Because sweetness doesn't depend on calorie content the same way alcohol relies on alcohol content. Alcohol has calories. We'd need a drink that acts similar to alcohol but isn't alcohol. There are drugs that can make you feel drunk, but those are illegal.
What drugs?
I have yet to come across a drug that gives the same effect as alcohol.
Weed is nowhere near the same, mdma has too high cliffs and valleys, I'm not aware of any RC that can recreate the same effects.
You can get annihilated like once or twice a week and still maintain muscle as long as the rest of your diet is on point
That's effectively what I'm doing, I eat around 900-1200 cals 6/7 days a week then hit around 4000 cals on Friday night. I started my diet 1 and 1/2 months ago and have already dropped 10lbs.
This isn't a thread on "boo hoo why can't I drink alcohol" it's more on what available drugs are there than can recreate the effect with zero calories.
I've heard promising things about phenibut but I can't find substantial studies.
See the problem is I only hear positives about Phenibut.
There has to be some negatives.
You’ll form an addiction if you’re a moron and take like 5g of it constantly. May be a little lethargic the next day. And you need to pace yourself if you take it AND drink
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well I've just ordered 25g of it.
So, what do you reccomend?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Take 1g to start out. You probs wont feel much, so try 2g. You also wont feel much, so if you weigh at least 180lbs then you can try 3g. If you don't feel anything here I wouldn't take more. You can use it as a nootropic or weak benzo. Strictly use it for its anxiolytic effect. No 'buzz'
2 years ago
Anonymous
I weigh 161lbs
However I'm on a cut, will that make the effects stronger?
I'm not exactly looking for a buzz, more just a mitigation of the feeling that everyone is looking at me when I step outside.
I weigh 161lbs
However I'm on a cut, will that make the effects stronger?
I'm not exactly looking for a buzz, more just a mitigation of the feeling that everyone is looking at me when I step outside.
Listen to
I get pretty intense euphoria from phenibut on just 1g. Whoever told you to start out with doses larger than 2g did you a major disservice. I normally take 500mg about twice a week, and then I'll ul that to 1g if I want to have a really good day. No reason to go further than that.
I'm 165
Don't use phenibut as something to get high on. 2g is where you actually start to feel drunk and 3g makes you feel *very* drunk. At that point you're actually inebriated and sloppy. 500-1500mg is the optimal "therapeutic" dose. It takes about 3 hours to kick in and peaks at around 4 hours. You won't really feel any body effects, but you'll suddenly find yourself much more talkative and open to social interaction. My social anxiety basically disappears when I take it and I'm just generally in a better mood. It's "euphoric" but not in the same way alcohol or something like cocaine is euphoric. It just elevates your baseline and makes you feel pleasant all day. Of course, everyone's brain is different and your mileage may vary.
Personally, I think that people tend to exaggerate the addiction potential. But it is possible to get physically addicted to phenibut. Apparently the withdrawals are similar to benzos and extremely uncomfortable. Don't take it every day and take a break if you notice yourself gaining a tolerance.
Phenibut - its like a benzo, really clean anxiolytic effect, no euphoria like alcohol. I dont like it, I took 2.7g and didn't feel shit. At least when I take 2mg of xanax I feel fricked up. Diazepam is a great 'whiskey/wine drunk' simulator that is slightly less euphoric but more 'comfortable'.
You could do a low 1st plat dose of DXM via robocaps to simulate the buzz/stimulation of booze. Then just drink a weak drink of spirits like vodka/gin/whiskey diluted in club soda (no sugar). Or take 20ml shots of everclear or bacardi 151 every couple hours or so (titrate your dose and go slow).
I get pretty intense euphoria from phenibut on just 1g. Whoever told you to start out with doses larger than 2g did you a major disservice. I normally take 500mg about twice a week, and then I'll ul that to 1g if I want to have a really good day. No reason to go further than that.
Anon imma let you in on the secret
Eat your protein. Chicken and eggs early in the day. Eat 0 carbs on a day you’re gonna drink.
Then later on drink only spirits or dry red wine. Vodka and whiskey are “low calorie” options. Don’t drink beer.
Do this once or twice a week and live your life. You can even do this while cutting.
they did, first they were quaaludes, then they became barbituates, and now we have benzos. Very addictive. Don't do them, especially not diazepam (valium), thats the most recreational one and makes you feel like you're melting into the cough (has the strongest muscle relaxant effect of any benzo).
Alcohol is 7 calories per gram, it'd be ike trying to make 0 calorie lard
Because sweetness doesn't depend on calorie content the same way alcohol relies on alcohol content. Alcohol has calories. We'd need a drink that acts similar to alcohol but isn't alcohol. There are drugs that can make you feel drunk, but those are illegal.
What drugs?
I have yet to come across a drug that gives the same effect as alcohol.
Weed is nowhere near the same, mdma has too high cliffs and valleys, I'm not aware of any RC that can recreate the same effects.
That's effectively what I'm doing, I eat around 900-1200 cals 6/7 days a week then hit around 4000 cals on Friday night. I started my diet 1 and 1/2 months ago and have already dropped 10lbs.
This isn't a thread on "boo hoo why can't I drink alcohol" it's more on what available drugs are there than can recreate the effect with zero calories.
I've heard promising things about phenibut but I can't find substantial studies.
>a drug that gives the same effect as alcohol.
There's a whole class of them, called "depressants".
Ok lets add a caveat, a drug that gives the same effect as alcohol that isn't on the same level as heroin.
>heroin
That's an opiod.
Ketamine, anon. Ketamine.
I've had ketamine before, it's nowhere near the level I'm looking for.
I'm looking for something you can take daily without notice.
Diazepam. Literally given to alcies to cope with withdrawals.
benzos
Phenibut is like being drunk without the sloppiness
See the problem is I only hear positives about Phenibut.
There has to be some negatives.
It’s snorted, and generally snorting things is bad for you, and leads many people to snorting other more dangerous drugs.
You can get it in pill form
You’ll form an addiction if you’re a moron and take like 5g of it constantly. May be a little lethargic the next day. And you need to pace yourself if you take it AND drink
Well I've just ordered 25g of it.
So, what do you reccomend?
Take 1g to start out. You probs wont feel much, so try 2g. You also wont feel much, so if you weigh at least 180lbs then you can try 3g. If you don't feel anything here I wouldn't take more. You can use it as a nootropic or weak benzo. Strictly use it for its anxiolytic effect. No 'buzz'
I weigh 161lbs
However I'm on a cut, will that make the effects stronger?
I'm not exactly looking for a buzz, more just a mitigation of the feeling that everyone is looking at me when I step outside.
wtf you don't snort phenibut
Listen to
I'm 165
Don't use phenibut as something to get high on. 2g is where you actually start to feel drunk and 3g makes you feel *very* drunk. At that point you're actually inebriated and sloppy. 500-1500mg is the optimal "therapeutic" dose. It takes about 3 hours to kick in and peaks at around 4 hours. You won't really feel any body effects, but you'll suddenly find yourself much more talkative and open to social interaction. My social anxiety basically disappears when I take it and I'm just generally in a better mood. It's "euphoric" but not in the same way alcohol or something like cocaine is euphoric. It just elevates your baseline and makes you feel pleasant all day. Of course, everyone's brain is different and your mileage may vary.
Personally, I think that people tend to exaggerate the addiction potential. But it is possible to get physically addicted to phenibut. Apparently the withdrawals are similar to benzos and extremely uncomfortable. Don't take it every day and take a break if you notice yourself gaining a tolerance.
Phenibut - its like a benzo, really clean anxiolytic effect, no euphoria like alcohol. I dont like it, I took 2.7g and didn't feel shit. At least when I take 2mg of xanax I feel fricked up. Diazepam is a great 'whiskey/wine drunk' simulator that is slightly less euphoric but more 'comfortable'.
You could do a low 1st plat dose of DXM via robocaps to simulate the buzz/stimulation of booze. Then just drink a weak drink of spirits like vodka/gin/whiskey diluted in club soda (no sugar). Or take 20ml shots of everclear or bacardi 151 every couple hours or so (titrate your dose and go slow).
I get pretty intense euphoria from phenibut on just 1g. Whoever told you to start out with doses larger than 2g did you a major disservice. I normally take 500mg about twice a week, and then I'll ul that to 1g if I want to have a really good day. No reason to go further than that.
any GABAergic drug. benzos, phenibut, GHB
dangerous game to play though if you have an addictive personality
Vodka has only 100 calories per shot. Seems low enough to me.
They have. It's called not drinking you alcoholic.
Soda is made of water. Alcohol is made of... alcohol.
You got a source on that?
I get mine from the liquor store
You can get annihilated like once or twice a week and still maintain muscle as long as the rest of your diet is on point
>Zero calorie alcohol
That wouldn't be alcohol.
Because the alcohol itself has calories
That's about as moronic as zero calorie protein
You mean, like, benzos?
Anon imma let you in on the secret
Eat your protein. Chicken and eggs early in the day. Eat 0 carbs on a day you’re gonna drink.
Then later on drink only spirits or dry red wine. Vodka and whiskey are “low calorie” options. Don’t drink beer.
Do this once or twice a week and live your life. You can even do this while cutting.
they did, first they were quaaludes, then they became barbituates, and now we have benzos. Very addictive. Don't do them, especially not diazepam (valium), thats the most recreational one and makes you feel like you're melting into the cough (has the strongest muscle relaxant effect of any benzo).
Ketamine and benzos are the top 2 answers in the thread cuz I don't know a clue about phenibut
They do