You can't convince me I need to eat 200g of protein a day to gain muscle.

You can't convince me I need to eat 200g of protein a day to gain muscle.
Doesn't make sense at all that anybody would need to eat more than a couple chicken breasts a day to gain muscle.
I mean, fuck, muscle is gained very slowly, and the amount of protein your body needs to maintain itself can't be more 1 chicken breast a day.

2g of protein per 1kg of bodyweight sounds like total broscience anyways.
It's way too convenient that nature worked our daily bodily macros as whole metric numbers instead of something like 1.2123123478935g protein per 0.843828924 kg of lean mass squared (after subtracting bones and organs) / height in cm * 1.35235263.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's around 1 gram of protein depending on how much you weigh anon. Don't be a complete autismo about it, just get your brotein and keep liftan.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s 0.8-1g per lb of LEAN bodymass.

      That still means I need to eat almost half a kg of chicken breast a day
      I highly doubt our ancestors had access to this much protein on a daily basis
      That's a lot of fucking chicken

      it's for optimal growth bro
      you can still grow with less

      your ancestors had a liftetime of physical activity starting at childhood, and vegetables and the animals they consumed were more nutritious, and their hormones were unaffected by microplastics, etc.

      Your ancestors weren't as big as your instagram body builders that you want to look like. 1.6-2.2g/kg/bw is just a rough estimate. Eat the protein and gain size or don't and be a fucking whiny gay like you already are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >roids? whats that? just wake up at 4 am and eat your protein after you do your 4000 pushups

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s 0.8-1g per lb of LEAN bodymass.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That still means I need to eat almost half a kg of chicken breast a day
      I highly doubt our ancestors had access to this much protein on a daily basis
      That's a lot of fucking chicken

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's for optimal growth bro
        you can still grow with less

        your ancestors had a liftetime of physical activity starting at childhood, and vegetables and the animals they consumed were more nutritious, and their hormones were unaffected by microplastics, etc.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >vegetables
          Only exist for like 5000 years.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Your ancestors weren't as big as your instagram body builders that you want to look like. 1.6-2.2g/kg/bw is just a rough estimate. Eat the protein and gain size or don't and be a fucking whiny gay like you already are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Your ancestors also weren't big AF unless they were Vikings or farmers that indeed ate a lot of food, just look at how tribesmen look, that's the closest thing your ancestors looked like

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "Almost half a kg" is like a pound. That's nothing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Your ancestors weren't bodybuilding you retard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Is that really true though? There is a reason we have the potential to get swole af.
          I firmly believe in swole caveman theory

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In the 1800s there were literally millions of Buffalo roaming the plains. You could take a train and see an endless ocean of them from almost the stretch of the East coast to the West coast. They were so common that people used to kill them and eat only the tongue because that was their favorite part. The same goes for basically the entirety of the rest of the world before dumb fuck humans started killing everything in sight and grew to such a massive population that they took over the world. So yes, our ancestors most certainly had more meat than they knew what to do with. They had so much goddamned food that their lives were a cakewalk unless they got bit by a rattlesnake or some shit. Food scarcity in early ancestors is a modern made up fairy tale. Pretty much every tribe that has ever existed before we started fucking the ecosystem up also talks about the boundless abundance of food in their mythos.

        Literally all of humanity's problems are caused by humanity

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >1.2123123478935g protein per 0.843828924 kg of lean mass

    The average /fit users' math comprehension

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You need 0.8g/lb of LEAN body mass.

    I hit [email protected]% and barely broke 200g/day at my absolute peak

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You an average 160 pound man right at 15% body fat. So let's estimate you got 50 lbs of muscle just for shits and giggles. Go take some protein powder and throw 200g of the powder on a scale for visualization purposes. Then think about it again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So let's estimate you got 50 lbs of muscle just for shits and giggles. Go take some protein powder and throw 200g of the powder on a scale for visualization purposes. Then think about it again.
      Not even OP but this is a really stupid way of thinking about it.
      Out of 50lb of "muscle mass" perhaps 40lbs of it is water.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the problem is gaining a significant amount of muscle past puberty is pretty unnatural and requires unnatural diet and exercise modalities. The science autists pretty much nailed it down to like 1.8g per kg or 0.8g per lb which is around 22% of calories at maintenance. So even still the amount is not like insanely outside the realm of natural but the consistency it's applied with is.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pocari Sweat already tastes like piss

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it doesn’t unless you have anime girl pee

  8. 1 month ago
    I love Women

    >2g of protein per 1kg of bodyweight sounds like total broscience anyways.
    it literally is. they could never replicate a stable positive effect north of I think 0,5g per kg. the whole more protein more muscle logic is retarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is just straight up wrong.
      There are (for most people) no positive effects when you go above 2.2g per kg.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Couple of chicken breasts are 50-60 grams of protein how is that enough

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your body requires protein to simply be healthy. You need an excess if you want to build muscle, especially optimally. the 1g protein per lb lbm is the amount of protein intake required if you want to consume as much protein as your body can use to gain muscle, because there's a limit to how fast it can.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You can't convince me I need to eat 200g of protein a day to gain muscle.
    It's been rigorously studied.

    To maintain, a 6 foot 180 lbs male would only need around 35 grams of protein a day. To build muscle optimally, it's 2.5x that. So around 90 grams a day.

    90 grams is incredibly easy to get with just normal foods. But you must also understand that EVERYTHING in America is a scam, so the vast majority of bodybuilders here have been conned into think they need triple the protein, which conveniently lines the pockets of supplement companies and the meat+dairy industry.

    Also damages their kidneys and causes kidney failure in the long run, but America was always a sociopathic entity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also damages their kidneys and causes kidney failure in the long run

      lmao, even though the rest of what you said was completely retarded, you managed to one up yourself again

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Everything I said is factual and proven in countless double blind studies.

        You fell for the 1g/lb meme, which was always bullshit to sell you supplements. You do have kidney damage and it will contribute to your early death.

        Now go whine to somebody who cares.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, prove that a 1g protein per lb bw intake causes kidney damage. Show me the studies right now.

          You can show me them, can't you? More than just one study?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I knew you couldn't prove it. The reason is that saying high protein causes kidnety damage is like saying walking can cause a lot of damage to ankle joints. Except in the study they only studied walking for people that had already broken ankles, and walking on the broken ankles caused even more damage.

            If your kidneys are in good health, they have absolutely no problem even with abnormally high protein intake, (2g+ per lb bw).

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32669325/
            "High dietary protein intake can cause intraglomerular hypertension, which may result in kidney hyperfiltration, glomerular injury, and proteinuria. It is possible that long-term high protein intake may lead to de novo CKD."
            https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/126929/
            "The adverse effects associated with long-term high protein/high meat intake in humans were (a) disorders of bone and calcium homeostasis, (b) disorders of renal function, (c) increased cancer risk, (d) disorders of liver function, and (e) precipitated progression of coronary artery disease."
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3730112/

            >If your kidneys are in good health, they have absolutely no problem even with abnormally high protein intake, (2g+ per lb bw)
            Everyone in the West has kidney damage from thimerosal in childhood vaccinations. Ruby-chan.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Everyone in the West has kidney damage from thimerosal in childhood vaccinations. Ruby-chan.

              Thanks for proving my point you fuking idiot. Healthy people have no issues with high protein intake. Imagine being this fucking retarded.

              First source:
              >Although high-protein diets continue to be popular for weight loss and type 2 diabetes, evidence suggests that worsening renal function may occur in individuals with-and perhaps without-impaired kidney function.
              >"Perhaps without"
              >Using a source that only says it might cause it

              Second source:
              >"In another study, healthy subjects with a history of renal stones fed on a low (LPD) and a high (HPD) animal protein diet; after 2 weeks it was found that high dietary intake of purine-rich animal protein had an impact on urinary urate excretion and supersaturation in renal stone disease "
              >"With a history of renal stones"

              >On the other hand, several scientists claim that the overuse of protein supplements or high dietary protein intake could cause disorders to human health
              >"Several scientists"

              >"The results showed that high total protein intake, particularly high intake of nondairy animal protein, may accelerate renal function decline in women with mild renal insufficiency"
              >"With mild renal insufficiency"
              As I stated already

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Healthy people have no issues with high protein intake
                People with healthy kidneys have no problem, in SOME of the studies done on the subject.

                Nobody has healthy kidneys. Dr. Richard Jensen has estimated that over 90% of Westerners have kidney damage. Over half of which have caused significantly impaired function.

                Kidney disease isn't usually diagnosed until you're already at 1/3 of your normal function, however.

                >the rest of your post
                A bunch of cope. You will get kidney disease if you eat a high protein diet. Esp. from animal sources.

                >REEEE ReeEeEEeeEEEEEEeee
                I don't care. Move along

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody has healthy kidneys. Dr. Richard Jensen has estimated that over 90% of Westerners have kidney damage. Over half of which have caused significantly impaired function.
                So basically I'm still right? It only matters to people with kidney damage? Plus one doctor estimated it do it much be true?

                >REEEE ReeEeEEeeEEEEEEeee
                >I don't care. Move along

                lmao, complete cope reply. You're just mad I used your own sources to discredit you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So basically I'm still right? It only matters to people with kidney damage?
                If 90% have kidney damage then 90% will get assraped by kidney disease from protein consumption.

                >You're just mad I used your own sources to discredit you.
                Nah. I could explain to you epidemiology and why you need to critically analyze what most researchers say. A lot of it is legalese to protect their asses from being sued or having their careers destroyed. Fucking with the big 4 companies that own 80% of meat production in the USA is career suicide.

                But explaining that nuance is wasted on a mentally ill mulatto like yourself who pretends he's a woman.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are making a mistake of logic, let’s assume Dr. Jensen is right that 90% have some kidney damage. In the studies they still find only people with kidney damage by the current standards, not by Dr. Jensens standards have problems with protein intake. Imagine it’s like this (using hypotheticals). Current standards say less than 50% is damaged kidneys, Dr Jensen says less than 95% is damaged. Studies show that people with no damage in the current standards have no issue with protein. This shows that people with 50%+ function can take the protein, not people with no damage in general. So Jensen’s estimation is irrelevant because his standards aren’t the ones used in the study.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Jensen’s estimation is irrelevant
                Look him up and read his actual work. He is working by official diagnoses. The issue of kidney disease is that it's criminally underdiagnosed.

                And he points out that once you start getting to around 60% filtration, excessive proteins begin to build up. Especially animal proteins because they have uric acid and high creatinine. It also goes hand in hand with impaired liver function which also suffers from these issues. There's a reason a lot of people today have to eat extremely restrictive diets, it's because their organs are damaged and they cannot effectively filter out all the harmful substances anymore. This is caused by childhood vaccinations, particularly mercury in the vaccines, but nobody wants to address that so many people are going to die of kidney disease and many other issues.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Healthy people have no issues with high protein intake.

                just 40 years ago, healthy ALT levels were 25 or less. Now it's 49 or less. Hypertension was also not as strictly diagnosed as it is today since people were able to have higher blood pressures without suffering things like kidney issues from it.

                The majority of the population is unhealthy at baseline, and I mean like 90-95% of people are metabolically unhealthy.

                I can almost guarantee that you would not be classified as a healthy person if your labs were scrutinized.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The majority of the population is unhealthy at baseline, and I mean like 90-95% of people are metabolically unhealthy.
                Any sources to back that up? Or are you just gonna claim a random doctor said so? Plus very minor liver issues has nothing to do with kidney function or high protein intake.

                And I've had labs done, in face I'm about to have several blood tests taken for a pinch nerve issue I'm having to make sure it's nothing else, which includes Full blood count, HbA1c, TFT's, TSH, B12, Folic, Vit D, Bone, LFT, U&E, and CRP, and last time I had most of those checked I was fin, besides elevated blood count. So unless you're about to say that a single marker that's outside of being healthy proves your point that 95% of people are unhealthy, then I don't know what to tell you. And if you do say that, you're retarded, because it doesn't matter if someone has a Folic acid level that's slightly too high or low when it comes to high protein intake and kidney function.

                >So basically I'm still right? It only matters to people with kidney damage?
                If 90% have kidney damage then 90% will get assraped by kidney disease from protein consumption.

                >You're just mad I used your own sources to discredit you.
                Nah. I could explain to you epidemiology and why you need to critically analyze what most researchers say. A lot of it is legalese to protect their asses from being sued or having their careers destroyed. Fucking with the big 4 companies that own 80% of meat production in the USA is career suicide.

                But explaining that nuance is wasted on a mentally ill mulatto like yourself who pretends he's a woman.

                Still mad lmao, and conveniently missing the part where it was just one guy that estimated, not even proven.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Still mad lmao, and conveniently missing the part where it was just one guy that estimated, not even proven.
                Anon above is right. People are fucked up as a baseline.

                It is unhealthy to have any gut at all. Yet 95% of people carry a big stomach pouch, just signalling they are physically and mentally unwell.

                Look up Weston Price's work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The liver and kidneys can sustain a lot of damage before you have issues with them. As has been previously stated, you aren't diagnosed with liver or kidney problems until they are severely damaged.

                The fact that you don't readily see the connection between the kidneys and the liver shows that you don't exactly have all the relevant information that's being discussed here. The pancreas is the other organ of interest here as well.

                As far as bringing up what certain doctors are saying, you do realize that the chief science officer of the american diabetes association was a paid consultant by the largest candy companies in the world right? It also took until 2018 for their dietary guidelines to mention restricting carbs for diabetics.

                If you're trying to tailor your argument from an authority standpoint, many of the medical associations that exist today are infiltrated by special interests and to rely on them for information is a mistake.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Still mad lmao
                You seem to have this fantasy not based in reality so I'll let you have it. Never interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Never interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake.
                HOLY SHIT THE LARP LMAO, ARE YOU FUCKING SUN TZU OR SOMETHING LMAO IT'S A DEBATE ON KIDNEY FUNCTION AND HIGH PROTEIN LMAO

                The liver and kidneys can sustain a lot of damage before you have issues with them. As has been previously stated, you aren't diagnosed with liver or kidney problems until they are severely damaged.

                The fact that you don't readily see the connection between the kidneys and the liver shows that you don't exactly have all the relevant information that's being discussed here. The pancreas is the other organ of interest here as well.

                As far as bringing up what certain doctors are saying, you do realize that the chief science officer of the american diabetes association was a paid consultant by the largest candy companies in the world right? It also took until 2018 for their dietary guidelines to mention restricting carbs for diabetics.

                If you're trying to tailor your argument from an authority standpoint, many of the medical associations that exist today are infiltrated by special interests and to rely on them for information is a mistake.

                >many of the medical associations that exist today are infiltrated by special interests and to rely on them for information is a mistake.
                Let me guess, all 'their' medical associations are infiltrated by globalist shills and all 'your' medical associations are run solely by honest hardworking Americans who would never hold any bias in their work?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >'your' medical associations are run solely by honest hardworking Americans

                most of the doctors that are whistleblowing are not apart of any medical associations as a result of their whistleblowing and they also do this at great peril to their career, some doctors in australia have been stripped of their medical licenses because they tried to treat diabetes with a low carb diet.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You know what, fuck the rest of this. Post body or shut the fuck up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Thought as much. Typical DYEL beliefs from a DYEL poster.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >this assmad over getting asked to post body
                Yikes my man.

              • 1 month ago
                Not him

                >this assmad over getting asked to post body
                Yikes my man.

                Post body.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Good work confirming you're a LARPing obese chud

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

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                >First result about a roid website

                Nice larp moron gay
                Kys

                That was me who posted on there you droids

                keep coping

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >gets caught frauding
                >doubles down
                >no timestamp

                Subhuman

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Prove it or GTFO

                There you go bitch boys

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OP BTFO

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nice aesthetics, you're still going to get kidney disease + likely heart failure from the steroid abuse

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Use is not abuse. I run try level doses as I had naturally low but in normal level levels, and knew there was no chance I'd get prescribed Tet at my age even with symptoms so I just brew and run it myself with RAWS from reputable suppliers so I know it ain't bunk.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Also you're still DYEL.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nikocado is 30 years old and millionaire meanwhile zyzz died at 20 in a sauna

                so who really won in the end?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nikocado is constantly leaking shit out of his asshole

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I guess you are right, being mentally ill, morbidly obese and having shit constantly leaking out of you sure seems like a life worth living

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, especially compared to someone who has a worldwide following of people that love them and had great advice to others about improving themselves as they themselves came from a very insecure place that many can relate to.

                And the only reason they died was cause they were really abusing drugs, compared to many other professional bodybuilders that are still living well into their 60's+

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >being mentally ill, morbidly obese and having shit constantly leaking out of you sure seems like a life worth living
                I'm glad you see things my way 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Prove it or GTFO

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Google image search
                >First result about a roid website

                Nice larp moron gay
                Kys

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Third source
              >"The evaluation of the association between protein and renal function based on GFR is based on two prospective cohort studies (11, 60), both quality graded as C, and two short-term intervention studies (9, 61), both quality graded as B."
              Crap sources - C means "Suggestive, no conclusion", B means "probable".

              >Regarding the associations between protein kidney function and kidney stones, the evidence is regarded as inconclusive. EFSA also found the available evidence insufficient to derive an upper level of protein intake based on protein and kidney function (5). But our systematic review calls for reflection. The two included experimental studies (9, 61) found that an HP intake corresponding to ca. 2 g/kg BW compared to ca. 1 g/kg BW increased GFR among young participants, but this association was not confirmed by the two cohort studies
              One more study that was debunked by two more

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The evidence is assessed as inconclusive regarding the relation of protein to renal function based on microalbuminuria

              >The evidence is assessed as inconclusive regarding the relation of protein to renal function based on GFR

              >In a 7-year prospective cohort study among healthy individuals, Halbesma et al. (11) found no association between protein intake and decline in GFR, as estimated from plasma creatinine (eGFR). The cohort was separated into two groups according to 24-h urinary albumin ≥ or<10 mg/day. In the Nurses’ Health Study with 11-year follow-up among healthy women, Knight et al. (60) also found no association between protein intake and decline in eGFR in participants with a normal eGFR at baseline. Among women with mild kidney insufficiency at baseline, the decline in GFR was related to protein intake, significant also for non-dairy protein intake.
              Only decline was in those with mild kidney insufficiency, no decline in those with healthy kidneys.

              >The evaluation of the association between protein and risk of kidney stones is based on two 8- or 10-year prospective cohort studies (64, 65), both quality graded as C (see Appendix C, Table C14). Overall, there was no association between protein intake and kidney stone formation.
              Your own source once again saying you're wrong.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              false
              Check out Ted Naiman's twitter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >listen to a garden gnome who takes steroids and sells supplements
                Unfortunately my IQ is over 90 so I don't follow those sorts.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I knew you couldn't prove it. The reason is that saying high protein causes kidnety damage is like saying walking can cause a lot of damage to ankle joints. Except in the study they only studied walking for people that had already broken ankles, and walking on the broken ankles caused even more damage.

          If your kidneys are in good health, they have absolutely no problem even with abnormally high protein intake, (2g+ per lb bw).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You failed to say that the damage only occurs in already damaged kidneys.
      But to keep it simple for everybody, getting at least 120 g of protein is safe and easy to do.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok. Go to website

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP will not post a time stamped pic showing he even lifts because he is too busy reading gay journals to train.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    0.82g per 1lb of lean body mass maximum

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go to post #10. There are some snippets from various studies. This is from 2013 though. I don't know if there's been a recent study done about this subject.

    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156233713

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    okay
    have a nice life

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You can't convince me I need to eat 200g of protein a day to gain muscle.
    good stay dyel then

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If she was already drinking sweat, I don’t see the big deal.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I eat half a kilo of chicken breast because its yummy especially when slathered in bbq sauce

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >on my way to gym
    >forgot to toss my graphing calculator in my gym bag
    >turn around to get it
    >get to gym
    >do my workout
    >weigh myself
    >forgot to take a shit first
    >take a shit and make sure to finger my butthole with toilet paper so no residual shit will throw off my equation
    >sweat will mess up my equation as well
    >stand in the locker room completely naked until sweat air dries
    >scale says 121.6 lbs in inferior imperial units
    >gym scale doesn't go down to milligrams
    >fuck I guess I'll have to ballpark my weight
    >have a stored function on my TI-83+ to calculate 1.2123123478935g protein per 0.843828924 kg and automatically subtract out my bones and organs weight
    >grab kitchen scale out of my gym bag and proceed to measure precise protein amount

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw I forgot to account for humidity and local barometric pressure when measuring out my protein on a triple beam scale
      FUCK

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it is bullshit and an ounce of critical thought dismantles the whole thing

    i remember when I was eating around 60g of protein a day and doing hill climbs/sprints on my bike and putting on leg muscle
    the protein doesnt just float away lile smoke and as long as you have calories to repair it then protein requirements are low

    calories ≥ protein

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Been eating 90/100g per day and making consistent gains. Most people can get away with less than 1g per kg of bw

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