Would training BJJ for a few months be adequate for self defense?

Would training BJJ for a few months be adequate for self defense? Obviously you don't want to get into fights in the first place, and boxing is generally more valuable anyways, but I do not feel comfortable with my lack of grappling knowledge, and BJJ is the most accessible skill to me.

I have decent lifts, 1.5/3/4/6, but strength alone isn't enough.

I don't want to compete, or get a black belt. I just want to learn the basic fundamentals to have the skills in my toolbelt.

Is BJJ a waste of time if you don't plan on competing? Or would it be worth learning the basics for self defense?
If so, I plan on training nogi 2x a week while I continue lifting.

Thanks

tl;dr: is it worth learning the basics of BJJ for self defense despite not wanting to compete? i already lift, i just don't feel "complete"
also, this could raise another question: how much BJJ skill is necessary in order to say you have a practical skillset?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The general idea is white belt is spend learning to get up, blue is learning to subdue untrained opponents, purple belt and beyond is learning to roll with trained opponents.

    That said, bjj is by no means a conplete style and I'd highly suggest you do boxing or muay thai as well.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not Sambo?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why not this niche thing which you most likely wont find outside of an extremely limited geographic area?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        every developed country has at least one Sambo gym per city.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just checked. I live in sydney, ausfailia, approx 20 mins drive to the city centre. There isn't a single sambo gym within an hour drive of me. There are >5 mma gyms in under 15 mins drive.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally the first search results. You must be trolling or a retard.
            https://sgskravmaga.com.au/product/sambo-classes-sydney/

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                30km in a hour? Seriously? I unironically do that on my bike. Are you riding in reverse or wait for traffic jam?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nobody trains sambo because its worse than judo or bjj

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At one point fedor was the number 3 ranked judoka in russia and then switched to sambo from there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Haha fag, I live in Brisbane and there are two Sambo places within 10 minutes. Sick shit NSW gay

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do boxing and judo. Feel free to swap boxing with thai.

    The last place you want to be in a fight is on the ground and judo helps with that. It also has some simple ground defense, so you'll be fine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Contrary to common belief this is known at competent bjj gyms, which is why the focus for while belts is creating space, escape, position and getting up.

      I'd personally favour judo over bjj but more due to the fact that, in my experience, judo has an even split in time spent on standing and ground.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't understand this misconception about BJJ that you'll get stuck on the ground if you do it. Literally half of bjj is working your way out of shitty positions on the ground.

        Judo is pretty good though.

        What people fail to mention when shitting on BJJ for self defense is that it allows you to get out of bottom position and back to your feet if the fight were forced to the ground for any reason. In that regard its better than judo imo

        >I don't understand this misconception about BJJ that you'll get stuck on the ground if you do it. Literally half of bjj is working your way out of shitty positions on the ground.

        Well BJJ also assumes you're fighting one opponent. Hence why judo is superior.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If multiple attackers are your main concern, boxing + parkour is the only truly viable option. Judo isn't exactly the best at minimising exposure time and maintaining mobility either, no grappling really is because you must commit to grab your opponent.
          Of course, if you end up grappling while standing up and take a guy out with judo without going to the ground, that's great. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT WANT TO GRAPPLE WITH MULTIPLE GUYS AT ALL.

          If you do end up getting knocked to the ground and you can drown some guy down there with BJJ, that's also good and useful. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT WANT TO GRAPPLE VS MULTIPLE GUYS AT ALL
          The only grappling that even adresses multiple attackers is aikido and that has no chance of working unless you've trained BJJ or Judo before and are holding a knife.

          My advice would be start with either bjj or judo. Get decent at it and then check out the other one. They complete each other pretty well.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bjj and judo are the same martial art, just different rulesets, I’m a huge fanboy of early kodokan judo and that is what I claim to learn, brazilian jujutsu is the brazilian style of kano jujutsu which is what judo was called outside of japan until around late 1920s (in japan the term judo was around as early as 1905 maybe earlier) your guys argue if one is better than the other but they are the same art but different sports. Bjj is more judo than olympic judo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What people fail to mention when shitting on BJJ for self defense is that it allows you to get out of bottom position and back to your feet if the fight were forced to the ground for any reason. In that regard its better than judo imo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand this misconception about BJJ that you'll get stuck on the ground if you do it. Literally half of bjj is working your way out of shitty positions on the ground.

      Judo is pretty good though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Am doing judo, want to do muay Thai as well. Will I learn at a decent rate if I can only do Thai 2 times per week?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you dont wanna be pro fighter 2x a week is good enough
        of course must be quality training

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Up to you. If you could only train one sport, just do judo.

        Most fights are all about getting someone to the floor and overpowering them. The other stuff comes naturally.

        Thai 2x a week will teach you the basics about striking which is good enough for 99% of the situations you'll be in.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people who will fight you outside of competition are going to do the universal method aka drunk hands aka left and right hook over and over. It's worth getting gud at boxing because basically everyone is going to box you. And even if you try to whip out some bjj moves you're still probably going to get hit trying to get the clench.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here, would some basic nogi submissions + general wrestling skills + basic boxing cover all my technical requirements?
    Of course you can't beat a knife or a gun, but lifting feels useless without any fighting ability. I don't care how long it takes, I need to develop my skillset.

    I assume that training nogi BJJ and boxing should cover my bases, corect?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Should be fine. For self defense I would recommend some gi work too, especially if you live in a colder climate. There are some fantastic strangles and takedowns that can be done using a jacket or a shirt, and even an untrained guy will know how to grab your clothes and gi bjj will teach you how to deal with that.
      Also carry a pepper spray or a combat flashlight or both.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      literally 6 months of bjj training is all you need to ROFLSTOMP untrained opponents if you are significantly stronger than them. Just learn the big no-nos, learn simple submissions (rear naked, armbar, triangle etc) and learn how to shoot a double leg, sprawl and get up.
      The boxing is just extra, the only time you should actually be fighting is in a 1v1 and that's when grappling completely and utterly neutralises all striking that isnt beyond amateur level.

      >bjj is not exactly good for self defense agains armed oponents or multiple oponents
      That is true for literally every style. Stopped reading there.

      clearly staying on your feet is the way to go if youre fighting multiple people for whatever reason, practically every submission in bjj happens on the ground and takes several seconds between locking it in and doing enough damage to take someone out of the fight, if you're an insanely talented striker you can stay on your feet and hit chins one by one.
      grappling is WAY superior for 1v1s which are the only fights you should be taking and striking is WAY superior for 1v(n+1) which you really shouldnt be doing anyway but I guess if youre a moron or have moron friends you could end up involved in a bar brawl or something, I dont know, dont be a moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you see a weapon , run- every time.
      If you can access that the person you're defending yourself is not armed then yes that basic skill set will give you an advantage over the average person just keep in mind that anything can happen in a confrontation who fucking knows; they could pull a gun out of their waistband when you have them mounted. Best thing to do is walk away unless you are literally given no choice.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Please never knife fight
      Cardio >>> strength not like strength isn't important but cardio often makes the difference.
      Fast twitch/explosive power >>> whatever
      Wrestling isn't majorly important unless you're fighting a wrestler, enough of it is part of the martial arts ITT. Box to learn how to guard yourself and not get slapped up by someone literally flailing randomly. Other essential skills
      >escape/swap from guard
      >hip throw
      >at least one arm bar and one leg bar
      >various blood chokes
      >proper grips
      My background is something closest to sambo I did in the army. By far most of the times I get caught slipping has been to a superior boxer. Most people are not going to know anything else but it's good to have in your back pocket.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    been doing bjj for nearly 8 years now.
    bjj is not exactly good for self defense agains armed oponents or multiple oponents, which is sadly the majority of real life situations, so keep that in mind. it is, however, an excelent, if not the best, martial art to go on 1vs1 against unarmed oponent.
    there's some people that are natural at it, and in a few months they became beasts of the sport, but for the vast majority, bjj has a slow and steep learning curve. sure, you can be strong and toy with white belts with little to no technique, but that's about it. you really never stop learning the basics, as every single roll is different in some way or another; diferent positions, diferent bodys, different strenghts, and so on..
    if you want to practice bjj just for shit and giggles, by all means go for it, and maybe you'll stick with it since it's very addictive although not for everyone. if you want to practice because you want to learn, keep in mind the road is hard and never ending, but it can be very fulfilling.
    for self defense as you're describing, i'd suggest you look into judo and/or boxing/muay thai

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bjj is not exactly good for self defense agains armed oponents or multiple oponents
      That is true for literally every style. Stopped reading there.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        whatever, i really don't give a shit about your opinion. i'm trying to guide op the best i can, while you are a sour little whiny bitch.
        come at me.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you can tell these guys have never been in a fight before.

          The last place you want to be is on the ground when you're up against 2+ people.

          Luckily i haven't been on the receiving end of that, but I have caught people lacking with my homies

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you are a moron

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah. I am. You mad bro?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                reflect on why it was so obvious, smelly no good coon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol nice poem. I like.

                If multiple attackers are your main concern, boxing + parkour is the only truly viable option. Judo isn't exactly the best at minimising exposure time and maintaining mobility either, no grappling really is because you must commit to grab your opponent.
                Of course, if you end up grappling while standing up and take a guy out with judo without going to the ground, that's great. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT WANT TO GRAPPLE WITH MULTIPLE GUYS AT ALL.

                If you do end up getting knocked to the ground and you can drown some guy down there with BJJ, that's also good and useful. BUT YOU SHOULD NOT WANT TO GRAPPLE VS MULTIPLE GUYS AT ALL
                The only grappling that even adresses multiple attackers is aikido and that has no chance of working unless you've trained BJJ or Judo before and are holding a knife.

                My advice would be start with either bjj or judo. Get decent at it and then check out the other one. They complete each other pretty well.

                Bro you just exposed yourself for never being in a fight before. I've had times when I'm fighting one person and a chair comes flying at my face.

                The last place you want to be is on the ground when that happens. So BJJ is cool, but if you really want to plan for everything, Judo is the only option.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uhuh, do tell about the great chair neutralisation tech. Let me guess, you uchimata the other guy into the chair, right?
                As a matter of fact I've been in a 2v1 fight last summer. I 1-2ed (boxing) the guy in front of me and dashed under his arm to get the fuck away from the guy who was trying to grab me from behind, then just fucking ran (not even parkour, all I do is run for cardio). I've had judo experience at that time but guess what I'm not going to start looking for grips on a heavier guy who's swinging at me when there's another guy moving in to take my back, because I'm not fucking retarded. Judo is good but you're clearly just a fanatic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol i just ate it with my head. Got a scar on my face from it. I honestly don't know how it didn't hurt.

                Either way, I'm just giving OP advice on where he should spend his time. IMO if he could only train one sport, judo is better than boxing/muay thai.

                Cause most fights is all about picking someone up and throwing them to the floor. The rest comes natural.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have been doing BJJ for 8 years.
    I have used it for self defense purposes against strong "tough" untrained persons,
    I was easily and safely able to protect myself and deescalate the situations.
    A couple months of training will give you a significant advantage over someone who has zero grappling experience if they're relative in size / strength to you.
    A few months of training against a tough dude who is very big and strong really wont do much unless you get lucky and are able to throw hooks/RNC in on his back during a scramble which I wouldn't bet the farm on.
    It is absolutely not a waste of time to train if you don't plan on competing, most people who train don't compete & 2x a week is perfect to start out with, If you're having fun throw in a few more sessions.
    Look for a gym that offers wrestling / nogi.
    Knowing how to wrestle is huge for self defense and grappling in general.
    You need to know how to properly take someone down to apply BJJ techniques.
    I ended up starting basically for the same reasons you did and fell in love with it and never stopped, It's a great hobby for men and most serious BJJ guys are all pretty based; you'll make friends along the way.
    Just make sure you pick the right gym.
    There is a good amount of normie fag catered gyms; Look for something where the head instructor has accomplished something relatively big in terms of competition.(has won competitions- IBJJF's, competed in ADCC/ Trails, collegiate wrestling)
    Good luck OP and have fun.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      as oposed to weight lifters who will flex instead? what's your end game here?

      this is a very bad attempt at trolling a comfy thread about advise op. you should be ashamed

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what's your end game here?
        get a gun or a knife or both, self defense is hardly going to be self defense if all you plan on using is your body

        you could literally be in a 1 on 1 fight with a random pedestrian (even though they will gang on you in 99% of the real situations) they can and probably will just grab a stone, grab some traffic cone, grab a bottle from the trash, grab literally anything and smack you in the head with it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a terrible idea for someone untrained to carry a knife though, unless you're unironically ready to kill your neighbors or something but then you're kinda fucked in the head.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            even if you are trained, when youuse a knife you must be prepared to kill

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's a terrible idea for someone untrained to carry a knife though
            you don't need training for a knife, its a sharp pointy piece of metal and that's it, if you're that scared of killing someone just place your thumb on the side of the blade to limit how deep the stab might be

            >unless you're unironically ready to kill your neighbors or something
            only if they attack me first

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/y7c0Hrf.jpg

      Would training BJJ for a few months be adequate for self defense? Obviously you don't want to get into fights in the first place, and boxing is generally more valuable anyways, but I do not feel comfortable with my lack of grappling knowledge, and BJJ is the most accessible skill to me.

      I have decent lifts, 1.5/3/4/6, but strength alone isn't enough.

      I don't want to compete, or get a black belt. I just want to learn the basic fundamentals to have the skills in my toolbelt.

      Is BJJ a waste of time if you don't plan on competing? Or would it be worth learning the basics for self defense?
      If so, I plan on training nogi 2x a week while I continue lifting.

      Thanks

      tl;dr: is it worth learning the basics of BJJ for self defense despite not wanting to compete? i already lift, i just don't feel "complete"
      also, this could raise another question: how much BJJ skill is necessary in order to say you have a practical skillset?

      as oposed to weight lifters who will flex instead? what's your end game here?

      this is a very bad attempt at trolling a comfy thread about advise op. you should be ashamed

      I've posted this many times but I'll do it again. BJJ is ONLY a 1v1 technique. It has its place, but as a sole self defense practice it's severely lacking. Particularly if you face more than one opponent or potentially more than one

      Wrestling has trained armies for millenia. Its not the exact moves but the habits formed. Such as staying on your feet and keeping your hips under you. This is what you need in a street fight/ war prior to firearms.

      Lastly, train to strike but use open palms like Bas Rutten. It's safer for your hands, and you look defensive/non aggressive when in your stance (which helps legally too as well as confusing to your opponent)

      Anyone who pushes BJJ as the best technique is post in the world of MMA and not real life. MMA is a highly controlled situation and not translateable for the average newbie. Bjj became one of thr most effective 1v1 techniques on the planet, but otherwise it's not useful generally.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BJJ is ONLY a 1v1 technique. It has its place, but as a sole self defense practice it's severely lacking. Particularly if you face more than one opponent or potentially more than one
        yes
        >Wrestling has trained armies for millenia
        no
        >Such as staying on your feet and keeping your hips under you. This is what you need in a street fight
        yes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if you face more than one opponent
        NO martial art will save you

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there was this one called
          what was it uhh

          sprinting

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not a martial art

            although, i know what you meant and this is the correct answer/solution

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bas Rutten says to only use open palms if you are untrained, he did it because that was the rule of the competition, he says since he is accurate enough to not hit his on the hard parts of the skull then he just uses closed fist. Plus in sports nowadays you have gloves to protect the hands

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm ngl bros, i never trained any grappling at all, but i did watch UFC for 4 years before i started training, and i unironically learned a LOT of bjj & wrestling skills just from studying MMA
    i am IST and i did muay thai so i'm used to fighting & i'm strong
    with raw strength and the basic technique that i learned just from watching MMA, i managed to hold my own and stay competitive against the blue belts at my gym on my very first day
    of course i was nowhere near an expert, but i truly learned skills just from watching MMA, it was kind of hilarious

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You must be strong, post lifts

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you want real /self defense/ get an 1800 lumin compact flashlight, minimum.
    Practice turning it on and getting away from where you are.
    This unironically will help in a wider variety of situations than a gun.
    Of course get a gun as well if it's possible.
    To answer your question OP.
    If you diligently go for a few months you'll be able to kick complete nooblets asses if you have a straight 1v1.
    Be advised you don't ever want to go on the ground if you can prevent it.

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