Lol I was literally making this same thread 15 months ago and burned through a ton of adderall. you'll end up not sleeping which will completely counteract your mental benefits. plus you'll need to be drinking lots of electrolytes to keep your brain from melting down.
>plus you'll need to be drinking lots of electrolytes to keep your brain from melting down.
Why electrolytes in specific?
Have you improved since 15 months ago?
Brave New World. I've accepted that this is the new normal. When I tried to fight against it I got so damn worn down that I was close to suicide. Lost 5 years of my life being a NEET.
>americans
Europeans are so dependent they had to pool their money together to get drugs sponsored by taxes. It's one thing to spend your own money on booze. It's another to get your friends to pay for your addiction like a bunch of high schoolers scraping money for a six pack
not american, but because this shit allows you to do so much better than "basic function"
It's like being a billionaire and having unlimited money. Sure, with a billion dollars you could spend whatever and probably still be rich, but you're still subject to the economy's fluctuations, taxes etc. With unlimited money you could whatever.
It's the same thing with focus and energy. Without this shit you can still focus easily and whatnot, however, your brain can't keep 100% capacity for hours on end.
With stimulants, you could spend 18 hours focusing on some math problem with no sweat.
I can't get this in my shithole country that has very strict regulations on ADHD meds. Can I just microdose street speed (which is amphetamine sulphate not meth) and use that? Downside is its like 40% pure tops. The rest is probably caffeine, ephedrine, and some innocuous adulterants.
>prescription is stuck in "pending" at the pharmacy for a week >go ask them about it for a second time >they do some shit on the computer >"Oh okay it'll be ready in an hour"
REEEEEE
Potentially, I guess. Adderall is nothing more than 50/50 D and L isomer Amphetamine. Street speed should be all D-Amp, but Dextroamphetamine alone is prescribed for ADD as well so that's not unusual.
You would have to actually carefully measure and dose the stuff at just above the threshold level to get what you want without just being a speed freak.
>the shortage.
yeah, the FDA is a joke > 2 years of locking people inside > millions of people now working from home where distractions are multiplied
surprised when tons of people find out they are ADD as hell and want to get on meds that fight that
Note that the "shortage" is entirely an FDA thing - it's a very, very easy drug to make, it isn't a supply problem in a manufacturing sense - it's a supply thing because the FDA caps its production and import.
>male nurse
So you're a brainlet dropout who only gives performance enhancing drugs to lazy morons who are liable to abuse them, and not to people who are shown to be responsible with their lives. Not helping your case here, ~~*buddy*~~!
>brainlet dropout
My old primary care always said that he wished he'd just been a nurse. Said the pay gap wasn't enough to rationalize all the extra school/stress/money.
I almost went to medical school and every doctor in my extended family said they thought it was a dying industry and in the future all our doctors would be imports (apparently this is becoming the case in the UK - can you euro-friends confirm?)
Ironically I'm a "doctor" now - PhD, not MD, engineering.
It ruined my life. I got addicted to it after 5 years and all the benefits turned into a living nightmare for me
>It ruined my life. I got addicted to it after 5 years and all the benefits turned into a living nightmare for me
You one of those people who it made their ADD worse? Like hyperfused on BS, or just couldn't stand the fatigue when it wasn't in your system?
Adderal suppresses appetite too much to be conducive to efficiency gaining muscle. Better to just take caffeine intermittently through your workout imo
>Adderal suppresses appetite
Never was a thing for me, IDK.
unless you actually have adhd, these are only good for enjoying porn
>only good for enjoying porn
how is that? beating it for way longer just to try and come?
amphetamine and methamphetamine are different drugs. why is it so difficult for you americans to understand
>amphetamine and methamphetamine are different drugs
I love how people show a drawing of each and point out how little of a difference, not knowing that tiny difference in chemical structure make completely different things. I can't remember the one drug that is identical in composition, but one branch is on one side vs the other - one is a medicine, the other is highly toxic.
>Adderall is nothing more than 50/50 D and L isomer Amphetamine
It's closer to 3:1, but the l isomer is far worse for your cardiac health and doesn't stimulate your brain as much as the d isomer. Only the d isomer should be prescribed, but pharmaisraelite companies are too lazy to separate them.
I'd tell you to ask the male nurse but he's a fricking queer dropout loser.
Anyway, vyvanse is lisdex, which metabolizes in dex (the d isomer). That having been said, there are "differences" in medications (even with generics) due to factors such as bioavailability due to other chemicals added to certain formulations such as synthetic polymer vehicles/dispersants and such that are added to pills.
But I'd wager that any cardiac and/or cognitive effects will be at a similar or *weaker* level with vyvanse. lisdex is basically l-lysine attached to dex. Your body just separates them. Drug manufacturers do this because they want chemists to have to go through more work to separate them outside of the body.
Drug laws are gay, but effectively it's going to be close once once inside your body. The active ingredient will be the same once it's metabolized. But, again, remember that just because an active ingredient is the same, things like bioavailability and dosing are different. The dex is what you want, which is precisely why government do *not* want you to have it.
So hold up, basically Vyvanse is like Dexedrine except it's bonded to a molecule that doesn't allow you to abuse it?
How's that a bad thing exactly?
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>How's that a bad thing exactly?
It probably decreases effectiveness via lower bioavailability at equivalent dosages. It doesn't change the abuse profile too much, either. It just shows how stupid it is to rube ~~*goldberg*~~ around just providing the active ingredient to someone. Also, there aren't IR versions because the body has to metabolize it, only XR. XR versions of stimulants can put longer term stress on someone's body when all they really need is a quick boost through an IR formulation.
Things that add unnecessary complexity and reduced choice for people are inherently bad, and you shouldn't simp to pharmaisraelites.
9 months ago
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How come you're okay with Dexedrine but against pharmaisraelites?
They created that toxic garbage to begin with.
9 months ago
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If your mental capabilities are so low that you can't elucidate the difference between pharmaisraelites, i.e. modern pharmaceutical tyranny, and pharmaceuticals themselves (even if developed at corporate labs) pre-drug wars, then there's no helping you.
9 months ago
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>toxic
lol what? the ingredient in dexedrine was developed by a chemist a hundred years ago, not by the pharmaceutical industry
Shitty bath tub made street drugs are different than factory grade controlled pharmaceuticals prescribed by trained professionals with years of schooling and field work you numb nuts
>prescription is stuck in "pending" at the pharmacy for a week >go ask them about it for a second time >they do some shit on the computer >"Oh okay it'll be ready in an hour"
REEEEEE
Potentially, I guess. Adderall is nothing more than 50/50 D and L isomer Amphetamine. Street speed should be all D-Amp, but Dextroamphetamine alone is prescribed for ADD as well so that's not unusual.
You would have to actually carefully measure and dose the stuff at just above the threshold level to get what you want without just being a speed freak.
"Adderall and Mydayis are trade names for a combination drug called mixed amphetamine salts containing four salts of amphetamine. The mixture is composed of equal parts racemic amphetamine and dextroamphetamine, which produces a (3:1) ratio between dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine, the two enantiomers of amphetamine."
Street speed is usually just a 1:1 racemic. Separating enantiomers is somewhat difficult and it at least halves the overall yield - no one is doing that in their clandestine lab just to sell to some rave-goers.
Miss the college days of Tums + taking Adderall at the exact top of the hour on an empty stomach and then taking some kratom 4 hours in to smooth out the comedian. shit was cash and I did so well in my classes
i recently got prescribed adderall. I take the lowest dose, xr. I opened up some shit I wanted to do on my laptop and actually did it.
It's so hard to know if I actually have adhd legitimately because of the army of people who also claim to have it. But, after years of failing to be disciplined with shit I gave it a shot.
It really works. Worried about potential side effects to my heart, though. But just taking it two days a week rn.
Any of you on this stuff long term? Has it changed your life for the better?
2 days a week lowest dose, absolutely no problem long term. just enjoy your honey moon phase while it lasts and get as much done as possible. also great time to integrate new positive habits. if you ever notice a reduced effect or side effects like anxiety, make sure you eat/drink enough and get enough rest. if that's the case, it's time to make a decision. the options I see are either up the dose or take a break. If you're at a critical part of your life, like getting your diploma, I'd upp the dose. Not getting that piece of paper which can set you for life does way more harm than few years of medical amph use. but otherwise, I'd opt for a break of a week or two. especially during vacations.
t. 4th year dexamph user
ADHD doesn’t exist. good luck being the only person I’ve ever talked to that doesn’t gain issues with the drug. I would bet my life savings that in a few months you’ll talk to your doctor and say your “symptoms” are coming back so you’ll need 10mg more per day. This will go on for a few years and you won’t even notice how different you are. You will soon find you open your laptop or go out and your productivity becomes more and more degenerate. Best of luck. You’re in the system now. Actually let’s accelerate, go buy a pack of cigarettes and see how nice it mixes with your “medication”. Or just buy Zyn, pure nicotine, which has the same medical value as your other prescription. Try and work out what I’m saying.
I'm thinking of taking those and just cruising on these for college. I've already had basic experiences taking low and high doses of concerta (country doesn't allow adderall). From personal experience, it seemed like it was worth it and didn't really have negative consequences. However, do you guys have any idea on how long you can cruise on it and if you should take electrolytes or whatever else to not brainrot ?
You will burn out your dopamine receptors and tank your strength as you won't eat and your nervous system will get fatigued. Also enjoy sleeping for 15 hours yet waking up drained, once you finally manage to sleep that is.
this. I lost over a year of my life to this evil shit, the doctors would not take my off of it no matter how obvious it was I was popping them like candy, they would just give me more or a higher dose.
>pseudo meth
it's not psuedo meth, it is meth. My girlfriend works in the psychopharmacological industry and recently told me that pretty much no insurance covers therapy with out at least THREE diagnoses . So no matter what, everyone who comes in gets depression and anxiety and usually next is some form of ASD or trauma. And if the therapists don't sign off on these diagnoses, they don't get paid.
NTA but at higher(but still commonly prescribed) doses the effect matrix between the two starts to blur a lot, which makes sense because the only real difference is delivery/the way the body processes it.
How did you go about getting a prescription?
I'm thinking about using some meme service that you pay a membership for, where they basically diagnose you over the phone and even deliver your drugs to your door in some states
This seems like my best option because I don't have insurance and when I did have insurance, the actual doctor just wanted to prescribe antidepressants
Teledoc amphetamine prescription has been cracked down on after the boom during covid. You will struggle to get an rx that way these days and there is still a big amphetamine shortage, especially if you are constrained to just generic adderall since you don't have insurance. Anything else will cost several hundreds of dollars for a 30 day supply without insurance.
I know of one person who just got a prescription over the phone, and judging by the website of this service I'm looking at, it seems to still be in full operation
Maybe it depends on the state
It varies but a lot of it has been cracked down on and there are pharmacies that don't even take teledoc rxs. Go for it if you want but don't be surprised if you run into a roadblock, also you have no insurance(and no or little income I assume) to pay for the meds even if you get through. I'm pretty sure even a month of generic adderall runs for ~$100, and that's if you can find it in stock. Non generic or other meds don't even bother it'll probably be $500+
In other words, probably try something else or at least have something else in the works while you attempt to get it.
I'm in the process of getting the free version of my state's public insurance, which I didn't even know was a thing until recently. So hopefully that insurance will at least cover a portion of it. I personally have ~$200, but a few things I'd be willing to sell. You're correct that I am basically NEETing, unless self studying web development counts as education lol. I'm hoping that getting on either Adderall or Vyvanse will make it easier to maintain a job, and maybe even go to community college in the Spring because my state just granted free community college to 25+ y/o losers who don't have degrees already
>I personally have ~$200, but a few things I'd be willing to sell. You're correct that I am basically NEETing >25+ y/o >maintain a job >community college
Adderall is not a magic pill that is going to fix you, in all likelihood it could make your situation worse. As you can see from the other degenerate posts in this thread it is an extremely popular drug of abuse and patients already at rock bottom with no structure in life generally don't do very well with it in anything other than the short-term. It can be a significant benefit for some with ADHD but you clearly have a million other problems going on and should probably start somewhere other than trying to acquire pharmaceutical speed.
Also even with insurance the medication can still run around $60/month or more depending on your plan and a lot of states and doctors require things like monthly check-in appointments, urine tests, therapy co-treatment, etc., all of which will have copays or other fees.
>I personally have ~$200, but a few things I'd be willing to sell. You're correct that I am basically NEETing >25+ y/o >maintain a job >community college
Adderall is not a magic pill that is going to fix you, in all likelihood it could make your situation worse. As you can see from the other degenerate posts in this thread it is an extremely popular drug of abuse and patients already at rock bottom with no structure in life generally don't do very well with it in anything other than the short-term. It can be a significant benefit for some with ADHD but you clearly have a million other problems going on and should probably start somewhere other than trying to acquire pharmaceutical speed.
Also even with insurance the medication can still run around $60/month or more depending on your plan and a lot of states and doctors require things like monthly check-in appointments, urine tests, therapy co-treatment, etc., all of which will have copays or other fees.
Adding to this - I realize it's probably not your intention to abuse it or anything like that, but doctors will 100% be looking at you sideways when you come in at your age asking for a first time ADHD prescription. Then when they hear you're an uneducated NEET, all but the most open-minded doctors will 360 out of the room.
Not what you want to hear but it's the reality you will likely encounter. You are really far outside of the socially acceptable range for ADHD meds and most doctors don't want to bother assuming the liability even if it may theoretically help you.
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This is what I'm worried about happening if I use a real doctor. Back when I was still on my dad's insurance, I attempted to get a diagnosis, but the doctor only wanted to try antidepressants. I feel like there's probably a way to go about that would result in them at least letting me try one out, as long as I don't come off as a drug seeking loser. I almost wonder if I could get away with lying about being a NEET, but I would probably crumble under any amount of scrutiny. But if I just vaguely say something like, "I keep losing focus while meeting with prospective clients," and they don't question it further, kek
it will definitely make it easier to find a job and keep it
I got prescribed ADHD meds at 30 years old and told my doctor I self diagnosed myself and believe I have adhd, he referred me to a psychiatrist who was more than happy to prescribe me shit after a 3 minute interview
don't let the other guy fud you
How did you go about it? And were already employed and had your life relatively in order?
9 months ago
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>How did you go about it? And were already employed and had your life relatively in order?
no, I was unemployed but also injured at the time
how did I go about it? I booked a dr. appointment, and spoke on the phone and told him I read online about ADHD and my symptoms match up, then when I spoke to the psych I just recited the symptoms I had that matched adhd descriptions
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they even asked me if I've ever taken adhd medicine before and I told the psych I did take dex at a party and remember feeling much more eloquent and as if my mind worked better
he thought that was a good sign and prescribed the dex to me
just be honest and forthrite, tell them you're neet, tell them you're life quality is low and you believe if you can medicate then you can move forward and have better chances at getting employment
I don't know why you're stressed, I didn't even have any thought of being judged as a junkie or whatever, I was totally upfront; like look, I'm all distracted n shit, I want drugs to sort me out
9 months ago
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I asked my GP for dex and he said no, even though I was a high performing student in STEM getting a masters degree at the time. Was pissed as frick and just took my friend's addy to the chem lab at my uni and did the chiral resolution myself. Had to be in lab for work anyway, so wasn't a big deal, but I was furious.
9 months ago
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>even though I was a high performing student in STEM getting a masters degree at the time.
That's why he didn't give it to you dumb frick. They only give it to people that are struggling in life. If you're high performing and doing a masters it shows that you did just fine without it.
9 months ago
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That doesn't make any sense. So something that improves a person should only be given to lazy morons? Huh? Are you fricking braindead?
9 months ago
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Hey dumb frick, I'm a nurse at a psychiatric office. Your story stinks of shit the moment you walk in the door.
9 months ago
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>male nurse
So you're a brainlet dropout who only gives performance enhancing drugs to lazy morons who are liable to abuse them, and not to people who are shown to be responsible with their lives. Not helping your case here, ~~*buddy*~~!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Let me make this very easy for you to follow, ADHD is a disability that causes symptoms (boils down to not being able to function properly), medication (stimulants) are given to patients to counteract those symptoms.
You do not display those symptoms therefore you are not treated for ADHD, therefore you are not given medication.
Understand now?
Frick off and don't reply to me brainlet.
9 months ago
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>Let me make this very easy for you to follow blah blah blah
Yea, not reading any more from a fricking dropout loser.
9 months ago
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I understand reading is difficult. I clear well over six figures while working primarily remote and less than 30 hours a week.
Enjoy your shit life dork!
9 months ago
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I understand reading is difficult. I clear well over six figures while working primarily remote and less than 30 hours a week.
Enjoy your shit life dork!
it will definitely make it easier to find a job and keep it
I got prescribed ADHD meds at 30 years old and told my doctor I self diagnosed myself and believe I have adhd, he referred me to a psychiatrist who was more than happy to prescribe me shit after a 3 minute interview
don't let the other guy fud you
>be me >probably mild ADHD and lazy but always did well on placement exams, skipped a grade, etc. >take adderall for a few years in late college and early career >feel like I'm putting out so much effort yet I'm actually performing the same or sometimes even worse >fail exam for my job after what felt like trying my ass off >"frick this shit" >take a different exam 6 months later(similar difficulty but different material) >feel like I'm slacking off and only putting in 1-2 hours a day >pass exam >way happier and healthier life all the while
Yeah I don't know. Amphetamine makes me feel great and it makes me feel like I'm making so much progress but it doesn't show up in the results. Studies have shown similar results. Make sure you're quantifying and measuring your results/output to see if the drug is truly helping you or not. I've seen a lot of friends go down the same route.
tl;dr Adderall/amphetamines aren't all they're cracked up to be, even if you feel like they're helping.
Was in the same boat and glad I got out.
I thought I was being so productive when in reality I was just feeling good. Then came the crashes.
Doing SO much better now off of it.
I have been taking dextroamphetamine since September 2020 and am still taking 5mg 1x a day, instant release in the morning before I leave the house for work. With this stuff less is more IMO. A bit too much and you're hit with anxiety, loss of appetite, tweakiness, insomnia, paranoia etc.
Take weekends off and every now and then do a full reset of like 1 month off. It can be sustainable but if you keep upping your dose you will get fried. Mood swings are something to watch out for as well.
It's not some kind of super drug or anything, it just makes going to work somewhat tolerable, helps to curb the suicidal thoughts a bit.
how you gonna tell me homie? i have shoulder length hair and started noticing a huge increase in hair falling out 2 months after starting a dex prescription. I quit taking it and hair loss went back to normal
You're not supposed to take the shit every day, moron. It's a pick me up for getting your body out of the doldrums or if you have to make a huge push where you need 110+% productivity for a few days during a crunch.
whats the easyest way to get a script for this stuff, ive just been using street speed and want to try the pharma stuff. are those online pill mills for adhd still a thing, if so can anyone recommend one.
Adderal suppresses appetite too much to be conducive to efficiency gaining muscle. Better to just take caffeine intermittently through your workout imo
i have legit issues focusing on stuff, and no motivation to start anything. even doing like playing a game my mind feels like it just starts drifting away.
does adderal help with that?
i just want to be able to focus again it feels like hell sometimes.
gonna see a doctor soon regardless.
In my experience, it did not help with motivation. It can increase hyperfocus, but you still have to be selective about what you’re focusing on. Otherwise you may focus on something entirely nonproductive. I’ve struggled with ADD my entire life, and to be honest, approaching focus as a skill to be practiced and improved has helped me far more than anything else.
im not even sure if it's just a motivation thing. i definitely have some sort of depression, and lots of social anxiety. im 6 months into going to the gym every 2 days, but i started by going to at like 2am just to avoid people. im not on any medication currently, and im in the hopes that in 6 more months ill be at the point where i have confidence in myself and thatll snowball into better mental health.
but in terms of medications, the thing i hate so much is like i said complete lack of focus, and i feel like my memory has degraded a ton. i did really good in school up to ~20 years old, but now i feel like a complete idiot who can barely remember things (30 years old.)
ill talk to a doctor and see what they recommend, but i guess if anyone relates to this and knows what helps i'm open to ideas.
Stopped taking my Ritalin after about 3 months because it didn’t really change much. The biggest thing to help me lower my ADHD symptoms was getting a job.
What are those fricking orange flavored chewable Adderall or some shit
It's Dexedrine, but I doubt anyone knows what that is so I just said Adderall
You posted a pic of the pills tho
Dextroamphetamine sulfate 10mg
Is printed on them
dexedrine isn't produced anymore, it's zenzedi now and they come in weird colours
I take the generic version.
In my part of Australia, people used to never know what adderall was. All the uni students were taking "dexies" or they'd just say amphetamine.
RIP gains
But the mental gains will be insane
Lol I was literally making this same thread 15 months ago and burned through a ton of adderall. you'll end up not sleeping which will completely counteract your mental benefits. plus you'll need to be drinking lots of electrolytes to keep your brain from melting down.
>plus you'll need to be drinking lots of electrolytes to keep your brain from melting down.
Why electrolytes in specific?
Have you improved since 15 months ago?
bullshit. I take vyvanse everyday for years and my electrolytes are fine. just got it checked the other day
yeah I drink coffee everyday this guys full of shit
Spamming adderall is incredible on a cut. Also cigarettes on adderall but thats some degen shit you guys aren’t ready to hear about.
Why are americans incapable of basic function without pharmaceutical aid?
Brave New World. I've accepted that this is the new normal. When I tried to fight against it I got so damn worn down that I was close to suicide. Lost 5 years of my life being a NEET.
>americans
Europeans are so dependent they had to pool their money together to get drugs sponsored by taxes. It's one thing to spend your own money on booze. It's another to get your friends to pay for your addiction like a bunch of high schoolers scraping money for a six pack
not american, but because this shit allows you to do so much better than "basic function"
It's like being a billionaire and having unlimited money. Sure, with a billion dollars you could spend whatever and probably still be rich, but you're still subject to the economy's fluctuations, taxes etc. With unlimited money you could whatever.
It's the same thing with focus and energy. Without this shit you can still focus easily and whatnot, however, your brain can't keep 100% capacity for hours on end.
With stimulants, you could spend 18 hours focusing on some math problem with no sweat.
I can't get this in my shithole country that has very strict regulations on ADHD meds. Can I just microdose street speed (which is amphetamine sulphate not meth) and use that? Downside is its like 40% pure tops. The rest is probably caffeine, ephedrine, and some innocuous adulterants.
You're a joke.
Not helpful
>prescription is stuck in "pending" at the pharmacy for a week
>go ask them about it for a second time
>they do some shit on the computer
>"Oh okay it'll be ready in an hour"
REEEEEE
Potentially, I guess. Adderall is nothing more than 50/50 D and L isomer Amphetamine. Street speed should be all D-Amp, but Dextroamphetamine alone is prescribed for ADD as well so that's not unusual.
You would have to actually carefully measure and dose the stuff at just above the threshold level to get what you want without just being a speed freak.
Yeah you have to bug them because of all of the shortage.
Frick the DEA. Suddenly cut supply when demand goes through the roof fricking cartel.
>the shortage.
yeah, the FDA is a joke
> 2 years of locking people inside
> millions of people now working from home where distractions are multiplied
surprised when tons of people find out they are ADD as hell and want to get on meds that fight that
Note that the "shortage" is entirely an FDA thing - it's a very, very easy drug to make, it isn't a supply problem in a manufacturing sense - it's a supply thing because the FDA caps its production and import.
>brainlet dropout
My old primary care always said that he wished he'd just been a nurse. Said the pay gap wasn't enough to rationalize all the extra school/stress/money.
I almost went to medical school and every doctor in my extended family said they thought it was a dying industry and in the future all our doctors would be imports (apparently this is becoming the case in the UK - can you euro-friends confirm?)
Ironically I'm a "doctor" now - PhD, not MD, engineering.
>It ruined my life. I got addicted to it after 5 years and all the benefits turned into a living nightmare for me
You one of those people who it made their ADD worse? Like hyperfused on BS, or just couldn't stand the fatigue when it wasn't in your system?
>Adderal suppresses appetite
Never was a thing for me, IDK.
>only good for enjoying porn
how is that? beating it for way longer just to try and come?
>amphetamine and methamphetamine are different drugs
I love how people show a drawing of each and point out how little of a difference, not knowing that tiny difference in chemical structure make completely different things. I can't remember the one drug that is identical in composition, but one branch is on one side vs the other - one is a medicine, the other is highly toxic.
>Adderall is nothing more than 50/50 D and L isomer Amphetamine
It's closer to 3:1, but the l isomer is far worse for your cardiac health and doesn't stimulate your brain as much as the d isomer. Only the d isomer should be prescribed, but pharmaisraelite companies are too lazy to separate them.
is vyvanise better for your heart? That's the main shit I'm worried about. I just want a low dose on weekends for programming and to keep my heart ok.
I'd tell you to ask the male nurse but he's a fricking queer dropout loser.
Anyway, vyvanse is lisdex, which metabolizes in dex (the d isomer). That having been said, there are "differences" in medications (even with generics) due to factors such as bioavailability due to other chemicals added to certain formulations such as synthetic polymer vehicles/dispersants and such that are added to pills.
But I'd wager that any cardiac and/or cognitive effects will be at a similar or *weaker* level with vyvanse. lisdex is basically l-lysine attached to dex. Your body just separates them. Drug manufacturers do this because they want chemists to have to go through more work to separate them outside of the body.
Drug laws are gay, but effectively it's going to be close once once inside your body. The active ingredient will be the same once it's metabolized. But, again, remember that just because an active ingredient is the same, things like bioavailability and dosing are different. The dex is what you want, which is precisely why government do *not* want you to have it.
spaghettied my post on mobile, sorry about that but you can probably understand it
Yes thank you for the info
You're welcome. Be careful, and of course be mindful of addiction.
So hold up, basically Vyvanse is like Dexedrine except it's bonded to a molecule that doesn't allow you to abuse it?
How's that a bad thing exactly?
>How's that a bad thing exactly?
It probably decreases effectiveness via lower bioavailability at equivalent dosages. It doesn't change the abuse profile too much, either. It just shows how stupid it is to rube ~~*goldberg*~~ around just providing the active ingredient to someone. Also, there aren't IR versions because the body has to metabolize it, only XR. XR versions of stimulants can put longer term stress on someone's body when all they really need is a quick boost through an IR formulation.
Things that add unnecessary complexity and reduced choice for people are inherently bad, and you shouldn't simp to pharmaisraelites.
How come you're okay with Dexedrine but against pharmaisraelites?
They created that toxic garbage to begin with.
If your mental capabilities are so low that you can't elucidate the difference between pharmaisraelites, i.e. modern pharmaceutical tyranny, and pharmaceuticals themselves (even if developed at corporate labs) pre-drug wars, then there's no helping you.
>toxic
lol what? the ingredient in dexedrine was developed by a chemist a hundred years ago, not by the pharmaceutical industry
vyvanse fricking sucks.
>addysafe.org for risk mitigation
>"let me take street drugs that'll fix my problems!!!!"
moron
>Drugs have never solved ANYTHING EVER
Shitty bath tub made street drugs are different than factory grade controlled pharmaceuticals prescribed by trained professionals with years of schooling and field work you numb nuts
Been there, done that. The answer is: Nope.
"Adderall and Mydayis are trade names for a combination drug called mixed amphetamine salts containing four salts of amphetamine. The mixture is composed of equal parts racemic amphetamine and dextroamphetamine, which produces a (3:1) ratio between dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine, the two enantiomers of amphetamine."
Street speed is usually just a 1:1 racemic. Separating enantiomers is somewhat difficult and it at least halves the overall yield - no one is doing that in their clandestine lab just to sell to some rave-goers.
Quaaludes are better.
Miss the college days of Tums + taking Adderall at the exact top of the hour on an empty stomach and then taking some kratom 4 hours in to smooth out the comedian. shit was cash and I did so well in my classes
>to smooth out the comedian
Yeah that makes sense. I take kratom to avoid going Joker mode every day
comedown, frick
can you boof Adderall? the days of needing it are over for me and I don't have well connected college friends anymore, but I maybe missed out.
Once you boof it, you can't go back 100x better than tums method.
i recently got prescribed adderall. I take the lowest dose, xr. I opened up some shit I wanted to do on my laptop and actually did it.
It's so hard to know if I actually have adhd legitimately because of the army of people who also claim to have it. But, after years of failing to be disciplined with shit I gave it a shot.
It really works. Worried about potential side effects to my heart, though. But just taking it two days a week rn.
Any of you on this stuff long term? Has it changed your life for the better?
2 days a week lowest dose, absolutely no problem long term. just enjoy your honey moon phase while it lasts and get as much done as possible. also great time to integrate new positive habits. if you ever notice a reduced effect or side effects like anxiety, make sure you eat/drink enough and get enough rest. if that's the case, it's time to make a decision. the options I see are either up the dose or take a break. If you're at a critical part of your life, like getting your diploma, I'd upp the dose. Not getting that piece of paper which can set you for life does way more harm than few years of medical amph use. but otherwise, I'd opt for a break of a week or two. especially during vacations.
t. 4th year dexamph user
when you say honeymoon phase, are you implying that it'll wear off eventually even with moderate use?
You can tell by how someone writes that they just took their “medication” and it’s peaking. In an hour and a half he’ll re-up.
My favorite is the 4000 word paragraph posts by people asking if their medication is working correctly or some other moronic question.
It ruined my life. I got addicted to it after 5 years and all the benefits turned into a living nightmare for me
ADHD doesn’t exist. good luck being the only person I’ve ever talked to that doesn’t gain issues with the drug. I would bet my life savings that in a few months you’ll talk to your doctor and say your “symptoms” are coming back so you’ll need 10mg more per day. This will go on for a few years and you won’t even notice how different you are. You will soon find you open your laptop or go out and your productivity becomes more and more degenerate. Best of luck. You’re in the system now. Actually let’s accelerate, go buy a pack of cigarettes and see how nice it mixes with your “medication”. Or just buy Zyn, pure nicotine, which has the same medical value as your other prescription. Try and work out what I’m saying.
Pathetic
I'm thinking of taking those and just cruising on these for college. I've already had basic experiences taking low and high doses of concerta (country doesn't allow adderall). From personal experience, it seemed like it was worth it and didn't really have negative consequences. However, do you guys have any idea on how long you can cruise on it and if you should take electrolytes or whatever else to not brainrot ?
How practical is buying this shit off the dark web?
Usually pressed pills anon
Imagine trusting some scummy frick selling you something like that
You will burn out your dopamine receptors and tank your strength as you won't eat and your nervous system will get fatigued. Also enjoy sleeping for 15 hours yet waking up drained, once you finally manage to sleep that is.
t. On and off speed junkie.
this. I lost over a year of my life to this evil shit, the doctors would not take my off of it no matter how obvious it was I was popping them like candy, they would just give me more or a higher dose.
Is taking Adderall really that common in college? I understand it's difficult but I never feel I need pseudo meth.
it's just the easiest place to get it. loads of kids with prescriptions selling it.
>pseudo meth
it's not psuedo meth, it is meth. My girlfriend works in the psychopharmacological industry and recently told me that pretty much no insurance covers therapy with out at least THREE diagnoses . So no matter what, everyone who comes in gets depression and anxiety and usually next is some form of ASD or trauma. And if the therapists don't sign off on these diagnoses, they don't get paid.
amphetamine and methamphetamine are different drugs. why is it so difficult for you americans to understand
NTA but at higher(but still commonly prescribed) doses the effect matrix between the two starts to blur a lot, which makes sense because the only real difference is delivery/the way the body processes it.
How did you go about getting a prescription?
I'm thinking about using some meme service that you pay a membership for, where they basically diagnose you over the phone and even deliver your drugs to your door in some states
This seems like my best option because I don't have insurance and when I did have insurance, the actual doctor just wanted to prescribe antidepressants
Teledoc amphetamine prescription has been cracked down on after the boom during covid. You will struggle to get an rx that way these days and there is still a big amphetamine shortage, especially if you are constrained to just generic adderall since you don't have insurance. Anything else will cost several hundreds of dollars for a 30 day supply without insurance.
Government shut down a bunch of those types of operations. They're even requiring patients to visit the doctor in office now.
I know of one person who just got a prescription over the phone, and judging by the website of this service I'm looking at, it seems to still be in full operation
Maybe it depends on the state
It varies but a lot of it has been cracked down on and there are pharmacies that don't even take teledoc rxs. Go for it if you want but don't be surprised if you run into a roadblock, also you have no insurance(and no or little income I assume) to pay for the meds even if you get through. I'm pretty sure even a month of generic adderall runs for ~$100, and that's if you can find it in stock. Non generic or other meds don't even bother it'll probably be $500+
In other words, probably try something else or at least have something else in the works while you attempt to get it.
I'm in the process of getting the free version of my state's public insurance, which I didn't even know was a thing until recently. So hopefully that insurance will at least cover a portion of it. I personally have ~$200, but a few things I'd be willing to sell. You're correct that I am basically NEETing, unless self studying web development counts as education lol. I'm hoping that getting on either Adderall or Vyvanse will make it easier to maintain a job, and maybe even go to community college in the Spring because my state just granted free community college to 25+ y/o losers who don't have degrees already
>I personally have ~$200, but a few things I'd be willing to sell. You're correct that I am basically NEETing
>25+ y/o
>maintain a job
>community college
Adderall is not a magic pill that is going to fix you, in all likelihood it could make your situation worse. As you can see from the other degenerate posts in this thread it is an extremely popular drug of abuse and patients already at rock bottom with no structure in life generally don't do very well with it in anything other than the short-term. It can be a significant benefit for some with ADHD but you clearly have a million other problems going on and should probably start somewhere other than trying to acquire pharmaceutical speed.
Also even with insurance the medication can still run around $60/month or more depending on your plan and a lot of states and doctors require things like monthly check-in appointments, urine tests, therapy co-treatment, etc., all of which will have copays or other fees.
Adding to this - I realize it's probably not your intention to abuse it or anything like that, but doctors will 100% be looking at you sideways when you come in at your age asking for a first time ADHD prescription. Then when they hear you're an uneducated NEET, all but the most open-minded doctors will 360 out of the room.
Not what you want to hear but it's the reality you will likely encounter. You are really far outside of the socially acceptable range for ADHD meds and most doctors don't want to bother assuming the liability even if it may theoretically help you.
This is what I'm worried about happening if I use a real doctor. Back when I was still on my dad's insurance, I attempted to get a diagnosis, but the doctor only wanted to try antidepressants. I feel like there's probably a way to go about that would result in them at least letting me try one out, as long as I don't come off as a drug seeking loser. I almost wonder if I could get away with lying about being a NEET, but I would probably crumble under any amount of scrutiny. But if I just vaguely say something like, "I keep losing focus while meeting with prospective clients," and they don't question it further, kek
How did you go about it? And were already employed and had your life relatively in order?
>How did you go about it? And were already employed and had your life relatively in order?
no, I was unemployed but also injured at the time
how did I go about it? I booked a dr. appointment, and spoke on the phone and told him I read online about ADHD and my symptoms match up, then when I spoke to the psych I just recited the symptoms I had that matched adhd descriptions
they even asked me if I've ever taken adhd medicine before and I told the psych I did take dex at a party and remember feeling much more eloquent and as if my mind worked better
he thought that was a good sign and prescribed the dex to me
just be honest and forthrite, tell them you're neet, tell them you're life quality is low and you believe if you can medicate then you can move forward and have better chances at getting employment
I don't know why you're stressed, I didn't even have any thought of being judged as a junkie or whatever, I was totally upfront; like look, I'm all distracted n shit, I want drugs to sort me out
I asked my GP for dex and he said no, even though I was a high performing student in STEM getting a masters degree at the time. Was pissed as frick and just took my friend's addy to the chem lab at my uni and did the chiral resolution myself. Had to be in lab for work anyway, so wasn't a big deal, but I was furious.
>even though I was a high performing student in STEM getting a masters degree at the time.
That's why he didn't give it to you dumb frick. They only give it to people that are struggling in life. If you're high performing and doing a masters it shows that you did just fine without it.
That doesn't make any sense. So something that improves a person should only be given to lazy morons? Huh? Are you fricking braindead?
Hey dumb frick, I'm a nurse at a psychiatric office. Your story stinks of shit the moment you walk in the door.
>male nurse
So you're a brainlet dropout who only gives performance enhancing drugs to lazy morons who are liable to abuse them, and not to people who are shown to be responsible with their lives. Not helping your case here, ~~*buddy*~~!
Let me make this very easy for you to follow, ADHD is a disability that causes symptoms (boils down to not being able to function properly), medication (stimulants) are given to patients to counteract those symptoms.
You do not display those symptoms therefore you are not treated for ADHD, therefore you are not given medication.
Understand now?
Frick off and don't reply to me brainlet.
>Let me make this very easy for you to follow blah blah blah
Yea, not reading any more from a fricking dropout loser.
I understand reading is difficult. I clear well over six figures while working primarily remote and less than 30 hours a week.
Enjoy your shit life dork!
you're both moronic failures, stfu
Any hot babes at the nurses' station anon?
it will definitely make it easier to find a job and keep it
I got prescribed ADHD meds at 30 years old and told my doctor I self diagnosed myself and believe I have adhd, he referred me to a psychiatrist who was more than happy to prescribe me shit after a 3 minute interview
don't let the other guy fud you
>be me
>probably mild ADHD and lazy but always did well on placement exams, skipped a grade, etc.
>take adderall for a few years in late college and early career
>feel like I'm putting out so much effort yet I'm actually performing the same or sometimes even worse
>fail exam for my job after what felt like trying my ass off
>"frick this shit"
>take a different exam 6 months later(similar difficulty but different material)
>feel like I'm slacking off and only putting in 1-2 hours a day
>pass exam
>way happier and healthier life all the while
Yeah I don't know. Amphetamine makes me feel great and it makes me feel like I'm making so much progress but it doesn't show up in the results. Studies have shown similar results. Make sure you're quantifying and measuring your results/output to see if the drug is truly helping you or not. I've seen a lot of friends go down the same route.
tl;dr Adderall/amphetamines aren't all they're cracked up to be, even if you feel like they're helping.
Was in the same boat and glad I got out.
I thought I was being so productive when in reality I was just feeling good. Then came the crashes.
Doing SO much better now off of it.
>not being able to function without Chinese pharmaceuticals
Yikes
>*slurps chinese creatine*
great PWO - all PWOs try to mimic amphetamines. Some of the best ones even put then in before they got caught.
I have been taking dextroamphetamine since September 2020 and am still taking 5mg 1x a day, instant release in the morning before I leave the house for work. With this stuff less is more IMO. A bit too much and you're hit with anxiety, loss of appetite, tweakiness, insomnia, paranoia etc.
Take weekends off and every now and then do a full reset of like 1 month off. It can be sustainable but if you keep upping your dose you will get fried. Mood swings are something to watch out for as well.
It's not some kind of super drug or anything, it just makes going to work somewhat tolerable, helps to curb the suicidal thoughts a bit.
Amphetamines cause hair loss.
Not true whatsoever. They're terrible but not really for hair.
how you gonna tell me homie? i have shoulder length hair and started noticing a huge increase in hair falling out 2 months after starting a dex prescription. I quit taking it and hair loss went back to normal
You're not supposed to take the shit every day, moron. It's a pick me up for getting your body out of the doldrums or if you have to make a huge push where you need 110+% productivity for a few days during a crunch.
Brother, have you seen medication bottles? They list everything under the sun as a side effect.
whats the easyest way to get a script for this stuff, ive just been using street speed and want to try the pharma stuff. are those online pill mills for adhd still a thing, if so can anyone recommend one.
Adhd/narcolepsy diagnosis
You should take a moderate dose of it and goon for hours
>Female porn addict
very hot fetish
gang
Adderal suppresses appetite too much to be conducive to efficiency gaining muscle. Better to just take caffeine intermittently through your workout imo
i have legit issues focusing on stuff, and no motivation to start anything. even doing like playing a game my mind feels like it just starts drifting away.
does adderal help with that?
i just want to be able to focus again it feels like hell sometimes.
gonna see a doctor soon regardless.
In my experience, it did not help with motivation. It can increase hyperfocus, but you still have to be selective about what you’re focusing on. Otherwise you may focus on something entirely nonproductive. I’ve struggled with ADD my entire life, and to be honest, approaching focus as a skill to be practiced and improved has helped me far more than anything else.
im not even sure if it's just a motivation thing. i definitely have some sort of depression, and lots of social anxiety. im 6 months into going to the gym every 2 days, but i started by going to at like 2am just to avoid people. im not on any medication currently, and im in the hopes that in 6 more months ill be at the point where i have confidence in myself and thatll snowball into better mental health.
but in terms of medications, the thing i hate so much is like i said complete lack of focus, and i feel like my memory has degraded a ton. i did really good in school up to ~20 years old, but now i feel like a complete idiot who can barely remember things (30 years old.)
ill talk to a doctor and see what they recommend, but i guess if anyone relates to this and knows what helps i'm open to ideas.
It’s a hard drug. You will be taking hard drugs to for a made up issue. Go for it, just don’t lie to yourself that’s embarrassing.
unless you actually have adhd, these are only good for enjoying porn
Stopped taking my Ritalin after about 3 months because it didn’t really change much. The biggest thing to help me lower my ADHD symptoms was getting a job.