Killing animals for food is fairly ethical I would say. Killing them arbitrarily maybe not so much. OP why would arbitrarily kill plants when there are perfectly good animals to eat? It's pretty immoral bro. Maybe sort yourself out?
Reminder that muscle has memory and modern farming methods are fricking abhorrent. If any other creature did what we do to animals we'd be disgusted by them.
Switched to a plant based diet for 2 and a half years and feel incredible
> modern farming methods are fricking abhorrent
Plant based farming is severely more abhorrent than meat farming. The fact you seem more concerned with lives of chicken than with lives of mice makes you just that much more insufferable.
A human must kill one way or another to survive. Learn to live with that.
>2 and a half years and feel incredible
You've followed a diet for not a quarter of your life, and not from birth either. Good thing we dont rely on anecdotal evidence.
No real scientific studies show that a vegan diet makes anyone fitter or healthier. Anecdotally we have seen many vegans fall apart after the 2-5 year mark. You'll be back to eating meat before you know it.
Don't waste your keystrokes on these morons. They're obsessed with the idea of getting as muscular as possible yet are 90% dyels.
Athletic performance, especially anything involving lifting, is best with meat in the diet. Show me a high level powerlifter or strongman who follows veganism.
Reminder that muscle has memory and modern farming methods are fricking abhorrent. If any other creature did what we do to animals we'd be disgusted by them.
Switched to a plant based diet for 2 and a half years and feel incredible
I'm eating meat everyday, multiple times, and there isn't a thing you can say or do to stop me (because you're a weak vegan HahA XD)
I raise, kill and butcher my own animals for meat. Its a lot of work to properly raise.
I also grow my own crops. Also a lot of work.
I think if anything is unethical is that you are perfectly capable of producing at least some of your own food and you still rely on the blood, sweat, and tears of others. Not to mention the shit you get at the store regardless of what kingdom that it comes from is all unethical as shit.
How did you afford your land and how do you pay taxes and make a means of living?
Raising sheep and growing my own crops is my dream.
People constantly look down on me when I say I want to be a farmer, but it's a hell of a lot harder to get to that point than be some israeli goyim cuckboy slave.
There are a variety of ways to break the system. Its hard. I got lucky and have land however there are literal homeless people living out of a cart and engaging in legal guerilla grazing with dairy sheep/goats (look up 123 homefree)
Unfortunately its the norm for citycucks to look down on anyone who has any desire to live for themselves outside of a claustrophobic cubicle making some israelite more money.
Nobody questions how fricked up it is that we went from 40% of people producing at least some of their own food in 1940 to around 1 percent today.
I don't think eating meat is immoral. I do think that it is environmentally destructive and that is why we should limit meat consumption. We'd save on water, land (farmland for feed could be used to grow food for humans), and carbon emissions.
explain how a cow grazing grass is more environmentally destructive than:
All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
Don't worry, I'll summarize for you. If you think animal agriculture is worse for the environment than plant agriculture, you're a bumbling fricking idiot who has been watching too many shitty netflix documentaries.
Tell me you have absolutely no concept of how agriculture actually works, without telling me you have absolutely no concept of how agriculture actually works.
Ignoring quite how little of the world's beef production is just cows freely grazing on grass, you haven't considered how either of those scale, have you? Also, anon just said 'limit' meat consumption, not eradicate it.
Again, tell me you know nothing about agriculture without telling me.
I've considered far more than you can even comprehend, you brainlet frick.
The vast majority of ALL COWS lives are spent eating grass. How they are finished is irrelevant.
>All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
My point is that meat cultivation involves all of that anyway, in the production of animal feed. Half the corn grown in the USA is used to feed cattle. Isn't that a massive waste of water, chemicals, and land? We would be better off eating the corn directly. Don't get me wrong, I eat meat and I like the taste. But meat should be something we eat on birthdays and celebrations, not everyday.
>My point is that meat cultivation involves all of that anyway,
No, it doesn't.
>Half the corn grown in the USA is used to feed cattle. Isn't that a massive waste of water, chemicals, and land? We would be better off eating the corn directly.
My god man. You have no clue how any of this actually works.
>All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
My point is that meat cultivation involves all of that anyway, in the production of animal feed. Half the corn grown in the USA is used to feed cattle. Isn't that a massive waste of water, chemicals, and land? We would be better off eating the corn directly. Don't get me wrong, I eat meat and I like the taste. But meat should be something we eat on birthdays and celebrations, not everyday.
Almost nothing is grown specifically for animals. That is tired vegan propaganda. About 5% of the WASTE of crop production (grown for basedboys like you) is used for animal feed. Vegans actually promote poor diets for animals by propping up the monocrop farming industry and protesting against regenerative agriculture (because vegans know it destroys all their arguments).
>All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
G, I wonder what cows eat year round. Especially those that don't go outside, ever.
>you can look good and be ethical at the same time
bro look at the world around you. you cant even participate in society and be ethical at the same time.
monoculture crop farming also destroy habitats for animals, crop harvesting kills small animals and insects etc etc frick this OP don't participant in such stupid mainstream idealogies and eat your fricking meat like your ancestors did for generations no one cares about your virtues
>Ethical
The israeli influence is strong with this one. I have a 10 ounce steak in my fridge for sinner tomorrow. I'll think about your baseless ethics as I enjoy it.
Yeah okay, like eating farmed plants is any more ethical. All those farms that feed humans used to be habitats for wildlife, and it was all cut down and striped of its natural ecosystem to become breeding grounds for selectively bred plants to solely feed one single species.
Eating animals is far more ethical than destroying the environment by supporting monocrop farms you mong. If you care about ethics you would minimise your monocrop consumption and eat only locally. And the added benefit of ethical food consumption via an animal diet is that you will get healthier and become less of a burden on society, which we know you vegans are.
Bro I can't stop eating steak with blue cheese (wagyu ribeye) and oysters/eggs fried in steak fat for the meal after... it's too good. I just don't care about the cows that were born specifically to feed me, and oysters feel no pain.
Killing animals for food is fairly ethical I would say. Killing them arbitrarily maybe not so much. OP why would arbitrarily kill plants when there are perfectly good animals to eat? It's pretty immoral bro. Maybe sort yourself out?
OP is a carrot killer.
Reminder that muscle has memory and modern farming methods are fricking abhorrent. If any other creature did what we do to animals we'd be disgusted by them.
Switched to a plant based diet for 2 and a half years and feel incredible
Don't waste your keystrokes on these morons. They're obsessed with the idea of getting as muscular as possible yet are 90% dyels.
> modern farming methods are fricking abhorrent
Plant based farming is severely more abhorrent than meat farming. The fact you seem more concerned with lives of chicken than with lives of mice makes you just that much more insufferable.
A human must kill one way or another to survive. Learn to live with that.
>2 and a half years and feel incredible
You've followed a diet for not a quarter of your life, and not from birth either. Good thing we dont rely on anecdotal evidence.
No real scientific studies show that a vegan diet makes anyone fitter or healthier. Anecdotally we have seen many vegans fall apart after the 2-5 year mark. You'll be back to eating meat before you know it.
Athletic performance, especially anything involving lifting, is best with meat in the diet. Show me a high level powerlifter or strongman who follows veganism.
Vegans look like SHIT their skins age so fricking fast
There's nothing ethical about preservation. White Empathy is a mental illness.
This
There is only the primordial truth
I would eat those invading aliens
Threadly reminder that the only vegan source of vitamin B12 is activated sludge. Yum yum, so healthy. https://youtu.be/0Zfj8Vg_3HM?t=56
I raise, kill and butcher my own animals for meat. Its a lot of work to properly raise.
I also grow my own crops. Also a lot of work.
I think if anything is unethical is that you are perfectly capable of producing at least some of your own food and you still rely on the blood, sweat, and tears of others. Not to mention the shit you get at the store regardless of what kingdom that it comes from is all unethical as shit.
How did you afford your land and how do you pay taxes and make a means of living?
Raising sheep and growing my own crops is my dream.
People constantly look down on me when I say I want to be a farmer, but it's a hell of a lot harder to get to that point than be some israeli goyim cuckboy slave.
There are a variety of ways to break the system. Its hard. I got lucky and have land however there are literal homeless people living out of a cart and engaging in legal guerilla grazing with dairy sheep/goats (look up 123 homefree)
Unfortunately its the norm for citycucks to look down on anyone who has any desire to live for themselves outside of a claustrophobic cubicle making some israelite more money.
Nobody questions how fricked up it is that we went from 40% of people producing at least some of their own food in 1940 to around 1 percent today.
Here's my thoughtful rebuttal:
You're lying.
>be ethical
what did he mean by this?
I don't think eating meat is immoral. I do think that it is environmentally destructive and that is why we should limit meat consumption. We'd save on water, land (farmland for feed could be used to grow food for humans), and carbon emissions.
explain how a cow grazing grass is more environmentally destructive than:
All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
Don't worry, I'll summarize for you. If you think animal agriculture is worse for the environment than plant agriculture, you're a bumbling fricking idiot who has been watching too many shitty netflix documentaries.
Tell me you have absolutely no concept of how agriculture actually works, without telling me you have absolutely no concept of how agriculture actually works.
Shut up and eat the bugs
Ignoring quite how little of the world's beef production is just cows freely grazing on grass, you haven't considered how either of those scale, have you? Also, anon just said 'limit' meat consumption, not eradicate it.
Calm down.
Again, tell me you know nothing about agriculture without telling me.
I've considered far more than you can even comprehend, you brainlet frick.
The vast majority of ALL COWS lives are spent eating grass. How they are finished is irrelevant.
>My point is that meat cultivation involves all of that anyway,
No, it doesn't.
>Half the corn grown in the USA is used to feed cattle. Isn't that a massive waste of water, chemicals, and land? We would be better off eating the corn directly.
My god man. You have no clue how any of this actually works.
>All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
My point is that meat cultivation involves all of that anyway, in the production of animal feed. Half the corn grown in the USA is used to feed cattle. Isn't that a massive waste of water, chemicals, and land? We would be better off eating the corn directly. Don't get me wrong, I eat meat and I like the taste. But meat should be something we eat on birthdays and celebrations, not everyday.
I'm eating meat everyday, multiple times, and there isn't a thing you can say or do to stop me (because you're a weak vegan HahA XD)
Almost nothing is grown specifically for animals. That is tired vegan propaganda. About 5% of the WASTE of crop production (grown for basedboys like you) is used for animal feed. Vegans actually promote poor diets for animals by propping up the monocrop farming industry and protesting against regenerative agriculture (because vegans know it destroys all their arguments).
>All the fossil fuels it takes to plow, plant, spray, harvest and process crops. synthetic fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides...being release into the environment en masse. water wastage/evaporation, soil degradation, & wildlife destruction that comes with plant agriculture.
G, I wonder what cows eat year round. Especially those that don't go outside, ever.
tommy shelbeh is not really a sigma male
>you can look good by dropping junk food until eating nothing but plants wrecks your health and you look like you have aids
Ftfy
>you can look good and be ethical at the same time
bro look at the world around you. you cant even participate in society and be ethical at the same time.
> posts on IST
> "ethical"
can you read? i said ALL SOCIETAL BEHAVIOR IS UNETHICAL.
>taking a site that is non stop shit posting so seriously you believe it's not "ethical".
Gay
monoculture crop farming also destroy habitats for animals, crop harvesting kills small animals and insects etc etc frick this OP don't participant in such stupid mainstream idealogies and eat your fricking meat like your ancestors did for generations no one cares about your virtues
don't make real arguments, they aren't, so you shouldn't either.
I can't believe I live in a time where humans being omnivores is seen as controversial. What the frick.
I love Alice!
>tattoo
wtf since when
>Ethical
The israeli influence is strong with this one. I have a 10 ounce steak in my fridge for sinner tomorrow. I'll think about your baseless ethics as I enjoy it.
>for sinner tomorrow
Freudian slip, anon?
>btfo by your subconscious
lmao
>be ethical at the same time
Frick off pussy
hemp
Yeah okay, like eating farmed plants is any more ethical. All those farms that feed humans used to be habitats for wildlife, and it was all cut down and striped of its natural ecosystem to become breeding grounds for selectively bred plants to solely feed one single species.
You think that's moral?
>it's miss alice
Wtf I used to jerk off to her daily when I was 16. Her breasts used to look amazing.
Does she still do cam porn?
i eat meat because it tastes le good, has nothing to do with ethicism or whatever schizo term you use, life not an rpg with karma system grow up
Eating animals is far more ethical than destroying the environment by supporting monocrop farms you mong. If you care about ethics you would minimise your monocrop consumption and eat only locally. And the added benefit of ethical food consumption via an animal diet is that you will get healthier and become less of a burden on society, which we know you vegans are.
Bro I can't stop eating steak with blue cheese (wagyu ribeye) and oysters/eggs fried in steak fat for the meal after... it's too good. I just don't care about the cows that were born specifically to feed me, and oysters feel no pain.
I agree with you but I'm not clicking an ad for some homosexual twitch channel