Why are there so many gymcels? Shouldn't being fit translate to more confidence around women?

Why are there so many gymcels? Shouldn't being fit translate to more confidence around women?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People with body dysmorphia are lacking in confidence.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that, also it seems muscleMaxxers are often very strange and weird people, doesn't matter how much muscles they gain they will not get any quality women.

      Then there are the gays that are around 60% of all well trained men, but I guess the frick like there is no tomorrow

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so many gymcels
    Weird assumption.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't being fit translate to more confidence around women?

    Because talking to women has consequences beyond just yay or nay - I've known dudes whove gone to court over rape allegations cause they turned a girl down , it was thrown out of course but still - that's annoying as frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I've known dudes whove gone to court over rape allegations cause they turned a girl down
      no you dont homosexual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cool story bro, tell us something more that did not happen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s just outright demoralizing to get shot down by literally every woman because they have way more options.
      It’s degrading. Like you become a prostitute to prostitute salesman for your own body.

      This shit is absurd.
      >just be le chad
      The people on this sight that pretend talking to women is easy or pleasant are either very stupid or painfully unaware of themselves.

      It’s not fun talking to women if your goal is screwing them.
      It’s fun gossiping because women are funny when they talk shit about each other. But getting down to business. They are judgmental and superficial and often very boorish. It’s just not satisfying to speak with them in any meaningful capacity.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The modern woman is genuinely insane
    They are obese sociopathic drug addicts that will happily kill their own child before they can even consider dating someone that’s 5’9 or something (the guy is still a full head taller than her)
    The modern woman is void of any and all affection, empathy, and care, and are nothing more than emotional violent animals on a warpath to destroy as many things as possible if it doesn’t align with her impossible headcanon
    Gymcels or inceldom in general are the natural outcome for what women have become
    The very idea of an incel wanting to spend their time and effort with an AI girl and not a real one drives the modern woman up a wall, despite the fact that she would’ve never given him the time of day and probably would’ve put him through some kind of humiliation ritual for even thinking he could talk to her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The more things change, the more they stay the same..

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based Florence. I think what bothers me the most is that women don't seem to have discussions/realisations like this about themselves. Like they're all so inherently vapid that it just won't occur to them. Whereas men constantly analyse everything about themselves. Obviously not all men but there seems to be more of it amongst men anyway. I am getting tired of my girlfriend constantly needing attention from me, and after being dumped a couple of times already and seeing the way their opinion of me changes over time (especially when I'm feeling low) I'm starting to become so disillusioned with the idea of relationships. I think I'd be happier if I got a dog for company and just occasionally had sex with hookers. So tired of the "do you even like me" shit. I literally can not be angry or sad without her making about herself.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've been single for about 7 years now. Sometimes I miss cuddling with a gf, but holy shit do I not miss the vapid self absorbed behavior they have. Plus, I get to live like a slob without judgment. Hookers are fine, but get expensive over the long run. Find a good cheap one and you're golden. After a few visits they ask me why I don't have a gf kek

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've never had sex with a hooker. I always assumed it would be very passionless? Do you kiss or do you just put a condom on and get to it? Are they like, ready to go? I honestly don't know. I hate sex with a condom so a girlfriend on the pill is a necessary evil.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Do you kiss
              Why would you want to kiss a hooker dumbass Black person, you know they suck on wieners all day right?
              you get a blowie then you tell her what position you want her in

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Women are a pain to deal with- Only option is to concentrate on yourself and make her envious. Women are only happy if they're chasing you. After that you're dead meat to them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think what’s she’s saying is correct for the mental pathology that women tend towards as women in general tend towards certain personalities and those personalities tend to produce the pathology described therein. In essence, it’s not that all women are like this, but that the pathology of personalities women are likely to have are like this; as to the percentage of women compared to the percentage of men having any mental pathology, I do not know, but as of anecdote: I’ve found in my experience that both men and women are more or less equal in respect to pathological manifestation and that they tens to crystalize differently.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As an addendum to this post: The personality differences that men and women tend towards are more evident at the extreme ends of the normal distribution, as such, while the average man and woman are very similar in terms of personality, as you go towards the extremes, you start to see the manifestation of traits that embody the classical conception of masculine and feminine for their genders respectively.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based Florence. I think what bothers me the most is that women don't seem to have discussions/realisations like this about themselves. Like they're all so inherently vapid that it just won't occur to them. Whereas men constantly analyse everything about themselves. Obviously not all men but there seems to be more of it amongst men anyway. I am getting tired of my girlfriend constantly needing attention from me, and after being dumped a couple of times already and seeing the way their opinion of me changes over time (especially when I'm feeling low) I'm starting to become so disillusioned with the idea of relationships. I think I'd be happier if I got a dog for company and just occasionally had sex with hookers. So tired of the "do you even like me" shit. I literally can not be angry or sad without her making about herself.

      please commit suicide

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trying too. Slowly filling out Maids form.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Found the obese walled roastie

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        show me how you do that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The very idea of an incel wanting to spend their time and effort with an AI girl and not a real one drives the modern woman up a wall
      That's a volcel homey

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trvke.
      That being said, degenerates deserve each other. Both sexes have become vile, but the worst woman is more contemptable than the worst man.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Manlets latch onto material values in the hopes of it giving themselves any level of worth socially and chance in the dating market. But it doesn't work now since social media has inflated women's standards and the new cutoff is 6ft minimum to have sex

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was a gymcel in my early 20s and late teens. Thankfully, I matured out of that phase, and women are ironically more attracted to me now since I'm not such a tryhard anymore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No you’re just 6’
      I’m 5’5 and gymcelled until 31. Nothing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >6’
        I wish dude.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >6’
        I wish dude.

        Bros, I'm 6', handsome, and still too stupid to talk to women. The ultimate white pill is that height and looks are completely secondary to your social skills.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i can just imagine you struggling with a sub 3pl8 squat and its really giving me the ick

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, thanks for the info.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honest question, how do you get it wrong? I'm 6' and pretty good looking too (although I have b***h wrists) and it's basically always the ice breakers thats I struggle with. If the woman is receptive and nice I'm good, witty even. I've found that plenty of women basically expect you to do 95% of the work in a conversation. Even mid-unnattractive girls will just sit there and wait for you to entertain them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much. I don't know how to start a convo in most cases.
            Asking "Working out, huh?" in a gym isn't a grand opening.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But if you do get into a convo with someone, are you OK from there?
              You should try "hey can I ask you for some tips on squat (bitches always squat) you seem to know what you're doing"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This can work but for the most part it's not a good idea to ask for tips on something that she thinks a worthy man should be good at already (lifting). I also think asking for help on lifting is a common jeet move and that's not a look you want.

                https://i.imgur.com/mIvVOvb.jpeg

                [...]
                Bros, I'm 6', handsome, and still too stupid to talk to women. The ultimate white pill is that height and looks are completely secondary to your social skills.

                Honest question, how do you get it wrong? I'm 6' and pretty good looking too (although I have b***h wrists) and it's basically always the ice breakers thats I struggle with. If the woman is receptive and nice I'm good, witty even. I've found that plenty of women basically expect you to do 95% of the work in a conversation. Even mid-unnattractive girls will just sit there and wait for you to entertain them.

                Read Bang and Day Bang by Roosh V. Find them on libgen, he found God or something and doesn't sell any of his pickup material anymore.
                It's somewhat out of date but the principles are the same and Roosh goes into autistic thorough detail without going full moron on PUA jargon and other goofy fuzzy hat shit. You can basically just read through his scenarios and figure out where your weak point is.

                Personally I never hit on girls at the gym. Maybe wish I had, there was a grade A dicken booty I still remember. But I always had my own workout to do, I didn't like being bothered and so didn't bother others. Did better in coffee shops, subway and organic social networking.

                >t. 6'2, attractive enough to have gotten laid by women throwing themselves at me, but it was always with dominant/aggressive, slightly lower tier women. Wound up marrying a sweet, feminine redhead after I figured out what I was doing wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wound up marrying a sweet, feminine redhead
                Where'd you find her?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okcupid, but that was over 10 years ago.
                Almost all encounters that led to a date either came from online or social network. Only a handful came from random encounters. I'd get numbers from girls on the train and coffee shops but those hardly ever led to anything.

                The most important thing after dating skills is having an active social life. Get invited to parties, throw parties, do fun things with groups of people like whitewater rafting or a ragnar relay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What were you doing wrong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1. Not really knowing how to do the initial flirty banter, to keep things playful and fun rather than dry and boring (talking about job/weather/etc), without coming off as a desperate, thirsty loser.
                2. Not really knowing how to escalate properly. I was afraid to cross the physical boundary without some kind of signal or permission that was never going to happen.
                3. Being too nice and agreeable in general. My wife teases me occasionally about how much of an butthole I seemed to be at first (but admits it probably woudn't have worked out if I hadn't acted selfish and like I didn't really care much)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just read a book bro
                >just bee yourself bro
                >women threw themselves at me so I definitely know what you need

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically though, Roosh's stuff is good if you're an autist, otherwise Chateau Heartiste is the best

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hey guys I’m objectively attractive and women already liked me because of my appearance so I was bound to get with girls regardless of what I did, but if you read this PUA book you’ll get lucky just like me (even though you’re not 6’2 and objectively attractive like me and girls don’t even look at you)
                Frick off normalgay

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Surely doing nothing and being bitter on the internet will make your life better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m literally ginger, no matter how tall I am or how jacked I get will fix that
                I was already over before I had a chance

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>just bee yourself bro
                Not what I said at all. Said you have to work on social skills, specifically the parts where you initiate social interaction with a woman and then eventually convert that into sex. Also boosting your general non-romantic social life is important also.
                >women threw themselves at me so I definitely know what you need
                I specifically responded to anons who said they were tall and attractive but otherwise bad with women. That was me exactly. So yes I'm not talking to bitter ugly manlet incels who only want to spew rage and circlejerk with other incels about hating women for being women and not wanting to suck their pathetic loser microdicks. (Even though the world is full of examples of ugly men who are good with women anyway)

                Unironically though, Roosh's stuff is good if you're an autist, otherwise Chateau Heartiste is the best

                Yep. Only ones actually worth a damn. Heartiste was more consistently on point with assessment of what women are like.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                projecting and seething normalhomosexual frick off

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What do I have to seethe about? You seem to be the one steaming mad and full of rage.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Practice talking to a wall. If you can maintain a convo with a wall for 5 mins, you can literally bullshit with any girl

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I've found that plenty of women basically expect you to do 95% of the work in a conversation.
            Yes and it drains me so fricking much

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Protip women are complete narcissists so all you have to do is make them talking about themselves. You could barely say anything other ask questions about them and they will consider it the best date they've ever been on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah the key is to have a few fun topics to start with and get her comfortable with you. As soon as that happens she'll do most of the talking.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sub5 anons, don't fall for the social skills maxxing psyop. Improve your looks first then your social skills.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's literally no good reason why you can't or shouldn't improve both.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree that both should be improved but when you have literal 7s or above "handsome but autistic" guys telling you "oh yeah, social skills is king anon. Just bee yourself" now that's just straight up disingenuous. If you're a sub5, you should immediately dismiss whatever "advice" they peddle as its most likely to be a shit take that works for them cuz they were already attractive to begin with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >social skills is king anon. Just bee yourself
                That's a contradiction, moron. Developing social skills is not "being yourself" if you are a loser with no friends.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron just bee yourself was added to put emphasis on their disingenuousness baka

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly and in the process reveals himself to be a fricking moron who has no idea what the language he's using even means. He's just raging incoherently.
                If you're ugly, bald, short and stupid and have no skills and never win at anything in life more challenging than a bench press, then yes, you will die an incel.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >improve your looks first
            So get bone restructuring surgery?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It depends, if you're that much of genetic dead end then yeah go for it. Surgery should always be your last option. You should try leanmaxxing first, then skinmaxxing, hairmaxxing and stylemaxxing. Bonus, if your white you could always take the SEAnic route just be aware that your offsprings will be genetically inferior.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if nothing else works. Yes.
              Unless you are fine with taming some goblin from the depths of south american jungles, or a SEA asiatic so crooked that even caricatures don't do her justice

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Grow your hair out
          I feel the most confident with long hair

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            don't do this if you are under 6'3 and you have ugly face

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honest question, how do you get it wrong? I'm 6' and pretty good looking too (although I have b***h wrists) and it's basically always the ice breakers thats I struggle with. If the woman is receptive and nice I'm good, witty even. I've found that plenty of women basically expect you to do 95% of the work in a conversation. Even mid-unnattractive girls will just sit there and wait for you to entertain them.

          odds are that I am more handsome than both of you. sorry bros.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is they're both buffers for possible failure. Women will reciprocate until you go into the negatives by "fricking up", but their line for when you've "fricked up" is pushed back depending on how you look or how you conduct yourself.
          A simple way of explaining it, say you trip over and a woman sees it. If you're hot enough, it'll warrant a slight laugh and nothing else. If you're socially adjusted enough and you can laugh it off convincingly, they'll laugh it off too. If you're both, then faceplanting like a dork will not even affect their view of you, possibly even making it an endearing little incident to humanize you.
          On the other hand, if you're an awkward loser and you look like some anxious lost child getting back up, your image will absolutely plummet and they'll remember that time you fell over as something to constantly laugh at.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is true, they can open the door for you, but not take you all the way.

          I am a 5'9 manlet and I mog most 6"+ morons because they can't behave like humans.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is true but manlets still get the short end. Women will tolerate 7/10 looks until they realize he’s a creepy incel sperg.
          Women will not even tolerate 5/10.
          10/10 they’ll keep around even if he’s a child rapist.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you type "I'm 6'" like implying you are tall? That woman is the same height lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 5'4", I was a KHHV until 24. I met my GF 3 years ago. I never worked out, let alone gymcel'd. Only now am I working out, for my sake and for the Lord, not for my GF.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just reframe it in your mind as reps, each convo is a rep

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm good at talking to women once I've found a conversation starter. I can't for the life of me find a reason to chat one up in the gym...

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because confidence comes from success, no matter what some pozzed homosexual online tries to say. You can’t fail again and again with something that you can’t really measure the “improvement” of, and come out think “yeah that was good.” Especially where compared to other things that you can practice and get good at, there’s a whole element that negates whatever practice you have—and that’s the woman. Imagine if you were strong enough to bench two plates, but you don’t know this yet, you haven’t done it, and every time you went to rep one, a woman just pushed the bar down.
    >w-well, f-f-fake it ‘till you make it!
    Yeah? According to pozzed homosexuals women have a sixth sense and can sense desperation and false confidence, so what’s that help moron?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You can’t fail again and again with something
      So why do you think it is you are constantly failing then?
      >Imagine if you were strong enough to bench two plates, but you don’t know this yet, you haven’t done it, and every time you went to rep one, a woman just pushed the bar down.
      Your analogy here starts out ok but veers off course as soon as the guy tries a rep and the evil woman pushes the bar back down.
      That is NOT the scenario this thread was about. More like you're strong enough to bench two plates, but you'll never know it because you're afraid to get on the bench in the first place.
      No one is "pushing the bar back down" on you when you're afraid to even talk to women.
      >Yeah? According to pozzed homosexuals women have a sixth sense and can sense desperation and false confidence, so what’s that help moron?
      Better than nothing. But the point of that advice is that you eventually either git gud or start believing your "false confidence" yourself, at which point it becomes actual confidence.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get better at goal setting. If you measure your steps as talk to girl > immediately sleep with her, yea you will always fail. I got better at game by setting goals that slightly pushed me past my comfort zone despite starting off peak autismo

      >today ill maintain eye contact
      with every girl even if it feels rapey
      >that wasnt so bad. Ill practice smiling
      >now ill work on briefly saying hello
      >ez. I can try making small talk
      >maybe now ill work on having a more extended convo asking her stuff
      >i can add in asking for help
      >wait maybe ill ask for her number too

      Etc etc. Once u can get numbers easily, ull need to work on what to do on dates. Bomb enough and ull get better at it. Ive approached hundreds of girls, bombed on double digit first dates before I learned how to bring them back to my place consistently. Now im with my dream girl and done with the game, but you can eventually get there if you put in enough work like anything else

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Counting every single calorie and rigid gym routines appeal to people with extreme autism

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idk I just finished reading a Reddit post about a woman who is now going to sue for sexual harassment because a man asked for her phone number. I see lots of women that I would love to date but being put on a sex offenders list for asking for a number is a bit to much of a risk. sorry ladies you have to start approaching first now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have to go back

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Weights don't say no.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    women prefers bears and criminal convicted men over normal men

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't being fit translate to more confidence around women?
    It does. It helps a lot. It makes you more physically attractive and gives you more confidence.

    The problem is that it's never going to be enough, by itself, to overcome lack of social game. And developing your muscles alone in the gym is far easier than developing your social game by practicing in live social environments with single women. It's a trap, a way to satisfy your ego and feel like you're making progress even though it will never be enough progress to matter.

    Narcissism frequently plays a role in two ways:
    (a) Can't admit your attraction skills are at DYEL levels in the first place
    (b) Can't admit that PUA chuds were right about women all along and you need to work on your game

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. no gym for your face.
    2. no gym for your height.
    And face and height are the things that are actually taken into account when it comes to how you have been treated throughout middleschool-college.
    If you failed to properly experience socializing with women during those times, its almost impossible to learn how to do it later on.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women choose who gets fricked, which is why a lot of guys think they aren't good enough, despite all their achievements. Guys are afraid of being rejected, not the women themselves.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are there so many gymcels?
    guys who get women don't bother going to the gym, and going to the gym won't get you women. if you look at the average gym dude who's not training for a specific sport, he's only there because he thinks it will help him get laid. if he was getting laid, he wouldn't be there in the first place.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >guys who get women don't bother going to the gym, and going to the gym won't get you women.
      I agree with the second part, but the first part is pure cope.
      I go to the gym because I love it, and because I like being strong and healthy as well as looking good. I got women before the gym and could do so again if I gave it up, but I'm not giving it up.
      Ironically if more people here had my attitude about fitness and did it for themselves because they actually enjoyed it, there'd be fewer dyels posting here and they'd look better and be more likely to get laid anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's not true I have severe body dysmorphia and never once lifted for girls

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Becoming IST is a multiplier, which means if you get zero pussy prior to getting IST you'll more than likely still get zero pussy even after becoming jacked. But if you get pussy before getting IST you will most definitely get even more pussy after becoming IST.

    And the vast majority of IST posters fall into the first category, hence all the endless kissless virgin threads on here. That's just how it is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm in the second group so take my opinion for what it's worth, but I can't believe the gymcel shouldn't be getting at least *something* out of it in terms of success with women and not just a multiplier of zero.
      It seems to me that if it's really not helping at all that something else is going wrong here. For example, either the gymcel has such large underlying issues like lack of confidence, body dysmorphia, etc that the lifting just on its own can't help, or that they're just lifting wrong and still don't actually look good (powershitters, dyels, etc)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't believe the gymcel shouldn't be getting at least *something* out of it in terms of success with women and not just a multiplier of zero
        Only extreme cases like someone being extremely obese, where he already barely looked like human in the first place.

        But a standard guy who gets no pussy will still more than likely get no pussy even after he is able to lift more plates.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not here to prove you wrong because I generally agree with you, but I'm an outlier- I was WAY more successful with women when I was scrawny and outgoing than I am now in my hermit lifting phase. Adult-onset autism is real.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gymcels only get hate by eurogays and third world gays. Its a good hobby for anyone in the anglosphere.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    99% of IST are incels who can't get laid/girlfriends, and don't know why. After all, their amazing personality should attract women. Women like guys with hobbies, so playing PC games with their other single male friends should be good enough to interest a woman. The 2 week online coding boot camp they've been putting off for a month should attract women who are looking for a guy who's career-focused. What gives? So they look in the mirror, see that they have a jelly donut gut instead of a 6-pack, and a lightbulb turns on in their head.
    If they just lift weights and build some muscle, a woman will come knocking on their mom's basement door to meet them and have sex with them. After all, they're a catch (their mom tells them everyday!), they just need a body to match it. 🙂

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the utter refusal to accept that height and face are everything by the ones more geneticaly blessed will never cease to amaze me

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Totally spilled my spaghetti today at the gym at work to a superfit chick who gives lessons there. Spent two minutes talking about who would use the last available threadmill.
    She let me use it but I don't have much time in the morning anyway. She's two inches taller than me and has legs made of steel.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    T. 6'2" 31 pretty good looking and fit (a little fluffy right now though) but not total knockout, body count around 28. The honest truth is women are all over the fricking place with what they want, their type, what matters to them about you, and to top if off this can change from day to day due to their cycle, what's going on in their life at the time, etc. That means you just have to look at it as a numbers game and shoot a bunch of shots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >6'2
      That explains why you have sex
      >inb4 some larp about how some 5'9 manlet is pulling all the b***hes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have friends of below-average height who just shoot shots with moderate confidence and they score. I have to work through my shyness to do it too

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. I once went on a multi-day trip with a group of friends. I brought my then-girlfriend and two of her friends (one of whom was a cute big-titty blonde). I watched a chubby, disheveled pothead armed with nothing but exceptional wit and determination work on the blonde for two days and by the end of the trip he was banging her.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I already said all larps can frick off

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of different tastes exist but a base line is face, structure and height.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's because getting jacked is relatively easy compared to fixing a socially stunted childhood.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's insanely hard to even find women so you never develop social skills and confidence around them, past school we never naturally meet women, when you find a chick at the bar or the store, gym, you then have to cold approach start a bullshit conversation to get their number, but you never talk to them at all prior so it's like going to fight a grizzly bear but having 0 fighting experience, fricking up terribly the whole way and not knowing why.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pro tip: never listen to any advice on dating given by men who claim or is 7 and above. Especially if you're an autistic and/or ugly dude. Their "advice" would do you more harm than good as your circumstances vastly differs. A prime example is "just bee yourself", sex havers would throw this quintessential shit take around, ignore it. Also frick puashit, never pay attention to those too 10/10 most likely to be scammers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      problem.
      Old puashit books are the only materials that actually go in depth on the topic of male-female relations, they made it into actual science, and they lay it out in a language fit for morons. And assuming you are a virgin over 20, you are a complete social moron in that regard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No amount pua esoteric knowledge would compare to female gaze optimized looks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          obviously.
          But if you did not have the looks to atleast get some female attention beforehand. Lookmaxing is unlikely to let you cross that barrier.
          Now you are older, and maxxing out your appearence is not even getting your foot in the door, its being allowed to even line up in front of said door.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But pua should never be relied on especially if some areas of your looks can be improved. For those who couldn't improve past normie standards tho, they should just aim to looksmatch with their fellow genetic dead end or moneymaxx and hookup with someone above their level, but that would only earn their dependence and never attraction.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is some misunderstanding here.
              If you were depraved of socializing with females with romantic undertones in your developmental years, you are not going to learn those things by osmosis anymore, thats not happening, the expectations are different, the room for error is different.
              You are basicaly an elementary - middleschooler mentally if you haven't had that contact in those years, and nobody besides oldschool pua books discusses how to start talking to females in a moron friendly manner. By no means am I saying you should be cold approaching or any of that. But nobody else has made a science of male-female body language, conversation steering, mood and boundries and laid it out in a way thats digestable for morons.
              No friend is going to explain to you how it works because they don't understand that shit at all, it just happens for them.
              No therapist / psychiatrist / psychologist is going to explain it to you, because they either have no actual clue or worse yet, they will tell you some blue pill lies that sound good and "unproblematic".
              Looksmatching is not a thing, because females can hold long lasting relationships with people that in terms of looks are up to 2 points ahead of them, and thats without counting in outliers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure I get your point on this kind of knowledge being helpful to those who are too moronic to talk to women. But for the average dude who has daily interactions with women but fails to elicit some sort attraction, prioritizing social skills is a waste of time. Not that I'm saying that its not important but to get your foot in the door, improving your looks should always be your first priority.
                I completely agree on therapists just throwing bullshit tho. Never go to therapy lads, they're a waste of money and time.
                Looksmatching works mate, its the simplest go to option for your average sub5.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never implied you should prioretize it.
                Looks are king.
                As for looksmatching my experiences and observations are wastly different.
                Sub5 males under age of 30 are out of the dating world here. Past the age of 30 you might be allowed to become a provider for some 3/10 goblin with more miles on her pussy than a New York taxi and quite possibly a kid, and obviously its going to be full matriarchal relationship wher e you are constantly humiliated and hated, chances are that you will be also cheated on.
                I have never seen looksmatched couple under 25 with the exceptions of people that started dating in elementary / middleschool, and with those guys it seems that majority of these relationships just don't last.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Content in talks is mostly irrelevant. Many men still think there's a system, like in a game, that unlocks female interest.

                Casual small talk is enough to get laid - given you're handsome.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >given you're handsome.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ignore everything said in the conversation
                >post a reply
                >while redditspacing like a mother fricker
                KYS.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, it's the opposite. Women skills are always useful. Good skills, anyway (lots of pua shit is garbage grift), not only can you boost the quality of girl no matter where you start (eg "looksmatch"+1 vs -1), you will improve the quality of the relationship. Lots of numales who technically have had sex and spend a lot of time shitting on incels online have awful hambeast feminist 'girlfriends' who bully them and generally make their lives miserable.

              If you have decided to forgo women that's fine, so long as you aren't perpetually seething about it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >b yourself
      yeah I don't even know why people say this shit when 99% of the time woman, people & jobs in general don't want you to be yourself at all, they want a cookie cutter person, don't do this don't do that, follow social norms, reply this way, don't be too clingy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Society is a lie to control the uncontrollable via mass cattle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely.

      We had one good looking dude in class(tech. oriented) and he did not have any "social skills" and was a wanted man. If he went for it he could have fricked all chicks but his girlfriend kept him busy. He was soft spoken, a bit dumb and friendly - perfect boyfriend for the masses.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not hard to get a quality girlfriend if you work on yourself guys. This includes working on yourself physically, mentally, financially, and socially. Solely going to the gym isn’t enough, especially if you want a quality woman. Looksmaxxing will only do so much if you don’t work on your other attributes. Thankfully, I learned this before this sad modern blackpill era. And if a woman rejects you, who gives a frick. There are 4 billion females on this planet and you think there isn’t one (that you want) that would be interested in you? Bullshit. Also, stay away from online dating.
    As for me, I’m thinking of finally proposing to my gf of 5 years, pic related.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just :bee: tall with full head of hair and a jawline sharp enough to cut steak
      >it ain't that hard
      LOL
      LMFAO, even.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The photo that saved IST

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My biggest problem right now is an apparent lack of opportunities. As other posters have said online dating is worthless, but irl social networking opportunities have become harder and harder to come by since high school/college. I scored more at age 17-20 than ever since then just by being around lots of people my age, despite being socially moronic and a broke gamer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same brother, I feel like more than anything else it's a numbers game and you'll simply never be exposed to tons of women constantly (and in a social "warm approach environment" like a classroom) once you're out of school.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thank god college is free where I live.
      Even though I already have masters I was able to start a new bach degree just to meet girls.
      Other than that I had luck in climbing gyms and apps that help you gather groups for trekking trips.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Even though I already have masters I was able to start a new bach degree just to meet girls.
        based

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go to church. The competition is low and it's about the only hope of finding a decent girl

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You sure??

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Churches only have used up b***hes.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Church girls are the biggest prostitutes in colleges

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It gave me confidence, but it just turned my “ugly fat serial killer” vibe into “muscles serial killer” vibe. Still doesn’t help get me grills.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think most men are truly afraid of women, I think most men are so unremarkable as they have done nothing to separate themselves from other men, leaving themselves with nothing worth talking about to another person or woman.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After reading this thread now everthing gets clear why the west will fall and gazillions will die.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its unironicly because israelites funded the women rights movement, work = pussy was the pillar that civilization was built upon. The moment that was taken away by giving females the right to work, society was doomed, things like contraception or social media just accelerated the inevitable.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >decide I will ask out gym crush the next time I see her
    >she hasn't been there for a couple weeks, but I'm committed
    >walk in today, see girl dressed exactly like her, who looks very similar from behind
    >super excited, I'm ready for this
    >notice that this girl has dyed blonde hair that's a lot longer, plus what would be two new tattoos, plus she's a lot shorter
    >go use the machine next to her just to be sure
    >her face is different
    >oh well
    The MIS thread died so I figured this was the best place to post this. I was SO ready for it, this just proves it to me. When she's there next, this will be the first girl I ever ask out. I had accepted some blackpill beliefs for too long, and I just recently got over them. WAGMI bros

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shes seen you creeping, this is why she hasnt been around for a few weeks. you've scared her away anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm too whitepilled to fall for this. Literally the time before this, a bunch of people who hadn't been there for a while showed up again. And now this time, that girl who looked very similar at first was there. These are signs. It's my destiny to ask this girl out, no matter what the outcome is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I asked mine out last year.
      We exchanged numbers and spoke for a while but it didn't go anywhere.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It must feel better to know though. That's why I'm going to do it, I want to know the outcome, whatever it ends up being

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The thing is where do you even meet single women? It's like they don't exist once you graduate university

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >inb4 bars, clubs, social circle, dating apps

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Expanding your social circle is the #1 way to increase your odds at meeting a good woman. If your existing friends are all gymcels or gamer nerds maybe you need to branch out and find some new friends.

        The thing is where do you even meet single women? It's like they don't exist once you graduate university

        >It's like they don't exist once you graduate university
        Single ones go to cities, usually big ones where high-status men can be found.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Expanding your social circle
          Impossible to do once you're out of university and work from home

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            too bad, computer autist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Church, coffee store, rec sports, friend groups, interest groups, bars etc

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LULZ thread

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok incel

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being lean and fit did make me more confident and attractive to women, I spent a year dating and I got sick of them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What'd you get sick of in particular?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't being fit translate to more confidence around women?
    It does, and most people on the gym do. You are living a delusion to cope, like that homosexual who says people who don't work out must read more.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not smart enough to go to where women go to mate. So their own stupidy.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I want to talk to disgusting slimy stinky talking vegana?

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because IST spammed IMPROV UR SELF for 20 years so there are like 3 generations (younger gen x, gen y, gen z) who all decided to HIT DA GYM in their 20s/30s to get the attention from women they crave.

    But the US has a weird culture where women will give you the barest of glances while smiling and it puts you in a spot like "does she want me or is she just being friendly" which is unfair to the men, but obviously a guy who already was autistic but is now ISTtistic after spending years and years in the gym is not going to know what to do with that.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they were fockin big they would ve much more confident but they never really bulk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >abs now
      Sure, bulking for 1yr will make it so you can maingain forever after. Get a less whorish gf first then get a new one after ezpz.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is completely right about femoids. You need to beat all the shit out of them with constant beatings.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women love tattoed unemployed DYELs (me)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They literally can't love, dude. They aren't even humans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They womanlove or whatever you wanna call it.
        >They aren't even humans.
        Never said they are

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3D women are not important

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they don't want to be labeled a creep at a gym.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am age 21, 5'6 and 5/10 face. I will literally never be loved or desired by a woman, and subsequently will never be respected by peers or ever have friends. I have zero opportunities in life no matter what I do. I have been living the same day for 5 years, nothing of worth has happened and if anything life has got worse. My only friend group abandoned me for being an Incel, even after reaching out nobody wants to associate with a manlet. I work a shit dead end minimum wage job even though I have decent qualifications with no better job offers. I have no interest in anything, no hobbies, no talent, I have nothing. No, gymcelling didn’t work. No, personality doesn’t matter. No, I will not engage in any more self improvement ploys it’s all cope. Life is literally all height and face nothing else matters Everyone else was handed life. Why shouldn’t I be bitter?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you work a dead end minimum wage job at 21? Did you go to higher education?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have an unconscious revulsion response towards speaking with women. They are like black holes of bad attitudes.

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ll try talking to a woman wish me lick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I got you my man

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always tried to gymcel, but I've literally never been able to keep one away for long enough.

    t. Generally considered handsome by women

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not afraid of women. That being said, It's Friday night and I will be lifting, alone.

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