Why is that every UFC fighter and Boxer I've seen from their workout routine they're lifting relatively lightweights compared to how big the...

Why is that every UFC fighter and Boxer I've seen from their workout routine they're lifting relatively lightweights compared to how big they are. I know in regards to pullups they are genuinely impressive with most able to do 20+, but when it comes to bench or squat they only do 1 or 2 plates

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    well you could stick your head up the bulls ass to get a good look at the t bone or you could just take the butchers word for it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tommy Boy ! Fuck yeah

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bench is pretty useless compared to even curls.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      They definitely do benches as the normal routine, but they do lighter weights, really all the workouts including squats are 1 plates and even 2 plates for some of the higher guys. Overall if you heard these guys posting on here you'd call them pussies. Like even their presses are very light overall from what I'd expect

      Strength training has a pretty direct correspondence with heavier lifts = heavier bodyweight

      Whereas training for things such as striking power or dexterity is primarily about mapping your neural pathways and doesnt add much if any bodyweight

      Fighters compete in weight classes so training for higher bodyweight puts you up against people who probably have more power and speed than you

      Is weightlifting even useful if callisthenics yields more practical strength though?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Is weightlifting even useful if callisthenics yields more practical strength though?
        Even track athletes do weightlifting, you just do the movements more explosively. Callisthenics is for poorfags and autists who want to memorize 200 progressions and the proper form for each.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          But if a UFC/ Boxer/ Kick boxer is more callisthenic heavy why would I focus on purely weightlifting

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            They probably do weighted pullups and dips. I doubt they do pure calisthenics or avoid weights. Things like power cleans are extremely good for explosive strength

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              No they don't, if you see their wokrout regimen you'd expect them to be DYEL tier, but they're professional fighters

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Weightlifting is less about getting an optimal body for combat and mostly about becoming huge and getting dopamine from seeing funny numbah go up. There is nothing wrong with that, although I feel like high lifts give way more benefits for grappling. High weight class wrestlers bench 3-4 plates.
        The current best No Gi BJJ grappler is also juiced as fuck

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's juiced to the gills because he does absolute matches with no weight limits primarily. He still doesn't lift as much as even many intermediate lifters do. Gordon still primarily focuses on cardio.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Strength training has a pretty direct correspondence with heavier lifts = heavier bodyweight

    Whereas training for things such as striking power or dexterity is primarily about mapping your neural pathways and doesnt add much if any bodyweight

    Fighters compete in weight classes so training for higher bodyweight puts you up against people who probably have more power and speed than you

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're not training to be the strongest bench pressers.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of people underestimate how much bigger you look when you are very lean. A lot of mma fighters are around 10-12%bf

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      not really, look at paddy pimblett. he's 5'10 200 lbs walking around and loses 20 lbs for his fights before cutting to to 155lbs. They do a lot of sketchy shit

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        He is still 10% bf when he fights I don't get what your point is

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    muscle is a careful science in MMA because you don't want to have too much excess muscle that slows you down, just enough to be able to punch and kick for several minutes straight
    IST will cope and seethe saying that you need all the muscle you can get but none of them have done cardio in years so they wouldn't know

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bench press is useless for martial arts.
    They usually do make good gains because training MMA is so cardio intensive its hard to eat enough to bulk. Also, when they are in a training camp a few weeks out from a fight, which is usually when promo videos are filmed, they are extremely calories deficient so they are probably weak as shit compared to the off season.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Connor McGregor fights at 170lbs... probably weights closer to 185lbs or 190lbs, and only benches 2 plates.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      2 skinny ass non 45s

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are not 45s. that's maybe 2 25s but say it's 2 45s, still no what you'd expect

      >Ctrl+f
      >not one mention of roids
      You're all retarded. Every professional athlete is on roids. You know, those chemicals so potent and borderline magical that there's a study floating around showing that roids + no exercise group gained more muscle than the no roids + exercise group? Your entire workout routine could be Zumba and you'd be jacked, splitting hairs about what makes them big program wise is pointless. They train whatever is most efficient for them to perform, and the aesthetics come from the roids.

      Roids would make it so they can do heavy weight and still train cardio. I thought most these dudes were juicing but now not so much

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, they're all juicing, just not necessarily for size. Part of it is just to accommodate the sheer amount of training they do. No matter the weight class, their regimens are grueling, basically a full on day job. Even if it's mostly cardio, it would fuck a natural person's body beyond repair over time. It just wouldn't be productive to train that way because your natural recovery cannot handle it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are not 45s. that's maybe 2 25s but say it's 2 45s, still no what you'd expect

      [...]
      Roids would make it so they can do heavy weight and still train cardio. I thought most these dudes were juicing but now not so much

      He does 70 - 80kg on the incline bench for 8
      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pgjEQM7CpZY

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ctrl+f
    >not one mention of roids
    You're all retarded. Every professional athlete is on roids. You know, those chemicals so potent and borderline magical that there's a study floating around showing that roids + no exercise group gained more muscle than the no roids + exercise group? Your entire workout routine could be Zumba and you'd be jacked, splitting hairs about what makes them big program wise is pointless. They train whatever is most efficient for them to perform, and the aesthetics come from the roids.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >roids + no exercise group gained more muscle than the no roids + exercise group
      Post the study

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think I've found the one I see posted here regularly but did find this

        https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199607043350101

        Look at Table 1 in results. Overall fat free mass increased more for non exercise + steroid group than placebo + exercise

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199607043350101
          >fat free mass
          >600mg of Test E
          I wonder how much of that was absolute bloat, which is also "fat free"

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, now look at the actual methodology.
          That is always the achilles heel of all lifting related studies. Because the academics don't know shit about lifting. So usually what you get is a totally worthless, shitty exercise routine, thus ruining the entire study.
          In this one, it's not entirely clear, but it looks like they only increased the weight used once over the course of 10 weeks.
          So it sounds like all they showed is that roids and no lifting is better than no roids and really shitty lifting.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Low reps promotes hypertrophy (and endurance). They’re all on PEDs, also. And They are lean so they look bigger

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    because MMA isn't about being the strongest, it's about technique primarily and endurance secondarily. plus it is divided into weight categories and in the 170lbs area you're not gonna find many people who can 3pl8 bench, 5pl8 DL, etc.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    2 plates for those manlet divisions wouldn't be bad though? Keep in mind they have to train 5-6 days a week on other shit, bench just isn't that important

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Connor is 190lbs. Those manlet divisions of 155lbs are walking around 180lbs normally. They cut 10-15% of their bodyweight for fight night. It's absurd. They are for all intents and purposes very jacked if you saw them at the gym, but they are dyel tier of lifting

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Conor is not 190 lbs at 5'9
        I hear this type of thing a lot and it's bullshit. Heard the same thing about Anderson Silva. The one time he came to fight at 205, on short notice, and weighed in at a fat 198.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          it'd be more shocking if he wasn't. Dude is big

          Almost all UFC fighters in every weight class have a 2.5X body weight deadlift... FUCK off with your lies. Strength matters.

          https://sweetscienceoffighting.com/strength-standards-for-mma-do-you-have-what-it-takes/

          Watch their workouts dude

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Look at Max Holloway. He is a 145lber. He got called in on short notice for the Poirier fight, and weighted in the 170s.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're a bunch of pussies who think that not strength maxing is the best way take from me 4x world champion brick breaker or the swolverive

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'ma real fighter I could beat the dogshit out of Francis and fuck Jon Jones in the ass after .

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're fucking retards. That's it. Lifting heavy makes you strong and being strong is massively important in fighting. But they are mired in tradition (muh roadwork and pushups) and "my technique is the ultimate weapon I don't need heavy weights" thinking.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where is your champion title?

      Fucking retards man, I don't like Andrew Tate, but he was right in some aspects. A bodybuilder is a coward that wishes to be a fighter

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. All those guys winning UFC titles are retards...
      You know so much more about fighting than them. Anderson Silva should have come to you for advice.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't you're wrong most of them pull 5 plates and squat 4 plates for reps. Pls stop pushing this propaganda...

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Almost all UFC fighters in every weight class have a 2.5X body weight deadlift... FUCK off with your lies. Strength matters.

    https://sweetscienceoffighting.com/strength-standards-for-mma-do-you-have-what-it-takes/

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't see many UFC fighters with bodybuilder proportions for a reason. As a fighter you need a balance of power and mass to be able to make weight in your class.

    Imagine you lift heavy and pack on a shit ton of muscle as an average sized guy looking to fight at Lightweight (155) and coming up to fight week you have a ton of beautiful muscle and super low BF and you're 185. How are you going to cut 30lbs and not put yourself in the hospital?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      These are still the same workouts even for middle/light heavyweight for guys that are for all intents and purposes fucking gigantic. For example paulo costa

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Costa cuts a shit ton of weight and tends to gas out fast as a result. He relies on punching power and faster finishes, but when he fights someone who can neutralize his power with movement, he has trouble (case in point the image you posted).

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have you seen Costa's workouts? The dude is not putting up serious weights for a 210-220lb dude. He's only overhead pressing like 90 to 100 lbs

          [...]
          He does 70 - 80kg on the incline bench for 8
          https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pgjEQM7CpZY

          It's about 225 to 235lbs I'd say which is good, but he's also 190lbs to 200lbs here. Not his 155lbs at weigh in

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those little featurettes they do for events where they show them working out with the voice over are not necessarily representative of their entire program. By the time they film those they're cutting weight and they want them to just lift and do cardio to get them sweating so they can drip in slow mo on camera.

            If they were 1RM for the videos they wouldn't get a lot of usable footage.

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              They'd get more footage showing off their 1RM and people being like holy shit look at this guy benching 300. Notice in all the vids they cut off the weights to show them only benching/pressing like 100lbs lol

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but the footage would be ugly. It would be of them really straining and their faces would not be cool and confident, if they were seriously lifting it would be glamorous.

                Yeah people who know better look at those featurettes and go "Ppsh, he can bench more that that, what the fuck" but most people aren't paying attention to that. Most people don't even know how much the barbell weighs.

                It's all about glamorizing the fighter, showing them looking cool and sweating while they tell their sob story before the walk out.

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    conditioning matters more than strength in a fight, especially the kind of fighting you see in sports like boxing or MMA where the goal isn't exactly to knock out your opponent as fast as possible, but wear them out and win on attrition. If you are matched against an opponent of equal weight, mass means very little.

    There's also a valid argument to be made about fascia and how it can stiffen up if you only train in one plane of movement, leaving you unable to move freely, as is required in fighting sports.

    Moreover, lighter weight stuff done for longer periods of time has been shown to translate to better sports performance, this is known as zone 2 training.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is hypertrophy
    >what is low BF%
    >what is conditioning
    >what is OP's -7iq

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

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