Chest-supported are the best for getting extra volume after you're fatigued from barbell rows. They're both excellent. I hate IST's mentality that if you're not doing the single most optimal exercise then you're wasting your time, most lifts that aren't obviously moronic can be implemented well as part of an effective program. Just do both.
Tier list for back/rowing exercises: dumbbell rows, seated rows, incline dumbbell rows, t bar rows... bent over barbell is a dog shit lower back, hamstring exercise
All rows are shitty erector/hamstring exercises, you dumbass, they're for targeting your upper back. They're not for your erectors/hamstrings any more than a squat is a core exercise. Barbell rows are a great lift if you're strict about them.
An incline bench, it's typically hinged so you can have it flat, 45 degrees, vertical. You can find them used for cheap and it's well worth it, opens up a lot of possibilities.
??????? WTF is back thickness?
I thought it was about the spinal erectors at first, but it's not?
how do rows make your muscles grow differently than with pull ups???
More direct trap and rhomboid stimulus, which are the muscles that contribute to what people call back thickness. Lats is lats, you can't choose whether they get wider or thicker. They just grow.
Picrel is actually a delt exercise. I've been doing them standing with a barbell, and they make my rear and lateral delts burn like hell even if I use momentum.
I've just switched from standard bent over rows to Yates rows. I actually want a little bit of bicep activation since I'm trying to focus on them more in general, and Dorian Yates back is proof that they work.
why not just do a better compound and do bent barbell rows.
Literally the same muscles but you add all the other stabality mucles
You can't cheat on Incline Rows.
Exactly. Do heavy cheat rows and then higher volume strict chest supported rows.
>Literally the same muscles but you add all the other stabality mucles
you're moronic
Bent rows are limited by lower back strength, dumbbells also give better higher rom wich is better for hypertrophy.
Not if you do them correctly with a horizontal back angle off the floor
Chest-supported are the best for getting extra volume after you're fatigued from barbell rows. They're both excellent. I hate IST's mentality that if you're not doing the single most optimal exercise then you're wasting your time, most lifts that aren't obviously moronic can be implemented well as part of an effective program. Just do both.
NO YOU HAVE TO BE A FAT POWERSHITTER LIKE ME! YOU CAN ONLY DO COMPOUND LIFTS YOU HAVE TO BE 30% BODY FAT OR YOURE WEAK
ugh
Nobody ever says this. You're an autistic liar you need to stop making recognizable seethe posts.
bb rows took me to snap city.
i squatted and deadlifted my ass off for years, and it was bb rows that fricking did it to me.
frick bb rows.
THICK BACK SKINNY CACK
>look like a massive homosexual while doing them
Yeah, miss me that gay shit
This. All the exercises that makes me lay down on my tummy makes me feel like a gay
*blocks you're path*
Tier list for back/rowing exercises: dumbbell rows, seated rows, incline dumbbell rows, t bar rows... bent over barbell is a dog shit lower back, hamstring exercise
All rows are shitty erector/hamstring exercises, you dumbass, they're for targeting your upper back. They're not for your erectors/hamstrings any more than a squat is a core exercise. Barbell rows are a great lift if you're strict about them.
Bad core = bad squat thoughbeit
Dis one nice if u have lower back fatigue from deadlifting and squatting. but if ur lower back has power, use it!
What is the name of these training chairs?
Bench
An incline bench, it's typically hinged so you can have it flat, 45 degrees, vertical. You can find them used for cheap and it's well worth it, opens up a lot of possibilities.
??????? WTF is back thickness?
I thought it was about the spinal erectors at first, but it's not?
how do rows make your muscles grow differently than with pull ups???
More direct trap and rhomboid stimulus, which are the muscles that contribute to what people call back thickness. Lats is lats, you can't choose whether they get wider or thicker. They just grow.
>you can't choose whether they get wider or thicker. They just grow.
Ngmi mindset you are wrong
Vertical Vs horizontal pulling is clearly going to activate in a different way.
Picrel is actually a delt exercise. I've been doing them standing with a barbell, and they make my rear and lateral delts burn like hell even if I use momentum.
I've just switched from standard bent over rows to Yates rows. I actually want a little bit of bicep activation since I'm trying to focus on them more in general, and Dorian Yates back is proof that they work.
It just feels awkward to lay on the bench and tp get the dumbbells up.. t 6'4
*Does it better*
I hate these because I can never do the full range of motion when it's right at the back of my rep range I can't move
those are oddly detailed feet