Why is CICO just a meme?

Why is CICO just a meme?

  1. 3 months ago
    Ketoschizo

    Because me and my discord associates willed it.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    because chicken breasts and donuts don't work the same way

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not. It's literally the only diet that has been proven to work for literally everyone besides people with rare disorders or diseases, repeatedly in experimental trials. The problem with CICO is the problem with all diets and all exercise - the person trying CICO fails, not the diet. The only part of it that is meaningfully different is that CICO almost necessarily takes the most self-restraint of any diet, and requires a lot of attention. As is known to be a fact, people who are overweight grossly overestimate their level of physical routine and grossly underestimate the amount of calories they eat, each typically by 25-30%. It's not abnormal for obese people to overestimate their amount of exercise and underestimate the number of calories they consume by as much as 70%.
      The only real critique against it is that CICO is essentially the "cold turkey, you'll quit if you actually want" approach to a literal addiction. That approach works great to in terms of time to break the habit plus keeping the habit gone, but has terribly low success rate because if most people could just say, "Fuck it, no more addiction," then addiction wouldn't exist.

      Guy who did the twinkie diet proved this shit wrong. Calories are calories are calories when it comes to weight maintenance/loss/gain.
      https://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
      On top of that, losing the body fat literally improves all signals for cardiovascular health, despite the fact that your diet becomes completely shit temporarily while eating junk food.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why is it published on CNN instead of a scientific publication?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          he got in trouble for avoiding the fact that he took money from the junk food industry

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh ya that’s not important at all….

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not. It's literally the only diet that has been proven to work for literally everyone besides people with rare disorders or diseases, repeatedly in experimental trials. The problem with CICO is the problem with all diets and all exercise - the person trying CICO fails, not the diet. The only part of it that is meaningfully different is that CICO almost necessarily takes the most self-restraint of any diet, and requires a lot of attention. As is known to be a fact, people who are overweight grossly overestimate their level of physical routine and grossly underestimate the amount of calories they eat, each typically by 25-30%. It's not abnormal for obese people to overestimate their amount of exercise and underestimate the number of calories they consume by as much as 70%.
        >The only real critique against it is that CICO is essentially the "cold turkey, you'll quit if you actually want" approach to a literal addiction. That approach works great to in terms of time to break the habit plus keeping the habit gone, but has terribly low success rate because if most people could just say, "Fuck it, no more addiction," then addiction wouldn't exist.
        Hahahaha holy shit ain't nobody reading all of that
        >Muh fat person goes on an icecream diet
        >Fails because adherence is impossible
        >B-but cico!!!????
        You people are the most retarded beings on the planter. No one disagrees with the rule CICO but purists ignoring all the other variables makes you subhuman retards.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's like a crypto bro telling you to buy low and sell high.
    Yes it's technically true but it gives you no information of value.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Yes it's technically true but it gives you no information of value
      it's the other way around - all the bullshit: eat your veggies, eat your low calorie substitute food , don't eat past 8pm or whatever, do this do that, go on walks, and so on - all this is useless and wrong information when cico isn't taken into consideration

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      dimwit

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't. The only cunts who think that are that one retard with his retarded rat study that merely showed that a low carb diet helped burn fat quicker than a non-low carb diet, which he then (somehow) misinterpreted to mean that CICO literally doesn't work in any way, shape, or form, even if you were starving to death.

    And the other cunts are the one's who bring long-term discipline into the equation, like as if that's somehow relevant to whether or not you will lose weight doing CICO (which you will and is the only relevant factor), and then they turn it into an argument of keeping the weight off, when that wasn't a part of the argument.

    So, no, it's not a meme. Just eat at a caloric deficit and have some fucking discipline. It's not that hard.

    • 3 months ago
      Ketoschizo

      it isn't
      you can't beat the laws of physics
      use more energy than you consume and your body will use stored calories for energy
      consume more energy than you use and your body will store calories for later
      fat people are stupid and/or lazy
      simple as

      >consume lots of FOOD
      >gain weight
      >consume only some food
      >weight remains constant
      >restrict food intake
      >lose weight
      Holy FUCKING SHIT you mean the MEME turned out to be TRUE?

      Please stop making me wrongthink, keto makes me brilliant, beatific, and validated. Take your opinions to Twitter and catch these hands.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        keto absolutely works
        so long as you're consuming less calories than you use
        keto works so well because so many people have problems with binging on carbs

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Keto is also cico you fucking retard

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fucking this. Weight loss is a pyramid and CICO is the base. Add all the shit you want on top of it to optimise, but you're not going to lose weight overeating calories.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Retards hear OMAD and think they can get away with anything. OMAD is just a way to limit your calories by reducing your number of portions + a few fasting benefits, doesn’t work if you fill up on KFC and triple chocolate cake and soda. Quickly becoming a fad diet like paleo and keto because fucking fat morons and wiggers can’t grasp the basics first

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong + you are clueless holy fuck this retarded board. No one disagrees with CICO you fucking retards.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No one disagrees with CICO
            lol

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. And fatties who claim to eat 2k calories a day and run 10 miles a week without losing weight are liars. Simple as. They either under report their caloric intake like not mentioning their nightly snacking binges, over estimate their calorie burning or both.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And fatties who claim to eat 2k calories a day and run 10 miles a week without losing weight are liars
        I'm

        >Why is CICO just a meme
        I've lost nearly 30kg since december just by staying below my TDEE. If it's a joke then it's a good one on my behalf.

        , and I have a coworker is very salty of my progress. She keeps talking about how some people just have it oh so easy to lose weight (I'm working my ass off doing this), and how she have tried so many times and is always careful with her calories, but she's just genetically disposed to put on weight.
        At the same time she drinks several ice coffee with sugar and/or flavour syrup every day, and I rarely see her move from her chair other than to go make said ice coffee. I have a hard time imagining her being more active at home.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          bruh tell me about it, women are waaay more likely to be following some absolutely braindead tiktok diet like "never eat after 3pm and your weight will drop", and they think a break day is okay and eat triple their maint.
          at this point im seriously considering getting a chud gf. yeah they have mental problems but probably still better than a woman

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >consume lots of FOOD
    >gain weight
    >consume only some food
    >weight remains constant
    >restrict food intake
    >lose weight
    Holy FUCKING SHIT you mean the MEME turned out to be TRUE?

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    it isn't
    you can't beat the laws of physics
    use more energy than you consume and your body will use stored calories for energy
    consume more energy than you use and your body will store calories for later
    fat people are stupid and/or lazy
    simple as

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    because you are fat and retarded (oxymoron)

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      are you retarded? An oxymoron is a contradictory figure of speech like "jumbo shrimp." Did you mean redundant?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. fat and retarded(oxymoron)

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oxy moron more like hehe

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fatties now believe the fundamental laws of the universe don't apply to them

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      He spams /fat/ shilling keto every single day (please save us)

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Next time on SECRET EATERS https://youtu.be/bYJrC3RTtgQ

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alright, I was gonna find some blog post filled with pseudo science about intuitive eating but this is from the British heart foundation an organisation reportedly for getting rid of heart disease. This is why I don't trust any of these fuckers. https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/nutrition/weight/intuitive-eating/10-principles-of-intuitive-eating

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Having read this, I’ve decided to fuck sobriety and just become an intuitive drinker. Some people clearly just have a set point of inebriation and I refuse to be drunk shamed

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >8. Respect your body
      >We are not all the same shape and size, so we need to let go of unrealistic expectations of body image. Accepting and respecting your body at every size will help you to feel better and make choices about food and exercise that are logical, rather than emotional.

      It's like they make money out of people with terrible health.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICO is definitely not a meme but what everyone forgets is that muscle and fat both require calories to maintain.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is CICO just a meme
    I've lost nearly 30kg since december just by staying below my TDEE. If it's a joke then it's a good one on my behalf.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      gj!

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks. This also helped me "resetting" my tastebuds, so now I actually enjoy healthy food and dishes that'd make me retch when I was fatter.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Barring health issues CICO is tautological, particularly when it comes to weight loss. Plateaus can occur for bulking, but if you burn more calories than you eat you will lose fat. Unless you are somehow a perpetual motion machine

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    CICOfags just don't get it. Eating less is only the first layer of weight loss.

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because
    1) the way calories are measured is moronic. Your body doesn't combust nutrients, it uses enzymes which provide different ammounts of energy than combustion
    2) proteins are almost not used for energy, they are mainly used to build muscles and bones, only some tiny ammount of the protein you don't use is converted to glucose,
    3) your body isn't a closed system. You can absorb some energy from light through the mytochondria in your skin (this is neglectable) but if CICO was so true then you'd just lose weight by being cold; calories are a measurement of energy in the form of heat (energy required to raise the temperature of 1g of water by 1K)

    BUT, calories do give you a ballpark figure of the energy in food. It's just very, very innacurate. Consuming less than what you require WILL make you lose fat, because your liver is constantly either storing fat or using your fat storage.
    However, eating carbs and fat together is what makes people fat, because it activates the Randle cycle (picrel). Glucose (all carbs become glucose in your bloodstream) and fats compete to provide energy to cells the cell fails to absorb either because of that you have lots of unusable glucose and fats in your blood stream the liver stores it you end up hungry and fat.
    It's why milk makes you big, this mechanism exists for babies to get BIG so they can have their growth spurt.

    So yes, you can use calories, CICO works to some extent but it's a meme because it's a gross oversimplification and there are other, better ways to fix the problem, like not being a disgusting fat fuck in the first place.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong pic lol, here is the Randle cycle one; that previous one was the mechanism for how fat is processed into metabolites that provide energy.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but if CICO was so true then you'd just lose weight by being cold
      you do though

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you gain weight in summer too, fag?
        Cold showers for fat loss too? get real.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes because shivering burns calories. Dumb retard

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So does shivering when you're not cold, retard. Are you going to do the epic shiver workout now?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >shivering when you're not cold, retard
              I don't have aids like you so that doesn't happen

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >your body isn't a closed system
      Congratulations -- you've figure out what the I and O mean in CICO.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're a fucking retard, I was talking about the implied equivalence of CI=CO. Just because it isn't spelled out for room temp IQ mongoloids like you doesn't mean it isn't there.
        You're either dumb as a box of rocks or disingenuous.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Since you then go on to neglect the fact that BMR is mostly about maintaining body temperature (why mammals need more food than reptiles), it looks like your the one who's dumb as a box of rocks and disingenuous.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            > BMR is mostly about maintaining body temperature
            Sure, fuck making the heart beat, balancing the electrolytes, making enzymes, using the brain, renewing cells, etc then.
            You sound as retarded as breatharians, heat is a byproduct not the endgoal.
            Yes your metabolism results in heat, and guess what your body also metabolises water. Guess you better stop drinking as well, moron.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ignore the numbers. Use more calories than you absorb. That's it.

      As long as your calorie counting method is consistent, you can calibrate out the errors... basic closed-loop control system.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    thermodynamics don't care what you are eating, just how much

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because eating only sugar would be a terrible idea but if you believe in CICO you would have to say well it's just CICO bro don't worry fucking lol CICOtards at their best, just eat protein and icecream man it's CICO!

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does this thread have 50 replies and is bumped to the front page?
    Don't you know about sage?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are you the leader of this board? Can you tell us why you think CICO is just a meme?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        based

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        ?
        he seems to be implying that CICO is not a meme

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not. People fail because most grossly overestimate their CO and underestimate their CI. Also you don't get long term benefits like resetting your internal hormonal weight thermostat if you keep eating, even at below TDEE.

    Just fast, it's way simpler and healthier.

  20. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're all missing an important point.

    We can solve the energy crisis by rounding up all the magic-fats who can break thermodynamics by creating fat out of nothing. If we can burn one magic-fat, then we can use the power they expel to burn even MORE magic-fats.

    Giant generators with infinite power! Turn that tax burden into a power boom!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd watch that anime. Japanese samurais capturing invading American blob monsters, and using them as fuel.

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's a good guideline for complete beginners and there is no alternative unless you have crippling autism

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he isn't doing keto+cico+omad

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