Why is it that everyone is taught sea water will make you more dehydrated when you're dying out in the wilderness, but everyone who does keto and...

Why is it that everyone is taught sea water will make you more dehydrated when you're dying out in the wilderness, but everyone who does keto and long term fasting drinks salt water daily for electrolytes?
Have we been duped? Would you drink sea water to stay hydrated trapped on an island?

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you have too much water you die, if you have too much salt water you die. Athletes and people that exercise regularly replace their water intake with water and electrolytes as needed. Electrolyte water/drinks has much less salt than sea water as well. Try and drink a shit ton of salt water that has the same salinity as the ocean, have fun sitting on the toilet all day

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      i have literally done that (albeit slowly) and suffered no toilet shits

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        >suffered, no toilet, shits

        >suffered, no toilet shits

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          he's from india

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol
            but seriously i have drank salty as frick water during a workout on keto and did it slowly, and i never got any crazy diarrhea or anything

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Chris Duffin literally recommends eating a tablespoon of salt as pre-workout

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    the amount of salt is pertinent

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go ahead and google the salt concentration of those two concoctions and see how moronic your thread is.

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    *nasally nerd voice*
    Go ahead and google the salt concentration of those two concoctions

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      "nasally" is an adverb; you mean "nasal".

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're moronic, sea water is around ten times saltier than even the strongest electrolyte drink you'd drink when fasting.

    I've been thinking though, if you're in a life or death situation, soaking in the salt water probably wouldn't be a bad idea. If you drink it, you will have horrible diarrhea, but when you're dehydrated you can partially hydrate through the skin. It wouldn't probably be enough to fully hydrate you like a drink of water would, but it might give you quite a few extra days of surviving if you just soak in it for a few hours every day.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      im talking about long term fasting, like over 3 days

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, sea water is still 10 times saltier than what water fasters drink. 35g/liter vs less than 3,5g/liter. I do long water fasts (7 days+) so I would know.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          >vs less than 3,5g/liter.
          Do fastards really? dissapointed,even my tomato juice is 6g/liter

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's bullshitting

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah because its so cool to have liquid shits throughout the day. Wouldn't want to be caught drinking water that isn't salty enough, couldn't be me.

            3g/l is around the level where you have to stop drinking it and instead you're forced to sip it or have water come out of your ass within 15 minutes. This is how it is when there is nothing else in there, the water has to be absorbed by your small intestine or large intestine or else it comes out of your ass. The lower the salt content, the better it absorbs. At some level of salts, instead of getting absorbed into the walls it will absorb from the walls and then you shit all that out. There is zero benefit to drinking saltier water, 6g/liter is easily within that liquid shit territory.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              you say 6g/liter is easily liquid shit territory but everyone from their anecdotes in this thread has drank tomato juice and hasnt had liquid shits from it
              interesting stuff

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only when you're water fasting, I was talking about water fasting and the salt water that you drink while doing it. Your digestive tract is completely empty when you do it so it works differently, mostly its just way more sensitive to salt. Any moisture must get absorbed into the walls, there is no shit or anything else it could be absorbed by.

                If you're eating food, probably around 10g/l salt water is where you would induce liquid shits. That's the mechanism of common laxatives like magnesium sitrate.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you sure it's not entirely subjective on the individual and the sodium content (which is what the salt is for in the first place, as we know salt =/= sodium) and that you're not just sensitive individually to it? or consuming salt with a lower sodium percentage than normal?

                I've read user-submitted content about how they need double the amount of sodium than someone else on the same diet. I don't think it's set in stone at all.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're very confused about this subject.

                There is no "subjectivity" in laxative effects of osmotic laxatives, which salt water is. if it's saltier than the liquids outside the walls of your intestines it's a laxative, simple as, you get liquid "shit". We don't vary wildly on how much electrolytes we have in our tissues since they require a certain amount to function and they do work to stay in that state through homeostasis. As soon as there are more of any electrolytes in the water inside the colon than in the surrounding tissues, Na+ and Cl- in the case of regular table salt, then that draws liquid into the intestines resulting in liquid shit.

                >consuming salt with a lower sodium percentage than normal?

                Salt is pure NaCl unless specified otherwise. To have a smaller than normal Na content would mean you aren't consuming salt, but something else like NoSalt. Also in this case it wouldn't matter, the sodium isn't the part which matters for liquid shits anyway, any electrolyte will do. Water fasters usually have a mixture of NaCl, KCl and MgCl2, all of them combined adding up to around 3 to 5 grams per day. You can read the recipe in the /fast/ thread. This is where my information comes from, people make this concoction and drink it every day. If they put it in only 0.5l of water, they're guaranteed to shit water, 1.0l they have to sip it and still there's a risk. To safely drink it while water fasting without fear of liquid shits they have to dilute it into 1.5 to 2 liters of water. Some even put it in a gallon of water and its all they drink throughout the day.

                >I've read user-submitted content about how they need double the amount of sodium than someone else on the same diet. I don't think it's set in stone at all.

                What does this have to do with anything we talked about? We didn't talk about needs of anything, we talked about how salty water needs to be to make you have liquid shits.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Salt is pure NaCl unless specified otherwise
                I literally looked in my kitchen and saw two brands of sea salt having different percentages of sodium lol
                >What does this have to do with anything we talked about?
                but it IS related to what we're talking about, because you're pulling out numbers out of your ass. "Probably around 1g/l salt" isn't based on anything scientific but something YOU brought up

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                probably around 10g/l*

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                My 10g/l turned out to be pretty spot on, if not even a bit more than needed. Apparently it's something called a salt water flush, meaning using salt water as a laxative. Most "recipes" seem to use 1-2 teaspoon of salt in a liter of water and that is enough to make you shit water for potentially the whole day. 1-2 teaspoons is 5-10 grams, but that does vary based on how fine or coarse the salt you use is, 10 grams being around what you'd get with finer salt. Again, the mineral content of the salt doesn't matter, they're all different types of electrolytes anyway.

                https://www.healthline.com/health/salt-water-flush#how-to

                It says to do it on an empty stomach, don't confuse that with a completely empty digestive track like you'd have when you're fasting, that's why you need way less for the same effect in that case.

              • 12 months ago
                Anonymous

                >"Probably around 1g/l salt"

                Where did I say this?

                >I literally looked in my kitchen and saw two brands of sea salt having different percentages of sodium lol

                And? The fact that there are product with slightly varying amounts of different minerals in them doesn't mean that when we talk about salt we aren't referring to NaCl.

                If I say something has 3,5 grams of salt it means it has 3,5 grams of NaCl, how you get to a solution with that concentration of that molecule like that is up to you. Also why are you so fixated on sodium (Na) when it's not the main issue here? Any electrolyte will do and when I say grams of salt, I'm not talking about grams of sodium since that wouldn't take into account the weight of half of the molecule (the Cl- half).

                >but it IS related to what we're talking about, because you're pulling out numbers out of your ass. "Probably around 1g/l salt" isn't based on anything scientific but something YOU brought up

                It literally doesn't have anything to do with this, we aren't talking about dietary needs of any of these elements. We are talking about what amount makes you shit when you water fast, you just brought up daily dietary requirements on different diets for no reason as if it made any difference to this conversation.

                If you're referring to me saying 10g/l is enough to make you shit, that's a estimate based on experience, I wasn't claiming it as scientific evidence, just like you've provided no evidence for any of what you say.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      You could drink it through your ass. If the colon is good enough to absorb moisture from literal shit it should be capable of taking it from salt water without poisoning you. Has anyone tried this?

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know, maybe. The salt water would still be way saltier than the water in the tissues outside your colon so there would be osmotic pressure into the colon, which would dehydrate you.

        If you get to the level of dehydration where your skin starts to dry out (happens long before you die), I think that is when the soaking could help since you'd hydrate the skin by coming into contact with the sea water and that hydration of the skin could then travel to other parts of your body, possibly without the salt.

        This doesn't work with skin that isn't dried out since it wouldn't absorb anything and would instead act as a barrier that prevents anything from absorbing.

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    *nasally nerd voice*
    "nasally" is an adverb; you mean "nasal".

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Youre right OP, just ignore all these other idiot anons. Start drinking exclusively sea water and teach them.

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