Look up dairy farms near you. Depending on where you live, it might not be legal to carry it in the supermarket, so you have to buy it straight from the farm.
hate to tell you this, but amazon has shares in just about every company on the planet now and if they don't outright own it, there is nothing stopping the owners themselves from investing in other companies that are public also.
there is a reason why every private corporation that opens up goes to shit within 5 years.
I hope that company gets broken up. Bloody ridiculous.
1 year ago
Anonymous
what can you do?
amazon owns more money than half the countries on the planet and unlike fake fed money it actually has the product/infrastructure of one trillion dollars.
Nothing outside of total liquidation of the modern economic debt is going to fight it.
Notice how communist blame capitalism, but still use the same debt figures. It's all a rigged game.
None of it matters as long as we don't revert back to zero.
In fact if USA faulted on all debt tomorrow, no one could say jack shit. Too much of the world is dependent on US food exports or foreign aid.
They have to listen to USA.
Which kind of proves why israelites control USA because why else would we not just default on our debts.
It depends on your local laws. Some states/countries ban raw milk, some you have to go to the farm to buy it or buy it as "pet food", and you can get it delivered in some places.
Check out
https://getrawmilk.com/raw-milk-laws
for state by state raw milk laws
>sugar bad
And that's why you're low test as frick kid.
Sugar is extremely efficient to absorb, which means the body doesn't work as hard to produce energy, which means you have more energy available to you in which to simply exist. Which lowers stress hormones and promotes the hormones needed for you to be a fricking man.
have a nice day vegan/keto shill
>bro if i just lie on the internet everyone should believe me
Look up dairy farms near you. Depending on where you live, it might not be legal to carry it in the supermarket, so you have to buy it straight from the farm.
You're correct.
It's called a farm share.
You buy a share of the farm (not literally to own, but a share of the product for that year).
At which point you have pickup days specific times of the week to which you pick up your product.
This can be done for butter, milk, meat, even animal products such as furs that you won't don't want industrially processed.
I've been doing it for decades now, I raise for wool and meat and trade for products within the community.
Best thing you can do for your life is find a farmers market and make those connections.
Raw milk is literally a godsend. It has the perfect macros to make a human be everything it needs to be.
Okay, I'll sum it up for you:
HDL in moderately high amounts = good
LDL in moderate amounts = good
VLDL = bad
Triglycerides = bad
Low HDL = bad
High LDL = Okay
High VLDL = dangerous
High Triglycerides = deadly
Sugar makes HDL go down, VLDL go up, and triglycerides go up.
As testosterone is manufactured, HDL trends upwards, and LDL (which when damaged by sugar becomes VLDL) trends downwards.
Cholesterol is needed to make hormones like testosterone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>bro look at this broscience with no backing haha that will show you
You do realize sugar is just glucose and all energy supplied in the body is converted to glucose right?
god damn imagine shilling against the only energy source your body can use.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh, you're moronic...
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him, but not all glucose is the same. One merely needs to look at people who consume large amounts of sugar, and compare those who don't. Your brain SHOULD, if it functions correctly, deduce the truth.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well, not only is sugar not even just glucose(it's half fructose, too. Enjoy the fatty liver disease), but the body has multiple fuel sources and can produce its own glucose.
There's never a reason to consume sugar.
You all need to hit the library baka
1 year ago
Anonymous
>but the body has multiple fuel sources and can produce its own glucose
And you have to deal with the health negatives of abusing those systems regularly.
Law of diminishing returns. >bro if i completely replace one meme diet with another i don't have any of the health negatives of a new meme diet
Jesus christ kid.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Source?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The law of diminishing returns.
That's literally the source.
No system can produce infinitely without
1. an eventual exponential increase of inserted (product).
2. the benefits of said product lowering in a time arc to match that of all other products.
Did you seriously think that the human body evolved to eat carbs and that you ignoring that system entirely would have no health repercussions newbie?
Your body gave you multiple avenues to create energy so that you could use all those avenues, therefore never abusing and overusing one.
If you want to min-max life and health you have to min-max those avenues.
I like how you homosexuals always say the most blatant bullshit yet the only two primary meat eating civilizations on the planet still eat sugar.
The african tribe that survives entirely on animal products gets sugar from milk.
the russian tribe that survives on fish literally supplements sugar from foraged berries, algae, roots, and literal tree bark.
Those are the two most extreme sources of anti-sugar on the planet and both for thousands of years have still consumed sugar.
Sugar consumption only increases as you move away from those two groups.
Both of those groups have a slew of health problems and health benefits because they are an extreme outlier.
Which is proven by the law of diminishing returns.
They have maximized certain health aspects, but now have reached a pinnacle where they can go no further.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I never said the human body should take in any carbs at all, I stated that glucose shouldn't be consumed, which is a pretty big hint that I'm against saccharide consumption.
Sugar as an ingredient was extremely uncommon until closer to modern times, with the cultivation of the sugar beet.
Your argument is schizophrenic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
nta that anon but your spacing and name calling as a defense mechanism tells me all I need to know
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I stated that glucose shouldn't be consumed,
and that's wrong and you have no citations to argue against it.
Also your schizo argument makes no sense at all, because Eskimos existed without sugar for many generations until the white man taught them diabetes and heart attacks by introducing them to processed sugary garbage.
eskimos have eaten sugar for thousands of years.
do you think that roots, berries, shrubs, and various other plants don't magically grow in the north during certain seasons?
c'mon kid eskimos literal eat more sugar than the fricking cow farming africans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not wrong and I don't need citations in an internet argument. You're free to go about your life consuming sugar, it makes no difference to me. I've already cut that shit out of my life and am no longer addicted to its brain-fogging allurance.
So you're saying that the nasty survival food the Inuit rarely consumed or had much, if any, access to is somehow supposed to have been a primary fuel source for them when a sugar high doesn't even last a day? Now that's some real big thinking!
Where did you unearth this vast revelation? Let me guess: The Seventh Day Adventist Church?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's not wrong >but i don't have any citations
What's that? I too can pull things out of the ethereal.
Wait i'm getting a message now.
They say "You're a fricking homosexual and should have a nice day."
crazy I was just thinking you were a fricking homosexual and should have a nice day.
Provide citation or i'll keep laughing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Suddenly so violent! I thought you liked living things?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're responding to the wrong person.
https://i.imgur.com/mllQ8cO.jpg
Lmfao no it doesn't. Sugar raises total cholesterol and causes arterial damage if eaten in excess
You gotta remember the brain uses about 60 of your daily glucose so keto homosexuals are literal moron IQ.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dementia can be treated with a ketogenic diet. Ketones are a better fuel for your brain than glucose, which demented brains can't process thanks to insulin resistance.
You'll forget about this conversation, however.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Dementia can be treated with a ketogenic diet. >results were not significant in trial
kek
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You'll forget about this conversation, however.
Fricking kek. Based reply, too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also, meant to post >So what you're saying is you have no citations.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also your schizo argument makes no sense at all, because Eskimos existed without sugar for many generations until the white man taught them diabetes and heart attacks by introducing them to processed sugary garbage.
1 year ago
Anonymous
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-inuit-paradox
good read on the inuit's diet
1 year ago
Anonymous
>not all glucose is the same
Bro there are literally only two forms of glucose.
L-D Glucose.
All energy produce by the body is made into one of those isomers. You know that's true.
You can shill whatever mental gymnastics you want, but at the end of the day pure sugar is not some evil force newbie.
https://i.imgur.com/O36RiQw.jpg
Oh, you're moronic...
So what you're saying is you have no citations.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>LDL in moderate amounts = good
Wrong
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why is LDL bad, anon? What did cholesterol ever do to you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Why is LDL bad, anon?
It’s an independent risk factor for CVD
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're thinking of VLDL, which is what happens when LDL gets macerated by carbohydrate consumption (sugar eating).
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You're thinking of VLDL
No I’m not
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh, you're wrong, then.
Lol, idiot
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are just regurgitating decade old refuted low carb apologetics
1 year ago
Anonymous
We know CVD is not caused by LDL but VLDL, though. What you're declaring is that you haven't gotten up-to-date with decades-old science, and why would you? It's okay to be wrong. No one bats 100
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's just a carb/sugar addict.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>We know CVD is not caused by LDL but VLDL, though. What you're declaring is that you haven't gotten up-to-date with decades-old science, and why would you?
Wrong. It’s you who is parroting old science. The length of the exposure and the higher the LDL, the bigger the risk factor. Period.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You do realize that the standard tests they use don't differentiate LDL and VLDL, right?
Yikes...
1 year ago
Anonymous
>length of the exposure and the higher the LDL, the bigger the risk factor
no its not. people genetically high cholesterol have lower mortality in old age due to reduced cancer and infectious disease rates and normal rates of cvd
1 year ago
Anonymous
oh now the lie has acronyms in it, I appreciate the effort, but you have no idea what you are talking about dude
>It has the perfect macros to make a human be everything it needs to be.
Way too much fat to be a main calorie source. The optimal human diet contains <10% of caloires from fat.
IST is too moronic to understand this. Literally incapable of even the bare minimum of critical thought required to recognize that gmo high fructose corn syrup being bad doesn't mean that literally all sugars are bad.
>We don't need survival food anymore, this is the modern age.
The only foods that aren't survival foods are meat, honey, and fruit. A brief look at literally any hunter-gatherer tribe anyone on the planet will confirm.
see >some of the oldest cave art ever found depicts humans gathering honey
Humans have been doing this for so long that we have symbiotic relationships with birds: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide >Honeyguides are noted and named for one or two species that will deliberately lead humans directly to bee colonies, so that they can feast on the grubs and beeswax that are left behind
>out-of-season fruit storage techniques
Anatomically modern humans spent hundreds of thousands of years living in places where fruit was always in season before moving to more extreme climates. Your logic is on the level of looking at what Eskimos eat and basing your diet around it. People adapt extreme diets for extreme climates but if they have access to it, no human society in existence has ever not placed extremely high value on natural sugars.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The progression to climates that don't support fruit should've been the hint that they didn't need the fruit.
Magical Inuit lose their humanity for the sake of the argument, they're somehow now alien.
You sure do have to jump through many hoops. I just hope they're not FROOT hoops
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The progression to climates that don't support fruit should've been the hint that they didn't need the fruit.
No one said you NEED fruit to survive. You could eat nothing but fast food and live well into your 40s at the least. You can feed a dog a vegan diet and it will live more than long enough to reproduce.
It's pretty sad that you've been reduced to >w-well maybe fruit isn't bad for you and humans have always eaten it but you don't have to eat it to survive!
weak bro, really weak. The best part is knowing that you're destroying your body with a meme diet that literally no human society has ever followed in all of recorded history. Good luck!
1 year ago
Anonymous
Your side's original argument was that sugar was necessary for life, even going so far as to claiming that the brain exclusively uses glucose and that sugar is entirely made of glucose.
I told the truth, and helpfully pointed out that humanity hasn't always been within arms reach of fruit and honey.
I really don't understand how multiple people can be so blind to the facts of it all, but that's life in this brainfog hellhole.
1 year ago
Anonymous
the brain prefers ketones
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Your side
Oh ok, you're so far gone that you're conflating my points with those of complete strangers to pretend that you have some sort of gotcha here. More pathetic every post.
>humanity hasn't always been within arms reach of fruit and honey.
It literally has, though
>The honey bees of the modern world weren't invented, yet.
Fricking morons I swear to god. Why do people this stupid exist?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide >Some experts believe that honeyguide co-evolution with humans goes back to the stone-tool making human ancestor homosexual erectus, about 1.9 million years ago.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee#Origin,_systematics,_and_distribution >The first Apis bees appear in the fossil record at the Eocene-Oligocene boundary (34 million years ago)
Humans didn't migrate to more extreme climates until well into our evolutionary history. But that's not important, what's important is that >sugar was necessary for life
carbs are indeed necessary for life and this is evidenced by the fact that literally no human society that has ever existed has refused carbs, which were almost entirely in the form of sugars prior to the agricultural revolution.
But please, show us even ONE single human society that follows your meme diet. At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>how dare you group me with the side I entered on in an argument? You must now find a society that has no sugar addicts... haha, I win!
moron
>carbs are indeed necessary for life and this is evidenced by the fact that literally no human society that has ever existed has refused carbs
Okay, let's put it another way: the cultivation and consumption of sugar in all of its forms is neither essential or beneficial for any developed society that currently exists.
I don't need you to "gotcha" with breast milk containing a small amount of carbohydrates (although babies are naturally in ketosis and enter ketosis far, far quicker than adults).
The primary metabolic state humans should exist in is ketosis and the theoretical minimum amount of carbs necessary to be in perpetual ketosis throughout your life (post-infancy, of course) is 0.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No no no, my sneaky little friend. You're not dodging this one.
>Your side
Oh ok, you're so far gone that you're conflating my points with those of complete strangers to pretend that you have some sort of gotcha here. More pathetic every post.
>humanity hasn't always been within arms reach of fruit and honey.
It literally has, though
[...]
Humans didn't migrate to more extreme climates until well into our evolutionary history. But that's not important, what's important is that >sugar was necessary for life
carbs are indeed necessary for life and this is evidenced by the fact that literally no human society that has ever existed has refused carbs, which were almost entirely in the form of sugars prior to the agricultural revolution.
But please, show us even ONE single human society that follows your meme diet. At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
>At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
If ketosis is the ideal metabolic state then surely one group of people has figured it out during the past 300,000 years? There's at least one that didn't eat any carbs, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Any society that has meat, but lacks sugar, isn't starving for sweets.
Starvation food consumption or an occasional sweet found in the otherwise barren wilderness doesn't make humanity evolve into sugar-centered beings.
Your argument is just ridiculous, since what I'm describing is medical fact and you're... just asking for historical precedence as if sugar consumption is somehow justified?
You could argue that all societies require alcohol with such logic.
We even have modern carnivores who have eaten nothing but meat for decades. Just because sugar-eating is a worldwide trend, it doesn't mean mankind has suddenly required it or needed it.
So I ask you, try it yourself. Stop eating carbohydrates for a few months and you'll think and feel much better. You'll see immediate results and the greater benefits will start within a week, depending on how bad you've let your addiction get.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ketosis is a natural state when high sugar foods are not constantly available or food availability is intermittent. whether or not its ideal long term is unkown
>mfw they don't even try, they just post cope
Sad, sad. Common sense will tell you that if a certain metabolic state is so clearly optimal, at least a few groups of people would have figured it out. Plenty of human societies have developed extremely complicated beliefs and knowledge about food. Funny how people living tens of thousands of years ago could figure out the specific medicinal uses of various herbs but no one realized that >grug eat only meat
turned you into a superhuman.
It's fine, it was a rhetorical question anyway. No human society has ever rejected carbs and certainly no human society has even been "keto". Even humans living in absurdly extreme climates like the Eskimo would go out of their way to gather carb sources like berries and tubers.
You're following a meme modern diet based on an incredibly poor and narrow understanding of human biology and nutrition. You are on the same tier as teenage girls getting diet advice from magazines.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's a ridiculous argument mostly because your qualifier of it being consumed by a "society".
Humans are individuals, not a society. When your liver fails, your bro's isn't going to spontaneously start filtering your blood.
I reject the cultivation of sugar crops, the agricultural revolution and the "societies" of sugar addiction they cultivated.
exactly man, like whoa jeez can't have a few berries from naturally sources millions of years old it's got sugar in it.
God damn i fricking hate vegan/keto shills.
You're allowed to eat whatever you want. Sugar is like any other drug, but it's ridiculous to claim that its consumption is vital or optimal for health.
>bro i'm going to make an insane claim that sugar is inherently bad >but your very moderate stance that naturally found sugars aren't a hinderance in moderation and daresay show benefits is ridiculous
You know this is why we make fun of you and bait you for multiple hours right?
While you sit here screeching for literally 2 hours shilling your anti-sugar nonsense. I keep laughing.
Any diet that would take you out of the prime metabolic state is potentially dangerous. I don't care that the red berries taste good and make you like sugar more, they're poison.
I don't know what they think people ate prior modern civilization/agriculture. I'm beginning to think that it really is all autistic keto shills who think that pre-modern humans were like a Flinstones cartoon, just eating mammoth steaks all day.
Like, we know very well what humans ate for the vast majority of our existence as hunter-gatherers. Meat, fruit, honey. If times were rough, dig up some roots. That's about it. Deciding that the two sugars (fruit and honey) that are incredibly highly valued by every tribal society we have knowledge of - some of the oldest cave art ever found depicts humans gathering honey - is so far beyond moronic that I have trouble taking it seriously anymore.
You've admitted it yourself. Fruit, honey, starches, all "lucky" survival food when meat isn't available. The sweet stuff just wasn't as available back then.
But sure, some cave art of supposed honey collection means we're now somehow supposed to include the "nutrition" of a snickers bar in our diets else we risk running out of fuel!
>outing yourself as actually being this ignorant
You really think that meat was always available? You think hunting an animal is easier than climbing a tree to get a bees nest or literally just plucking some fruit from a branch? You think hunts had a 100% success rate?
Use your brain, son. These people weren't spending an hour looking for fruit before going back to spending all day shitposting on IST. They literally wandered around all day looking for food and when humans haven't become massively overpopulated and destroyed the planet, fruit and honey aren't that rare.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What fuel source sustains longer? Meat.
The sweet stuff was a delicacy, not a common treat. The honey bees of the modern world weren't invented, yet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The honey bees of the modern world weren't invented, yet.
Fricking morons I swear to god. Why do people this stupid exist?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide >Some experts believe that honeyguide co-evolution with humans goes back to the stone-tool making human ancestor homosexual erectus, about 1.9 million years ago.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee#Origin,_systematics,_and_distribution >The first Apis bees appear in the fossil record at the Eocene-Oligocene boundary (34 million years ago)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Keep reading that Wikipedia article and then reread what I put. You debunked yourself. Sad!
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't know what you think >honey bees of the modern world
means but as per the links I posted, honey bees have been around for tens of millions of years and humans have had symbiotic relationships with birds that lead them to honey for at least 2 million years so whatever point you think you have is irrelevant. Humans were so good at finding and eating honey 2 million years ago (is that far enough back to not qualify as "the modern world"?) that birds learned to help them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Look, I really don't care when humans first snacked on honey. It's that honey isn't required by anyone and can cause you to exit your primary metabolic state and the presence of honey bees 2 million years ago or even 14 million years ago doesn't necessarily indicate widespread consumption of it, nor does it indicate that the human body is developed or adapted to consume it perpetually without drawbacks.
You're getting really off-topic
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're welcome to jump in too
No no no, my sneaky little friend. You're not dodging this one.
[...] >At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
If ketosis is the ideal metabolic state then surely one group of people has figured it out during the past 300,000 years? There's at least one that didn't eat any carbs, right?
>If ketosis is the ideal metabolic state then surely one group of people has figured it out during the past 300,000 years? There's at least one that didn't eat any carbs, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
ketosis is a natural state when high sugar foods are not constantly available or food availability is intermittent. whether or not its ideal long term is unkown
The obviously fricky days when I gained 2lbs are due to wearing heavy shorts instead of my nylon wind pants. I mix my milk with powdered milk as well. Get on my level.
Are there any dangers associated with drinking too much milk? I drink like 1l a day which isn't much, but I mix it with protein powder and bananas, makes my stomach upset and I fart a lot. Is it gonna give me cancer eventually or not?
i fricking love drinking milk but it unironically gives me man breasts, even if not too fat, like, my breasts visibly grow the next day if i drink 2L the day before. Its non fat milk btw. dont tell the trannies.
my aunt uses to buy a non lactose milk that tastes straight like sugar or something sweet, but i buy a supposed no extra sugar, no fat milk and what bothers me is that only my breasts grow. some people have told me its the hormones on the milk. if i drank 2L per day for 3 months i would legit have Sara Jay's breasts.
Lactose + added sugar because it's in everything now.
Don't complain about it if you're not drinking raw milk.
You're a product of the modern world.
Drink your goyslop.
Where tf do I get raw milk (serious question, answer or I'll hit you)
realmilk.com
Was 65% sure it would be a porn site, but it's actually milk. Good shit.
getrawmilk.com is also great
Look up dairy farms near you. Depending on where you live, it might not be legal to carry it in the supermarket, so you have to buy it straight from the farm.
Whole Foods carry’s it in some locations. Or did before Amazon bought em.
Amazon bought whole foods? Frick.
hate to tell you this, but amazon has shares in just about every company on the planet now and if they don't outright own it, there is nothing stopping the owners themselves from investing in other companies that are public also.
there is a reason why every private corporation that opens up goes to shit within 5 years.
I hope that company gets broken up. Bloody ridiculous.
what can you do?
amazon owns more money than half the countries on the planet and unlike fake fed money it actually has the product/infrastructure of one trillion dollars.
Nothing outside of total liquidation of the modern economic debt is going to fight it.
Notice how communist blame capitalism, but still use the same debt figures. It's all a rigged game.
None of it matters as long as we don't revert back to zero.
In fact if USA faulted on all debt tomorrow, no one could say jack shit. Too much of the world is dependent on US food exports or foreign aid.
They have to listen to USA.
Which kind of proves why israelites control USA because why else would we not just default on our debts.
It depends on your local laws. Some states/countries ban raw milk, some you have to go to the farm to buy it or buy it as "pet food", and you can get it delivered in some places.
Check out
https://getrawmilk.com/raw-milk-laws
for state by state raw milk laws
cow or goat
>sugar bad
And that's why you're low test as frick kid.
Sugar is extremely efficient to absorb, which means the body doesn't work as hard to produce energy, which means you have more energy available to you in which to simply exist. Which lowers stress hormones and promotes the hormones needed for you to be a fricking man.
have a nice day vegan/keto shill
Sugar lowers cholesterol, the building block of testosterone.
Proof?
That's why God put cholesterol in milk. The sugar from milk has its estrogenic effects neutralised.
>bro if i just lie on the internet everyone should believe me
You're correct.
It's called a farm share.
You buy a share of the farm (not literally to own, but a share of the product for that year).
At which point you have pickup days specific times of the week to which you pick up your product.
This can be done for butter, milk, meat, even animal products such as furs that you won't don't want industrially processed.
I've been doing it for decades now, I raise for wool and meat and trade for products within the community.
Best thing you can do for your life is find a farmers market and make those connections.
Raw milk is literally a godsend. It has the perfect macros to make a human be everything it needs to be.
I'm not lying, but you don't have to believe me or understand the science behind it. I'm just glad you're eating whole foods, for the most part.
>bro just believe me as I continue to lie
lmao
Okay, I'll sum it up for you:
HDL in moderately high amounts = good
LDL in moderate amounts = good
VLDL = bad
Triglycerides = bad
Low HDL = bad
High LDL = Okay
High VLDL = dangerous
High Triglycerides = deadly
Sugar makes HDL go down, VLDL go up, and triglycerides go up.
As testosterone is manufactured, HDL trends upwards, and LDL (which when damaged by sugar becomes VLDL) trends downwards.
Cholesterol is needed to make hormones like testosterone.
>bro look at this broscience with no backing haha that will show you
You do realize sugar is just glucose and all energy supplied in the body is converted to glucose right?
god damn imagine shilling against the only energy source your body can use.
Oh, you're moronic...
Not him, but not all glucose is the same. One merely needs to look at people who consume large amounts of sugar, and compare those who don't. Your brain SHOULD, if it functions correctly, deduce the truth.
Well, not only is sugar not even just glucose(it's half fructose, too. Enjoy the fatty liver disease), but the body has multiple fuel sources and can produce its own glucose.
There's never a reason to consume sugar.
You all need to hit the library baka
>but the body has multiple fuel sources and can produce its own glucose
And you have to deal with the health negatives of abusing those systems regularly.
Law of diminishing returns.
>bro if i completely replace one meme diet with another i don't have any of the health negatives of a new meme diet
Jesus christ kid.
Source?
The law of diminishing returns.
That's literally the source.
No system can produce infinitely without
1. an eventual exponential increase of inserted (product).
2. the benefits of said product lowering in a time arc to match that of all other products.
Did you seriously think that the human body evolved to eat carbs and that you ignoring that system entirely would have no health repercussions newbie?
Your body gave you multiple avenues to create energy so that you could use all those avenues, therefore never abusing and overusing one.
If you want to min-max life and health you have to min-max those avenues.
I like how you homosexuals always say the most blatant bullshit yet the only two primary meat eating civilizations on the planet still eat sugar.
The african tribe that survives entirely on animal products gets sugar from milk.
the russian tribe that survives on fish literally supplements sugar from foraged berries, algae, roots, and literal tree bark.
Those are the two most extreme sources of anti-sugar on the planet and both for thousands of years have still consumed sugar.
Sugar consumption only increases as you move away from those two groups.
Both of those groups have a slew of health problems and health benefits because they are an extreme outlier.
Which is proven by the law of diminishing returns.
They have maximized certain health aspects, but now have reached a pinnacle where they can go no further.
I never said the human body should take in any carbs at all, I stated that glucose shouldn't be consumed, which is a pretty big hint that I'm against saccharide consumption.
Sugar as an ingredient was extremely uncommon until closer to modern times, with the cultivation of the sugar beet.
Your argument is schizophrenic.
nta that anon but your spacing and name calling as a defense mechanism tells me all I need to know
>I stated that glucose shouldn't be consumed,
and that's wrong and you have no citations to argue against it.
eskimos have eaten sugar for thousands of years.
do you think that roots, berries, shrubs, and various other plants don't magically grow in the north during certain seasons?
c'mon kid eskimos literal eat more sugar than the fricking cow farming africans.
It's not wrong and I don't need citations in an internet argument. You're free to go about your life consuming sugar, it makes no difference to me. I've already cut that shit out of my life and am no longer addicted to its brain-fogging allurance.
So you're saying that the nasty survival food the Inuit rarely consumed or had much, if any, access to is somehow supposed to have been a primary fuel source for them when a sugar high doesn't even last a day? Now that's some real big thinking!
Where did you unearth this vast revelation? Let me guess: The Seventh Day Adventist Church?
>it's not wrong
>but i don't have any citations
What's that? I too can pull things out of the ethereal.
Wait i'm getting a message now.
They say "You're a fricking homosexual and should have a nice day."
crazy I was just thinking you were a fricking homosexual and should have a nice day.
Provide citation or i'll keep laughing.
Suddenly so violent! I thought you liked living things?
You're responding to the wrong person.
You gotta remember the brain uses about 60 of your daily glucose so keto homosexuals are literal moron IQ.
Dementia can be treated with a ketogenic diet. Ketones are a better fuel for your brain than glucose, which demented brains can't process thanks to insulin resistance.
You'll forget about this conversation, however.
>Dementia can be treated with a ketogenic diet.
>results were not significant in trial
kek
>You'll forget about this conversation, however.
Fricking kek. Based reply, too.
Also, meant to post
>So what you're saying is you have no citations.
Also your schizo argument makes no sense at all, because Eskimos existed without sugar for many generations until the white man taught them diabetes and heart attacks by introducing them to processed sugary garbage.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-inuit-paradox
good read on the inuit's diet
>not all glucose is the same
Bro there are literally only two forms of glucose.
L-D Glucose.
All energy produce by the body is made into one of those isomers. You know that's true.
You can shill whatever mental gymnastics you want, but at the end of the day pure sugar is not some evil force newbie.
So what you're saying is you have no citations.
>LDL in moderate amounts = good
Wrong
Why is LDL bad, anon? What did cholesterol ever do to you?
>Why is LDL bad, anon?
It’s an independent risk factor for CVD
You're thinking of VLDL, which is what happens when LDL gets macerated by carbohydrate consumption (sugar eating).
>You're thinking of VLDL
No I’m not
Oh, you're wrong, then.
Lol, idiot
You are just regurgitating decade old refuted low carb apologetics
We know CVD is not caused by LDL but VLDL, though. What you're declaring is that you haven't gotten up-to-date with decades-old science, and why would you? It's okay to be wrong. No one bats 100
He's just a carb/sugar addict.
>We know CVD is not caused by LDL but VLDL, though. What you're declaring is that you haven't gotten up-to-date with decades-old science, and why would you?
Wrong. It’s you who is parroting old science. The length of the exposure and the higher the LDL, the bigger the risk factor. Period.
You do realize that the standard tests they use don't differentiate LDL and VLDL, right?
Yikes...
>length of the exposure and the higher the LDL, the bigger the risk factor
no its not. people genetically high cholesterol have lower mortality in old age due to reduced cancer and infectious disease rates and normal rates of cvd
oh now the lie has acronyms in it, I appreciate the effort, but you have no idea what you are talking about dude
>It has the perfect macros to make a human be everything it needs to be.
Way too much fat to be a main calorie source. The optimal human diet contains <10% of caloires from fat.
insulin is an anabolic hormone
Lmfao no it doesn't. Sugar raises total cholesterol and causes arterial damage if eaten in excess
Read the thread, moron
Just started browsing IST but it’s quickly becoming my favorite board
??? Honey is literally pure sugar and is one of the few substances shown to consistently raise test
A fringe benefit of a specific kind of sugary slop, but any positives are not outweighed by the ingestion of all of that sugar. #NotAllSugar
IST is too moronic to understand this. Literally incapable of even the bare minimum of critical thought required to recognize that gmo high fructose corn syrup being bad doesn't mean that literally all sugars are bad.
All sugars are bad, however.
No, I'm not being hyperbolic.
We don't need survival food anymore, this is the modern age.
>We don't need survival food anymore, this is the modern age.
The only foods that aren't survival foods are meat, honey, and fruit. A brief look at literally any hunter-gatherer tribe anyone on the planet will confirm.
Who could forget the great apiaries of early pre-written manking?
Or the out-of-season fruit storage techniques lost to time?
see
>some of the oldest cave art ever found depicts humans gathering honey
Humans have been doing this for so long that we have symbiotic relationships with birds:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide
>Honeyguides are noted and named for one or two species that will deliberately lead humans directly to bee colonies, so that they can feast on the grubs and beeswax that are left behind
>out-of-season fruit storage techniques
Anatomically modern humans spent hundreds of thousands of years living in places where fruit was always in season before moving to more extreme climates. Your logic is on the level of looking at what Eskimos eat and basing your diet around it. People adapt extreme diets for extreme climates but if they have access to it, no human society in existence has ever not placed extremely high value on natural sugars.
The progression to climates that don't support fruit should've been the hint that they didn't need the fruit.
Magical Inuit lose their humanity for the sake of the argument, they're somehow now alien.
You sure do have to jump through many hoops. I just hope they're not FROOT hoops
>The progression to climates that don't support fruit should've been the hint that they didn't need the fruit.
No one said you NEED fruit to survive. You could eat nothing but fast food and live well into your 40s at the least. You can feed a dog a vegan diet and it will live more than long enough to reproduce.
It's pretty sad that you've been reduced to
>w-well maybe fruit isn't bad for you and humans have always eaten it but you don't have to eat it to survive!
weak bro, really weak. The best part is knowing that you're destroying your body with a meme diet that literally no human society has ever followed in all of recorded history. Good luck!
Your side's original argument was that sugar was necessary for life, even going so far as to claiming that the brain exclusively uses glucose and that sugar is entirely made of glucose.
I told the truth, and helpfully pointed out that humanity hasn't always been within arms reach of fruit and honey.
I really don't understand how multiple people can be so blind to the facts of it all, but that's life in this brainfog hellhole.
the brain prefers ketones
>Your side
Oh ok, you're so far gone that you're conflating my points with those of complete strangers to pretend that you have some sort of gotcha here. More pathetic every post.
>humanity hasn't always been within arms reach of fruit and honey.
It literally has, though
Humans didn't migrate to more extreme climates until well into our evolutionary history. But that's not important, what's important is that
>sugar was necessary for life
carbs are indeed necessary for life and this is evidenced by the fact that literally no human society that has ever existed has refused carbs, which were almost entirely in the form of sugars prior to the agricultural revolution.
But please, show us even ONE single human society that follows your meme diet. At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
>how dare you group me with the side I entered on in an argument? You must now find a society that has no sugar addicts... haha, I win!
moron
>carbs are indeed necessary for life and this is evidenced by the fact that literally no human society that has ever existed has refused carbs
Okay, let's put it another way: the cultivation and consumption of sugar in all of its forms is neither essential or beneficial for any developed society that currently exists.
I don't need you to "gotcha" with breast milk containing a small amount of carbohydrates (although babies are naturally in ketosis and enter ketosis far, far quicker than adults).
The primary metabolic state humans should exist in is ketosis and the theoretical minimum amount of carbs necessary to be in perpetual ketosis throughout your life (post-infancy, of course) is 0.
No no no, my sneaky little friend. You're not dodging this one.
>At any point in human history or in the modern world, is there any society that doesn't eat sugar?
If ketosis is the ideal metabolic state then surely one group of people has figured it out during the past 300,000 years? There's at least one that didn't eat any carbs, right?
Any society that has meat, but lacks sugar, isn't starving for sweets.
Starvation food consumption or an occasional sweet found in the otherwise barren wilderness doesn't make humanity evolve into sugar-centered beings.
Your argument is just ridiculous, since what I'm describing is medical fact and you're... just asking for historical precedence as if sugar consumption is somehow justified?
You could argue that all societies require alcohol with such logic.
We even have modern carnivores who have eaten nothing but meat for decades. Just because sugar-eating is a worldwide trend, it doesn't mean mankind has suddenly required it or needed it.
So I ask you, try it yourself. Stop eating carbohydrates for a few months and you'll think and feel much better. You'll see immediate results and the greater benefits will start within a week, depending on how bad you've let your addiction get.
>mfw they don't even try, they just post cope
Sad, sad. Common sense will tell you that if a certain metabolic state is so clearly optimal, at least a few groups of people would have figured it out. Plenty of human societies have developed extremely complicated beliefs and knowledge about food. Funny how people living tens of thousands of years ago could figure out the specific medicinal uses of various herbs but no one realized that
>grug eat only meat
turned you into a superhuman.
It's fine, it was a rhetorical question anyway. No human society has ever rejected carbs and certainly no human society has even been "keto". Even humans living in absurdly extreme climates like the Eskimo would go out of their way to gather carb sources like berries and tubers.
You're following a meme modern diet based on an incredibly poor and narrow understanding of human biology and nutrition. You are on the same tier as teenage girls getting diet advice from magazines.
It's a ridiculous argument mostly because your qualifier of it being consumed by a "society".
Humans are individuals, not a society. When your liver fails, your bro's isn't going to spontaneously start filtering your blood.
I reject the cultivation of sugar crops, the agricultural revolution and the "societies" of sugar addiction they cultivated.
exactly man, like whoa jeez can't have a few berries from naturally sources millions of years old it's got sugar in it.
God damn i fricking hate vegan/keto shills.
You're allowed to eat whatever you want. Sugar is like any other drug, but it's ridiculous to claim that its consumption is vital or optimal for health.
You make your own glucose when you're healthy.
>bro i'm going to make an insane claim that sugar is inherently bad
>but your very moderate stance that naturally found sugars aren't a hinderance in moderation and daresay show benefits is ridiculous
You know this is why we make fun of you and bait you for multiple hours right?
While you sit here screeching for literally 2 hours shilling your anti-sugar nonsense. I keep laughing.
Any diet that would take you out of the prime metabolic state is potentially dangerous. I don't care that the red berries taste good and make you like sugar more, they're poison.
I don't know what they think people ate prior modern civilization/agriculture. I'm beginning to think that it really is all autistic keto shills who think that pre-modern humans were like a Flinstones cartoon, just eating mammoth steaks all day.
Like, we know very well what humans ate for the vast majority of our existence as hunter-gatherers. Meat, fruit, honey. If times were rough, dig up some roots. That's about it. Deciding that the two sugars (fruit and honey) that are incredibly highly valued by every tribal society we have knowledge of - some of the oldest cave art ever found depicts humans gathering honey - is so far beyond moronic that I have trouble taking it seriously anymore.
You've admitted it yourself. Fruit, honey, starches, all "lucky" survival food when meat isn't available. The sweet stuff just wasn't as available back then.
But sure, some cave art of supposed honey collection means we're now somehow supposed to include the "nutrition" of a snickers bar in our diets else we risk running out of fuel!
>outing yourself as actually being this ignorant
You really think that meat was always available? You think hunting an animal is easier than climbing a tree to get a bees nest or literally just plucking some fruit from a branch? You think hunts had a 100% success rate?
Use your brain, son. These people weren't spending an hour looking for fruit before going back to spending all day shitposting on IST. They literally wandered around all day looking for food and when humans haven't become massively overpopulated and destroyed the planet, fruit and honey aren't that rare.
What fuel source sustains longer? Meat.
The sweet stuff was a delicacy, not a common treat. The honey bees of the modern world weren't invented, yet.
>The honey bees of the modern world weren't invented, yet.
Fricking morons I swear to god. Why do people this stupid exist?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide
>Some experts believe that honeyguide co-evolution with humans goes back to the stone-tool making human ancestor homosexual erectus, about 1.9 million years ago.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee#Origin,_systematics,_and_distribution
>The first Apis bees appear in the fossil record at the Eocene-Oligocene boundary (34 million years ago)
Keep reading that Wikipedia article and then reread what I put. You debunked yourself. Sad!
I don't know what you think
>honey bees of the modern world
means but as per the links I posted, honey bees have been around for tens of millions of years and humans have had symbiotic relationships with birds that lead them to honey for at least 2 million years so whatever point you think you have is irrelevant. Humans were so good at finding and eating honey 2 million years ago (is that far enough back to not qualify as "the modern world"?) that birds learned to help them.
Look, I really don't care when humans first snacked on honey. It's that honey isn't required by anyone and can cause you to exit your primary metabolic state and the presence of honey bees 2 million years ago or even 14 million years ago doesn't necessarily indicate widespread consumption of it, nor does it indicate that the human body is developed or adapted to consume it perpetually without drawbacks.
You're getting really off-topic
You're welcome to jump in too
>If ketosis is the ideal metabolic state then surely one group of people has figured it out during the past 300,000 years? There's at least one that didn't eat any carbs, right?
ketosis is a natural state when high sugar foods are not constantly available or food availability is intermittent. whether or not its ideal long term is unkown
its lactose. get whole milk with no added sugar and it shouldnt be a problem. or eat some fermented milk products like cheese or yogurt
Because sugar is good for you.
milk made me fit, simple as
just dont be american, they arent adding sugar anywhere else
>Why do you guys drink this shit?
picrel
The obviously fricky days when I gained 2lbs are due to wearing heavy shorts instead of my nylon wind pants. I mix my milk with powdered milk as well. Get on my level.
Unless you're roided to the gills your surplus is way too high and you're going to be gaining a LOT of unnecessary fat at this rate.
>you're going to be gaining a LOT of unnecessary fat at this rate.
Nah, I'm good. And natural.
Nice angle. I'm imagining
Are there any dangers associated with drinking too much milk? I drink like 1l a day which isn't much, but I mix it with protein powder and bananas, makes my stomach upset and I fart a lot. Is it gonna give me cancer eventually or not?
That's why I drink my protein shakes with my own homemade kefir, the kefir eats up the sugars
i fricking love drinking milk but it unironically gives me man breasts, even if not too fat, like, my breasts visibly grow the next day if i drink 2L the day before. Its non fat milk btw. dont tell the trannies.
When they take out the fat, guess what they put in it to make it taste good?
my aunt uses to buy a non lactose milk that tastes straight like sugar or something sweet, but i buy a supposed no extra sugar, no fat milk and what bothers me is that only my breasts grow. some people have told me its the hormones on the milk. if i drank 2L per day for 3 months i would legit have Sara Jay's breasts.
Its a bit expensive, but you can get reduced sugar milk if you're worried about it.
Cheers!