>you don't need to train abs, they develop from working isometrically during the big compounds

>you don't need to train abs, they develop from working isometrically during the big compounds

*IF* that's the case, why lift anything at all? Shouldn't you be able to train all your muscles isometrically by pushing/pulling immovable objects as hard as humanly possible?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe cause that works for abs and not for other muscles? Dunno could be the case

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I do a lot of abs exercises, I like them. Dragon flags being my favorite, I do 500 of them 7 days a week. I do other shit, but dragon flags are my favorite. IDK why.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >pushing/pulling immovable objects as hard as humanly possible?
    No, that doesn't work. If the object is way too heavy, your CNS prevents your muscles from working maximally. This is also why you can't train your muscles by just flexing them as hard as you can

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This is also why you can't train your muscles by just flexing them as hard as you can
      It's really fucking funny to imagine a world where this is possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >pushing/pulling immovable objects as hard as humanly possible?
        No, that doesn't work. If the object is way too heavy, your CNS prevents your muscles from working maximally. This is also why you can't train your muscles by just flexing them as hard as you can

        Heh.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Again picks a short genetic freak to prove his point
          Bro your shit doesn't work for your average lifter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if isometric training actually works, but I can see many potential advantages:
      >virtually zero chance of going to snap city
      >more mechanical tension as you can give it your absolute max knowing that if you fail, you won't die
      >more time under tension and more unit recruitment since you can keep going for a pretty long time (exerting less and less force, but still going nonetheless, which is impossible with free weights).

      >your CNS prevents your muscles from working maximally
      I remember reading about isometric training they did back in the 60's, and the way they tried to cheat the CNS was by actually moving heavy-ass weight for an inch or so and then pushing it against rack pins. Don't know if or how well that worked, though.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cause he is wrong. I made this mistake and I had issues with back pain until i started isolating abs. SS has a light veneer of legitimacy. But the claims like this as well as the "Lean body mass" gains like Zack Everrett kinda surprise me that SS isnt fucking destroyed more often than it already is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're a retard and ab work causes back pain for a lot of people.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And alleviates back pain for just as many people

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >situps are the only way to hit core

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not shit, sit ups involve your hip flexors. Crunches are a good exercise though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a beginner strength program and it works very well as a beginner strength program. If you're expecting any more than that it's your problem not the programs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > It's a beginner strength program
        You're literally a retard and what Rippetoe is saying doesn't exclusively apply to the SS program. You do realize he's written literally hundreds of pages on non-novice programming, right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's a beginner strength program and it works very well as a beginner strength program

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this, isolating abs fixed my back pain as well
      though I assume this is due to most untrained men nowadays being substantially weaker than untrained men back when the book was written

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rippletits is all about normal anatomical function. The abs almost always work isometrically in every movement, so training them in this way corresponds to their normal anatomical function/involvement (isometric stabilization of the torso). Each "ab" is short muscles and can't produce a lot of motion anyway. You can't train muscles which produce like ROMs like this; but muscles which produce large ROMs are involved in large ROMs in their normal anatomical function and so are trained through a large ROM in compounds.
    Rippetoe isn't as retarded as you guys think.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't you be able to train all your muscles isometrically by pushing/pulling immovable objects as hard as humanly possible?
    Yes this should work. Even with the deadlift, many of the back muscles are isometrically contracted but still grow. Like the traps for example.

    Also, stretching a muscle under load for long periods of time works. There's studies on birds where they hung a weight off one wing for a few weeks and the wing muscles grew around 3 times bigger in that short period of time. That's crazy growth. But it would be painful to try grow muscles like this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, stretching a muscle under load f
      There's also studies where they had people do leg extensions with different parts of the range of motions. The bottom of the range of motion when the quads are most stretched is where most of the growth was stimulated.
      The people who only did the beginning 1/4 of the ROM in the leg extention where the quads start out in the stretched position got the same or more growth then people who did the full range contraction or the latter part of the contraction where you squeeze the muscle.
      Seems like putting the muscle into a stretched position under load provides the strong hypertrophy signals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > My leg extension.

        Nobody does the leg extension only to build muscle what about arm movements?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The concept probably works on any muscle.

          For biceps, the preacher curl seems to put most of the tension at the full stretch position.
          I wouldn't be surprised if 1/4 reps on the preacher curl is just as effective as full reps on any curl exercise. if those studies are right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Welcome to retard town everybody
            Never seen someone be so wrong before

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I notice many top pro bodybuilders only work the muscle in a short range of motion in the stretch position. Science has proven that this is where all the growth happens. Technically you don't need any motion whatsoever according to animal studies. Just fully stretch the muscle and place a load on it for a long period of time under stretch and muscle will start growing at a rapid rate. The stretch of the muscle fiber combined with the load causes the trigger for muscle protein synthesis.

              ?t=90

              You are the dumb one who cant think outside the box. You will never get anywhere in life with that way of thinking.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Many top pro bodybuilders are also on steroids and can gain muscle from opening and closing the fridge door.
                Be my guest homie, do your isometric holds. Let us know all of the sick growth you're gonna get from it. If you can activate enough neurological mind muscle connection that is.
                >You will never get anywhere in life with that way of thinking.
                Except I already have, by 4x12 bodybuilding. Sometimes you don't need to complicate things for them to work.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Steroids are irrelevant, they still need to stimulate the muscle to grow to its maximum size using techniques.

                The science has shown that most of the muscle growth happens in the stretched position in naturals.

                Listen to this bodybuilder, I bet he never read the studies but figured out the secret on his own through trial and error and common sense..

                ?t=969

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Steroids are irrelevant
                Ok so you think doing 1000 sit ups works for natties like they do for juicers?
                Go ahead, show us
                >The science has shown that most of the muscle growth happens in the stretched position in naturals.
                >The science
                It's like claiming you're gonna get huge lats from an active isometric dead hang
                Like no bro
                Again, good luck following this training regimen as a natural. You're not gonna grow. But at least admit to your mistake once you realize it.
                Literally every respectable natty like pic says that as a natural, you can't train like roiders.
                Good luck bro

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                are irrelevant
                >Ok so you think doing 1000 sit ups works for natties like they do for juicers?
                >Go ahead, show us.
                I'm talking about muscles in the stretched position under load. Human studies in naturals showed this is where most of the growth stimulus seems to happen. In animal studies they hung weights off bird wings, so no range of motion whatsoever, and there was mind boggling muscle growth.
                >>The science has shown that most of the muscle growth happens in the stretched position in naturals.
                >>The science
                >It's like claiming you're gonna get huge lats from an active isometric dead hang
                Theoretically, if you hang for long enough, if bird studies are anything to go by.
                >Like no bro
                I just realized im talking to a Derek fanboy zoomer
                >Again, good luck following this training regimen as a natural. You're not gonna grow. But at least admit to your mistake once you realize it.
                I'll give it a shot.
                >Literally every respectable natty like pic says that as a natural, you can't train like roiders.
                >Good luck bro
                The main difference between roiders and naturals is that they can handle more volume and recover from it. And their muscles grow at a faster rate with an appropriate stimulus. Most roiders lift in the same way as a natural, they lift weights up and down until close to or to failure.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not gonna read that, post results when you get them (you won't)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally every respectable natty like pic says that as a natural, you can't train like roiders.
                how should natties train?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's like claiming you're gonna get huge lats from an active isometric dead hang
                Doesn't Rip & co. claim you get big lats from getting your deadlift to $BIGNUM (i.e. loading them isometrically, not even under stretch)?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Probably, doesn't Rip also say you don't need to isolate the biceps in order for them to grow?
                Listen to him for strength, not hypertrophy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Listen to him for strength, not hypertrophy
                who should we listen for hypertrophy?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Alpha Destiny
                Bald Omni Man
                these 2 have a wild arrange of videos for pretty much any question/muscle you wanna know about.
                Once at advanced level, listen to Eric Bugenhagen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Look how Tom Platz did his leg extensions at the end of the set. He might have been replicating the short range of motion in the quad stretch position study without realizing.

          ?t=57

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes, but you need to slightly move over the full range for maximum results.
    so, lets say a squat has 100% rom, you need to push at increments of 5% of that rom.
    This is in theory actually better than doing normal squats, but in practice not doable.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm good at push ups now, wow.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't you be able to train all your muscles isometrically by pushing/pulling immovable objects as hard as humanly possible?
    this is called isometrics and it does work

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This does work. Take a wooden bar. Strap a chain to it. Attach that to the ground. Lean forward. Start with your arm curled all the way in. Recruit all muscles attempting to curl it. Try extremely hard. Start leaning back very slowly. You'll stress your bicep by quite a huge amount if you work at it. Keep going until you reach the end of your bicep range of motion. Repeat until your arms are jello and you can't barely curl your own arm weight.

    Wala

    Bruce Lee used to use isometrics in a lot of his exercises. It can be adapted to pretty much every single muscle if you're creative enough. It's just harder to gauge strength gains and it LOOKS like you're not doing anything at all so most people wont do them. There is no metric for success, and exercise freaks are obsessed with their numbers. The actual weight/resistance applied is from the movement of your own body. A lot of it is also mental skill when it comes to recruiting as many muscle fibers as possible. It's also hard to gauge where failure is since you aren't lifting the same weight over and over. You're just moving your body back and forth. You just kind of stop when you've done enough.

    Funny enough, they are the absolute hardest thing to do. You recruit your muscle fibers and then force them under an impossible load. The weight and load on your muscles in that regard is effectively infinite. If you do it correctly you also apply load on concentric and eccentric movement. If you do it with large muscles like lats you should be nearly collapsing after 12 reps or so. Do it for a few sets and you're golden
    Bruce Lee was small, but he was unbelievably and ridiculously strong.

    >Pic rel Bruce Lee doing exactly this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic

      >gets too strong at isometric lat pulldowns
      >levitates into sky
      >fall and die

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is kinda true.
    The main reason he doesn't recommend it is because stuff like sit-ups are grinding and damaging your spine.
    I think a few hanging leg raises here and there is all you'll need.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most people don't need extensive ab routines. HOWEVER, certain body shapes/inflexabilities require core strengthening. I have extremely tight hamstrings so I need to strengthen my core more because the hamstrings will pull at my lower back along with flared? ribs that make it harder to activate my abs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cool blog post.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Give practical reasons from experience to on-topic fitness question
        sorry should have included some ronery post so you could relate?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The "on-topic fitness question" was about isometric training, not your personal struggle with your shitty posture.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i thought pretending to be retarded was a stale meme

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