When a guy has big side delts you just want him to hold your with his strong arms. As a gay, you just wouldn't understand.
You're a moron. Doing this exercise will gave you a few millimetres extra on the sides you want them. Nobody will ever see those millimetres unless you have your clothes off. Nobody will ever care about the millimetres that are there. Seriously, you would have to be severely mentally ill to think as if that couple of millimetres was going to do anything.
Now if you have a big chest and big arms, and you can do functional things with them like lift your girl up, that's very, very different isn't it.
It's the shittest most uncomfortable exercise ever. Just don't do it I say.
Lol what's your problem? Are you being paid to go on fitness forums and write about how shit lateral raises are? Or have you fricked up your shoulders by ego lifting lateral raises and then concluding that >It must be bad for everyone
>Seriously, you would have to be severely mentally ill to think as if that couple of millimetres was going to do anything
lets go with it bot - yes if half your arm and shoulder is 2mm wider/taller/bigger u won instantly and it will be visible in thickest of winter coats >Now if you have a big chest and big arms, and you can do functional things with them like lift your girl up, that's very, very different isn't it.
arms and chest without delt make u an fricking cripple, u can't use any strength when your shoulder joint isn't healthy, delt big in the back and stretched open at the front on the other hand, big beautiful delt striating through t-shirt with slightest motion is nothing short of wonderful, and it lets u use your other muscles safely - most functional muscle in human body the rear delt
>It's the shittest most uncomfortable exercise ever. Just don't do it I say.
so u were pretending to be moronic to ridicule this statement - it's impingement movement and to top it off front delt and bicep tendon will die first because that's what it works, u gotta bend over bot and move the weight backwards, oh... bots don't bend :c
>Frick this exercise, bro
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
Tension vs free weight can do weird things. Flat bench turns my shoulders into a box of pop rocks, cable press is smooth as silk. Might look the same and "work" mostly the same muscles, but the movement recruitment can be wildly different.
honestly people doing really high weights with small shoulders are getting very little out of it. 8-11 reps on the side delt is really training strength for the lateral raise movement. 12-15 reps is more ideal for training hypertrophy on isolated muscle groups. Also do a weight that actually allows 12-15 reps with a nice slow eccentric going down, with 2-3 reps left in the tank on top of that. This blew up my shoulders like crazy
Na it's a hard workout especially if you use no momentum and go slow and control the eccentric. Just keep going and don't be an idiot that does too much weight and uses leg drive to throw them up, it's pointless.
>Also kg=europoor
lbs = inferior Amerimutt. Kilograms are the real freedom unit. Plus, your dick was mutilated at birth and sucked on by a israeli pedophile, therefore, your opinion literally doesn't matter. I win, you lose. No backsies.
I just started doing these and I'm getting stretch marks on my shoulders from how fast my shoulders are growing. It's crazy how good these are for tkj.
If you're not seeing veins and stretch marks when you're doing these then you're not using your delts. Too much cheating going on and you might as well not do the exercise.
When I do them my skin gets red, you can see veins start to bulge. Makes you feel like the hulk
I have been doing these for a year and tbh ya my shoulders are big, but I mostly feel like I got them big from a 200 lb OHP. Thinking of swapping out this with upright rows, especially because of the amount of muscles it uses.
Most people are using everything but their shoulders to perform the exercise. Feeling and moving from your delts is easily harder than finding your lats, and half the people out there can't manage that.
I figured these bastards out. Treat them like a real lift. They're not to be tacked on after you're already wasted from overhead pressing. Stop thinking about how light it is, it works anyway. Don't ever rest at the bottom. Even if you get 20 more reps because of it, it doesn't mean anything. Do it in tempo and do everything in your power stay in that tempo and get those last two painful reps. Those reps are the only thing that will ever do anything for you, and by anything I mean hella doms and then that weight is lighter for you next week.
>have 2x 15kg adjustable dumbbells >leave them at 15kg forall exercises >attempt op's pic >lmao no chance >would have to screw my dumbbells open and remove weights and put them back on again for all other variations >nah >just skip it out of laziness
what do /fit?
Do upright rows with them instead. Since they're dumbbells you're not locked into a motion that hurts your shoulders. You can add a bit of external rotation to the movement too for rear delts and rotator cuff. If it's still too heavy just cheat the reps a bit with your legs and hips.
unscrew one dumbbell and make it light - 5 kilos is nothing right? wrong, why would u need 2 dumbbelss when u can use one? one hand then the other, i tend to start with worse and then do the better one in particular movement
when u've already hired ur personal trainer - the better hand teaches the worse one all the time - u do this:
>Frick this exercise, bro
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
i'm talking to imaginary person bot is pretending to be here - bot can frick off, it's dumb and calls names when defeated, that's all it fricking does lol - not an argument bot
yeah. Yesterday I sat down trying to figure out something, about doing lateral rises. I don't like that you only lift them halfway up, searched full rom lateral rises and
https://i.imgur.com/QaSdojQ.jpg
Take the Lu Raise pill
came up, Lu raises are infact superior in every aspect. Problem still I don't want to adjust my 2 cheap dumbbells everytime, so instead put the 4 heavy plates on one bar and the 4 lighter ones on the other. Now what I did is I used the lighter dumbbell for assymetrical raises, not only lifting them sideways above my head without rotating my hand, but also to the side. Difficult to explain in text, if this thread stays alive I'll make a webm. I am not kidding, I always have some nonhurting cracking and popping in my shoulders, especially the left one. But after doing this exercise yesterday kind of fixed that. I'm really surprised. Read that light Lu raises are a favourite shoulder training method for physiotherapists.
This variation must exist somewhere, but couldn't find it. Asymetrical 3/4 full rom lat raises? Like a clock going from 3 to 12 o clock
>Lu raises
that's front, anterior delt and tension goes through bicep tendon like with any "lateral" raises you fricking mongoloid impersonating bot
behind ur back, when bent over, all weight lies entirely on tricep muscle, one hand at a time - last one applies everywhere it's possible, like abs don't divide in 2 but delts are surely 2 separate muscles >what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
>Frick this exercise, bro
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
think triceps extensions nobody does (but me for short head of tricep, it's already grown from that) but with locked elbow, don't need to be straight just locked
and that is all folks, i'm done "arguing" with bot, what a waste of time lol
ok last one so that maybe 1 reading real human does not think i'm completely moronic
9th minute of this insufferable sodomite - yes read delt is behind ur facking back and nobody can isolate read delt from mid head, for all intents delt is only front and back, now i'm rly gone bb
https://themusclephd.com/range-of-motion-and-growth/ >Therefore, it’s probably prudent to use a mostly lengthened or neutral range of motion on most delt exercises – you’ll definitely want to avoid training the delts at shorter lengths. With this in mind, exercises like front or lateral raises should only be done to the point where your arm is parallel to the floor; any higher and you’re likely achieving active insufficiency in the muscle. >if muscular development is all that you seek, you probably don’t need a full ROM with the delts, at least at the top of the movement, anyways.
don't raise your arms above your head and little stretch is good
7 months ago
Anonymous
>don't raise your arms above your head
why? Honest question. Lu raises feel better than normal lat raises. Why not use a wider ROM?
7 months ago
Anonymous
there are more important things than ROM. you're better off sacrificing a little ROM, stretch, and volume for more weight and fewer reps, particularly for an exercise like this. smash out some upright rows for 3 sets then go straight into 15 rep lat raises with your arms out like this anon
https://i.imgur.com/LECRPlv.jpg
For all you morons with shoulder pain. Here.
said. I prefer with a slight bend in elbow. cable lat raise where you can get a deep stretch is fantastic too. If anything, the liu raise can be done at the end of your shoulder day imo
Because they are shit. Use dumbells and get the overload training from gravity force. This also doesn't let you use your core as much, you lose a good portion of the chest to shoulder action
>further isolating an isolation movement is....bad!
If you want size you need to lift heavy. Doing these cable shit is only good for getting cardio reps in. Lat raises with 30lbs btfos this whole machine
Some machines are superior. Barbells and dumbbells are only effected by gravity in one direction. A lateral raise machine or a back pullover machine has a consistent resistance curve.
>Frick this exercise, bro
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
>hands higher than elbows in the end position >he shifted the tension to fibers that are NOT part of his mid delt
Because the weight WAS still too high
Powershitters will bench with the biggest arch to reduce the ROM but go “Muh form” when it comes to lat raises. Don’t be afraid to use a little body English to go past failure on these. You should eventually move on from baby weight too like almost every other lift.
Bend over slightly, torso at about a 60-75 degree angle. It will remove the anterior delts and add in more rear delts without losing any lateral delt stimulus.
What if I sit on a slightly inclined bench and do the opposite? Will it use my front delts without detracting from side delt stimulus? I like to do powell raises for the rear delts.
Why? It's great. Probably the most important physique exercise.
That’s the biggest stretch I’ve ever heard and I’m pretty damn gay
When a guy has big side delts you just want him to hold your with his strong arms. As a gay, you just wouldn't understand.
Agree.
You're a moron. Doing this exercise will gave you a few millimetres extra on the sides you want them. Nobody will ever see those millimetres unless you have your clothes off. Nobody will ever care about the millimetres that are there. Seriously, you would have to be severely mentally ill to think as if that couple of millimetres was going to do anything.
Now if you have a big chest and big arms, and you can do functional things with them like lift your girl up, that's very, very different isn't it.
It's the shittest most uncomfortable exercise ever. Just don't do it I say.
on the sides not* where you want them
Lol what's your problem? Are you being paid to go on fitness forums and write about how shit lateral raises are? Or have you fricked up your shoulders by ego lifting lateral raises and then concluding that
>It must be bad for everyone
You can't have big arms without big shoulders
>bitching about millimeters
>thinking women notice the nanometers you've added to your chest
NGMI Satan
>Seriously, you would have to be severely mentally ill to think as if that couple of millimetres was going to do anything
lets go with it bot - yes if half your arm and shoulder is 2mm wider/taller/bigger u won instantly and it will be visible in thickest of winter coats
>Now if you have a big chest and big arms, and you can do functional things with them like lift your girl up, that's very, very different isn't it.
arms and chest without delt make u an fricking cripple, u can't use any strength when your shoulder joint isn't healthy, delt big in the back and stretched open at the front on the other hand, big beautiful delt striating through t-shirt with slightest motion is nothing short of wonderful, and it lets u use your other muscles safely - most functional muscle in human body the rear delt
>It's the shittest most uncomfortable exercise ever. Just don't do it I say.
so u were pretending to be moronic to ridicule this statement - it's impingement movement and to top it off front delt and bicep tendon will die first because that's what it works, u gotta bend over bot and move the weight backwards, oh... bots don't bend :c
The unholy numbers have spoken. We enter in the war of gaining millimeters in the most aesthetic muscle groups to offer up to the Lord our King
Shoulder width is the most noticeable growth.
I love this, in conjunction with iron crosses and burpees.
Egyptian cable raises are superior and more fun
>cable raise
based and boulderpilled
sexo
>dumbbell raises
Fun, good pump
>egyptian cable raises
Grinding in my shoulder
I haven't a clue why.
Damn Egyptians
Tension vs free weight can do weird things. Flat bench turns my shoulders into a box of pop rocks, cable press is smooth as silk. Might look the same and "work" mostly the same muscles, but the movement recruitment can be wildly different.
cable raises
>Grinding in my shoulder
you have to go to egypt and defeat dio before you can obtain the power to do them
>egyptian cable raise
I’m-singing-in-the-rain head ass workout lmao, goofy afgk8ys
frick up, virgin
post small shoulders
I LOVE THESE AND GET TO DO THEM TODAY
I CAN DO 3X10 AT 27.5LBS LETS FRICKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IT'S SHOULDER DAY BROS
LETS FRICKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wtf is this real???!!?!?!?!?!!
how did you teach the frog to dance???!!
Why? Just use lightweight, even the roidmonkeu in your pic is doing it
Does This is exercise burns the most out or is it just me?
git gud fegit
I'm going to be completely honest.
I can only do 30lbs for 2x10 and 3 to failure.
Am I fricking weak?
Your form is shit
I'm doing exactly what OP's pic is doing
honestly people doing really high weights with small shoulders are getting very little out of it. 8-11 reps on the side delt is really training strength for the lateral raise movement. 12-15 reps is more ideal for training hypertrophy on isolated muscle groups. Also do a weight that actually allows 12-15 reps with a nice slow eccentric going down, with 2-3 reps left in the tank on top of that. This blew up my shoulders like crazy
Na it's a hard workout especially if you use no momentum and go slow and control the eccentric. Just keep going and don't be an idiot that does too much weight and uses leg drive to throw them up, it's pointless.
no. shoulders are small muscles homie don’t expect them to move heavy weight with good form.
moron
30 lbs is way too heavy unless you are huge. I bench 2 plates and I use 17 pound dumbbells for lateral raises.
I bench 3 pl8s for reps and still won’t do more than 25lb lateral raise. Most people do them wrong. You shouldn’t be using momentum to get them up
Powershitter
The max ive seen anyone do Lateral raises for reps was 35lb, and it was some huge dude clearly deep into a bulk
better than me. good job.
3x10 + 1xfail
10lbs
I can lateral raise 22kg with perfect form, and that's not even an impressive amount. I think you gays are just weak.
>I can lateral raise 22kg with perfect form
Forgot to add, for 12 reps.
post video and fizeek
You’re not fooling anyone with experience dyel gay. Gonna look like those goofy fricks swinging while doing curls. Also kg=europoor
>Also kg=europoor
lbs = inferior Amerimutt. Kilograms are the real freedom unit. Plus, your dick was mutilated at birth and sucked on by a israeli pedophile, therefore, your opinion literally doesn't matter. I win, you lose. No backsies.
why are gays like this so obsessed with our dicks bros?
Calling someone "obsessed" isn't going to reverse your mutilation, cutcuck.
it's so funny how hard they go in after the slightest bit of ribbing
and they say WE'RE the ones that can't handle banter
nobody says that, moron
go build strawmen on plebbit
fricking imbecile
but banter in England IS going in on eachother
we don't "lightly rib" each other, we go deep
idk about rest of evropa
I thought it was putting IEDs in your mates yard and raping each others goats.
I found these really hard when I started lifting last year, now I still find them hard, but can do them with good form.
I just started doing these and I'm getting stretch marks on my shoulders from how fast my shoulders are growing. It's crazy how good these are for tkj.
delusion
Why are you mad? your shoulders small?
post shoulder stretch marks big guy
If you're not seeing veins and stretch marks when you're doing these then you're not using your delts. Too much cheating going on and you might as well not do the exercise.
When I do them my skin gets red, you can see veins start to bulge. Makes you feel like the hulk
I'm too fat to veins in my delts
I have been doing these for a year and tbh ya my shoulders are big, but I mostly feel like I got them big from a 200 lb OHP. Thinking of swapping out this with upright rows, especially because of the amount of muscles it uses.
unironically the best delt exercise, do full ROM angled slightly in so you dont impinge tf out of your shoulder and these are GOAT
Most people are using everything but their shoulders to perform the exercise. Feeling and moving from your delts is easily harder than finding your lats, and half the people out there can't manage that.
Anyone who lifts and diets correctly got strech marks on their upper body from fast muscle growth, I have them on my front delts. You're just a dyel
My shoulders snap, crackle, and pop when I do this movement even without weights.
Take the Lu Raise pill
>Do lateral raise
>mfw mid rep
love these. i do 5x12 20lbs slow and hold at the top. they fricking suck it's great
>"millimetres" repeated four times in one paragraph
I figured these bastards out. Treat them like a real lift. They're not to be tacked on after you're already wasted from overhead pressing. Stop thinking about how light it is, it works anyway. Don't ever rest at the bottom. Even if you get 20 more reps because of it, it doesn't mean anything. Do it in tempo and do everything in your power stay in that tempo and get those last two painful reps. Those reps are the only thing that will ever do anything for you, and by anything I mean hella doms and then that weight is lighter for you next week.
Agreed, lots of guys do this as an accessory lift and get nowhere. Do these as your first lift on shoulder day and you'll explode your side delts
I'm just not gonna stop doing lateral raises haha!
>have 2x 15kg adjustable dumbbells
>leave them at 15kg forall exercises
>attempt op's pic
>lmao no chance
>would have to screw my dumbbells open and remove weights and put them back on again for all other variations
>nah
>just skip it out of laziness
what do /fit?
I have an idea but you're not gonna like it.
Do upright rows with them instead. Since they're dumbbells you're not locked into a motion that hurts your shoulders. You can add a bit of external rotation to the movement too for rear delts and rotator cuff. If it's still too heavy just cheat the reps a bit with your legs and hips.
i did exact same thing
unscrew one dumbbell and make it light - 5 kilos is nothing right? wrong, why would u need 2 dumbbelss when u can use one? one hand then the other, i tend to start with worse and then do the better one in particular movement
when u've already hired ur personal trainer - the better hand teaches the worse one all the time - u do this:
i'm talking to imaginary person bot is pretending to be here - bot can frick off, it's dumb and calls names when defeated, that's all it fricking does lol - not an argument bot
yeah. Yesterday I sat down trying to figure out something, about doing lateral rises. I don't like that you only lift them halfway up, searched full rom lateral rises and
came up, Lu raises are infact superior in every aspect. Problem still I don't want to adjust my 2 cheap dumbbells everytime, so instead put the 4 heavy plates on one bar and the 4 lighter ones on the other. Now what I did is I used the lighter dumbbell for assymetrical raises, not only lifting them sideways above my head without rotating my hand, but also to the side. Difficult to explain in text, if this thread stays alive I'll make a webm. I am not kidding, I always have some nonhurting cracking and popping in my shoulders, especially the left one. But after doing this exercise yesterday kind of fixed that. I'm really surprised. Read that light Lu raises are a favourite shoulder training method for physiotherapists.
This variation must exist somewhere, but couldn't find it. Asymetrical 3/4 full rom lat raises? Like a clock going from 3 to 12 o clock
>Lu raises
that's front, anterior delt and tension goes through bicep tendon like with any "lateral" raises you fricking mongoloid impersonating bot
behind ur back, when bent over, all weight lies entirely on tricep muscle, one hand at a time - last one applies everywhere it's possible, like abs don't divide in 2 but delts are surely 2 separate muscles
>what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
think triceps extensions nobody does (but me for short head of tricep, it's already grown from that) but with locked elbow, don't need to be straight just locked
and that is all folks, i'm done "arguing" with bot, what a waste of time lol
ok last one so that maybe 1 reading real human does not think i'm completely moronic
9th minute of this insufferable sodomite - yes read delt is behind ur facking back and nobody can isolate read delt from mid head, for all intents delt is only front and back, now i'm rly gone bb
bb raging homosexual
you are correct but unfortunately an insufferable c**t
https://themusclephd.com/range-of-motion-and-growth/
>Therefore, it’s probably prudent to use a mostly lengthened or neutral range of motion on most delt exercises – you’ll definitely want to avoid training the delts at shorter lengths. With this in mind, exercises like front or lateral raises should only be done to the point where your arm is parallel to the floor; any higher and you’re likely achieving active insufficiency in the muscle.
>if muscular development is all that you seek, you probably don’t need a full ROM with the delts, at least at the top of the movement, anyways.
but what does it mean? Somebody translate to troglodyte speak
don't raise your arms above your head and little stretch is good
>don't raise your arms above your head
why? Honest question. Lu raises feel better than normal lat raises. Why not use a wider ROM?
there are more important things than ROM. you're better off sacrificing a little ROM, stretch, and volume for more weight and fewer reps, particularly for an exercise like this. smash out some upright rows for 3 sets then go straight into 15 rep lat raises with your arms out like this anon
said. I prefer with a slight bend in elbow. cable lat raise where you can get a deep stretch is fantastic too. If anything, the liu raise can be done at the end of your shoulder day imo
It means there's no point in going up past parallel on lateral raises because your lateral delts are no longer effective in that position.
yes ok, but there is no downside to it? Treat it like a compound exercise?
You'll get to frick if you get strong in this exercise bro.
Time to raise the roof brahs
Facts. Across all the women I've been with throughout my life, I always ask what their favorite muscle is on a guy, and it's majority shoulders.
the machine version is far superior, much better stimulus and better resistance curve
I made so much more gains on the machine, but I don't see these machines often in gyms
Because they are shit. Use dumbells and get the overload training from gravity force. This also doesn't let you use your core as much, you lose a good portion of the chest to shoulder action
>Because they are shit
cope more
If you want size you need to lift heavy. Doing these cable shit is only good for getting cardio reps in. Lat raises with 30lbs btfos this whole machine
I lat raised 65 for 5 and do 50 for reps and i prefer the machine because your wrists don’t limit you
Bull shit
>Lat raises with 30lbs btfos this whole machine
Some machines are superior. Barbells and dumbbells are only effected by gravity in one direction. A lateral raise machine or a back pullover machine has a consistent resistance curve.
>further isolating an isolation movement is....bad!
Real. my hands hurt with the dumbbells when I do high rep and/or go heavy above 50 lbs
You are not doing 50lb lat raises. Bullshit
>does nothing
inb4 some unasked form advice. Literally everyone does these and dumbbell curls yet most people look like shit.
>only thing sore next day are my traps
These partial db raises with heavy weights is awesome exercise. I do 2x20 these before I do regular 3x10-15 db raises with lower weight.
Also do them sitting down on a bench
weak b***h
anon, now I'm gonna do it, thank you for making me move my arms <3
>Frick this exercise, bro
dumbest shit ever, nobody does it like this though, everybody is fricking with too much weight and doing swinging partials which ironically is the way to do them if u want any delt engagement
it's wrong, dunno what u were aiming here for bot, u wanted to diss this exercise because u think it's good ? because it's patently obvious bot u're giving ONLY bad advice pretending to be lotta humans talking
what u want to do is bend over (kneel, whatever - change ur torso to moar horizontal) and move ur arm backwards, yes backwards, it will go to the side anyways a bit, start with 5 kilos, do one arm at a time compare side to side in the process, it's 6-8 in motion, keep weight resting on your tricep entire time, u can rest dumbbell on ur forearm
this made my delt 3d in about a month natty4life whereas pullups, rows, regular side raises, deadlifts whatever - nothing works, but this does
>hands higher than elbows in the end position
>he shifted the tension to fibers that are NOT part of his mid delt
Because the weight WAS still too high
QualityOfContractionlets will waste YEARS
I feel like I've been frauding this lift. I'm been doing 17.5lbs but I feel my reps are half assed. I'll try doing 15lbs next shoulder session
Powershitters will bench with the biggest arch to reduce the ROM but go “Muh form” when it comes to lat raises. Don’t be afraid to use a little body English to go past failure on these. You should eventually move on from baby weight too like almost every other lift.
Bend over slightly, torso at about a 60-75 degree angle. It will remove the anterior delts and add in more rear delts without losing any lateral delt stimulus.
What if I sit on a slightly inclined bench and do the opposite? Will it use my front delts without detracting from side delt stimulus? I like to do powell raises for the rear delts.
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