why is it far less popular than ppl?

why is it far less popular than ppl?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's perceived as a powerlifting program.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boring. Wendler is a fascist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Leftoids never cease to out themselves.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wtf I love 531 now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Buy dictionary gay

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s shit and boring. BBB is the definition of junk volume

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate on what you think junk volume is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here’s an example, 5x10 deadlift. What the fuck will that accomplish? Junk volume. Even for something like bench, you’d be better off doing something like 3x10 two days a week vs trying to get 5x10 one day a week

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is junk volume? Not an example, a definition.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s less appealing to zoomers. They see 6 days a week with high volume from PPL and hop on that. 531 requires a slight amount of knowledge/planning to properly do.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also 531 is just a shit program. Every thread is:
      >Muh stabilizers grew

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. benches 1.5 pl8

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >[zoomers] see 6 days a week with high volume from PPL and hop on that
      Tell you, it's fucking entertaining watching them drop like flies after getting burned out.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        post body

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >6x per week high volume hypertrophy program
    vs
    >Big 4 powerlifting "athletics"
    Full body / upper-lower are obviously superior to both, but no one can argue that PPLPPLx isn't at least fun.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot to mention... 5/3/1 progresses monthly. 99% of the fitness community are beginner-beginners or early intermediates. They need to progress weekly and refuse to follow common-sense beginning programs (SS/SL/TM/BillStarr).

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because all of Wendlers hair brained routines suck. Using 5/3/1 progression for your heavy lift on a ppl or brosplit isn't bad though. All his routines are just aids and inferior, but he can't sell a simple ppl or brosplit with 531 sets at the top because anyone can make one of those.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What I do is 531 the main lift, sometimes 5s progression. Then do whatever workout I want afterwards. It's not rocket science. Just lift and make gains.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried a few time to read on 5/3/1 and I can't fucking understand it. what does it say the number of reps weird

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's very easy to understand.
      Do 5 reps 3 reps 1 rep at the load (% of 90% of 1 RM) prescribed.
      Perhaps this is actually why no one does it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i still don't understand this shit. why is it formatted like only week 3 follows the 5/3/1 format ?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's called 5/3/1 just because of the last week. Not every week uses that scheme. Don't get hung up on the name.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Deload, repeat.
          You should not be doing it because you're struggling with intro periodization and ramped sets. Do TM or some Bill Starr routine if you've successfully completed SS / SL.

          [...]
          Actually it's percentage of Training Max. Training max is 90% of 1RM. The theory is how often do you truly test your 1RM? Most people is never or extremely rarely.

          That's what I said, multiply the percentages shown by 90% of your 1RM.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. If your 1RM is 225 90% of your 1RM is 205. Similarly if you 1RM is 315 your TM is 285

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Write down the multiplication involved and get back to me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1rm - 315
                60% - 315 * 0.6 = 189

                TM - 315* 0.9 = 285
                60% - 285 * 0.6 = 171

                Yeah about a 20 lb difference there, bub.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Deload, repeat.
                You should not be doing it because you're struggling with intro periodization and ramped sets. Do TM or some Bill Starr routine if you've successfully completed SS / SL.
                [...]
                That's what I said, multiply the percentages shown by 90% of your 1RM.

                >That's what I said, multiply the percentages shown by 90% of your 1RM.
                Multiple 315 (1RM) by 90%, then apply the percentages to that 90% figure.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. If your 1RM is 225 90% of your 1RM is 205. Similarly if you 1RM is 315 your TM is 285

            Those percentages are Percentage of your TM. Thus as I said in

            No. If your 1RM is 225 90% of your 1RM is 205. Similarly if you 1RM is 315 your TM is 285

            If your 1RM is 315, your TM is 285 and 60% of your TM is 171.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i still don't understand this shit. why is it formatted like only week 3 follows the 5/3/1 format ?

        Actually it's percentage of Training Max. Training max is 90% of 1RM. The theory is how often do you truly test your 1RM? Most people is never or extremely rarely.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ok so I read it with more attention and I think I get it now. it's more like each work out is a build up to one set that's AMRAP. first week is all sets of 5, second week is all sets of 3, and third week is one set of 5, one set of 3, and one set of 1. but I can't help but think this would be demotivatingly low weight for a relatively small number of reps. take the 5+ set on week 1: 85% of 90% of your 1RM will allow you to do a lot more than 5 reps

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, the volume for the base program is worse than Madcow. You need to add down sets and/or a bunch of other volume if you want the program to work.
          Personally, I prefer programs with higher intensity for squats/deadlift, and higher volume for bench/press.
          The specificity is also crap. You're doing each movement 1x per week. If you want to improve those lifts, you need 2x frequency at a minimum (deadlifts excluded).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just do db bench and dips as your push accessory on your non bench days.... This shit is built into the program, it only fails if you're an illiterate retard.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reddit likes and recommends it therefore it´s gay

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do boring but big

    Push pull rest push pull rest rest

    Push day is
    Squat
    Ohp
    Db delt flies
    Bench
    Chest flies
    Incline db
    Leg extensions
    Calves
    Tri extension and tri dips super set
    Push ups / weightless squat superset

    Pull day is
    Trap bar deadlift
    Hamstring curls
    Pull ups
    Seated rows
    Band pull aparts / shrug super sets
    Cable straight arm lat pull down / rope bicep curl super set
    Core

    I don’t give a fuck about progressive overload % I just go hard and intense as I see fit with every session and get tons of sets in but make sure I avoid burnout

    I’m the strongest and most jacked I’ve ever been.

    It’s all about consistency. My sessions are just full body push pull sessions

    People talk shit on my routine yet they provide absolutely zero rationale nor do they offer any advice or improvement, so until then my routine is bulletproof and I thank wendler for the roadmap

    This post will be shat on yet there won’t be any rational or advice, which I’m used to

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only thing wrong with your routine I can see at a glance is a terminal lack of delt work. Also it's nothing like boring but big so I don't know why you credit it at all.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >terminal lack of delt work
        OHP, BENCH PRESS, DB DELT FLIES, CHEST FLIES, INCLINE DB
        What the fuck are you on?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Push pull rest push pull rest rest
      This is bait right? I can no longer tell on this site with the amount of legitimate autistic retards we got here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's wrong with this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for confirming.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Band pull aparts
      my fucking bro, Love that shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That routine sucks but my split is similar
      push pull push pull push pull rest

      I dont do legs though

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do both PPL and 5/3/1

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5/3/1 is more of a methodology that can be summarized by
    >increase weight and decrease reps each week for 3 weeks and then reset
    >add volume depending on goals
    with the more recent books adding
    >do lots of single leg work
    you can do 5/3/1 AND PPL at the same time
    people can hate on Wendler but there's nothing wrong with the backbone of his training
    they forget his target audience is high school football players (just like Rippletits)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      My current 531 is just main lifts and BBB or jokers, then a few accessories that I enjoy like more arm work or shoulder work. Who cares just do the work.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shit volume
    >t. Made more progress in last 6 months from PPL than almost two years from 5/3/1

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can add as much volume as you like

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >states 531 doesn't have volume
      >confirmed DYEL
      People bitch about the amount of volume that a legitimate 531 involves.
      BBB, trivumante and periodization bible. The only one that has a lack of volume is the I'm Not Doing Jack Shit, which just has you doing main lift and nothing else.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh I turned 5/3/1 into a pplppl you can do whatever you want with the program

      Yes, the volume for the base program is worse than Madcow. You need to add down sets and/or a bunch of other volume if you want the program to work.
      Personally, I prefer programs with higher intensity for squats/deadlift, and higher volume for bench/press.
      The specificity is also crap. You're doing each movement 1x per week. If you want to improve those lifts, you need 2x frequency at a minimum (deadlifts excluded).

      >You're doing each movement 1x per week. If you want to improve those lifts, you need 2x frequency at a minimum
      Just add bench to an ohp day or vice versa

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's because you didn't actually do the accessories or conditioning.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bro i added 10 lbs to my 160 lbs bench press im 10 months bro
    It totally works bro its all about that consistent progress bro
    Cant stall if you never lift close to your max bro

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone doing 5/3/1 with a 160 bench is an idiot. You should only switch to 5/3/1 if you can no longer make weekly or biweekly progress.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anyone doing 5/3/1 with a 160 bench is an idiot.
        This

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Makes perfect sense if you're a skinny teen who doesn't want to gain weight or a woman.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >progress linearly every month
            >progress linearly every time you work out
            Yeah, you are just another retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you should have gained 50-100 lbs on your 160 bench, but it's retarded either way. you should be adding weight to your 5x5s whenever you can up until you stall.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My OHP is 42.5kg 3x5. I want to do 5/3/1 but it feels a bit early. What other progression can I do because trying to increase 3x5 every week is becoming a grind

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just repeat the same weight but with one more rep per set (3x6) before adding more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trying to increase 3x5 every week is becoming a grind
      only increase weight for the last set. for example do 42.5kg 2x5 then 43.5kg 1x5

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just OHP more often
      t. 46kg 3x5 Alpha-Chad

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's suited to powerlifting peaking. Most people aren't peaking for a powerlifting meet. Just doing an UL 4x per week split with maybe an extra arm/shoulder session is all you need (plus eating and sleeping) for building muscle naturally.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Legs twice a week is retarded.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        provide justification

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've been improving and I'm not too fatigued. My volume on the leg days isn't too severe. I also do 9+ cardio sessions a week and it's fine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, what a fag.
        Squat 3x per week or bust.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Novicepilled

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That routine sucks but my split is similar
        push pull push pull push pull rest

        I dont do legs though

        Post body NOW

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah x3 or more is only acceptable.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    conjugate is superior for strength and conditioning

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.jimwendler.com/blogs/jimwendler-com/101082438-boring-but-big-and-really-sore

    I'm running this. Tldr:
    >4 cycles
    >start with 5x10
    >work up to 5x20

    Wendler is a genius

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /plg/ shits on it and they say that only building the monolith is worth it, and they are quite right tbh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /plg/ are clueless

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesnt it work?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do a bbb beefcake version modified for my needs i like it pretty solid stuff

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >531/BBB
    >squat day
    >205x3
    >225x3
    >245x12 (amrap set)
    >do the 5x10 squats
    >stairmaster tier sweating, literal beads on my arms
    >5x10 chins
    >5x20 hanging leg raises
    >done in 45 minutes
    do I need to do more? I was wiped at the end but 45 minutes is half the time I spend on a PPL workout
    it is a lot of fun though

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pure powershitting though ledditors think it's bodybuilding because BBB has 10 rep sets in it. In no world is 5/3/1 deadlifts followed up by 5x10 deadlifts and "0-15 leg raises" is a "bodybuilding" routine. Jim Wendler has pretty small arms too for being a 2300lb totalling giga roider.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in the book that jim bro said that if you train more that 2 days in a row you are sabotaging recovery or something

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So is this good for aesthetics or not? I’m doing the 3 days a week version, but not BBB, just some other standard accessory stuff per the book (50-100 reps for a push pull and core excercise, respectively)

    Each session takes me like 90 minutes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’ve been doing it for like 3 months. Seen some strength gains but not sure about aesthetic.

      Also - is it retarded to start a cut on 531 programming? Like trying to gain strength while cutting is dumb right?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Funny how Wendler is making big buck with his shitty 5/3/1 only because it's catchy and easy to market. You will not see great gains with this unless you're riding, but keep buying a new book every year lmao

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it gave good strength gains to me. and some muscle too.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 5/3/1 template for main lifts is ok, it's basically just a slow but steady progress instead of adding lbs per week, you add lbs per month

    The rest of the workout you can do whatever. I personally incorporate 531 on any of my main lifts because it's challenging but doable, and I know I'm making progress instead of just eyeballing plates and going by feel.

    I do 531 on the main lift on a PPL, on an upper lower, on conjugate... hell I even do 531 on weighted pullups.

    In short, do whatever you want and if it works don't fix it.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    fatty-bo0m-batty

    It's for late-intermediate/early-advanced lifters and it uses undulating periodization, which is actually great for managing fatigue; I don't know why it's less popular than other programs, but it might have something to do with the fact that people just mindlessly parrot what they read on the internet and don't (can't) actually read themselves.

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