> You might as well have an extremely weak core and posterior chain as well as skinny chicken legs because during the 0.0001% of the time you try to attract the opposite sex those things won't help.
MY OH MY I HAVE FOUND YOU homie
DON'T YOU RUN FROM ME LITTLE homie
This post makes absolutely no sense, I've only gotten more flexible since I started hitting legs hard >resting squat
Can squat ATG with a neutral spine without shoes for as long as I want >hamstrings
I can do palms to floor at any given time, even if I have extreme hamstring DOMS. If my hamstrings aren't sore I can bend my elbows quite a lot while doing it. Don't know if I can do the front splits yet but I haven't tried in ages >adductors
Probably my worst area but I can get decently close to the floor when attempting side splits despite never training them. Will get there eventually when I stop being lazy >glute max
Can do a full ROM seated good morning so no problems here either, since you'll never have to take your hips through more flexion than on these >hip flexors
Similar to adductors but slightly better. These probably need to be stretched more than anything else since the only leg movement that will lengthen them significantly are ATG split squats >rec fem
I can do full couch stretch (back to wall, flexed glute) without ever training it so no issues here >ankle mobility
Maxed out, I'm limited by bone structure instead of achilles tendon so I don't think I can improve it much more. I have more than enough since I can squat ATG so whatever >piriformis
Good enough to never get limited by it when doing anything, though I do directly work it just because it's so easy to do
Squats (of some kind) are essential. I personally got much better back gains when I switched from deadlifts to RDLs. As far as I'm concerned high bar back squats and RDLs are the ultimate lower body combo and you should try it out.
what is with you Black personhomosexuals and 'rdls'
they're literally just a gay stupid version of dls
you can build decent legs without ever squatting
even if you could so what, you want a holistically strong lower body and posterior chain
rdls are cool for us non manlets because the ROM is up to you and not whoever wrote the rules to Olympic weightlifting. If you’re short then yeah what’s the difference. Also the negative is controlled and therefore you have to use less weight.
Squats (of some kind) are essential. I personally got much better back gains when I switched from deadlifts to RDLs. As far as I'm concerned high bar back squats and RDLs are the ultimate lower body combo and you should try it out.
You can do squats as long as you are not moronic (ie you brace properly, use sane rep range instead of singles, don't spam the same movement).
Deadlifts are riskier, simply because it's a harder movement and easy to go ooga booga and put weight on. You can easily replace them with just RDLs + Nordic Curls + Back extensions. I still do them though because it's a good exercise and I like it.
Yeah, I like deadlifts. Feels like they add muscle everywhere, my physique changed totally when I added 150lbs to my deadlift kinda quickly.
There is really no risk of injury unless you start egolifting. >every rep is a DEAD lift, from dead stop >brace yourself on every single rep
That's it basically
>There is really no risk of injury unless you start egolifting.
I mean, every risk is technically qualified. Deadlifting has a giant risk of injury because the thing that might get injured is your spine.
Adding to this you just need to learn how to lift.
Pull the slack out of the bar, brace, wedge yourself in with your hips, engage lats. Then you imagine yourself pushing yourself through the floor while holding on to the bar and maintaining a rigid posture, not picking the bar up.
>There is really no risk of injury unless you start egolifting.
I mean, every risk is technically qualified. Deadlifting has a giant risk of injury because the thing that might get injured is your spine.
Have fun blowing out your back picking up a box off the floor because you never learned how to lift, or conditioned your posterior chain. Of course you can get injured from deadlifts, however unless you're being a moron about it and the rest of your training (you should have other lifts that assist in developing posterior chain strength/rigidity if you plan to deadlift heavy at all) it usually has the opposite effect of making you more resilient to injury.
Zercher squats and sumo deadlifts. Zerchers have the weight in front so no risk of compression forces pushing down on your lower back, plus mimics real life lifting. Sumos allow you to become more upright hence less stress on the lower back, and forces you to use your hips and glutes to complete the movement, unlike conventional which is easy to "pull" using your back instead of "pushing" the weight off the floor.
moron deadlifts are designated as a pull because even though your legs are pushing the majority of the lift is done with the posterior chain and that's the whole point
Of course it is a pull but the majority of accidents happen because liters use all "pull" and mostly with their back instead of the safe way which is push with legs, pull with hips, stabilize/lock lats/back.
I think you mean "inferior"
Look if you need some excuse not to deadlift, like everyone who does the trap bar, or "zerchers" or "rdls" you are immensely gay and hearing your reasons why you are gay is not interesting. Just admit you like penises and balls.
Yes, they do.
I stopped doing conventional deadlifts and switched to exclusively doing high handle trap bar deadlifts. My 1RM conventional still went up despite not training it.
Why would a hip hinge movement not work the same muscles?
LMAO
What do you even deadlift? 405?
Let me guess, cleans don't work the back either?
How do you think your back stays straight in any hip hinge? Spinal Erectors.
How do you keep your upper back from rounding?
How you you keep your shoulders from collapsing?
>Are deadlifts and back squats worth the risk of injury?
no. literally every one who is doing any kind of weight lifting related thing (even powerlifters) will tell you that they are not worth the risk. rather do 2 seperate exercises that will train the same muscle groups just without the risk. they will also fry your cns, people underestimate that shit. its fine and dandy as a beginner because you wont be able to torture your cns with baby weights but once you go heavy you will start getting sick and whatnot if you dont pay attention to your cns recovery.
>no. literally every one who is doing any kind of weight lifting related thing (even powerlifters) will tell you that they are not worth the risk.
Except 2/3 of the people replying already in this thread
Stopped reading there.
you do you. I dont fricking care what other anons do. deadlifts and squats work but they dont do anything magical that other safer exercises wouldnt be able to also do. people act like you have some magical 100% increased gains on deadlifts and squats like I dont understand..
Yes, just have good form. I don't see how you can get injured on 80-90% reps. Like if you feel discomfort on the lift just stop and practice technique on an empty bar for a week
Have you ever tried to teach the average male to deadlift?
Most guys don't have the mobility to even get in a good starting position and can't comprehend bracing. You can absolutely do them safely, but people are idiots.
>post a video of myself literally just standing
don't think so
try to picture a guy standing up, assuming you're not a #5 no-apple-seeing mental imagelet
>makes moronic claim >refuses to back up moronic claim >results to namecalling and hissyfits
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>feels personally attacked >asks for evidence he himself would not provide >projects his emotional state onto others
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The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
There's not a coach out there that would tell you to 'just stand up.'
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>t. standlet
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How is "deadlifts are standing up" a moronic claim? That's literally what you do. Grab bar, stand up. >guess what squats are
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Post your deadlift or your squat
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You'll never guess what they do in olympic lifting either >the bar doesn't get any cleaner, I can tell you that much 😉
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>clean/snatch >just stand up with the bar
What do you get out of shitposting?
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All I'm saying is they could probably call it the "grab, stand and jump" >"just stand up bro" is a meme from UFC threads on IST and you took it seriously so I started trolling you harder to see when the penny would drop
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Okay
Yes.
This moron dropped his warm up weight immediately prior to this as well.
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>This moron dropped his warm up weight immediately prior to this as well.
Do you have more details?
9 months ago
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His name is Igor Golushkin.
It happened in 2012 so a lot of news articles about it are dead links now.
I'm an oldgay so I remember it happening and heard that he had dropped like 350-360 once while warming up and that the weight he was going for was above his training max by 10-20lbs.
I believe I injured my back in HS from lifting during football. Coaches didn't give proper instruction and just said put big weight on bar and lift. Remember constantly having back pain but would power through because I was a fool. Maybe it stunted my growth but that's prob just a cope. Squats are really good, deadlifts are not worth risk tho. I still do because I enjoy them and have proper form now. Just choose a similar exercise and skip unless you know the risks or already know how.
hell the frick no
i used to do them, never snapped (tho i did once snap on a barbel row... fricking ouch)
but seeing ronnie in crutches scared me straight.
its goblet squats and hyperextentions for me, thanks very much.
deadlift is the only lift i haven't injured myself in
my current max is only 485 lbs but i've never once used a belt or finessed with "abdominal pressure" or other techniques. i just keep my back straight and lift
I currently deadlift, but in the past I've not done it for several months at a time.
Good alternatives that achieve similar effects, I did these while not DL'ing and my DL numbers either stayed intact or even improved despite not pulling at all. >Strict, paused RDLs. >Weighted back/glute extensions, I like to do them in the GHR apparatus. >Barbel/DB rows, if you do them nearly horizontal but hinged over.
You should do these anyways, middle one is super underrated tbh
If the weight shifts to your thumbs you drop it because your thumbs alone can't support hundreds of pounds.
I've done this from about 3" off the chest with 185.
Worth the risk for what? What’s the reason you’re doing them?
If you want to be strong, you need them, both of them, and your entire training existence should be built around them (plus bench and maybe ohp). A couple of times per micro.
If you want to be powerful, the same, but you can reduce the frequency since you’re probably also doing oly moves.
If you want aesthetics, then maybe. Machines will work. Jay Cutler famously worked only on a leg press bc he didn’t want to risk a knee injury (he was also on PEDs which does factor in - a natty won’t have the same relative progress).
So figure out what you’re trying to do. > snap city, muh back, muh knees, blah blah high injury rates
I’m 43, lifting since 14. I have way more shoulder problems than back or knee, and that’s with doing minor powerlifting comps. Even dealing with a torn rotator cuff at this very moment. > you obviously know what you’re talking about - what should I do
Obv depends on your goals as stated above, but here’s a few
- get a coach and learn real proper form. youtube videos are no substitute for a good coach
- bracing is rarely addressed, learn how to do this properly
- breath work is rarely addressed, learn how to do this properly
- go to a real gym: no planet princess, no 24 hour fatness, nothing completely unstaffed, no social clubs like la fatness, no cross fit. a proper bb/pl/oly gym where people way bigger than you work out - because if they see you fricking up they will correct you
- progress slower than you think you need to, until you get the aforementioned coach > lol post body
no
Yes. The risk of injury is very low if you perform them correctly and don't ego lift. These movements are essential for functional strength and making gains.
you are not going to get injured on deadlifts, your shins stop you from misgrooving.
The only way you can get injures is by training like a dumbass, aka: attempting 20kg over your 1rm, because a girl is miring.
squats are the easier one to get injured one, especially if you do lowbar.
Lose balance at the bottom once -> injuury ruins your training for the next 6 months or more.
You need to actually be strong to get hurt tho so most of you gays will be fine.
Kiddo you can get injured from training properly just because you didn't respect proper mechanics in your daily life then got under the barbell with some inflammation you didnt know about.
Yes, there is minimal risk of injury as long as you can do these things. And the injuries involved are manageable with some proper rehab.
I have several herniated discs from before I figured out how to balance intermediate programming with combat sports. Back extensions, antirotations, weighted pullups, and the mcgill big 3 go a long way.
fun fact: nearly everyone that has done any sort of athletic endeavor for more than a year probably has a herniated disk. the delineating factor is the severity.
Literally if you do a plate less and focus overly good posture it hits the muscles you've been missing. Bruce Lee literally blew his back out doing like 2 pl8s tops.
People don't practice double overhand nearly enough either. Also I'd rather practice cleans and hang cleans for 1rm then a bunch of sets of like 2-5 basically every workout. I feel like it improves punching power more than a lot of exercises.
>Deadlifts
Start doing them for 3x8-10 like any other exercise instead of increasingly stupid heavy singles you can't handle with good form and you will literally never have an injury due to deadlifting. The lift itself is not inherently more dangerous than any other, it just attracts ego lifting more than any other.
no
you can still do them, just keep the intensity and volume and frequency lower to reduce injury risk
t. 550/430/550/300 SBDO
frick maxing out on squats and deads, lower back injuries are too dehabilitating to risk
if you enioy squats and deads, but are scared of injury, just tone down the variables and play it safe, you're not missing out on anything
you dont need big legs to look good as a man, only women should be doing them to get a bigger ass
men should focus on overhead press and weighted chin ups, do some machines for legs
redpilled
> You might as well have an extremely weak core and posterior chain as well as skinny chicken legs because during the 0.0001% of the time you try to attract the opposite sex those things won't help.
MY OH MY I HAVE FOUND YOU homie
DON'T YOU RUN FROM ME LITTLE homie
you can build decent legs without ever squatting
>everything is sexo sexo stimulate woman brain sexo
we will run you off this board
Black person you cant even run
Dangerously redpilled
Giga fat frick cope. You're just a pussy that doesn't have the cardio to do high volume squats.
Lmfao homie just do actual cardio ahaha
You homies will make any excuse to not do any sort of excercise other than powerlifting lol
this is chad's answer who lift to get stacys.
however I am a martial arts autist, any sport requires strong legs
any man who ever had sex will know that women love a good looking ass on man
Women love man ass, if you're lifting for women and you're not doing barbell hip thusts and deadlifts, you're ngmi
Honestly why do people go so hard on legs if it makes you incredibly inflexible.
You have to do like an hour of stretching a day to offset the side effects of doing legs more that once a week.
squatting and RDLs improve your mobility
This post makes absolutely no sense, I've only gotten more flexible since I started hitting legs hard
>resting squat
Can squat ATG with a neutral spine without shoes for as long as I want
>hamstrings
I can do palms to floor at any given time, even if I have extreme hamstring DOMS. If my hamstrings aren't sore I can bend my elbows quite a lot while doing it. Don't know if I can do the front splits yet but I haven't tried in ages
>adductors
Probably my worst area but I can get decently close to the floor when attempting side splits despite never training them. Will get there eventually when I stop being lazy
>glute max
Can do a full ROM seated good morning so no problems here either, since you'll never have to take your hips through more flexion than on these
>hip flexors
Similar to adductors but slightly better. These probably need to be stretched more than anything else since the only leg movement that will lengthen them significantly are ATG split squats
>rec fem
I can do full couch stretch (back to wall, flexed glute) without ever training it so no issues here
>ankle mobility
Maxed out, I'm limited by bone structure instead of achilles tendon so I don't think I can improve it much more. I have more than enough since I can squat ATG so whatever
>piriformis
Good enough to never get limited by it when doing anything, though I do directly work it just because it's so easy to do
Frick off derek
You look like shit
there's no risk of injury if you perform the movement correctly.
post body
im good brah i also play rugby
you go to the gym to be functional, not just look big, right?
If you're that worried, just go low weight. They're great exercises
Squats yes, deadlifts no
This but the opposite.
this
that
yes
this
what is with you Black personhomosexuals and 'rdls'
they're literally just a gay stupid version of dls
even if you could so what, you want a holistically strong lower body and posterior chain
nah i just lift and take a few good shirtless photos showing off my abs for instagram. makes getting laid a whole lot easier
you sound like what we call a 'douchebag'
Wow I don't even care about whatever argument is being had but this is the most homosexual post I've seen in a long time
>nah i just lift and take a few good shirtless photos showing off my abs for instagram. makes getting laid a whole lot easier
good morning sir
it really doesn't unless you look like david laid
rdls are cool for us non manlets because the ROM is up to you and not whoever wrote the rules to Olympic weightlifting. If you’re short then yeah what’s the difference. Also the negative is controlled and therefore you have to use less weight.
What does olympic weightlifting have to do with deadlift ROM
the deadlift rom is literally defined by the size of olympic weight plates
i've done both for 10 years+ 0 injuries, no back problems while my brother riddled with them
never tried to 1rm though, don't ego and you'll be fine, or ego and injure yourself or get stuck under a smith machine w/e
Squats (of some kind) are essential. I personally got much better back gains when I switched from deadlifts to RDLs. As far as I'm concerned high bar back squats and RDLs are the ultimate lower body combo and you should try it out.
what about front squats?
You can do squats as long as you are not moronic (ie you brace properly, use sane rep range instead of singles, don't spam the same movement).
Deadlifts are riskier, simply because it's a harder movement and easy to go ooga booga and put weight on. You can easily replace them with just RDLs + Nordic Curls + Back extensions. I still do them though because it's a good exercise and I like it.
>RDLs + Nordic Curls + Back extensions.
Are you in my house bro? This is exactly what I do
Why are you a pussy?
the injury risk is very exaggerated.
Do deadlifts only once a week maximum
That's what I like to do. Heavy singles one day then RDLs for volume another day.
1 set maximum per workout yeah
Yeah, I like deadlifts. Feels like they add muscle everywhere, my physique changed totally when I added 150lbs to my deadlift kinda quickly.
There is really no risk of injury unless you start egolifting.
>every rep is a DEAD lift, from dead stop
>brace yourself on every single rep
That's it basically
>There is really no risk of injury unless you start egolifting.
I mean, every risk is technically qualified. Deadlifting has a giant risk of injury because the thing that might get injured is your spine.
Adding to this you just need to learn how to lift.
Pull the slack out of the bar, brace, wedge yourself in with your hips, engage lats. Then you imagine yourself pushing yourself through the floor while holding on to the bar and maintaining a rigid posture, not picking the bar up.
Have fun blowing out your back picking up a box off the floor because you never learned how to lift, or conditioned your posterior chain. Of course you can get injured from deadlifts, however unless you're being a moron about it and the rest of your training (you should have other lifts that assist in developing posterior chain strength/rigidity if you plan to deadlift heavy at all) it usually has the opposite effect of making you more resilient to injury.
Zercher squats and sumo deadlifts. Zerchers have the weight in front so no risk of compression forces pushing down on your lower back, plus mimics real life lifting. Sumos allow you to become more upright hence less stress on the lower back, and forces you to use your hips and glutes to complete the movement, unlike conventional which is easy to "pull" using your back instead of "pushing" the weight off the floor.
moron deadlifts are designated as a pull because even though your legs are pushing the majority of the lift is done with the posterior chain and that's the whole point
Of course it is a pull but the majority of accidents happen because liters use all "pull" and mostly with their back instead of the safe way which is push with legs, pull with hips, stabilize/lock lats/back.
just do high handle trap bar deadlifts
its objectively superior for everything especially traps/upper back unless you are a fat obese powershitter
I think you mean "inferior"
Look if you need some excuse not to deadlift, like everyone who does the trap bar, or "zerchers" or "rdls" you are immensely gay and hearing your reasons why you are gay is not interesting. Just admit you like penises and balls.
NTA
Unless you're training to compete in a specific lift there is zero reason to do a specific lift if there is a safer alternative.
None of the alternatives listed do the same thing
Yes, they do.
I stopped doing conventional deadlifts and switched to exclusively doing high handle trap bar deadlifts. My 1RM conventional still went up despite not training it.
Why would a hip hinge movement not work the same muscles?
Doesn't work the back especially lower back
LMAO
What do you even deadlift? 405?
Let me guess, cleans don't work the back either?
How do you think your back stays straight in any hip hinge? Spinal Erectors.
How do you keep your upper back from rounding?
How you you keep your shoulders from collapsing?
As someone who's been dealing with back pain for the last 3 years: No
If back injury is a worry just do these
I prefer open trap bar, but agreed.
>Are deadlifts and back squats worth the risk of injury?
no. literally every one who is doing any kind of weight lifting related thing (even powerlifters) will tell you that they are not worth the risk. rather do 2 seperate exercises that will train the same muscle groups just without the risk. they will also fry your cns, people underestimate that shit. its fine and dandy as a beginner because you wont be able to torture your cns with baby weights but once you go heavy you will start getting sick and whatnot if you dont pay attention to your cns recovery.
>no. literally every one who is doing any kind of weight lifting related thing (even powerlifters) will tell you that they are not worth the risk.
Except 2/3 of the people replying already in this thread
Stopped reading there.
you do you. I dont fricking care what other anons do. deadlifts and squats work but they dont do anything magical that other safer exercises wouldnt be able to also do. people act like you have some magical 100% increased gains on deadlifts and squats like I dont understand..
They are called DEADlifts anon.
Yes, just have good form. I don't see how you can get injured on 80-90% reps. Like if you feel discomfort on the lift just stop and practice technique on an empty bar for a week
Have you ever tried to teach the average male to deadlift?
Most guys don't have the mobility to even get in a good starting position and can't comprehend bracing. You can absolutely do them safely, but people are idiots.
all you have to do is brace
how are deadlifts even hard like bro just stand up
post your deadlift
>post a video of myself literally just standing
don't think so
try to picture a guy standing up, assuming you're not a #5 no-apple-seeing mental imagelet
>evades
>insults
>expected
>t. moronic sperg
>makes moronic claim
>refuses to back up moronic claim
>results to namecalling and hissyfits
>feels personally attacked
>asks for evidence he himself would not provide
>projects his emotional state onto others
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
There's not a coach out there that would tell you to 'just stand up.'
>t. standlet
How is "deadlifts are standing up" a moronic claim? That's literally what you do. Grab bar, stand up.
>guess what squats are
Post your deadlift or your squat
You'll never guess what they do in olympic lifting either
>the bar doesn't get any cleaner, I can tell you that much 😉
>clean/snatch
>just stand up with the bar
What do you get out of shitposting?
All I'm saying is they could probably call it the "grab, stand and jump"
>"just stand up bro" is a meme from UFC threads on IST and you took it seriously so I started trolling you harder to see when the penny would drop
Okay
This moron dropped his warm up weight immediately prior to this as well.
>This moron dropped his warm up weight immediately prior to this as well.
Do you have more details?
His name is Igor Golushkin.
It happened in 2012 so a lot of news articles about it are dead links now.
I'm an oldgay so I remember it happening and heard that he had dropped like 350-360 once while warming up and that the weight he was going for was above his training max by 10-20lbs.
Thank you
I believe I injured my back in HS from lifting during football. Coaches didn't give proper instruction and just said put big weight on bar and lift. Remember constantly having back pain but would power through because I was a fool. Maybe it stunted my growth but that's prob just a cope. Squats are really good, deadlifts are not worth risk tho. I still do because I enjoy them and have proper form now. Just choose a similar exercise and skip unless you know the risks or already know how.
I wish I had a hot shota gf when I was younger.
hell the frick no
i used to do them, never snapped (tho i did once snap on a barbel row... fricking ouch)
but seeing ronnie in crutches scared me straight.
its goblet squats and hyperextentions for me, thanks very much.
deadlift is the only lift i haven't injured myself in
my current max is only 485 lbs but i've never once used a belt or finessed with "abdominal pressure" or other techniques. i just keep my back straight and lift
if I do belt squats + good mornings and maybe reverse hyperextensions do I ever need to go back to barbell squatting? hate doing that shit
I can't see it
just some jjk autism
No
I currently deadlift, but in the past I've not done it for several months at a time.
Good alternatives that achieve similar effects, I did these while not DL'ing and my DL numbers either stayed intact or even improved despite not pulling at all.
>Strict, paused RDLs.
>Weighted back/glute extensions, I like to do them in the GHR apparatus.
>Barbel/DB rows, if you do them nearly horizontal but hinged over.
You should do these anyways, middle one is super underrated tbh
Yes.
Yeah I'm not clicking that.
>Russia
Seems like suicide to me.
>hands just flying off the bar even with regular grip
how
If the weight shifts to your thumbs you drop it because your thumbs alone can't support hundreds of pounds.
I've done this from about 3" off the chest with 185.
> 185
keep it up bro, you’ve still got a long way to go
I never said that was my max.
doesn’t matter - 185 is still too low to even have that happen
>everyone has the exact same life experiences as me
I know you don’t - that’s why I said keep it up
Worth the risk for what? What’s the reason you’re doing them?
If you want to be strong, you need them, both of them, and your entire training existence should be built around them (plus bench and maybe ohp). A couple of times per micro.
If you want to be powerful, the same, but you can reduce the frequency since you’re probably also doing oly moves.
If you want aesthetics, then maybe. Machines will work. Jay Cutler famously worked only on a leg press bc he didn’t want to risk a knee injury (he was also on PEDs which does factor in - a natty won’t have the same relative progress).
So figure out what you’re trying to do.
> snap city, muh back, muh knees, blah blah high injury rates
I’m 43, lifting since 14. I have way more shoulder problems than back or knee, and that’s with doing minor powerlifting comps. Even dealing with a torn rotator cuff at this very moment.
> you obviously know what you’re talking about - what should I do
Obv depends on your goals as stated above, but here’s a few
- get a coach and learn real proper form. youtube videos are no substitute for a good coach
- bracing is rarely addressed, learn how to do this properly
- breath work is rarely addressed, learn how to do this properly
- go to a real gym: no planet princess, no 24 hour fatness, nothing completely unstaffed, no social clubs like la fatness, no cross fit. a proper bb/pl/oly gym where people way bigger than you work out - because if they see you fricking up they will correct you
- progress slower than you think you need to, until you get the aforementioned coach
> lol post body
no
signed, dave tates bastard child
its the ideal lift, see picrel
Depends if only bench press and ohp make the bad voices go away.
Bench is more dangerous than squat and dead lift. See
Yes. The risk of injury is very low if you perform them correctly and don't ego lift. These movements are essential for functional strength and making gains.
you are not going to get injured on deadlifts, your shins stop you from misgrooving.
The only way you can get injures is by training like a dumbass, aka: attempting 20kg over your 1rm, because a girl is miring.
squats are the easier one to get injured one, especially if you do lowbar.
Lose balance at the bottom once -> injuury ruins your training for the next 6 months or more.
You need to actually be strong to get hurt tho so most of you gays will be fine.
Kiddo you can get injured from training properly just because you didn't respect proper mechanics in your daily life then got under the barbell with some inflammation you didnt know about.
Give advice when you hit big boy weight.
No. Just do some leg press (not the gay inclined one), and some back extensions.
Brace neutrally. Recover adequately. Don't overload overeagerly.
Yes, there is minimal risk of injury as long as you can do these things. And the injuries involved are manageable with some proper rehab.
I have several herniated discs from before I figured out how to balance intermediate programming with combat sports. Back extensions, antirotations, weighted pullups, and the mcgill big 3 go a long way.
fun fact: nearly everyone that has done any sort of athletic endeavor for more than a year probably has a herniated disk. the delineating factor is the severity.
people severely overestimate the amount of weight needed to make both of these movements effective, which is how they get rekt
Literally if you do a plate less and focus overly good posture it hits the muscles you've been missing. Bruce Lee literally blew his back out doing like 2 pl8s tops.
People don't practice double overhand nearly enough either. Also I'd rather practice cleans and hang cleans for 1rm then a bunch of sets of like 2-5 basically every workout. I feel like it improves punching power more than a lot of exercises.
but they prevent injury, just know your limits and go against conventional wisdom and avoid doing it to failure lol
I squat 275,285,295 today and I have a fused spine. This thread is full of poons
>Deadlifts
Start doing them for 3x8-10 like any other exercise instead of increasingly stupid heavy singles you can't handle with good form and you will literally never have an injury due to deadlifting. The lift itself is not inherently more dangerous than any other, it just attracts ego lifting more than any other.
>Squats
Same thing.
>do you really think your skeleton is that strong
Lmao
3pl8 bench, 4 pl8 squat, have hurt myself warming up with a 1pl8 DL. Frick em
no
you can still do them, just keep the intensity and volume and frequency lower to reduce injury risk
t. 550/430/550/300 SBDO
frick maxing out on squats and deads, lower back injuries are too dehabilitating to risk
if you enioy squats and deads, but are scared of injury, just tone down the variables and play it safe, you're not missing out on anything