You zoomers don't know how bad it used to be

If you're in your late 20s or early 30s, you'll remember this. About 10 years ago there was basically like two camps - the roidshitter broscience-tier bodybuilding people with advice straight out of a 2005 muscular development mag, & the SS tards who hated isolation lifts & wanted to 3X5 their way into bloated frogs & would tell any young man who wants to lift weights to get a bit bigger & look better to do the same. There was a very real pressure online, particularly on bb.com, to fall into one of the camps, & even for a young guy who's mostly interested in building muscle, it was easy to be tricked into SS style programming under the promise that it's better for strength so it will be better for size too, since they're apparently the same thing. Or you could go the other way & do set after set, 5X15 nowhere near failure, just pumping

Now both people pushing weider magazine-tier routines with 5 exercises for a single muscle 1X a week, & people pushing 1-5 rep compound only routines for size & general strength not specific to 1 rep while bulking from 20 to 30% bodyfat, are both not taken particularly seriously, & the window for what constitutes productive training & eating has moved to a better place for non-drug using recreational lifters.

Basically what most of us should have been doing the whole time is taking some things from each camp, but basically following like 75% of what the 2010 bodybuilding group said to do while following a couple of principles found more in the SS camp. That's literally it.

If I got chucked in a time machine to visit my 18 year old self but only to talk about lifting & I only had 10 seconds, I'd say, 'Do what the typical bodybuilders say but halve the sets, frequency like1.5X a week instead of 1X a week, do as many as you can on most sets'

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tl,dr

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gramps didn't have ppl

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do remember falling for the SS meme myself and going GOMAD for a month before realizing I became a fat fuck if I went on like that

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but now I know how hard I can push myself before I get snapped up. Everything can be a lesson anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well that actually raises a very interesting question about wasting time, spinning your wheels, doing shit wrong, in the service of eventually gaining a greater knowledge. Personally I really appreciate the knowledge but I wasted way way too much time too

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah lol what the fuck was that all about. Anyway keto or no?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anyway keto or no?
      Keto's good for curing a sugar addiction and appetite management, but it sucks for lifting cause you don't have glycogen.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yep, new people have no idea how bad things where. SS was shilled relentlessly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this wasnt that long ago
      im 20 and when i started using IST when i was like 14 (when i started gym) it was the exact same
      every thread was SS+GOMAD it was a constant beef and i loved it, very funny
      i think most ppl with common sense knew that you need both isolations and compounds, i certainly did although there were loads of people saying deadlift gives you biceps etc etc whatever

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But I’m big enough and just want to get stronger? I’m lean and over 1/2/3/4
    Why do you presume everyone wants to look like a bodybuilder. Looking athletic and lean while being strong is the best of both worlds.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want to get stronger without getting any bigger you can do a bunch of singles for like a month, max out 95% of your neural gains then spin your wheels forever but some people here want to make gains

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Kali Muscle
    >6packshortcut
    >Athlean-X
    >CT Fletcher

    Yep those were the times

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think at one point circa 2011/2012 every single poster on IST had steel cut oats in their pantry
    not that there's anything wrong with oats but the amount of bandwagoning was crazy back in the day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it was a different time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2010-2013 IST was an amazing place
        No no fap threads, picture bait threads, Twitter threads, influencer threads. That cancer sums up over 50% of the board now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It sums up a lot of boards now. It's clearly due to redditors abandoning reddit after ruining it. They're like Californians. They don't understand that they were part of the problem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SQUATZ AND OATZ

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we still have powershitters to this day telling newfags to do strength routines

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've been having the best results in years by training strength with hypertrophy accessories, If only I knew

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got bigger from SS, and didn't get fat because I couldn't afford that much food. I only did SS for 2 months though. Switched to 5/3/1 and was on that for a few years.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >frequency like1.5X a week instead of 1X a week,
    How the hell do you do a set (or do anything, really) 1.5 times a week?
    Your heart's probably in the right place OP but your whole post is just rambling. It's all common sense: do compounds, do isolations, go as heavy as you can handle for good volume, stay lean. Boom: you're now both strong and look good, and you did it without listening to various camps of retards on the internet.
    Life (and fitness) is really not as complicated as people like to make it.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what is the gold standard routine now then?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no gold standard routine but something that vaguely resembles Lyle McDonald's generic bulking routine is more well understood to be the way forward for a lot of people. I'm not specifically saying upper/lower is better but the frequency & volume on that kind of program is what I'm getting at

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