time with patients and it causes worse long-term outcomes for everyone.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        #
        >You realize that if these people had free healthcare they would probably have had medical interventions to treat their obesity before it got to this point, right
        Yeah because there aren't any obese people in countries with "free" healthcare.

        Oh wait, you're fucking retarded.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          People can still choose not to take advantage of resources that are provided to them but if you don't even have the choice because you're a fat jobless fuckup with no healthcare then you're infinitely fucked. Free healthcare could provide those whales a lifeline to fix themselves.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Holy cope. I'm gainfully employed and have excellent health insurance.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't care about the public/private debate but if there is a proven working resource that has anything close to a real success rate at fixing obesity u best post it

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >but if there is a proven working resource that has anything close to a real success rate at fixing obesity u best post it
              There is only one. The only countries that aren't fat as fuck are basically a few Asian countries like Japan. Their solution is heavy public shaming. Shaming works. They even have fat shaming laws. Though even Japan is ever so slowly getting fatter too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bro have you been in a fph thread? ever seen the fatties on the webz and how they parade around trying to convince others theyre healthy?
        i can agree theyre retarded, but siphoning my money to pay for their services is also retarded and frankly rather immoral
        >fit man spends money and time on not getting obese
        >now has to pitch in for the fucktards who could resist the temptation of sugar all their lives
        this is exactly why gym bros are picrel
        also im canadian, we have public healthcare, and the obesity rate is only about 20 years behind the usa in the trends

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          couldnt*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >have you been in a fph thread? ever seen the fatties on the webz and how they parade around trying to convince others theyre healthy?
          HAVEN'T YOU SEEN THE MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT IM SO OBSESSED WITH I POST PICTURES OF THEM ONLINE WEEKLY?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the minority for the next decade LOL

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >medical interventions to treat their obesity
        Point me to any study that has shown medical interventions has had any long-term benefits on obesity.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >20K in tax for 1 fatty to lose 200 pounds but gain it back 4 months later
        Or
        >$0.19 for a single 9mm bullet to the head for a 400 pound forever weight loss
        There is no sense in saving low IQ retards(you would have to be fucking irredeemably retarded to be obese, especially because nutrition labels are on everything and the internet gives you all you need to know to stay fit.
        gays obsessed with altruism only do so because they know they are deadweight and don't want to get axed for being a drain on the normal people.

        Cancer treatment is free at point of use in the UK and costs the average US patient $150,000.

        1. not my cancer not my problem
        2. explain why bong and euros in general fly to the USA for major surgeries and procedures, if your gays healthcare is so grand why fly over here for the important stuff?
        You will make up some cope but you know deep down its because government controlled anything is dogshit tier.

        Your city isn't altruistic towards homeless people, they just don't persecute them. If they were altruistic there wouldn't be homeless people. The reason they can't be that altruistic is because of dumb fucks like you who only see addicts shitting in the street and not a human being been driven to that point. The whole system is designed to implement half-measures so that retards demand that we roll-back on even that. Schooling is shit because not enough is invested in it, but because it's shit people don't want to invest in it. Your city isn't being altruistic towards the homeless, they are allowing it to persist as a problem as a coercive threat to you.

        homeless people should be forced to work a shitty manual labor job because 90% of them are subhuman drug junkies.
        My city does the right thing and is very anti homeless and guess what? crime rate is lower because of it.

        [...]

        Fun fact: if you removed morons from the USA the gun crime rate would drop so dramatically that we would have less gun crime then most European countrys(this is in tandem with suicides by firearms not being counted towards gun crime)

        Despite its flaws America is still the single greatest country to every exist, Europoors will seethe and post mutt memes from their shoebox of a house(that they dont own lol), then go cash in their $10(about 6000 bongbucks lol) a month check they got from their full time job and get to bed with their mutant look 0/10 wife.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or how about not having crony corporations taking stolen money as subsidies to destroy our topsoil with shitty monocrops and convince people it's okay via fed funded 'studies' where grad students in state schools are incentivized to tell us goyslop is good.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So your saying you'd be willing to send garden gnomes and elites packing then? because if you say any different then your just grandstanding gay who refuses to accept that only fucking idiots fall for those pit falls, instead of attacking the root of the problem.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I would ban public school, the federal reserve, irs, fbi, nsa, cia, dohs, for profit prisons, fractional reserve banking, central banking, fiat dollar, federal subsidies and go back to a minarchist confederacy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >removal of quite a few tumors that plagues the USA
                Now that's the Hispanice, looks like you know your stuff. We do need to stop them from planting fucking filler plants like s()y and corn and ruining the soil, that shit is a huge problem for various reasons.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also not reality and if we replaced even a quarter of those 2 tomorrow the toilet paper supply chain problems would look like small potatoes. You'd see starvation.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only among city bugmen. And that's a good thing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah? you have to knock them out one by one while replacing them with better systems.
                Just pulling all of those at once would be pants on head retarded and cause a collapse, not to mention it would leave us exposed to aggression from foreign entities.
                It would take a while to reform all of them but It would be worth it in the long run.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                None of that has even the political support to even get a mention in the mainstream.
                Best to keep to reality

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Homeschooling is up to 11%. With more woke bullshit the number of children removed from indoctrination facilities will steadily increase. Also thanks to school shootings. This is a pleasant sign for the future. The media oligarchy is in its death throws. Covid has been excellent for increasing distrust in the federal government and erroding faith in our corrupt institutions. Being dismayed is what they want. After this pending financial crisis and horrific depression that is about to ensue we will see how the mob acts when more bailouts occur while the people suffer. Their racist woke propaganda will not work again like in 2009. They do not control the narrative anymore. They will come after free speech and bitcoin and guns now but it will not work.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                When people memed up amc stock to spite that investment group just recently and they got bailed out a few people knew, a few of them grumbled, but nothing happened.
                How will this time be different? You seem so sure things will go your way.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was typing out how the fed fund and interest rates work but it was too long. Just watch this

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          ever* got distracted while typing because a crack tooth bongoid asked me where the hospital was so he could get his cancer fixed

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    equality is the Great Lie.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Listen, kid, when media says “social equality” they actually mean identity politics

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Nothing but tank your economy for time than you’re alive

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    average "man" is a fucking weak soi pussy that doesnt deserve anything till he works for it like the rest of gigachads we are. fuck off with your weak baits

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >having a 400lb+ fatso do bodyweight exercises
        Well that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Can the trainer do pushups with an extra 200lbs of weight strapped to him? Of course not. That'd be like taking a skinny kid and starting him on a 3pl8 squat day one.

        The only muscle a fatso getting started should train is his heart. Walk him around until he's had 30 minutes of 140+bpm and then keep him from eating until he's got enough range of motion to start doing compound lifts. Making them do bodyweight exercises at 400lbs is just torture and ineffective.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >isnt zogged by the nosefags

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have confidence that my fellow fitfags would help me if I struggled just as I would help them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If someone is willing to actually put forth effort and listen to my advice and actually accept help, I don't mind helping.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's what I'm talking about.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if the government could force you to give your gains to the lazy retards who didn't hit the gym lmao

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate weak people

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >men who worked for something are less likely to want to give shit away to lazy morons for free
    really makes me think

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >strong white males dont care any more

    wow so surprising

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is because it has been revealed to muscular men that equality isn’t real.
    Neither an equality of character nor nature exists in this world.
    The man who works out sees those who do not and hears their complaints. He listens to their excuses and their rationalizations, and he may even tell them that they can do it too, offering to show them the way. Yet the masses are slovenly, gluttonous, and lazy. He recognizes his superiority.
    The fit man also sees his betters in the gym. He sees those who have worked harder than himself, and importantly, he sees those who have been blessed with greater genetic potential. Those who are leaner. Those who have stronger frames, taller heights. Those who have better insertions and those who have lesser. In the gym, he sees the inequalities of life itself. He sees the cold, careless existence of nature.
    The muscular man does not believe in equality because he does not see it. He sees the world for what it is and tries to be better. To help others is righteous, but to mandate it is thievery.
    By God or by nature, man is not equal.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      checked and based

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is only part of what the data showed. It showed strong rich men are less likely to support it. Strong poor or middle class men still supported economic and social equality on average.

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there are people on this board, in this very thread, that genuinely believe humans are an equal blank state at birth and the solution to all problems is throwing money at them and the cause of all problems is that white people haven't thrown enough money at them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This Anon gets it. I pray that people will eventually see this for the delusion that it is, but I don't have high hopes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Certain races do horribly in capitalism. Especially Amerindian people. It's a gnomish construct for vapid souls so there's no shame in that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Especially Amerindian people
        You realize this is because they were genocided and then given shit plots of land after settlers took what they wanted, right? That's a coercive market force if I've ever seen one.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >person that had their life together thinks other should too
    Wosh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think the average person who browses this board has their life together?

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever you see the word “equality” invoked in a political context, an attempt is being made to deceive you. “Equality” is subjective.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because people who lift understand the concept of working for something instead of having it handed to them out of pity

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    We need to get more people lifting.

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it all boils down to 'we've put the work in' mentality and no one wants to see lazy ass people get something for nothing.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You wage and slave for me to lift and thrift.

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Non meme answer but I really have a hard time respecting people who don’t actively try to help themselves from their situation. I’m at a point where I see people who don’t lift as just lazy and self destructive. Why don’t you help yourself first before asking it from others?

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the people who are most vocal about the virtues of altruism have, in my experience, been the most unwilling to actually engage in altruism. to whom are they lying, and to what end?

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's called personal responsibility. Once you have it, you don't want other people to be coddled into a lack of responsibility that will ultimately be even more destructive to them.

    Complacency and hedonism destroyed the black community, not genetics (the only difference between black and white is +1 malaria and sun resistance). Think about Nigerian immigrants who actually do better than white people because they come with the attitude of leaving everything and crossing an ocean with the hopes of building a better life. That is an incredibly admirable trait.

    The kind of government help that could be good is something like a negative income tax or medical emergency insurance that tapers off slowly as people rise in income so people don't get stuck in the "welfare poverty trap". It is more harmful to the disadvantaged to be coddled than anyone else.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blacks are still slaves in 2022
      the system is brutal in its efficacy

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't feel sympathy, I feel empathy. I know what my fellow man is capable of, I know that he has every possibility to do it, and I know he doesn't because unlike me he'd rather consume and destroy himself than produce and improve himself.
    Society is more than equal enough already; I have no desire to equalize a playing field where the other team doesn't bother to play. Supporting equality just ends up meaning scoring own goals.

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >equity
    There, fixed it for you.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I DO have sympathy for my fellow man. And only for them.

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spoiled rich kids are usually the ones who get into lifting. I like that in Canada the government pays for my apartment and gives me bux just because i have autism. I had a rough upbringing so it's the least this shit society can do
    Wish they paid me more. Normies dont want to hire autists anyways so it's no like i can ''just get a job bro'' unless it's underpaid moron labour
    Also i don't know any Canadian that doesn't like free health care

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You guys love licking boots and being slaves.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because strong men worked to be strong, while weak men sat on their asses and got fat. People are not truly equal, and the fact that some people are strong while others are not provides some significant evidence.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Being financially successful is usually based on your upbringing
      It's not a great testament to your mettle.
      It's just usually poor people with shitty upbringings who benefit from gibs. Most people who grow up in group homes and foster care usually don't amount to anything and become broken as adults regardless of race. Though obviously some people are most suited to western civilization that others
      I lift but see no point in working for a gnomish world where work has no meaning

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