Because it is a moronic diet pushed by fat idiots and skinny b***hes. You need a healthy balance of protein, carbs and fats. If you're not getting the right amount you will either be low energy, low T or both. You should be careful not to have too much fat or too much carbs but low fat and low carb diets are stupid and unsustainable. You will frick up your body in the long term.
>skinny b***he
I legit cant remember seeing any skinny b***hes on keto, pic reminder what a skinny woman looks like. you get 10 mins to find one like that with any keto hashtags from insta that you can think of go go go
>le "balance" means middle of the road on everything
Classic woman-brained thinking based on emotional valence of words rather than factual merit. Bet you're terrified of going 5 hours without a meal, either.
Because it is a moronic diet pushed by fat idiots and skinny b***hes. You need a healthy balance of protein, carbs and fats. If you're not getting the right amount you will either be low energy, low T or both. You should be careful not to have too much fat or too much carbs but low fat and low carb diets are stupid and unsustainable. You will frick up your body in the long term.
>someone comes up with a new diet of eating your own shit >well eating ONLY shit is bad but you should eat just a little shit for the balance
>le "balance" means middle of the road on everything
Classic woman-brained thinking based on emotional valence of words rather than factual merit. Bet you're terrified of going 5 hours without a meal, either.
>skinny b***he
I legit cant remember seeing any skinny b***hes on keto, pic reminder what a skinny woman looks like. you get 10 mins to find one like that with any keto hashtags from insta that you can think of go go go
Low fat causes low T
Low carb doesn't cause anything
Right, the carnivore dopes were all swayed by facts & logic, and not the idea that they're viking cavemen RETVRNING TO NATVRE and screeching about "goyslop"
They're woman-brained too. The bottom line is, you absolutely need fat, you need protein, and you don't really need carbs if you get enough of the other two but they serve their function as well. You eat to fit your circumstances and your goals - that's all that matters.
>i'm hungry but i will not eat, nay my brain is superior to millions of years of evolution because...idk saw a yt video from a clear fraud
jesus christ,amigos why is there so much disinformation?
Typically people would eat about one meal a day. As we started an agrarian lifestyle in europe a lot of the workers would eat something in the morning and then something at noon. Then three meals a day became fashionable at some point in the 18th century. A lot of artisans and artists, as well as royalty, ate one meal a day. Beethoven for instance skipped breakfast every morning. If you don't eat, your body just uses other stuff, usually fat. And you don't feel hungry.
It's the Ring Theory of Diet. Keto is the mirror of Vegan. And as we all know, vegans are fricking insufferable. Well--speaking as a dedicated ketogay--so are we.
Keto and vegan aren’t related at all.
Ketogenic diet came about as a treatment for epilepsy. It sort of brute forces your body into a fasting mode and that for whatever reason can prevent seizures in epileptics.
Veganism is just a religious cult. Plenty of religions have this concept of abstaining from animal products as a form of asceticism, either for a period, or long term if you’re a monk or something. Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing. That’s why vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
you’ll never hear a keto gay say they do it cause it’s morally righteous.
Carnivores are inverse vegans. Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan. They’re the Sabatean-Frankists to the vegan movement.
>Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan.
The fact that most carnivore dieters used to be vegans is a massive red flag.
Mentally ill weirdos jumping from one extremist exclusionary diet to another.
It’s because this is the direction that western Protestantism went to try and distance itself from Roman rule.
It became about intense extreme belief as opposed to “good works”. Under most forms of protestantism you can only be saved by having a radical mindset. The post Christian world order has inherited this tendency towards extremism.
>Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing.
Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian named Donald Watson in 1944 as British Vegan Society.
>vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
No lies there.
>Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian
Big if true. It makes sense why they resemble a cult and have such zealots among their ranks. >Being human is original sin because you have to kill to live. >You decrease sin by eating only vegetation, for some reason. >Everyone who does not do this is a grave sinner and must be given the gospel which you spread >If they do not listen then they are evil which justifies your misanthropic hatred of humans >You lose all compassion for humanity as people are divided into "holy vegans" and "evil sinners" >you are encouraged to abandon your friends and family for the cause, because they're sinners and you can only come back to them to spread the gospel or criticize their sins >Church of Veganism programming is broadcast in films on netflix and such, this becomes the sacred texts >anyone who disagrees is a heretic. Those who leave the church of veganism are shunned by their community >Vegan priests debate among themselves about what is and isn't vegan ie is honey vegan? >Plant worship is abound, the holy sacraments cure every disease ever and any and all ailments and if you do it enough turns you into a god or at least a demigod >the purpose of the cult is to spread veganism as far and wide as possible so that everyone may be saved >because without veganism you die, your family dies, the PLANET dies >R-Amen
Lack of knowledge or education so they just sit down and listen to what """dieticians""" and government sanctioned """health""" studies say. People think that living in our modern society of processed/high carb diets is somehow natural. They're sugar addicts because their hormonal balance is completely out of whack thanks to their fricked up insulin sensitivity and so they react as any addict would when presented with a more natural diet. Keto and/or fasting is necessary for carb addicts to help their body to become metabolically flexible like it should be and capable of efficiently operating on both high fat and high carb diets when the situation calls for it.
Luckily, things are changing as fasting and the science behind ketosis enters the public consciousness. If you are reading this, chances are you are a carb addict and your diet is not healthy. Go on a dopamine fast, or a prolonged water fast, or keto for a month, and see just how fricked up your withdrawal response is. You're probably too scared to try it though because you think the human body is so weak that it can't survive without food for a month, or you're an addict in denial.
I'm never announcing my diet (except here I guess). But people will inevitably ask >go to greek restaurant with colleagues for some stupid after-work event >order gyros without any sides (rice/potatoes) >every single one of them goes apeshit and asks me why
This, I never fricking bring up my diet, but people lose their shit when they realize I'm not "eatin' my greens". They're brainwashed idiots who've never actually experimented.
I always tell them "I don't argue about diet. The food is there, you can try it yourself and await the results". There's literally no reason to have study battles about this crap. Just eat and see how you feel.
why can't you just lie and say you don't like rice/potatoes? make up some excuse like a potato farmer shoved a rice stalk up your pp when you were a kid.
>temporarily staying with family while working with real estate agents to find & buy 1st house >family is obese. mother loves to cook. >be me, eating carnivore diet >eating smoked brisket for breakfast lunch snacks and dinner >get attacked during every meal within eyesight of mother >at least one argument/fight a day over it >today's argument/attack: >eating smoked meats every day will cause cancer! >google it, do some research >there isn't an undisputed link >cooking meat above 300 has the "stronger" "link" >smoking at 225 >smoke from fat drippings can apparently contain carcinogens >however this causing cancer is disputed too >animal studies involved exposing animals to thousands of times what a human would eat >in the end it's all unconfirmed and disputed >parents don't care >"you shouldn't eat so much smoked meat, you should grill more" >meanwhile >practically everything causes cancer, including not exercising and being fat >be me, be a IST poster, exercise daily >cardio, resistance training, the works >so tired of arguing with peoples' "common sense"
I can't wait to buy my first home so I can live my life undisturbed
14 months is too short a time to come to any conclusion on a diet. You'd probably get the same results with almost any diet .
2 years ago
pb_runner
That's your opinion. Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet? And if we're throwing around opinions, my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations. For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet?
I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that. >my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations.
That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof? >For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
2 years ago
pb_runner
>I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that.
I don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide >That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof?
The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people. Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof" >What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
Yes. Because those European doctors thought he'd keel over and die within three weeks. That's a drastic hypothesis. And after three weeks, Vilhjalmur didn't even appear slightly sickly. If one is to make a claim that another is going to keel over and die within three weeks, then that claim looks pretty debunked when rather than keeling over and dying, the patient is healthy as ever with no ill symptoms at all.
See it'd be one thing if the European doctors claimed that in three weeks, Vilhjalmur's V02 max would decline by one percent. That'd be such a tiny change that it'd be nearly impossible to prove, since it'd be nearly impossible to separate daily and weekly variations due to other natural causes, from the diet itself. That's an example of a not-drastic, not-severe claim. But the doctors, and carnivore antagonists, say carnivore will killlllll youuuuu reeeee.... So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide
The only way for any diet to kill is if you ate something poisonous.
Of course, if you ate like shit and after a few decades, you get heart disease or high blood pressure, then is that diet suicidal? But then even the worst diet you could think of, would only kill you after decades. So why are you so sure carnivore won't ?
And really, that is just 1 very small part of diet, whether or not it would kill you, whether quickly or slowly. >The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people.
That wasn't my claim but ok. So it doesn't kill people. But what's its effect on let's say, intelligence? Or it's effect on athletic ability? Or it's effect on moods? Or it's effect on longevity? Or hairloss? Or heart disease? Like I said, just because a diet doesn't kill you, doesn't mean it's a good diet. >Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof"
Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here. >So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
So it makes those doctors look ridiculous. So what? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that those doctors were made to look ridiculous? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that it won't give you scurvy after a few weeks?
And are you this person
>temporarily staying with family while working with real estate agents to find & buy 1st house >family is obese. mother loves to cook. >be me, eating carnivore diet >eating smoked brisket for breakfast lunch snacks and dinner >get attacked during every meal within eyesight of mother >at least one argument/fight a day over it >today's argument/attack: >eating smoked meats every day will cause cancer! >google it, do some research >there isn't an undisputed link >cooking meat above 300 has the "stronger" "link" >smoking at 225 >smoke from fat drippings can apparently contain carcinogens >however this causing cancer is disputed too >animal studies involved exposing animals to thousands of times what a human would eat >in the end it's all unconfirmed and disputed >parents don't care >"you shouldn't eat so much smoked meat, you should grill more" >meanwhile >practically everything causes cancer, including not exercising and being fat >be me, be a IST poster, exercise daily >cardio, resistance training, the works >so tired of arguing with peoples' "common sense"
I can't wait to buy my first home so I can live my life undisturbed
Try 2 million years of our ancestry, high stomach acidity in humans, our natural entry into the state of ketosis after days without food which wouldn't make any sense if all we had to do was pick fruits and shit off the floor, and our front and canine teeth.
Don't bother, all they have is random talking points and old fad diet books they mistake as accurate documentaries and research. Like the moron you answered to? Look at those talking points, he is so delusional he believes our teeth are those of a carnivore.
I don't actually require any study or research.
But I wanted to ask that person I quoted because he needed proof from studies to believe his mother's advice. So I was wondering if the carnivore diet he's eating, whether it has any studies done on it. And if there isn't, why he is following it.
>all they have
What do you have? Epidemiology? Totally worthless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The entire nutrition science stack against your silly little caveman larp. You can dismiss epidemiology if you want to if it makes you feel any better.
It's a sad state of affairs when people disregard biology and anthropology in favor of demanding to be told what is true or not. People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition. Who do you think sponsors studies that you desperate crave for validation? Why are there seed oils and sugars in so many refined breads and carbs that you all think are so essential to the human diet, when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables? Get fricking real and grow a brain.
Oh yes, epidemiology is worthless because you insist it's inaccurate, but anthropology is totally accurate. Too bad even it doesn't support your fantasies.
Your brain is malfunctioning, I told you to dismiss it if you want to.
>fatso
Project harder fat frick. I have veins on my abs as we speak and i eat over 300g of protein in total when i'm bulking.
Post body.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I told you to dismiss it if you want to.
Ok, and with that I've dismissed all diet "science".
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you haven't. Imbecile.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I have. There is no diet science.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yup. I knew how this goes with you idiots. You always end up dismissing all of it and then continue caveman larp. It's so desperate and stupid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>*doesn't even try to prove me wrong, because I'm right*
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't prove you wrong because your debate position is that there is no nutrition science and if there is all of it is fake and you will die on that hill no matter what. Your whole larp depends on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope. You're pretending I'll dismiss legitimate science so you don't have to come up with any. It's no coincidence that I call out epidemiology as not being science, and then you have nothing to post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Define "legitimate science" as accurately as your peabrain is capable of doing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You shouldn't need me to tell you what the scientific method is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No no no, in your own words. Go ahead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We both know what the scientific method is, dipshit. Stop wasting time and post some science.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can't define "legitimate science"? Or you won't because the moment you do you know I can post some random paper fitting your criteria?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'll never post anything because you have nothing. I've made it clear what I accept as science, and it's the same thing everyone who knows what science is accepts as science: anything conforming to the scientific method posted above. Post the science now or I accept your defeat..
2 years ago
Anonymous
I said you have to define it in your own words but you won't for the obvious reasons. You're not clever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I accept your defeat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Debates don't work like that. You keep refusing to tell what is "legitimate science" in your own words. Or you are unable to do so due to mental deficiencies. Either way, despite not telling what is "legitimate science", you ignore the whole nutrition science as fake a priori.
I am certain at this point that you know you can't win if you set the parameters you can't weasel out of it as usual. That means you already know that you are bullshitting people with your carnivore fad. Which raises the question why are you doing it anyways if you already know it's wrong?
It's a sad state of affairs when people disregard biology and anthropology in favor of demanding to be told what is true or not. People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition. Who do you think sponsors studies that you desperate crave for validation? Why are there seed oils and sugars in so many refined breads and carbs that you all think are so essential to the human diet, when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables? Get fricking real and grow a brain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition.
When was this low fat craze you speak of? >when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables
Which part of human history are you talking about? There's millions years of it.
Online you'll find a few people who will get into an argument with you, not because of the diet, but because the internet has broken their brains to the point where endless arguments with strangers is the only way they still feel feelings.
IRL, you will hear the following: "Oh, cool. I could never do that but sounds interesting. I gotta run."
Fruits have neurotoxins that trick animals into consuming them so they’ll shit out the seeds(after getting the shits from the fiber and toxins) and help them spread more. It’s kind of like how toxoplasmosis in cat shit tricks mice into getting eaten by cats, thus spreading more toxoplasmosis as the cats shit out the parasite it got from the infected rat.
When you tell people you don’t eat much/any plants their damaged brains trigger a flight or flight response and they go into a seethe. They’re unwitting slaves to their plant overlords.
I look down on anyone who tells me they're on any kind of fad or crash diet. "Diet" is not a temporary thing. It's a lifestyle choice, and people who think they're going to eat differently for a bit then go right back to stuffing their moronic mouths with awful shit are low IQ subhumans and deserve to be ridiculed.
It doesn't. I don't think anybody cares about ketoers except vegans apparently. But vegans are an actual death cult so I'd rather be with the ketos. Why can't people just eat normal?
I have no idea. Going low carb worked great for me. I ate less than 50g for a few months, and then less than 100g for a while after that. I also fasted a lot. Keto works in my opinion. It's just that I love things like toast and bread too much. Otherwise, I'd still be doing it. However, a lot of the benefits of the keto diet may just be eating cleaner overall. A lot of carby foods have shit in them you wouldn't believe.
No, never unless its another diet cuktist wanting to use it as a pretext to talk about their diet cult.
No one normal cares. I have eaten a salad with canned sqardines for lunch for the last 3 months. Canned sardines are unusual for most people and Ive been asked about it zero times.
I want to try out a keto diet just to experience what ketosis is like for a few weeks, however I'm worried about a few things:
- I've read that the body is more likely to store ingested fat as body fat, rather than converting carbs into fat. Is that just a myth?
- Will the thermogenic effect from carbs be reduced?
- Is my strength while training going to noticeably suffer?
Honest to god, I only did a proper low-carb diet for 4 months in 2017. Lost 11 kilos (in 2 months, then stabilized to my proper body weight) and was very happy to tell everyone about it.
Then did it like one month in 2018, some weeks every other month in 2019 and forgot about it during the Plandemic.
Still I got insane reactions from people telling me I was about to die at any second now.
this lol >drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and eat 3000 calories of processed flour and industrial sneed oils a day >completely normal and healthy lifestyle
>eat meat and vegetables, say "no thanks" when offered pasta or bread >everyone loses their shit, don't you know that is UNHEALTHY ANON OH MY GOD YOU'RE GONNA DIE
Usually black coffee, eggs + bacon for breakfast, sometimes only eggs when I'm lazy or late for work
On weekends I sometimes eat 40% quark, too
For dinner, fatty fish, ground beef, lamb, porkchops, chicken or steak, often combined with more eggs, sometimes combined with broiled broccoli.
If my butcher has it, I get as much game meat (deer, elk, etc.) as possible.
If I feel the need for a nightcap, I usually eat cheese.
>Do you eat a lot of fat?
Yes >Vegetable?
I try to keep below 20-30g of carbs, so not a whole lot, but most days I manage to squeeze in 200-300g of broccoli as I said
How much quark do you usually eat? When I look at the label it says almost 5 g of carbs, so eating the entire pack would already take me to to almost 20 g. I still want to have some room for vegetables too, so I just eat cottage cheese instead.
Keto morons think eating sticks of butter and sardines is going to get them jacked, reality is, they become deathly ill and their organs start failing from just the sodium intake alone, we are omnivores, our bodies are made to be omnivores, if you aren't seeing gains from a NORMAL, balanced diet than you are either not training enough or aren't sleeping enough or both.
if you thought stomach goblins are ridiculous, wait until you find out about carb demons. people are literally possessed.
It's a childish diet
Because it is a moronic diet pushed by fat idiots and skinny b***hes. You need a healthy balance of protein, carbs and fats. If you're not getting the right amount you will either be low energy, low T or both. You should be careful not to have too much fat or too much carbs but low fat and low carb diets are stupid and unsustainable. You will frick up your body in the long term.
>muh balanced d-
Low fat causes low T
Low carb doesn't cause anything
Post body
It causes high cortisol and estrogen.
T. Dyel
>skinny b***he
I legit cant remember seeing any skinny b***hes on keto, pic reminder what a skinny woman looks like. you get 10 mins to find one like that with any keto hashtags from insta that you can think of go go go
>le "balance" means middle of the road on everything
Classic woman-brained thinking based on emotional valence of words rather than factual merit. Bet you're terrified of going 5 hours without a meal, either.
>someone comes up with a new diet of eating your own shit
>well eating ONLY shit is bad but you should eat just a little shit for the balance
Post body
fug you got me there, I'm still DYEL, however you really should post body when you ask someone else to do it, so you haven't completely won
Right, the carnivore dopes were all swayed by facts & logic, and not the idea that they're viking cavemen RETVRNING TO NATVRE and screeching about "goyslop"
They're woman-brained too. The bottom line is, you absolutely need fat, you need protein, and you don't really need carbs if you get enough of the other two but they serve their function as well. You eat to fit your circumstances and your goals - that's all that matters.
>i'm hungry but i will not eat, nay my brain is superior to millions of years of evolution because...idk saw a yt video from a clear fraud
jesus christ,amigos why is there so much disinformation?
Typically people would eat about one meal a day. As we started an agrarian lifestyle in europe a lot of the workers would eat something in the morning and then something at noon. Then three meals a day became fashionable at some point in the 18th century. A lot of artisans and artists, as well as royalty, ate one meal a day. Beethoven for instance skipped breakfast every morning. If you don't eat, your body just uses other stuff, usually fat. And you don't feel hungry.
Who knows
You should really just do whatever you want
It's the Ring Theory of Diet. Keto is the mirror of Vegan. And as we all know, vegans are fricking insufferable. Well--speaking as a dedicated ketogay--so are we.
Keto and vegan aren’t related at all.
Ketogenic diet came about as a treatment for epilepsy. It sort of brute forces your body into a fasting mode and that for whatever reason can prevent seizures in epileptics.
Veganism is just a religious cult. Plenty of religions have this concept of abstaining from animal products as a form of asceticism, either for a period, or long term if you’re a monk or something. Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing. That’s why vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
you’ll never hear a keto gay say they do it cause it’s morally righteous.
Carnivores are inverse vegans. Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan. They’re the Sabatean-Frankists to the vegan movement.
>Even sveirge or whatever his name is came to the carnivore thing after spending years as a vegan.
The fact that most carnivore dieters used to be vegans is a massive red flag.
Mentally ill weirdos jumping from one extremist exclusionary diet to another.
It’s because this is the direction that western Protestantism went to try and distance itself from Roman rule.
It became about intense extreme belief as opposed to “good works”. Under most forms of protestantism you can only be saved by having a radical mindset. The post Christian world order has inherited this tendency towards extremism.
High IQ take
>trying things is bad
Do you have a source on that?
>Vegans take it to the next level though because they come from an American Puritan culture and everything has to become totalitarian and all encompassing.
Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian named Donald Watson in 1944 as British Vegan Society.
>vegans claim their diet is superior for literally everything. It’s “healthier”, it “saves the planet”, it’s more “moral” because muh cuddly animals, etc.
No lies there.
Veganism stems from Seventh Day Adventists in the USA and their prophet Ellen G White.
>Modern ethical veganism was founded by a British Anglican Christian
Big if true. It makes sense why they resemble a cult and have such zealots among their ranks.
>Being human is original sin because you have to kill to live.
>You decrease sin by eating only vegetation, for some reason.
>Everyone who does not do this is a grave sinner and must be given the gospel which you spread
>If they do not listen then they are evil which justifies your misanthropic hatred of humans
>You lose all compassion for humanity as people are divided into "holy vegans" and "evil sinners"
>you are encouraged to abandon your friends and family for the cause, because they're sinners and you can only come back to them to spread the gospel or criticize their sins
>Church of Veganism programming is broadcast in films on netflix and such, this becomes the sacred texts
>anyone who disagrees is a heretic. Those who leave the church of veganism are shunned by their community
>Vegan priests debate among themselves about what is and isn't vegan ie is honey vegan?
>Plant worship is abound, the holy sacraments cure every disease ever and any and all ailments and if you do it enough turns you into a god or at least a demigod
>the purpose of the cult is to spread veganism as far and wide as possible so that everyone may be saved
>because without veganism you die, your family dies, the PLANET dies
>R-Amen
Lack of knowledge or education so they just sit down and listen to what """dieticians""" and government sanctioned """health""" studies say. People think that living in our modern society of processed/high carb diets is somehow natural. They're sugar addicts because their hormonal balance is completely out of whack thanks to their fricked up insulin sensitivity and so they react as any addict would when presented with a more natural diet. Keto and/or fasting is necessary for carb addicts to help their body to become metabolically flexible like it should be and capable of efficiently operating on both high fat and high carb diets when the situation calls for it.
Luckily, things are changing as fasting and the science behind ketosis enters the public consciousness. If you are reading this, chances are you are a carb addict and your diet is not healthy. Go on a dopamine fast, or a prolonged water fast, or keto for a month, and see just how fricked up your withdrawal response is. You're probably too scared to try it though because you think the human body is so weak that it can't survive without food for a month, or you're an addict in denial.
why do you feel the need to announce your moronation
I'm never announcing my diet (except here I guess). But people will inevitably ask
>go to greek restaurant with colleagues for some stupid after-work event
>order gyros without any sides (rice/potatoes)
>every single one of them goes apeshit and asks me why
This, I never fricking bring up my diet, but people lose their shit when they realize I'm not "eatin' my greens". They're brainwashed idiots who've never actually experimented.
I always tell them "I don't argue about diet. The food is there, you can try it yourself and await the results". There's literally no reason to have study battles about this crap. Just eat and see how you feel.
why can't you just lie and say you don't like rice/potatoes? make up some excuse like a potato farmer shoved a rice stalk up your pp when you were a kid.
It's like not getting the jab. A rejection of globohomo.
>temporarily staying with family while working with real estate agents to find & buy 1st house
>family is obese. mother loves to cook.
>be me, eating carnivore diet
>eating smoked brisket for breakfast lunch snacks and dinner
>get attacked during every meal within eyesight of mother
>at least one argument/fight a day over it
>today's argument/attack:
>eating smoked meats every day will cause cancer!
>google it, do some research
>there isn't an undisputed link
>cooking meat above 300 has the "stronger" "link"
>smoking at 225
>smoke from fat drippings can apparently contain carcinogens
>however this causing cancer is disputed too
>animal studies involved exposing animals to thousands of times what a human would eat
>in the end it's all unconfirmed and disputed
>parents don't care
>"you shouldn't eat so much smoked meat, you should grill more"
>meanwhile
>practically everything causes cancer, including not exercising and being fat
>be me, be a IST poster, exercise daily
>cardio, resistance training, the works
>so tired of arguing with peoples' "common sense"
I can't wait to buy my first home so I can live my life undisturbed
Are there any studies/research on humans eating a carnivore diet?
>Are there any studies/research
eating cyanide makes your dick grow bigger.
This is not a study or research.
Are you the person whom I quoted?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32833688/
I don't understand. The summary doesn't actually says anything. Where's the answer to the question in the title?
Yes
http://www.comby.org/documents/documents_in_english/stefansson-diet-adventures.htm
https://www.amazon.com/Fat-Land-Vilhjalmur-Stefansson/dp/B0000CJQEU
https://justmeat.co/
Also not a study or research
https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894
14 months is too short a time to come to any conclusion on a diet. You'd probably get the same results with almost any diet .
That's your opinion. Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet? And if we're throwing around opinions, my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations. For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
>Where's your scientific study and/or research to back your claim that fourteen months is too short a time to make accurate inferences on a prescribed diet?
I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that.
>my opinion is that the more aggressive the claim or diet, the less time/exposure one would need for the controversial topic (like eating carnivore) before manifesting the severe accusations.
That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof?
>For example, in an article I linked, talking about the aftermath of "Fat of the Land" by Vilhjalmur Stefansson, he wrote that some European doctors stuck around in America for an extra few weeks because they were sure Vilhjalmur would die of scurvy after just three weeks of eating only meat. He didn't develop any scurvy symptoms at all, and the European doctors eventually packed up and went home
What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
>I don't based my choice of diet on studies/research. So I don't require any of that.
I don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide
>That would be a ridiculous opinion. Why would a more controversial claim require less proof?
The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people. Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof"
>What is this supposed to prove exactly? That eating carnivore for a few weeks won't lead to scurvy?
Yes. Because those European doctors thought he'd keel over and die within three weeks. That's a drastic hypothesis. And after three weeks, Vilhjalmur didn't even appear slightly sickly. If one is to make a claim that another is going to keel over and die within three weeks, then that claim looks pretty debunked when rather than keeling over and dying, the patient is healthy as ever with no ill symptoms at all.
See it'd be one thing if the European doctors claimed that in three weeks, Vilhjalmur's V02 max would decline by one percent. That'd be such a tiny change that it'd be nearly impossible to prove, since it'd be nearly impossible to separate daily and weekly variations due to other natural causes, from the diet itself. That's an example of a not-drastic, not-severe claim. But the doctors, and carnivore antagonists, say carnivore will killlllll youuuuu reeeee.... So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
>don't base my diet entirely on studies or research either, but I like being able to access bodies of evidence that say the carnivore diet isn't suicide
The only way for any diet to kill is if you ate something poisonous.
Of course, if you ate like shit and after a few decades, you get heart disease or high blood pressure, then is that diet suicidal? But then even the worst diet you could think of, would only kill you after decades. So why are you so sure carnivore won't ?
And really, that is just 1 very small part of diet, whether or not it would kill you, whether quickly or slowly.
>The claim is that eating carnivore will kill you. You don't need a scientific study to show it doesn't kill people.
That wasn't my claim but ok. So it doesn't kill people. But what's its effect on let's say, intelligence? Or it's effect on athletic ability? Or it's effect on moods? Or it's effect on longevity? Or hairloss? Or heart disease? Like I said, just because a diet doesn't kill you, doesn't mean it's a good diet.
>Not having a ton of scientific studies is "less proof". And people living into their older years while still able-bodied and coherent is "less proof"
Sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
>So when plenty of people report their health as not only having stayed the same, but improved, on carnivore, it sure makes drastic claims that it'll kill you, look dumb
So it makes those doctors look ridiculous. So what? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that those doctors were made to look ridiculous? Should anybody based their diet on the fact that it won't give you scurvy after a few weeks?
And are you this person
that guy was fricking fat tho
he doesn't look fat, just ugly.
>fat guy giving advice on how to lose weight
Hmm, where have we seen this before?
Try 2 million years of our ancestry, high stomach acidity in humans, our natural entry into the state of ketosis after days without food which wouldn't make any sense if all we had to do was pick fruits and shit off the floor, and our front and canine teeth.
Show study/research.
Are you the person I quoted?
Don't bother, all they have is random talking points and old fad diet books they mistake as accurate documentaries and research. Like the moron you answered to? Look at those talking points, he is so delusional he believes our teeth are those of a carnivore.
I don't actually require any study or research.
But I wanted to ask that person I quoted because he needed proof from studies to believe his mother's advice. So I was wondering if the carnivore diet he's eating, whether it has any studies done on it. And if there isn't, why he is following it.
>all they have
What do you have? Epidemiology? Totally worthless.
The entire nutrition science stack against your silly little caveman larp. You can dismiss epidemiology if you want to if it makes you feel any better.
Oh yes, epidemiology is worthless because you insist it's inaccurate, but anthropology is totally accurate. Too bad even it doesn't support your fantasies.
>nutrition science
>caveman larp
Okay moron
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4519257/
Yup. It's a caveman larp okay.
Your brain is malfunctioning, I told you to dismiss it if you want to.
Post body.
>I told you to dismiss it if you want to.
Ok, and with that I've dismissed all diet "science".
No you haven't. Imbecile.
Yeah, I have. There is no diet science.
Yup. I knew how this goes with you idiots. You always end up dismissing all of it and then continue caveman larp. It's so desperate and stupid.
>*doesn't even try to prove me wrong, because I'm right*
I can't prove you wrong because your debate position is that there is no nutrition science and if there is all of it is fake and you will die on that hill no matter what. Your whole larp depends on it.
Cope. You're pretending I'll dismiss legitimate science so you don't have to come up with any. It's no coincidence that I call out epidemiology as not being science, and then you have nothing to post.
Define "legitimate science" as accurately as your peabrain is capable of doing.
You shouldn't need me to tell you what the scientific method is.
No no no, in your own words. Go ahead.
We both know what the scientific method is, dipshit. Stop wasting time and post some science.
You can't define "legitimate science"? Or you won't because the moment you do you know I can post some random paper fitting your criteria?
You'll never post anything because you have nothing. I've made it clear what I accept as science, and it's the same thing everyone who knows what science is accepts as science: anything conforming to the scientific method posted above. Post the science now or I accept your defeat..
I said you have to define it in your own words but you won't for the obvious reasons. You're not clever.
I accept your defeat.
Debates don't work like that. You keep refusing to tell what is "legitimate science" in your own words. Or you are unable to do so due to mental deficiencies. Either way, despite not telling what is "legitimate science", you ignore the whole nutrition science as fake a priori.
I am certain at this point that you know you can't win if you set the parameters you can't weasel out of it as usual. That means you already know that you are bullshitting people with your carnivore fad. Which raises the question why are you doing it anyways if you already know it's wrong?
>science
>epidemiology
Pick one.
It's a sad state of affairs when people disregard biology and anthropology in favor of demanding to be told what is true or not. People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition. Who do you think sponsors studies that you desperate crave for validation? Why are there seed oils and sugars in so many refined breads and carbs that you all think are so essential to the human diet, when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables? Get fricking real and grow a brain.
>People like you are what fueled the low fat craze that resulted in our ongoing epidemic of obesity and malnutrition.
When was this low fat craze you speak of?
>when historically our species has subsisted on meat as a staple of their diets due to the fibrous and calorie sparse nature of vegetables
Which part of human history are you talking about? There's millions years of it.
Because everyone on IST hates the ketoschizo.
It doesn't make everyone seethe.
Online you'll find a few people who will get into an argument with you, not because of the diet, but because the internet has broken their brains to the point where endless arguments with strangers is the only way they still feel feelings.
IRL, you will hear the following: "Oh, cool. I could never do that but sounds interesting. I gotta run."
This, they are on par with Vegans.
Fruits have neurotoxins that trick animals into consuming them so they’ll shit out the seeds(after getting the shits from the fiber and toxins) and help them spread more. It’s kind of like how toxoplasmosis in cat shit tricks mice into getting eaten by cats, thus spreading more toxoplasmosis as the cats shit out the parasite it got from the infected rat.
When you tell people you don’t eat much/any plants their damaged brains trigger a flight or flight response and they go into a seethe. They’re unwitting slaves to their plant overlords.
I look down on anyone who tells me they're on any kind of fad or crash diet. "Diet" is not a temporary thing. It's a lifestyle choice, and people who think they're going to eat differently for a bit then go right back to stuffing their moronic mouths with awful shit are low IQ subhumans and deserve to be ridiculed.
I am cutting right now and all i eat is around 250g worth of protein in lean meat.
Lol enjoy your kidney problems fatso
>fatso
Project harder fat frick. I have veins on my abs as we speak and i eat over 300g of protein in total when i'm bulking.
I haven’t fricked a chick who wasn’t obese in so long bros oh god oh please I do
Why are you telling everyone about your eating disorders?
It doesn't. I don't think anybody cares about ketoers except vegans apparently. But vegans are an actual death cult so I'd rather be with the ketos. Why can't people just eat normal?
I notice that most ketolards write like morons.
nobody seems to like my writing style either, even though I'm a carnivomoron, not a ketotard
I have no idea. Going low carb worked great for me. I ate less than 50g for a few months, and then less than 100g for a while after that. I also fasted a lot. Keto works in my opinion. It's just that I love things like toast and bread too much. Otherwise, I'd still be doing it. However, a lot of the benefits of the keto diet may just be eating cleaner overall. A lot of carby foods have shit in them you wouldn't believe.
Because it means you're a sheep that will believe anything it reads online.
Which kind convo is mote likely to happen at the dinner table
"hey OP why arent there any potatoes and veggies with your steak?"
Or
"Look at me! Im only eating steak, no veggies or potatoes! Look at me!"
Its the same reason people hate vegans, paleo and crossfitters. You homosexuals have to announce your latest fad to everyone even when not asked.
>"hey OP why arent there any potatoes and veggies with your steak?"
This one.
No, never unless its another diet cuktist wanting to use it as a pretext to talk about their diet cult.
No one normal cares. I have eaten a salad with canned sqardines for lunch for the last 3 months. Canned sardines are unusual for most people and Ive been asked about it zero times.
That's because you stink from tinned fish. Nobody wants to sit next to you.
Thats an added plus given 95% of humanity is painfully moronic.
Even the intelligent ones won't sit next to you.
Missing out in the 5 is worth avoiding the 95. More than likely its missing out on the 1. I live in an urban vote blue no matter who shithole.
My own life experience trumps your limited imagination. People think vegetables are important.
Rising obesity levels say otherwise
>eating a salad drenched in ranch dressing won't make you fat
Ok moron
You know damned well people arent eating salads
I want to try out a keto diet just to experience what ketosis is like for a few weeks, however I'm worried about a few things:
- I've read that the body is more likely to store ingested fat as body fat, rather than converting carbs into fat. Is that just a myth?
- Will the thermogenic effect from carbs be reduced?
- Is my strength while training going to noticeably suffer?
It's the anti-fad.
Honest to god, I only did a proper low-carb diet for 4 months in 2017. Lost 11 kilos (in 2 months, then stabilized to my proper body weight) and was very happy to tell everyone about it.
Then did it like one month in 2018, some weeks every other month in 2019 and forgot about it during the Plandemic.
Still I got insane reactions from people telling me I was about to die at any second now.
this lol
>drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and eat 3000 calories of processed flour and industrial sneed oils a day
>completely normal and healthy lifestyle
>eat meat and vegetables, say "no thanks" when offered pasta or bread
>everyone loses their shit, don't you know that is UNHEALTHY ANON OH MY GOD YOU'RE GONNA DIE
What's your diet like?
Usually black coffee, eggs + bacon for breakfast, sometimes only eggs when I'm lazy or late for work
On weekends I sometimes eat 40% quark, too
For dinner, fatty fish, ground beef, lamb, porkchops, chicken or steak, often combined with more eggs, sometimes combined with broiled broccoli.
If my butcher has it, I get as much game meat (deer, elk, etc.) as possible.
If I feel the need for a nightcap, I usually eat cheese.
Do you eat a lot of fat? Vegetable?
>Do you eat a lot of fat?
Yes
>Vegetable?
I try to keep below 20-30g of carbs, so not a whole lot, but most days I manage to squeeze in 200-300g of broccoli as I said
How much quark do you usually eat? When I look at the label it says almost 5 g of carbs, so eating the entire pack would already take me to to almost 20 g. I still want to have some room for vegetables too, so I just eat cottage cheese instead.
Mine says 4g but yeah it's definitely on the high side. I never eat the entire pack, only 100-200g, exactly to leave room for some veggies
>be me
>million years of sunligt diet
>became carnivore in the end
>pic related
Keto morons think eating sticks of butter and sardines is going to get them jacked, reality is, they become deathly ill and their organs start failing from just the sodium intake alone, we are omnivores, our bodies are made to be omnivores, if you aren't seeing gains from a NORMAL, balanced diet than you are either not training enough or aren't sleeping enough or both.
~~*everyone*~~
>dieting
You sound like a woman, that is probably why you are getting humiliated in public.