Can you transport some of these bacteria into yourself without permanently fricking up the balance of your digestive system? or just getting them killed by your antibodies or whatever.
Yeah now just imagine how strong one of those fricking things would be with SS + GOMAD / Texas Method
It's what separates the apes from the men, gorillas are fricking dumb
In seriousness, I love to point to silverback gorillas whenever somebody tells me genetic don't matter.
Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us, they just have high strength requirements for short, fast periods of tree-climbing + millions of years of natural selection.
>I wish I could be that jacked just eating grass.
I don't. They can be so strong because they have no dexterity in their muscles, humans are weak because we dexx-maxxed
Ever saw a chimp/pongo using tools? They're almost disabled compared to us
That's a fair point. Chimps (and quadrupeds in general) are also terrible at long-range locomotion. A barely trained human can mog pretty much any monkey over long distances.
>A barely trained human can mog pretty much any monkey over long distances.
A barely trained human can mog pretty much any animal over long distances, it's one half of the human hunting strategy (the other half is intelligently organized violence)
What do you mean people didn't run for hours in the heat to kill a large animal then carry the carcass back home, in deserts where they don't have a reliable source of water?
>barely trained human can mog pretty much any animal over long distances,
Dumb stupid meme. It isn't true.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61773202 >A runner has won the man v horse event for only the third time since the competition began in 1980.
>Runner Ricky Lightfoot received £3,500 after beating the first horse by more than two minutes on a 22.5 mile (36km) course in Llanwrtyd Wells, Powys.
>He came out on top of 1,000 runners and 50 horses with a time of 2:22:23.
In 42 years, elite athletes have raced against horses in a cross-country marathon, and this year, for only the 3rd time, a human has won.
He said "pretty much any animal", he did not say "every single animal, including one animal that has been most specifically chosen for, bred for and trained for long distance travelling throughout history".
2 years ago
Anonymous
>finds horse of all animals out there, a creature bred by humans to endure long distances, to prove humans can't mog animals
k3k
You're welcome to post examples of humans racing other animals.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My dog is way faster than me but I have more endurance when we're playing. By the time she's totally exhausted I can still run around, especially if I rest a couple minutes. It takes her a while to recover from playing. Although usually she's running way more than I am, so I don't think it's a great comparison.
Anyway, endurance hunting is usually done only by the stupidest people who can't use tools or herding tactics or things like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sure I'll just refer to some of the latest human vs animal long-distance racings events and... oh wait. No such events exist because you can't just tell a cow let's have a race. If they did, humans would be expected to win however.
I find it ironic how he is using that exact same example that you're somehow trying to use to show humans are bad at long-distance running compared to other animals to show show how good humans are at long-distance running compared to other animals.
Keep in mind also that humans can go a lot more than a marathon in a day. In a marathon you are expected to run or jog the entire way, however humans can easily walk for much longer, "ultra marathons" go up to 100 miles.
If you've ever observed dogs (which are another of the few contenders other than horses for matching humans) then sure they can run and run what seems like forever and a lot faster than humans too, it seems like humans would have no hope. But after like an hour of constant running, they're completely done for the day, not able to walk around anymore they only want to sleep. Humans can keep going, they will plod on and on and on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But after like an hour of constant running, they're completely done for the day, not able to walk around anymore they only want to sleep.
I'm the dogposter above and that's pretty much what I see with my dog. This varies with heat, though. In cold temperatures, my dog has way more endurance. But if it's 90ºF+, she gets tired quick because she overheats and doesn't have good mechanisms to deal with that—definitely not when compared to humans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>businessinsider
Wow surely a great source of scholarly information on the subject and not an uncritical puff piece featuring only views of academics who support the "humans evolved as distance runners" hypothesis
Humans only have an endurance advantage in extremely dry + hot climates where sweating gives us an advantage. In cool, temperate or humid environments, our sweat is negated or other animals are able to stay cool enough to outpace us, rest + recover before we catch up to them, and then continue to outrun us.
2 years ago
Anonymous
dogs crashing when their owner jogs is a pretty common sight
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
???????? Why do people always say this? The average human doesn't move at all. They wake up, sit down, then fall back asleep eventually. Maybe the average person stands for ~60 minutes a day, and doesn't run or exercise. Primates swing through fricking trees. Have you ever tried to swing from one tree to another? You even said yourself they climb trees. Do you know how hard it is to climb a fricking tree?
You are completely removed from reality if you don't think it would be extremely difficult to impossible for an average human to make even a yard of progress climbing a tree.
The average man in the US is 200 pounds of mostly fat at 5'9".
The average woman in the US is 170 pounds of mostly fat at 5'4".
If you seriously think that climbing a tree is easy for these people and that the average person is more active than wild animals like gorillas and other primates, you are either (1) sheltered and have never met people or (2) delusional.
Your post doesn't really make sense. The average person is deformed and living a life far from their natural state. The initial post I was responding to said gorillas were "actually way more sedentary than us." I assumed by "us" he meant the average person, and not some hypothetical hunter-gatherer human which is definitely not the average person, not even the average person on the globe. And that means he was extremely incorrect.
2 years ago
Anonymous
For one you used the united states as the average, at least use the global average lol which is way more fit and normal
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Already an improvement
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the global average
...what the frick are you talking about? Do you think there is a meaningful "global average" of weight and height? Do you know anything about the globe? Are you like 14?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It just doesn't make sense to me why you would use modern industrialized people as an example for why humans would have a hard time doing x.
An obese American is not a representative of the average person, he is a representative of what modern lifestyle does to wreck the human body. Just like you wouldn't use a zoo gorilla to represent the average gorilla prowess
Just take people in the US 100 years ago, almost no one overweight and way more fit. And it still was far from ideal living
2 years ago
Anonymous
>an average person is not representative of the average person
Dude what the frick are you talking about?? You are doing some insane mental gymnastics to justify your weird point that people living today are living horrible unnatural lives, but that has nothing to do with the OP which said: >Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
""""Us""" means the average person living today RIGHT NOW. Not someone living 100 years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It just baffles me why you would use the average deformed person as an example when we're talking about what humans are capable of.
Like climbing a tree is super easy for a person if you're not obese and dying, children do it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>when we're talking about what humans are capable of
??????? Can you just please read the fricking quote. >Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us >Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us >Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
This has nothing to do with what we're capable of or what humans were like 100 years ago or whether or not living in a city is shitty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They are more sedentary, most of their life is spent sitting down and eating leaves
Humans walk around all day, even modern ones
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. I have no idea what a gorilla's average day looks like or what an average person's day looks like
2 years ago
Anonymous
If a gorilla climbs 1 tree 1 time in 1 day, they are already more active than the average person.
Lol. Most gigantic animals just sit around a lot. They're huge and strong because that's what they're genetically predisposed for. Just like we're smarter now, but sacrificed muscle for.
Lion sleeps 16-20 hours a day
And primates aren't "gigantic animals", most are very small and very active. Gorillas are not as active at them but are still very active. You are confusing with cows or something.
I'll refer your attention back to
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us,
You are an incredibly, incredibly moronic individual, on many different levels.
>You are an incredibly, incredibly moronic individual, on many different levels.
Gorilla's don't spend their time lifting anything but their bodyweight. Why aren't cali chads super strong and ripped like gorillas?
I won't 'refer' back to anything you pseudo smartass. The kings of the jungle are active when they need to and rest when they can. They are feared, which is why they don't have to move that much. Little tiny skitters, critters and such move around a lot and are small. That's you.
Lol. Most gigantic animals just sit around a lot. They're huge and strong because that's what they're genetically predisposed for. Just like we're smarter now, but sacrificed muscle for.
Lion sleeps 16-20 hours a day
Are you seriously insinuating that a FRICKING LION who CHASES DOWN THEIR PREY is more sedentary than THE AVERAGE HUMAN?
Do you even know what the average human looks like or does in a day??
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro I can run as intensively as a lion, so can a cheetah, doesn't make me or a cheetah as big as a lion. Pure mong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree 100% that pretty much every animal that exists is genetically predisposed to having way more muscle than humans (or at least be much stronger with the same amount of muscle)... but saying that wild animals "just sit around a lot" and they "don't have to move that much" and comparing their daily exercise to a guy who bench presses a few times a week is just plain silly.
You cannot run as intensely as a lion can, because your brain is holding back your muscle fibers. It's just not possible for you to exert yourself like other animals can exert themselves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A bro who works out 6 times a week lifts more kg than a lion who only sprints, carries and chews...
Its good that we agree on something though
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think you understand how humans are just not very good at exerting themselves compared to other animals. When a lion runs, it's not just like you running or sprinting. It's tearing itself apart at a level that we simply cannot comprehend. That's why lions can literally die after one or a few failed hunts.
If you've ever been in a state where you've had a massive adrenaline dump and you had to exert yourself really really hard for just a few seconds, and you were sore for days afterwards or you even injured yourself, you can kind of understand what it's like for a lion in their daily life.
Are you illiterate? I said our gut microbiome does it. Fricking moron. Here's some paper outlining it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939913/
Yes I'm well aware that the large intestine hosts microbes that ferment things. You made a claim that was incorrect and I'm correcting you. Do more research and re-read your post and you'll figure out why what you said was wrong.
Frick youuuuuuu fricking moron why are you like that >Short chain fatty acids (SCFA) are the primary end-products of fermentation of non-digestible carbohydrates (NDC) that become available to the gut microbiota.
NDC = fiber = cellulose
2 years ago
Anonymous
The 3rd line in your post was made up by you, as opposed to the 2nd line in your post which was quoted from the research article and clearly says something different than the line you made up. I'm not really sure what you're not understanding—I can't make my posts any simpler.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The 3rd line in your post was made up by you, as opposed to the 2nd line in your post which was quoted from the research article and clearly says something different than the line you made up. I'm not really sure what you're not understanding—I can't make my posts any simpler.
Here, I think it's unfair you linked a research article and I haven't yet, so here are 3 that will help you realize where you went wrong, hopefully: >Nondigestible carbohydrates, butyrate, and butyrate-producing bacteria
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30580556/ >Interactive and individual effects of dietary non-digestible carbohydrates and oils on DNA damage, SCFA and bacteria in the large bowel of rats
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18786278/ >Ingestion of Non-digestible Carbohydrates From Plant-Source Foods and Decreased Risk of Colorectal Cancer: A Review on the Biological Effects and the Mechanisms of Action
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31157230/
Its from hair product ingredient list. It means sv3rige has at some point tried to grow hair, just bing for "vitamin F" that isn't even real but is listed in hair products along with bunch of other thing on that list. Imagine getting suckered so bad.
Honestly I'd do the vegan thing because I like growing food anyways, but I don't want to become lactose intolerant and become some homosexual that can never eat pizza
Also I think vegans are fricking insufferable
Also gorillas don't do bench press and dead lift all day, they just eat and sleep.
You can't get big doing nothing as a human.
You don't want to know why you're so fat and sick despite your chadliest efforts?
Perhaps I was born before everyone became moronic, but there was once an adage called "You are what you eat."
2 years ago
Anonymous
I eat muscle, what do you eat?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I love how I can tell just from your lips and shape of your mask that you're obese. I also love the fact that your mutt brain actually thinks you hid it well.
I actually only eat bacon as my main calorie source. I estimated last year near 400lbs of meat... so on the conservative estimates I consumed 25hogs worth of bacon lmao
God made carnivores.
God made hunger.
God made death.
That being said I would go vegan for a hot gf and sex daily. That's all it takes, so if you're such a moral gay then by not giving me a hot gf who gives me sex daily you're the real killer here.
Why would being vegan make you lactose intolerant? Besides you can just pin shit on diet and allergies and never even mention youre vegan.
Having allergies is gay, also cutting dairy can make you intolerant to it.
>That being said I would go vegan for a hot gf and sex daily >he'd reject nutrition necessary to be fit for holes
Get the frick out of my board you repulsive simp.
Compassion and eating an animal have nothing to do with each other. You can have no compassion and eat the flesh of an animal or you can be completely compassionate and eat the flesh of an animal.
>every animal wants to live forever and die of old age peacefully in their sleep >there is no way to be compassionate when ending the life of an animal you may or may not have raised to have an amazing life
Both of these sentences are 100% artificial constructs just like all of the words that compose them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what's your point? are you a vegan or a "compassionate" carnivore?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The pig webm poster above thinks that compassion = letting every animal in the world live forever and die of old age. I'm emphasizing that this is a ridiculous notion.
Not to mention that veganism is horrible for animals. The monocrop agriculture that fuels veganism destroys the soil and environment of countless acres of land and, when plants are harvested, thousands of mice, rabbits, etc. die from being crushed by machinery in the process.
So veganism = being compassionate and preventing animal suffering is also nonsense, torn to shreds by the smallest amount of critical thinking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then you realize how much less land overall would be required for agriculture if not for feeding livestock. But then you come up with another fantasy narrative where ruminants actually keep the soil vigorous and nothing humans ever grow is going to feed animals, only things like corn husks and other sideproducts. Then I show it isn't so and you simply start screeching about israelites, vegans and globohomosexual and disregard all evidence as fake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you having a mental breakdown or is English just your second language? I legitimately can't understand this post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Then you realize how much less land overall would be required for agriculture if not for feeding livestock
Where will the fertiliser come from? About half of the fertiliser used globally is derived from animal manure.
You actually can. Look at raw vegans and fruitarians. This is what a human looks like on one-digit fat percentage on gorilla diet. Too bad we are bipeds so our natural muscle buildup is not as impressive to maintain effortless locomotion by keeping things light.
Thats what humans look like on a single digit fat percentage. It should be normal, like with rest of the primates, so I've started thinking low-fat vegan shills like Klaper and McDougar are actually correct when they say our perception of what is normal is warped bcause everyone is so fat these days. Makes HAES fatties seethe.
Yeah, let's eat our own shit. Oh it's actually not shit. They can do stuff we can't. Good job. Now you know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecotrope
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gorilla+eating+own+shit
They are ripped, because their digestive system is made to process plants better than ours is. A diesel engine would run like absolute shite if you fed it electricity, which an electric car would really love to be charged with.
Nature is one giant cycle and everything is connected anon. Herbivores just managed to extract the energy they need from plants, while humans can get it from everything, but especially meat.
What I mean by that is that it's a different kind of energy they're pulling from the universe, but they adapted to be able to do that well. Humans get their energy from a different part of the universe, and we are good at that.
So yeah, feeding a human things a herbivore would eat would make the human relatively unhealthy compared to if you fed the human human food.
Wasn't the point of discovering fire so that we could cook meat which made it better for survival or something, which made us the dominant species on the planet today?
hurp durp the evolutionary ancestors of humans ate meat way before fire was controlled by a living being on Earth (also an evolutionary ancestor of humans).
how do they even date shit when it's older than 1000 years, 10000 years, etc. ? what is there in bones than can tell us "yes this ape here is 4 million years old"? this is why i always liked math is because usually there is proof you can read and check yourself. in sciences like biology, chemistry, sometimes physics you just have to memorize shit and trust it's true. at least that was the case always up until highschool
I think it's mostly done with radioactive dating. We know that a bone or whatever is made with carbon that has a certain weight, and, using math, we can say that those carbon isotopes will have x weight in y years due to decay. That's what carbon dating is.
So a bone will be 90% carbon-12 when it's made and only 45% carbon-12 after 10,000 years. So when we look at a bone that is 23% carbon-12, we know it's 20,000 years old (because two half-lives have passed). I'm totally making the numbers up but that's the gist of it I think.
Maybe there's another big method out there other than carbon dating but I don't know it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Maybe there's another big method out there other than carbon dating but I don't know it.
yes i just checked. they basically measure rock layers and just date the layer by radioactive dating. that is if the bones were deep in a rock or something
I think my point was that we were meant to be eating meat, and that the moment we could cook it, we propelled ourselves into the stratosphere of the dominance hierarchy on the planet.
No data suggests your point that cooking made humans apex predators. It was using tools that did that. Also, uncooked meat has been eaten by every carnivore that has every existed, including human ancestors lol. I think you're fixating on the idea that meat has to be cooked to be eaten, or that cooking makes meat more nutritious somehow, and that's just plain wrong.
Because we were able to cook our food, we lost *some* kind of biological need (like maybe having to process raw meat), and gained the ability to grow our brain instead. Like, having the meat already sort of 'pre' heated, or denatured is the term I believe?, makes it easier for us to digest something something.
So it still overlaps with what you said (using tools to be apex predators), except I'm a step earlier in the process.
No, you're thinking about the expensive tissue hypothesis, which has nothing to do with cooked vs. raw meat but animal-based foods versus plant-based foods.
Full extraction of nutrients from plant-based foods like leaves and grass requires a much longer digestive tract than extracting nutrients from meat (because meat is the default tissue for animals because we're made of meat). That's why non-human primates have big ol' pot bellies, whereas tigers and lions don't have that. They have to ferment the plant matter and that takes a long time.
Cooking meat does not make it easier to process in any way, unless we're talking about making tough tissue soft like with BBQ or whatever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Cooking meat does not make it easier to process in any way
What's the advantage of cooking meat then? Other than the parasite killing and etc, it does taste better
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well the taste is just a preference, but yeah we cook meat today because we're not wild hunter-gatherers taking down elk and then guzzling their blood down and eating them on the spot lol. We put our meat in factories and shit.
Why did people cook meat a million years ago or whatever? Probably to keep it safe to eat for longer periods of time. I don't know though, I never looked into it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Right right, so we're on the same page then?
Meat is more nutrient dense than an equal amount of plants, so killing one animal means you have more calories for a longer period of time. In other words, you have time left to do other things, which made us able to spend time to literally develop our brains.
Nice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>spend time to literally develop our brains
lol how many RPGs do you play? Humans didn't grow their brains because of having "free time" lol like you think hunter-gatherers read books in between killing game. Humans grew their brains because of more easily accessible nutrients and shedding the need for a calorically demanding gut (which non-human primates still have).
You would have to be doing calisthenics, gymnastics, cardio, and eat some large meals the whole day, seven days a week.
But you're fat ass is here shitposting.
you will never be as strong as a gorilla
-t unless you have a completely different digestive system, adapted specifically for getting ripped on a vegetarian diet.
t
Bros, how do we gorillabacteriamax?
gut a live gorilla and eat his guts raw quickly before the bacteria die.
You need to double the length of your digestive tract and half the size of your brain.
>half the size of your brain
already did that, whats next?
Based lobotomybro.
fecal transplant
it will work
Boys I'll do it
You're going to sneak into a zoo and eat a Gorilla's poop?
Godspeed, you sick c**t
No you don't need to eat it, you need to insert it up your butt.
for science, when?
>gorillas are permanently on keto
vegans btfo
Legit if I were a billionaire I would use the covid genjab technology to give all fitbros the brotein gene.
Can you transport some of these bacteria into yourself without permanently fricking up the balance of your digestive system? or just getting them killed by your antibodies or whatever.
Yeah now just imagine how strong one of those fricking things would be with SS + GOMAD / Texas Method
It's what separates the apes from the men, gorillas are fricking dumb
Their bodies might not respond the same way to training, the way humans do. I also doubt they can drink milk.
Mazuri cookies
In seriousness, I love to point to silverback gorillas whenever somebody tells me genetic don't matter.
Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us, they just have high strength requirements for short, fast periods of tree-climbing + millions of years of natural selection.
I wish I could be that jacked just eating grass.
>I wish I could be that jacked just eating grass.
I don't. They can be so strong because they have no dexterity in their muscles, humans are weak because we dexx-maxxed
Ever saw a chimp/pongo using tools? They're almost disabled compared to us
That's a fair point. Chimps (and quadrupeds in general) are also terrible at long-range locomotion. A barely trained human can mog pretty much any monkey over long distances.
>A barely trained human can mog pretty much any monkey over long distances.
A barely trained human can mog pretty much any animal over long distances, it's one half of the human hunting strategy (the other half is intelligently organized violence)
Anyone who propagates this endurance hunt bullshit is either a Black person Black person or american Black person
This.
Too many morons just repub that meme with their brain turned off and accept it as truth. Guess they believe every other urban legends as well.
What do you mean people didn't run for hours in the heat to kill a large animal then carry the carcass back home, in deserts where they don't have a reliable source of water?
>barely trained human can mog pretty much any animal over long distances,
Dumb stupid meme. It isn't true.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61773202
>A runner has won the man v horse event for only the third time since the competition began in 1980.
>Runner Ricky Lightfoot received £3,500 after beating the first horse by more than two minutes on a 22.5 mile (36km) course in Llanwrtyd Wells, Powys.
>He came out on top of 1,000 runners and 50 horses with a time of 2:22:23.
In 42 years, elite athletes have raced against horses in a cross-country marathon, and this year, for only the 3rd time, a human has won.
He said "pretty much any animal", he did not say "every single animal, including one animal that has been most specifically chosen for, bred for and trained for long distance travelling throughout history".
You're welcome to post examples of humans racing other animals.
My dog is way faster than me but I have more endurance when we're playing. By the time she's totally exhausted I can still run around, especially if I rest a couple minutes. It takes her a while to recover from playing. Although usually she's running way more than I am, so I don't think it's a great comparison.
Anyway, endurance hunting is usually done only by the stupidest people who can't use tools or herding tactics or things like that.
Sure I'll just refer to some of the latest human vs animal long-distance racings events and... oh wait. No such events exist because you can't just tell a cow let's have a race. If they did, humans would be expected to win however.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-humans-evolved-to-be-best-endurance-runners-2018-3
I find it ironic how he is using that exact same example that you're somehow trying to use to show humans are bad at long-distance running compared to other animals to show show how good humans are at long-distance running compared to other animals.
Keep in mind also that humans can go a lot more than a marathon in a day. In a marathon you are expected to run or jog the entire way, however humans can easily walk for much longer, "ultra marathons" go up to 100 miles.
If you've ever observed dogs (which are another of the few contenders other than horses for matching humans) then sure they can run and run what seems like forever and a lot faster than humans too, it seems like humans would have no hope. But after like an hour of constant running, they're completely done for the day, not able to walk around anymore they only want to sleep. Humans can keep going, they will plod on and on and on.
>But after like an hour of constant running, they're completely done for the day, not able to walk around anymore they only want to sleep.
I'm the dogposter above and that's pretty much what I see with my dog. This varies with heat, though. In cold temperatures, my dog has way more endurance. But if it's 90ºF+, she gets tired quick because she overheats and doesn't have good mechanisms to deal with that—definitely not when compared to humans.
>businessinsider
Wow surely a great source of scholarly information on the subject and not an uncritical puff piece featuring only views of academics who support the "humans evolved as distance runners" hypothesis
Humans only have an endurance advantage in extremely dry + hot climates where sweating gives us an advantage. In cool, temperate or humid environments, our sweat is negated or other animals are able to stay cool enough to outpace us, rest + recover before we catch up to them, and then continue to outrun us.
dogs crashing when their owner jogs is a pretty common sight
>finds horse of all animals out there, a creature bred by humans to endure long distances, to prove humans can't mog animals
k3k
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
???????? Why do people always say this? The average human doesn't move at all. They wake up, sit down, then fall back asleep eventually. Maybe the average person stands for ~60 minutes a day, and doesn't run or exercise. Primates swing through fricking trees. Have you ever tried to swing from one tree to another? You even said yourself they climb trees. Do you know how hard it is to climb a fricking tree?
>Do you know how hard it is to climb a fricking tree?
homie you for real? did you grow up underground?
You are completely removed from reality if you don't think it would be extremely difficult to impossible for an average human to make even a yard of progress climbing a tree.
Climbing trees is easy...
Also swinging from one branch to another is easy if you're not scared
The average man in the US is 200 pounds of mostly fat at 5'9".
The average woman in the US is 170 pounds of mostly fat at 5'4".
If you seriously think that climbing a tree is easy for these people and that the average person is more active than wild animals like gorillas and other primates, you are either (1) sheltered and have never met people or (2) delusional.
These are deformed people, far from their natural state. Not a good example of average humanity
Your post doesn't really make sense. The average person is deformed and living a life far from their natural state. The initial post I was responding to said gorillas were "actually way more sedentary than us." I assumed by "us" he meant the average person, and not some hypothetical hunter-gatherer human which is definitely not the average person, not even the average person on the globe. And that means he was extremely incorrect.
For one you used the united states as the average, at least use the global average lol which is way more fit and normal
Already an improvement
>the global average
...what the frick are you talking about? Do you think there is a meaningful "global average" of weight and height? Do you know anything about the globe? Are you like 14?
It just doesn't make sense to me why you would use modern industrialized people as an example for why humans would have a hard time doing x.
An obese American is not a representative of the average person, he is a representative of what modern lifestyle does to wreck the human body. Just like you wouldn't use a zoo gorilla to represent the average gorilla prowess
Just take people in the US 100 years ago, almost no one overweight and way more fit. And it still was far from ideal living
>an average person is not representative of the average person
Dude what the frick are you talking about?? You are doing some insane mental gymnastics to justify your weird point that people living today are living horrible unnatural lives, but that has nothing to do with the OP which said:
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
""""Us""" means the average person living today RIGHT NOW. Not someone living 100 years ago.
It just baffles me why you would use the average deformed person as an example when we're talking about what humans are capable of.
Like climbing a tree is super easy for a person if you're not obese and dying, children do it
>when we're talking about what humans are capable of
??????? Can you just please read the fricking quote.
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us
This has nothing to do with what we're capable of or what humans were like 100 years ago or whether or not living in a city is shitty.
They are more sedentary, most of their life is spent sitting down and eating leaves
Humans walk around all day, even modern ones
>t. I have no idea what a gorilla's average day looks like or what an average person's day looks like
If a gorilla climbs 1 tree 1 time in 1 day, they are already more active than the average person.
>Most primates and gorillas are actually way more sedentary than us,
You are an incredibly, incredibly moronic individual, on many different levels.
Lol. Most gigantic animals just sit around a lot. They're huge and strong because that's what they're genetically predisposed for. Just like we're smarter now, but sacrificed muscle for.
Lion sleeps 16-20 hours a day
And primates aren't "gigantic animals", most are very small and very active. Gorillas are not as active at them but are still very active. You are confusing with cows or something.
I'll refer your attention back to
>You are an incredibly, incredibly moronic individual, on many different levels.
Gorilla's don't spend their time lifting anything but their bodyweight. Why aren't cali chads super strong and ripped like gorillas?
I won't 'refer' back to anything you pseudo smartass. The kings of the jungle are active when they need to and rest when they can. They are feared, which is why they don't have to move that much. Little tiny skitters, critters and such move around a lot and are small. That's you.
Are you seriously insinuating that a FRICKING LION who CHASES DOWN THEIR PREY is more sedentary than THE AVERAGE HUMAN?
Do you even know what the average human looks like or does in a day??
Bro I can run as intensively as a lion, so can a cheetah, doesn't make me or a cheetah as big as a lion. Pure mong.
I agree 100% that pretty much every animal that exists is genetically predisposed to having way more muscle than humans (or at least be much stronger with the same amount of muscle)... but saying that wild animals "just sit around a lot" and they "don't have to move that much" and comparing their daily exercise to a guy who bench presses a few times a week is just plain silly.
You cannot run as intensely as a lion can, because your brain is holding back your muscle fibers. It's just not possible for you to exert yourself like other animals can exert themselves.
A bro who works out 6 times a week lifts more kg than a lion who only sprints, carries and chews...
Its good that we agree on something though
I don't think you understand how humans are just not very good at exerting themselves compared to other animals. When a lion runs, it's not just like you running or sprinting. It's tearing itself apart at a level that we simply cannot comprehend. That's why lions can literally die after one or a few failed hunts.
If you've ever been in a state where you've had a massive adrenaline dump and you had to exert yourself really really hard for just a few seconds, and you were sore for days afterwards or you even injured yourself, you can kind of understand what it's like for a lion in their daily life.
moronic Cow-Ape spends 90% of its day eating. Chimps mog these huge morons DAILY
bugs aren't vegan
you will always be deficient
>spend all day eating
>giant intestine that converts cellulose into saturated fat
>???
>profit
We also convert cellulose to short chain fatty acids and other thing with gut microbes
No, we don't digest cellulose. That's a pretty well-established fact.
Are you illiterate? I said our gut microbiome does it. Fricking moron. Here's some paper outlining it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939913/
Ctrl + F "cellulose"
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Yes I'm well aware that the large intestine hosts microbes that ferment things. You made a claim that was incorrect and I'm correcting you. Do more research and re-read your post and you'll figure out why what you said was wrong.
Frick youuuuuuu fricking moron why are you like that
>Short chain fatty acids (SCFA) are the primary end-products of fermentation of non-digestible carbohydrates (NDC) that become available to the gut microbiota.
NDC = fiber = cellulose
The 3rd line in your post was made up by you, as opposed to the 2nd line in your post which was quoted from the research article and clearly says something different than the line you made up. I'm not really sure what you're not understanding—I can't make my posts any simpler.
Here, I think it's unfair you linked a research article and I haven't yet, so here are 3 that will help you realize where you went wrong, hopefully:
>Nondigestible carbohydrates, butyrate, and butyrate-producing bacteria
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30580556/
>Interactive and individual effects of dietary non-digestible carbohydrates and oils on DNA damage, SCFA and bacteria in the large bowel of rats
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18786278/
>Ingestion of Non-digestible Carbohydrates From Plant-Source Foods and Decreased Risk of Colorectal Cancer: A Review on the Biological Effects and the Mechanisms of Action
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31157230/
yea maybe the enzymes/bacteria in our digestive system works differently from gorillas haha
Next time you'll say we should eat grass because bulls are beefy.
Frickwit.
Might be the secret weapon to dat dere bull gains. Can't knock it till ya try it ya know
>dumb fricking apes don’t know they’re deficient in, uhhhh….Carnosine, Taurine, and Vitamin B12!
Lmao @ their missing micronutrients
>the digestive system of every animal is the exact same as humans'
Are you literally moronic? Like, clinically diagnosed?
That's taken from hair product ingredients. Search for "vitamin F" to see it.
The only thing on that list that is actually deficient is B12 and Vitamin D, which you can easily get from the sun
The cope and seethe is real. Carnitards never fail to make me laugh
Is this supposed to be impressive? That dude is literally like 160lbs. He’s not jacked he’s just hella lean with mild definition. Pathetic
Sure sure anon.
Post body.
>no body posted
he's bigger than you'll ever be dyel lmao.
Its from hair product ingredient list. It means sv3rige has at some point tried to grow hair, just bing for "vitamin F" that isn't even real but is listed in hair products along with bunch of other thing on that list. Imagine getting suckered so bad.
>hehe
>it was da veganism dat made me lose my hairs, that's why veganism is bad. U get malnoorished from the antinootrients in the plantz
>hehe
We understand you like twinks but I don’t know why you feel the need to keep posting pictures of them, no heterosexual male desires to look like that.
Honestly I'd do the vegan thing because I like growing food anyways, but I don't want to become lactose intolerant and become some homosexual that can never eat pizza
Also I think vegans are fricking insufferable
Also gorillas don't do bench press and dead lift all day, they just eat and sleep.
You can't get big doing nothing as a human.
I always see tons of carnists spewing endless insults, yet it would seem that having compassion for God's creation is insufferable.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
>having this saved
you're beyond saving
You don't want to know why you're so fat and sick despite your chadliest efforts?
Perhaps I was born before everyone became moronic, but there was once an adage called "You are what you eat."
I eat muscle, what do you eat?
I love how I can tell just from your lips and shape of your mask that you're obese. I also love the fact that your mutt brain actually thinks you hid it well.
kek
too true
>My life exists out of arguing on the internet, why am I miserable?
I actually only eat bacon as my main calorie source. I estimated last year near 400lbs of meat... so on the conservative estimates I consumed 25hogs worth of bacon lmao
God made carnivores.
God made hunger.
God made death.
That being said I would go vegan for a hot gf and sex daily. That's all it takes, so if you're such a moral gay then by not giving me a hot gf who gives me sex daily you're the real killer here.
Having allergies is gay, also cutting dairy can make you intolerant to it.
>That being said I would go vegan for a hot gf and sex daily
>he'd reject nutrition necessary to be fit for holes
Get the frick out of my board you repulsive simp.
Based. Frick pigs. They're an invasive species anyway and they're buttholes about it too. Day of the corral trap can't come soon enough.
Uuuuuhhh homie why do you have this saved in your computer?
>having compassion for God's creation
God made animals eat each other alive
Compassion and eating an animal have nothing to do with each other. You can have no compassion and eat the flesh of an animal or you can be completely compassionate and eat the flesh of an animal.
>every animal wants to live forever and die of old age peacefully in their sleep
>there is no way to be compassionate when ending the life of an animal you may or may not have raised to have an amazing life
Both of these sentences are 100% artificial constructs just like all of the words that compose them.
what's your point? are you a vegan or a "compassionate" carnivore?
The pig webm poster above thinks that compassion = letting every animal in the world live forever and die of old age. I'm emphasizing that this is a ridiculous notion.
Not to mention that veganism is horrible for animals. The monocrop agriculture that fuels veganism destroys the soil and environment of countless acres of land and, when plants are harvested, thousands of mice, rabbits, etc. die from being crushed by machinery in the process.
So veganism = being compassionate and preventing animal suffering is also nonsense, torn to shreds by the smallest amount of critical thinking.
Then you realize how much less land overall would be required for agriculture if not for feeding livestock. But then you come up with another fantasy narrative where ruminants actually keep the soil vigorous and nothing humans ever grow is going to feed animals, only things like corn husks and other sideproducts. Then I show it isn't so and you simply start screeching about israelites, vegans and globohomosexual and disregard all evidence as fake.
Are you having a mental breakdown or is English just your second language? I legitimately can't understand this post.
>Then you realize how much less land overall would be required for agriculture if not for feeding livestock
Where will the fertiliser come from? About half of the fertiliser used globally is derived from animal manure.
Why would being vegan make you lactose intolerant? Besides you can just pin shit on diet and allergies and never even mention youre vegan.
they eat bugs nonestop too
>you can get ripped by sitting on your ass all day and eating fruit like a gorilla does
Can't beat incel logic
You actually can. Look at raw vegans and fruitarians. This is what a human looks like on one-digit fat percentage on gorilla diet. Too bad we are bipeds so our natural muscle buildup is not as impressive to maintain effortless locomotion by keeping things light.
Dude looks anorexic
Thats what humans look like on a single digit fat percentage. It should be normal, like with rest of the primates, so I've started thinking low-fat vegan shills like Klaper and McDougar are actually correct when they say our perception of what is normal is warped bcause everyone is so fat these days. Makes HAES fatties seethe.
Should it be normal? Unlike other apes humans have to endure winters and can't just eat leaves all day
He looks like he's gonna die in the after.
Yeah, let's eat our own shit. Oh it's actually not shit. They can do stuff we can't. Good job. Now you know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecotrope
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gorilla+eating+own+shit
I could beat the shit out of a gorilla any day
I wish you'd try and film it so we can all watch it pull your face off your skull like it's peeling off a sticker.
and here's a carnivore.
the fact is that it's genetics and humans have weak homosexual genetics.
You are not a gorilla
Genes are everything.
The rest is cope maxxing.
> You will never be able to eat your own shit without getting killed by all the bacteria like a Gor...
Oh wait. Human and Gorilla DNA are two completely different things veganschizo.
>you can’t get ripped eat a varied diet of octopus, squid, crab, shrimp, clams, snails, and sandwor…
Wow, a different animal with a completely different digestive system to humans eat differently and has different physiology.
THIS MUST MEAN SOMETHING
Uuuuuh, gorilla bros?
>you can’t get ripped on a grass die-
Humans can't.
They are ripped, because their digestive system is made to process plants better than ours is. A diesel engine would run like absolute shite if you fed it electricity, which an electric car would really love to be charged with.
Nature is one giant cycle and everything is connected anon. Herbivores just managed to extract the energy they need from plants, while humans can get it from everything, but especially meat.
What I mean by that is that it's a different kind of energy they're pulling from the universe, but they adapted to be able to do that well. Humans get their energy from a different part of the universe, and we are good at that.
So yeah, feeding a human things a herbivore would eat would make the human relatively unhealthy compared to if you fed the human human food.
Wasn't the point of discovering fire so that we could cook meat which made it better for survival or something, which made us the dominant species on the planet today?
Point is that we're supposed to eat meat, right?
Humans ate meat way before we discovered fire.
Those weren't humans
hurp durp the evolutionary ancestors of humans ate meat way before fire was controlled by a living being on Earth (also an evolutionary ancestor of humans).
That is... if you trust the science, anyway...
how do they even date shit when it's older than 1000 years, 10000 years, etc. ? what is there in bones than can tell us "yes this ape here is 4 million years old"? this is why i always liked math is because usually there is proof you can read and check yourself. in sciences like biology, chemistry, sometimes physics you just have to memorize shit and trust it's true. at least that was the case always up until highschool
I think it's mostly done with radioactive dating. We know that a bone or whatever is made with carbon that has a certain weight, and, using math, we can say that those carbon isotopes will have x weight in y years due to decay. That's what carbon dating is.
So a bone will be 90% carbon-12 when it's made and only 45% carbon-12 after 10,000 years. So when we look at a bone that is 23% carbon-12, we know it's 20,000 years old (because two half-lives have passed). I'm totally making the numbers up but that's the gist of it I think.
Maybe there's another big method out there other than carbon dating but I don't know it.
>Maybe there's another big method out there other than carbon dating but I don't know it.
yes i just checked. they basically measure rock layers and just date the layer by radioactive dating. that is if the bones were deep in a rock or something
I think my point was that we were meant to be eating meat, and that the moment we could cook it, we propelled ourselves into the stratosphere of the dominance hierarchy on the planet.
No data suggests your point that cooking made humans apex predators. It was using tools that did that. Also, uncooked meat has been eaten by every carnivore that has every existed, including human ancestors lol. I think you're fixating on the idea that meat has to be cooked to be eaten, or that cooking makes meat more nutritious somehow, and that's just plain wrong.
Now I remember.
Because we were able to cook our food, we lost *some* kind of biological need (like maybe having to process raw meat), and gained the ability to grow our brain instead. Like, having the meat already sort of 'pre' heated, or denatured is the term I believe?, makes it easier for us to digest something something.
So it still overlaps with what you said (using tools to be apex predators), except I'm a step earlier in the process.
No, you're thinking about the expensive tissue hypothesis, which has nothing to do with cooked vs. raw meat but animal-based foods versus plant-based foods.
Full extraction of nutrients from plant-based foods like leaves and grass requires a much longer digestive tract than extracting nutrients from meat (because meat is the default tissue for animals because we're made of meat). That's why non-human primates have big ol' pot bellies, whereas tigers and lions don't have that. They have to ferment the plant matter and that takes a long time.
Cooking meat does not make it easier to process in any way, unless we're talking about making tough tissue soft like with BBQ or whatever.
>Cooking meat does not make it easier to process in any way
What's the advantage of cooking meat then? Other than the parasite killing and etc, it does taste better
Well the taste is just a preference, but yeah we cook meat today because we're not wild hunter-gatherers taking down elk and then guzzling their blood down and eating them on the spot lol. We put our meat in factories and shit.
Why did people cook meat a million years ago or whatever? Probably to keep it safe to eat for longer periods of time. I don't know though, I never looked into it.
Right right, so we're on the same page then?
Meat is more nutrient dense than an equal amount of plants, so killing one animal means you have more calories for a longer period of time. In other words, you have time left to do other things, which made us able to spend time to literally develop our brains.
Nice.
>spend time to literally develop our brains
lol how many RPGs do you play? Humans didn't grow their brains because of having "free time" lol like you think hunter-gatherers read books in between killing game. Humans grew their brains because of more easily accessible nutrients and shedding the need for a calorically demanding gut (which non-human primates still have).
That is... if you trust the science.
He doesn't eat soi
>myostatin
i await the day we master gene manipulation and can walk among the gods as synthetically engineered immortal chads
You would have to be doing calisthenics, gymnastics, cardio, and eat some large meals the whole day, seven days a week.
But you're fat ass is here shitposting.