>you have to squat and deadlift or you won't make any gains Posted on February 13, 2023 by Anonymous >you have to squat and deadlift or you won't make any gains Where did this meme come from?
its unironically true if you're natty. natties who squat and dead actually get thicker and make gains, whereas the copers who dont just remain dyel forever
Good luck ever rowing a respectable amount of weight without the overall structural/postural strength of a good deadlift.
>Good luck ever rowing a respectable amount of weight without the overall structural/postural strength of a good deadlift.
to perform traditional barbell rows, yes, you need a good deadlift. to perform rows on machines, no, you don't need it.
Would you say I'm dyel? I barely ever squat or deadlift and still built a pretty good physique. The reason I don't do those lifts is because they're extremely taxing on me and I also don't want to fuck up my back. I also wasn't really planning on getting muscular at all, I just wanted to be ripped, but then I realised I loved the pump.
>The reason I don't do those lifts is because they're extremely taxing on me and I also don't want to fuck up my back
you won't fuck up your back if you don't egolift and keep good form
I feel you, and I do them the odd time without going too heavy, but I work a job that's very hard on my back already so it just doesn't feel good for me. I don't need someone to convince me to do them, just trying to prove you can clearly build a good physique with mostly isolation work and pull-ups etc
Come on man, you know for a fact you'd have more back strength and stamina if you trained your posterior chain with compounds. I'm a teamster. I install heavy machinery all day long. I squat 3 times a week. It's helped tremendously at work. Loads of guys don't even lift and are out on injury every few months. You know what's going on.
You're fine. Squats and deadlifts are good though. The information is freely out there. It you have any good reason not to deadlift or squat you certainly didn't share it. You don't have to go super heavy or hard, but being taxed by a lift means you've got a lot of growth to obtain in that lift. Your future self will thank you, as compound lifts are great for stability. It can help protect your back if you're doing it correctly, which obviously you would.
You're not stupid. You know the benefits. Your reasons for not doing them are paper thin. I can see right through em. Just be honest with yourself.
The reason I've been able to be consistent with my training is because I've found lifts that I enjoy, there's the kind of pain that I crave, like an excruciating set of pullovers or dumbbell flyes, then there's the kind that I hate, like feeling like I'm going to pass out after a set of deadlifts or squats, knowing I'll be too exhausted to stand afterwards, while also having a worrying feeling in the back of my mind that something might happen to my back. If I had to go through that on a weekly basis, I would probably have given up long ago.
Sure sure, to get you started. I'm not telling you to do anything but I'm seeing your reasoning and seeing a guy who denies clear benefits and gave a bunch of paper thin reasoning until he got to the point: he finds it too hard and is scared he'll mess up.
stay weak and dyel
>arguing against squats and deadlifts
>posts pic that doesn't show legs and back
Screenshot from a video
My back is my best body part. Legs are also pretty good. Calves are big. Will post pics later for proof of the thread is still up, I'm in work rn
>I also wasn't really planning on getting muscular at all, I just wanted to be ripped, but then I realised I loved the pump.
What routine got you this far?
I don't have a routine. I train whatever I feel like 3-4 times a week. Usually whatever feels most recovered.
Here's back. Pull-ups can get you far.
You have the skin of a 55 year old man, good lord
Had super bad acne as a teen. Had to go on accutane. Also had a big growth spurt after high school which left the stretch marks. But yeah post body.
either top 0.001% genetics or roids
the average natty will never reach this body on a "I don't have a routine, I just do whatever I feel like doing" program
so yeah you're either blessed or frauded, good for you if the former
why are you mad about having top 0.001% genetics though
you should be happy
That's not me. I've done plenty of routines and tried almost every exercise you can think of. I know what what works and take things from different routines, like Arnolds chest and back supersets for example which are great. I've tried every great bodybuilders routine, so at this point I know how to just make my own, I write down what I want to do depending on what muscles are lagging and how I feel and I dont ever not complete what I've written down.
>the average natty will never reach this body on a "I don't have a routine, I just do whatever I feel like doing" program
Intuitive training works if you know halfway what you are doing.
Making your own routine is basically the same thing
>Would you say I'm dyel?
looking like christian bale as batman
The truth behind this is that squats and deadlifts kick people's CNS into gear and promotes growth and hormone output
nah I make gains without deadlifting and squats frequently.
The truth is adding 5lbs to squats and 10 to deads every workout trains you into a hole and you get snapped up.
Or you swap programs.
you hit a wall eventually then either just coast on maintenance or slow gains, or embrace more advanced programming
my benchmark is a front squat equal to bench, not hard to get or maintain
Power lifter cope.
Now the power lifter copers who spread this as gospel either look like alcoholic truckers like ripper toe, or train the correct way (kettlebells, weighted calisthenics) like wendles
> train the correct way
> kettlebells, weighted calisthenic
low tier bait. stop trying to confuse noobs
Correct way is a mixture of freeweights and calisthenics for solid muscle building, can't every position with just a barbell.
"Power" lifters who wanted to be olympic weight lifters but failed cuz they are too much of a pussy to even attempt a clean & jerk with no weights on the bar.
Either way, just do zercher deadlift squats, more functional than either of those other forms and will help with fighting same goes to power cleans and push presses.
Every Olympic weightlifter deadlifts and back squats. None of them do muh zercher deadlift squats.
I started squatting and deadlifting since I got a home gym when the covid happened. Before that I was afraid to do them in public gym because I was sure my form would be bad. I think everyone who doesn't do them thinks the same and copes by saying you don't need them. They are actually fun lifts
its true if you don't use anabolics. spotting a roider is actually very easy, they're usually doing every machine and exercise except the big lifts
I skip squats and do trap bar diddlies. I don't believe OP's greentext for a second, but also there's nothing so beast or so real-world applicable as being able to reach down and pick up something massive.
This right here. Compound lifts have tremendous carryover. Squats less so than deads, but deads are harder to do safely.
I wouldn't say you won't make any gains, but you can instantly tell the difference between someone who doesn't squat/deadlift and someone who does.
The guys that do, stand up straighter and have bigger rounder backs. Guys that don't have flatter smaller backs.
what about db deadlifts?
literally IG chick influencer tier exericse
the smart compromise is squatting and dead lifting with moderate weight to strengthen your back and core without risking spinal damage, and then do real leg work on something like a leg extension machine.
>DUDE JUST USE PERFECT FORM 100% OF THE TIME AND AN INJURY CAN LITERALLY NEVER HAPPEN LMAO
Are rack pulls okay though?
they are if you fuck your own sister
I like squatting, but I'm really afraid of deadlifting. It doesn't look like a great think to do with your back.
Deadlift seems to be causing the most injuries between powerlifters:
Body squats at least. Please don't listen to Sam Hyde.
If you have the lower body and you have no upper body, you got a problem. Because if You have the lower body and you have no upper body, you got a problem building...wait a minute. You have the upper body, and you have no legs, you got a problem building your legs. You have the upper...you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, the upper body, it is easier to build. So if you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, it is easier to build the upper body. You have the upper body and you don't have the legs, you got a problem building the lower body... No, you don't understand. You have the upper body, but you don't have the lower body, you got a problem building downstairs. You got the up- legs on the bottom, it is easier to build on the top, so you don't have much as a problem. Yeah.
I have a bad knee so I cant squat or else it hurts, even just body weight squats. What can I do besides a squat? Can working in hip thrust and glute bridges replace them
if your knee hurts its hard to work your leg. Go see a doctor
I feel more muscular when I introduce squats and deadlifts to my workout specially in the core section. I notice almost inmediate changes, like my core seems more ripped than when I have no time and just do upper body. It's kinda weird because I don't know how to explain it, has this shit been researched?
Physiology and strength training / athletic conditioning manuals. It’s science breh
> no squat
NGMI simple as