why do cage fighters have slightly above average bodies?
Beating another human in hand to hand combat is quite literally peak performance. No other task is as taxing to the mind and body.
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>any 400 pound bloatlord from IST could crush this dudes skull in an instant
Literally proven wrong by the first 10 seconds in UFC 1
the jiu jitsu guys they were shilling were never manlets tho
this is the fight he's talking about: https://youtu.be/Za6HeiTJIWI?t=337
400 lbs sumo wrestler tries to double leg a kickboxer and gets his teeth knocked out in 10 seconds.
400 pound and took a weeks course in juijitsu
By Super Foot Wallace burping and calling the event by the wrong name?
T. Guy that knows nothing about fighting.
By sitting on them maybe
An important distinction has to be made, the majority of those 400lbs need to be contractile tissue, not lard. Kabib could still easily take down someone built like Boogie (or just keep speedwalking away until boog's heart gives out), but against someone built like Brian Shaw ... good luck.
"Muh leg kick" Try kicking a telephone pole full-force, come back and let me know who won.
Heel hooks and chokes are pretty good against unskilled big guys since you can't train your knee ligaments or your carotid arteries, but if you give them a bit of defensive training it gets tough.
You are mind broken if you think that is just slightly above average. Seek medical help.
he looks like a barrel with 6 packs
Who'd guillotine choke you to oblivion.
He's all back. Min maxed for wrestling/ground and pound dominance.
>a Sixpack is slightly above average
Where do you live?
You don't need much muscle to be the best fighter. It's mostly skill, cardio, and strength endurance when weight classes are taken into account. If there were no weight classes then most of the top guys would probably be around the mid to high 200s for weight with a few freak outliers
because they're not body builders? Any other athlete that's also not body builders looks "slightly above average"
BJJ autists would tell you that the first UFCs settled everything and that 5'8 130 lbs royce gracie would destroy anyone but the early UFCs were semi-rigged in the sense that they prevented serious experienced grapplers from competing until Gracie stepped out and instead they fought mostly karate morons traning out of their garage.
But then Japan in the 2000s when UFC was eating shit would have open weight tournament and sure enough the normal heavyweights dominated it. They would also have freakshow fights that featured smaller dudes against giant tubs of shit and almost every single time the smaller one won.
Even in Sumo which has no weight categories the top division and top ranks rarely goes past 350 lbs.
>I’ve never thrown a punch in my life but I’d still frick your up just because I’m 6’3 224 pounds
You're not tall and you're 224 lbs of tacos and soft drink, you would fall over tripping over your own feet.
If Kazushi Sakuraba was at UFC 1, everyone would be learning catch wrestling instead of BJJ. But it wouldn't have become as popular as BJJ is now days because its a rough ass sport.
BJJ is a fine grappling art but you gotta admit there's a ton of soitwinks filling those gyms.
People are only learning jiu jitsu these days because it's part of the game, there hasn't been a true BJJ champion in frickin years, a decade probably it all started to go downhill for BJJ bros when Gracie left the UFC and they let grapplers in.
these days everyone basically fights as ground and pound or simply staying on top and winning by points.
Lmao you said all that and posted a jiu jitsu fighter who is champion in the most competitive division in the ufc
He's right though. All the guys train BJJ just so they can defend subs and BJJ shit but they don't actually win fights using BJJ. They win them either by wrestling or boxing. Charles is a rare example of someone winning mostly with BJJ (although his striking is tremendous as well). This is why I'm so hyped for Makhachev vs Oliveira because we're finally going to see if real deal elite BJJ can defeat the sambo wrestlers from Dagestan
>real deal elite BJJ can defeat the sambo wrestlers
Why is this the narrative? It's literally just about individuals, not styles at this point. The sambo guys use bjj/judo techniques all the time, the bjj guys use wrestling all the time.
Bjj is still super relevant considering every single fighter trains it extensively, it's just being absorbed into "mma grappling" in general. MMA is really its own style at this point. The sport has evolved so much in the past ten years that specialists don't exist anymore. We saw Ngannou wrestlefrick his way to a decision this year. And land a scissor sweep lol.
>Bjj is still super relevant
you can thank one-sided rules for that
Rules go both ways, you can't slam people either.
>them any more or less competitive than any other weight division?
The fact that a lot of the top 10 guys are probably just as good as the top 5 guys and would give them a run for their money.
>yes, you can't kick BJJ floormats in unified rules MMA - but you can't slam them either. so the rules goes both ways
Stomping on head is allowed in mma?
What the frick is illegal then?
Bringing a knife into the ring?
Allowed back in Pride I think, and early ufc.
Its hilarious, imagine training your ass off for years, then finally get a professional fight, you get tripped over nd the fights ends as your opponent stomps and soccer kicks your head into mush, the same strategy dyel beer belly scum use all over the world on the streets at closing time in bars and nightclubs.
Good thing its outlawed in modern mma
>you get tripped over nd the fights ends as your opponent stomps and soccer kicks your head into mush, the same strategy dyel beer belly scum use all over the world on the streets at closing time in bars and nightclubs.
that's why pro fighters generally want to learn takedown defense. What's wrong with tripping someone? Or with kicking them when they're down? A fight's a fight, no?
MMA used to sell itself as "no rules" and the closest thing to actual real life fighting and this was maybe true for some time like the first few UFCs but even back then there was basic rules like no biting or eye gouging. groin was fair shot for some time.
but as the UFC had to turn into a sport to work its way into the legal system and the country properly, in Japan it remained a spectacle for quite some time and head stomps were allowed so were knees to a downed opponent the organization PRIDE had open weight tournaments.
There's still some difference between MMA rules in north america/europe and in Asia where they still allow stomps (but no longer to the head) and knees to a downed opponent as well as the forbidden elbow
The main reason for the differences in rules is that MMA and fighting shit is most likely as far as promotions go linked to the Yakuza, at least Pride was 100% yakuza backed.
>most competitive division
what a meme, what makes them any more or less competitive than any other weight division?
What, you want Olivera to show up in the ring with a gi on to fight Makhachev? Can't argue too much with anything else you said.
>H-He has no openings! I can't imagine me being able to land a solid blow on him anywhere! Is this truly the pinnacle of Japanese Martial Arts?
> Any other athlete that's also not body builders looks "slightly above average"
NFL athletes rushing in your direction
Post body
Because he needs to stay on weight. And besides, there is a point of diminishing returns in regards to muscles and fighting, i there is a reason all the best heavyweights have historically been between 225-255lbs, extra muscles past that doesn't seem worth it.
Professional “fighters” always make me laugh like yeah you may constantly train but your 5’8 145 pounds I’ve never thrown a punch in my life but I’d still frick your up just because I’m 6’3 224 pounds
If you actually got into a fight you’d just get shot or stabbed so I wouldn’t worry about it
t. never got in a physical altercation or sparred in his life
Yea u should fight khabib irl i bet you would knock his ass out
Mike Tyson was like 5'11" and he was one of the best heavyweight boxers of our time. He could knock a 6'3" homosexual like you on his ass in the time it takes you to blink
You would be like a bird fighting a crocodile in water. It's beyond one sided when fighting a skilled ground fighter.
Lmao only 6'3"???? At that weight most collegiate d1 wrestler could easily frick you up. You've obviously never been in a fight w someone at that calibre. You'd be on the ground in seconds.
You wouldn't be able to land a single punch on a decent amateur fighter even.
This. I don't think normalgays realize how steep the mountain is when it comes to the levels in a combat sports situation, how easily dominated someone can be just from a few ranking differences.
An untrained man stands a 1% chance against an real ameteur mma fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a low level pro fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a top 100 ranked fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a ranked 15 fighter. Then he stands a 1% chance against a real top of the food chain champion.
double dubs of truth. Quite literally there's levels to this shit
>An untrained man stands a 1% chance against an real ameteur mma fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a low level pro fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a top 100 ranked fighter. He stands a 1% chance against a ranked 15 fighter. Then he stands a 1% chance against a real top of the food chain champion.
yeah right. that would make fighting more skill intensive than chess. a sport that gives you BRAIN DAMAGE yeah lmao
more like 10%
>skill intensive
Yes. There's a reason why it's a sport where athletes go long into their late 30s and even 40s, long after their athletic peak of the late 20's; after losing their explosiveness, speed, and athleticism, the skill acquisition can trump all of it, despite possible brain damage.
um
you get smarter the older you get and you got more time to memorize things the longer you play, plus you get more field experience. I've been playing chess from a young age and mostly online and I've been improving with age since I can think more calmly under pressure more.
Same statistics go for FPS games vs Strategy games in e-sports, more older people are usually better in strategy than shooters.
Route memorization, calculating or memorizing moves ahead of the time being played, literally thinking 5+ moves ahead in 2 seconds if playing 1min bullet or 3 min blitz.
Vs what is essentially twitch shooter the sport (UFC) where you have to react to visual cues and go for trained muscle memory movements since you don't have as much time to think typically.
always funny to see the cope of people that prioritized physical stuff first in their life and have to cope with an intellectual deficit for pretty much the rest of their lives. I can't imagine just pulling numbers out of my ass instead of actually calculating them let alone my guess being that absurdly wrong. but hey someone has to work at walgreens
Grow some balls, step into a local gym, and get humbled. Those numbers are generous. You don't have to sacrifice any braincells to roll in bjj, but you do have to be born with a modicum of honor.
>ackshually I would've calculated the chances of x tier fighter beating x tier fighter
Nice job posturing on the internet homosexual, really gaining respect there. I'm sure on your end you'd really bring out the spreadsheets instead of being a sniveling coward.
Once you'll get into the gym, you'll see people who don't seem to be that different in their abilities, size, or experience, but some guys can consistently pin/submit/dominate other guys, who can consistently pin/submit/dominate other guys, despite all of them being of similar accolades and records on the surface. This is what levels are, and they run deep.
you said something ridiculous and silly it's time to move on
Roll with a blue belt. You will win 0 in 100 times.
no thanks i'm straight
>said the man on IST
I would love to see that guy fight Chris Barnett
I've had no training at all and I sparred with a trained fighter (he fought for money) and dominated him. I weighed over 100 lbs more than him and am decently athletic. He was a quick little shit but it didn't matter. I could hit him with body shots and even when he blocked or absorbed the punches they still took a toll. I just chopped wood and the punches he threw had little to no impact. I would not be the slightest bit scared to fight him or any lightweight or featherweight for real. Mass matters.
imagine thinking you going full out against someone who's intentionally using you for your weight, in practice, means you won
I wasn't going full out. I would've killed him.
None of them are 145 lbs, except maybe the guys fighting flyweight. Khabib fights at 155 but walks around at 185. Even the 145-ers and the 135-ers walk around in the 165-170 range. All the guys above welterweight walk around over 200 lbs.
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You can have every physical advantage possible over a person, if you're not trained you'll really not know what to do with them even if you get your hands on them.
This is why so many real life fights end up with two people rolling on the ground exhausted even if one of them is much larger. Unless someone is dumb enough to let their heads unprotected within your range you'll need some technique to know how to do damage and some conditioning to be able to sustain pressure.
You literally cannot punch as hard as a lightweight boxer. You have no idea how fighting works.
Incredible b8 enjoy your yous
Buy a bag and start hitting it guarantee you will be gassed in a matter of minutes literally anyone who trains in any form of fighting semi seriously would push your shit in you can't even throw a punch you big boys get too wienery
Because theyre fighting against people of their own weight class
Too much muscle is counter productive to fighting as fighters with shredded physiques gas out too fast
So it is intentional for endurance purposes
There are some fighters who have reallly shredded physiques with low body fat, but it comes at the cost of gassing out of the fight goes for a long time
So those fighters rely on explosive KOs and or otherwise ending the fight earlier in the first round or two
>why do cage fighters have slightly above average bodies?
too much stress from regular constant training
too little muscle work
too much dieting
They are constrained by weight classes which means their skeletal structure usually fits a certain shape and they can’t build unlimited muscle
Often with the really competitive UFC most fighters will cut weight well below their 'walking around' weight to stay competitive in that weight class. If you go into the 185 division as some jacked up 5'7 dude you're gonna get your ass kicked by some lean 6'4 guy.
Not always what happens especially in UFC where you can always grapple and take down those frickers with long limbs who get just a bit too wienery, seen it happen on multiple occasions. Remember also there's been quite a few 5'8" sumo champs as well.
You need endurance but not ultimate endurance. Enough to go for 25 minutes. You need muscle but not ultimate muscle. You need to stay in weight range. You need strength and conditioning but not ultimate strength and conditioning. You still need to learn how to fight.
If you compare them to cbum who's a professional for muscle hypertrophy, of course they won't stack up. If you compare them to marathon runners and sprinters, they won't look the same either. It's why it's mixed martial arts and not mixed martial science.
I will concede that the talent pool is more shallow because the angry tomato will pay only 5 figures for a fight unless you're the face of the card. Dominick Reyes, for example, went into the UFC after he got mogged out of football. If MMA had the same prestige as the NFL or NBA you would see a bunch of genetic freaks fighting it out instead of people who are very funny, charming, and idiosyncratic.
I am happy to see IST hates Dana too
Based Dana hater, one championship is so underrated in terms of roster. I hope they make the UFC go bankrupt one day
I agree with you on most of that. Fighting is a whole different beast to NFL or NBA tho. Just because someone has the physical gifts to be a top level fighter, does not mean they are going to have the mental edge to get in a cage 2-3 times a year and put their body/reputation on the line against another man. As someone who's trained in legit gyms, I can tell you that being a fighter is just about the most difficult job around. The training is grueling. They are constantly injured but have to fight anyway to pay bills. One loss can set you back 3 steps in your career. Doesn't matter if you were sick or just having a bad night. You have to live with that loss for 3-6 months until you can fight again and redeem yourself.
Guys only fight because they have no alternative. The people who are crazy enough to fight in a cage for a living tend to be a bit different which is why some have those qualities you mentioned.
tl:dr. We'll never see the best athletes in the UFC, no matter how high the pay is.
Mirin' high IQ posts.
Because they don't train the same way bodybuilders do. Sure they use weights in S&C but a majority of their time is spent learning to grapple and strike.
There's a few fighters who look pretty built like GSP, Paulo Costa, Yoel Romero are the obvious ones.
Mariusz Pudzianowski went into MMA after WSM.
But for the most part it's just the fact that they aren't bodybuilders.
>Mariusz Pudzianowski
>what age and less roids does to a MFer
This fool won his last 5 fights in a row by KO or TKO. His most recent fight was this year. His record isn't the most impressive at 17-7 but he seems to be enjoying the sport.
he should fight hafthor or eddie hall
He'd probably beat both in MMA just due to experience at this point.
Would be a fun watch either way.
Both would get destroyed by literally any ufc heavyweight, never mind fighters that specialise in making you carry their weight and gassing you out
kek even with their prime WSM physiques Eddie/Hafthor vs Ngannou or Gane would be a massacre. Would actually pay to watch the card for once lol
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>Focus on endurance and function, not looks
>weight cutting
>A lot of dudes still look amazing
picrel
>mogs you
that's your own personal problem
The body you need to look good to other men and the body you need to last 25 minutes in a fight with other men look very different.
I've seen a 5'6 guy beat a 6'3 guy who was full of muscles in a bar fight. It was rather easy as well, most anons here never had a real fight and love to talk shit they know nothing about
Were you in Brussels?
>this is considered full of muscles in Brussels...
people who think they'd win a fight *just* because they're tall, are delusional
height only helps if you know how to use it
although size is always beneficial as it allows you to generate more force in grappling exchanges
What's the story behind red fury beating those chechen-pakis looking guys and their wiggers associates?
irish DNA, unexplainable
Fighting isn't bodybuilding. That's it.
>why do cage fighters have slightly above average bodies?
Khabib has a very strong core and back, why he looks like a barrel optimized for wrestling and grappling. Also, after a certain muscle mass, skill and cardio is more important.
My ideal physique. Unfortunately unattainable for mere mortals even with roids. This is the kinda physique you only get from a lifetime of wrestling and being a physical specimen
>a 5'7 manlet MMA israelite jitsu karate black belt can easily defeat anyon-
Nice try.
>30cm taller
>more than double their weight 58kg (123lbs) vs 146kg (321lbs)
He's 161 cm, which is like 5'2 not 5'7.
yea, you'll probably lose to someone who is literally triple your size. Any regular guy within a regular distribution of your size, you would literally kill. For example a 5'7 manlet would absolutely decapitate a 6'3 230lb gymbro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0IzY_3YqE.
But yes, if you weigh 500lbs and are 7ft tall and athletic you may have a shot.
This is a wrestling match moron. There's no ground game so it's all about being able to manipulate your opponent. When you include chokes and heel hooks it shifts to technique a lot, at least against untrained opponents.
> why do cage fighters have slightly above average bodies?
Weight classes, you want to be the largest person with the best reach within your weight class
>moggs you
>why do cage fighters have slightly above average bodies?
Fighters have far from the best genetics. They're essentially dumb and ugly enough to frick those things up even further on the hopes for a better life.
Bloated muscles with so called good insertions does not make up for poor neuromuscular connectivity and performance. An elite athlete has gone through and sustained biological changes that pitting them against a gymcel would be laughably pointless. The accomplished figher and the wrestler would kill any gym bro.
Are martial art classes cool? I’m a total autist and have no cardio
yes. do it for a while and you'll be a slightly more confident autist with a little cardio. literally no downsides.
he's so fruity
It helps his popularity that guys secretly want to frick him.
holy moly those lats
Yes and thats why most of them are lean and muscular but dont have excessive muscles to the point of hurting the cardio.
I don’t know
But I am confident prime André mogs 99.9% of fighters
Dude would drink 18 bottles of wine every night.
Also was freakishly strong.
that's normal for frenchmen
MMA fighters are jacked as frick for the modt part, they're just not obsessed with hypertrophy since it means they'd need to fight bigger guys
you probably have body dysmorphia
Costa is exceptionally swole though. must be that secret juice.
Costa is very jacket.
>kills you in two minutes
>doesn't get hit once
"Real men"
Gay ass bumsniffing sport for homosexuals. Real men box.
Real men fight with swords with no protection
>Gay ass bumsniffing sport for homosexuals
Sounds perfect for you what do you mean?
Weightclasses are a thing you moron, without them, everyone would be fatter and mkre muscular.
you are comparing them to bodybuilders and applying unrealistic standards.
test
men were evolved to be able to kill another man in hand to hand combat
simple as
We weren't meant to kill each other with our bare hands. Weapons did that job. We were meant to show dominance and leaving unharmed in the end, just like every other animal with intraspecific competition. We were meant to wrestle each other.
Because they're actually FIT for real
Cage fighters / MMA rely alot on their Legs, Forearms and Back. Also the smaller and more light weight they are the more agile they become.
weight classes b
MMA is peak gainz goblin