I’ve got bad news for you: you are not attracted to women.
You are attracted to men.
You are a homosexual homosexual.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you admit it.
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too.
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man
and even if they had, they wouldn't have looked nearly as muscular as the roided chicks, the homosexuals ITT are drooling over, just a bit toned.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao this is exactly what I imagine all the /misc/cucks obsessively spamming threads with their tradmaxx nonsense look like.
9 months ago
Anonymous
no this is what tradmaxxing polcucks look like
9 months ago
Anonymous
>some false flagging israelite from NY
Kys rabbi.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>i don't like what I look like so it must be the juice
Very normal response
>women don't naturally have developed muscles
You don't either, so that means you're a woman at best and a troony at worst.
>n-n-n-no b-but muscles on women are gay
I dunno anon, they have pussies and smell like women, but an incel like you wouldn't know that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Why u mad? Show breasts.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Post wrist.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was just about to respond but you got before me
Anon showing some feminine energy over there
>women don't naturally have developed muscles
You don't either, so that means you're a woman at best and a troony at worst.
>n-n-n-no b-but muscles on women are gay
I dunno anon, they have pussies and smell like women, but an incel like you wouldn't know that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's a muscle ho.
9 months ago
Anonymous
lmao, see how right I was? you absolutely pathetic mouthbrether had to pull nonsensical ad hominems out of your your ass, you have no way of proving, to even respond with anything, while I was able to demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt you're a prancing homosexual on the content of your post alone.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just say you're insecure about a woman having better abs than you bro, I can feel the pain radiating from you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>just say insecure about a woman having a better dick than you, bro, I can feel the pain radiating from you
9 months ago
Anonymous
>anon immediately starts talking about penises
Time to come out of the closet bro
9 months ago
Anonymous
some kind of artificial FtM penis montrosity is about as natural as anavar-induced shreded physique, you fricking homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
>dedicates a whole post to talking about penises and trannies >calls someone a homosexual
The closet is made out of glass at this point bro
9 months ago
Anonymous
>you're a dicksucker >s-stop talking about dicks
lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
>thread about women >anon screams about dicks for several posts
Just tell us you're gay at this point bro
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, looks like you liked being called a wienersucker so much, that you've been bringing it up over multiple posts
9 months ago
Anonymous
>anon constantly talks about penises >"y-y-you wienersucker"
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
see, another one. you can't get enough of it
9 months ago
Anonymous
are all those wieners in the room with us right now, anon?
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
>muh hecin' aryan germanic ancestors who shat in the woods before accepting jeebuz were right or something
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
>muh breasts >muh old days >muh labor >muh traditional aesthetic
Lmao what a bunch of homosexuals, pic rel was the ideal woman in the past, stop saying moronic shit
9 months ago
Anonymous
Omg you are so fricking mad right now
9 months ago
Anonymous
This is literally the kind of woman I meant, why are you so flustered? Gain test.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're bouncing around the thread and screeching uncontrollably.
What's the issue anon, mad that people are frickin and you're not?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Which anon are you talking about? lmao sort your shit out, guy. Spazzing out in here.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So you're just into fat prostitutes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>a skinnyfat blob with chest fat is peak femininity
kek
You really have a problem with this, it's makes you come off quite gay.
Plenty of women as depicted in these paintings had some fat according to their environmental circumstances. What else were they to look like?
9 months ago
Anonymous
How many children do you have?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Damn, calm down, MOM!
9 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a sexless /misc/chud
uh ohhhhh
9 months ago
Anonymous
9 months ago
Anonymous
>muh breasts >bunch of homosexuals >because muh jacked physiques are the peak of femininity
pottery lmao, only the absolute dumbfrick wouldn't be able to detect the absolute irony of this statement. just because someone draw chubby women, doesn't mean they were considered peak feminity, it was more like pic related and I already posted what an actually sexy body looks like
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too.
it's absolutely mindboggling how you can prefer a jacked biceps over those breasts and still somehow be able to muster enough congnitive dissonance to stay in the closet
9 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like a shitskin.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I actually live in a fully white country and haven't even seen a shitskin up close, while you're surrounded by them and your blodline is tainted by them, that's why you brought them up
9 months ago
Anonymous
>a skinnyfat blob with chest fat is peak femininity
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
you'd prefer pecs instead, gaygo? wide hips, narrow shoulders soft feminine body will always be more attractive than a jacked monstrosity.at any tit size.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>skinnyfat blob with chest fat >feminine
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pecs >feminine
while it's usually the bigger the better with breasts, even a flat chest on a soft feminine body is better than a shredded anavar monstrosity with fake breasts
9 months ago
Anonymous
>skinnyfat blob with chest fat >feminine
kekaroo
9 months ago
Anonymous
looks like your 70IG Black person mind is unable to grasp the concept of a comparison
9 months ago
Anonymous
>skinnyfat dyel blob >chest fat >feminine
lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
as oposed a hulk physique? yes, a soft wide-hipped physique will always be feminine, unlike a shredded one >dyel
it's hilarious how you can't even resist from looking at women through men's standards
That picture is scary. How tf can someone not grasp that concept? Is this what happens when people drink water out of lead pipes?
9 months ago
Anonymous
purely economic factors
9 months ago
Anonymous
>people
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's indeed scary how the majority of people (I suspect in between 75%-80%) can not grasp the concept of hypotheticals. This is more common in women by the way, say 95% of women and 60% of men, but it evens out.
This is the true definition of the NPC, someone or something that is NOT outside of their own existence on this Earth
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It's indeed scary how the majority of people (I suspect in between 75%-80%) can not grasp the concept of hypothetical
it's like almost every single person in /fraud/, I don't even have anything against roids, but it's totally ridiculous how absolutely dumb almost everyone in those generals is. it's like talking to a bunch of alpacas. is it because they seem to be straight from r/SteroidsWiki?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Black folk don't have empathy
9 months ago
Anonymous
Um hello why do you think they are the way they are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, lead aggressiveness was the root of Roman expansion and Boomer hypercapitalism.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Subsaharans are subhuman. They do not have the mental intelligence to grasp higher levels of thought. It's been several centuries since removing some of them from the subsaharan and even with access to higher education and race mixing this experiment has proved just how limited their intelligence is and why they all need to be returned and left alone.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pottery lmao, only the absolute dumbfrick wouldn't be able to detect the absolute irony of this statement. just because someone draw chubby women, doesn't mean they were considered peak feminity, it was more like pic related and I already posted what an actually sexy body looks like
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too. it's absolutely mindboggling how you can prefer a jacked biceps over those breasts and still somehow be able to muster enough congnitive dissonance to stay in the closet
9 months ago
Anonymous
Face>hips>ass>breasts
Simple as
9 months ago
Anonymous
face>breasts=hips>ass
9 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough anon, I for one am ok with small breasts as long as the girl has a pretty face.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, artists in this period drew fat girls because they would get in trouble with the church for painting attractive women in the nude.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Most nude artists couldn't/wouldn't/weren't allowed get women to model, so they instead used overweight men. Hence your pic related.
>secondary sexual characteristics
Meme.
Breasts aren't indicative of any sexual/survival/genetic quality and aren't indicative of fertility or the ability to give birth.
Even hips aren't a good indicator due to the internal angle of the hip bones around the birth canal not being displayed in any way on the female body, combined with the increasing average volume of newborns' heads.
The best indicator of good genetics and health in a woman are symmetry in both the face and body and lack of disease - physical and mental.
Actual healthy bodyfat levels for females vary in the 10 - 25% range depending on the woman, which means abs on a woman aren't unhealthy and saying otherwise is just propagating HAES bullshit.
This is your brain on /misc/ memes, you Black folk sound like a bunch of facebook moms.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Indeed boobs grow during pregnancy, the human body is marvelous like that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mammary gland growth is unrelated to pre-pregnancy breast size.
There's nothing /misc/meme about a woman's sexual physical characteristics. That being said, you are correct about their quality of health and I myself scope women on this thoroughly.
It's a meme.
Those characteristics are not related to survival or genetic quality, nor are they indicative of a female's structure - physical, hormonal, mental.
At which point it's just about whatever makes your dick hard.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There's nothing /misc/meme about a woman's sexual physical characteristics. That being said, you are correct about their quality of health and I myself scope women on this thoroughly.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>10 - 25%
you are using male visual bodyfat standards here. add another five and you are closer to what you really mean. 10% bodyfat on female is shredded for body building show lean. so it'd be like saying "being 5% body fat all around the year is fine for a guy".
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong.
10 - 25% is a range accounting for both extremes.
Which means 15 - 18% will be the average for most women.
Even 25% is pushing it on the upper limit because at that point a person is just fat, which - again - is just HAES cultism.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Breasts aren't indicative of any sexual/survival/genetic quality
it doesn't have to be genetic quality. reproduction isn't perfect like that. it's a case of heterosexual men being wired to find the characteristics women acquire when they're physically ready to have children, attractive, which is the easiest way to ensure the women get pregnant at the correct time. e.g. women start menstruating earlier than their breasts reach full size, but, while they're technically able to get pregnant, their bodies aren't fully ready for it yet.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't have to be genetic quality.
Then they don't represent any of those qualities, which means arguing attraction and sexual characteristics based on those arbitrary elements doesn't make any sense.
>it's a case of heterosexual men
Heterosexual men are just attracted to women, everything else is background noise unless the man has options.
At which point - again - you're just deciding what makes your dick hard.
>women start menstruating earlier than their breasts reach full size, but, while they're technically able to get pregnant, their bodies aren't fully ready for it yet.
Wrong way of thinking.
The ability to grow mammary gland tissue is independent of other growth factors in a female's body before/during/after pregnancy, that's why you'll sometimes see 15 year olds breastfeeding.
you sound like that homosexual who likes hairy women
9 months ago
Anonymous
excessive body hair is on par with overdeveloped muscles for masculine features, so it would actually be you, homo. you already like pecs on women, so hairy chest is not much of a strech
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
based grown man poster.
everyone else is just kids indoctrinated with marvel movies.
Works for me tho. More gentle feminine women for me, the more self deluding homos, less competition.
I WANNA LICK TOMBOY ABS, THAT'S IT, AND NO YAPPING WILL CHANGE MY MIND
9 months ago
Anonymous
tomboys have nothing to do with thses shredded abominations and had existed long before the mental illness of making female bodies look as masculine as possible even started
The seething this post has accumulated is proof that every single ISTanon is a closeted homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Animetard projection
yiiiiiikes
9 months ago
Anonymous
Some of it is true and some of it is either false or cringe.
>Animetard projection
yiiiiiikes
projection >yiiiiiikes
Yes, Basically this.
I can talk on this as most my exes were tomboys and my current GF is too.
Tomboys are just women who tend to thnk more logically rather than emotionally like most women do.
And obvously they have more male-centric interests and hobbies.
Few things I find to be untrue or just plain stupd : >Not really intrested in sex
Not true. Tomboys wll have higher testosterone levels than othr women, so they will absolutely be interested in sex, maybe even more than other women.
But the difference is that they have no interests in being promiscuous, unlike most young women.
Tomboys want a boyfriend that is good in bed, because hey usually have a high sex drive, but not always.
Same with >No really interested in a relationship
Well yes and no.They don't seek relationships the same way other women do. For tomboys it happens naturally, for 2 reasons. First is that they hang out with guys, so the tomboy is more likely to be romantically pursued just by virtue to being exposed to men all the time. And 2, speaking for myself, the tomboy aesthetic and attitude is very attractve to us men, or me at least, and therefore men will absolutely try to bang them. So they often end up in a relatonship without really seeking anything. t just happens naturally due to circumstances and their sex appeal.
>Tomboys are normal body or flat
Tomboys are usually good looking. They are usually skinny, rarely if ever fat. I've never seen a fat/obese tomboy, personally.
But the ones I dated really had nce bodies.
However current tomboy GF is a bit flat, because she's really skinny and tall for a girl. So I understand why that would be a sterotype.
>Bouncy energetic
A lot of tomboys are really like that. The best erm I could find is Bubbly. They have a Bubbly personality. Or "bouncy" is anoher way to put it I guess.
I could go on but TLDR.
If you want, I can cont.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up none cares, didn't read.
Tomboys are slightly masculine women opposed to bimbos. That's all. We don't care about (YOU)r shitty narrow-minded smart-ass definition.
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too.
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
>but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man
and even if they had, they wouldn't have looked nearly as muscular as the roided chicks, the homosexuals ITT are drooling over, just a bit toned.
>anons screeching about liking athletic women making you gay turn out to be the average /misc/chud incel
>elbows too pointy 2/10
you'd fall to your knees and suck the shit out of her butthole if she told you she'd let you have sex with her, you fricking virgin kek
>rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs >in contact with aliens >rumoured to possess psychic abilities >control france with an iron fist >own castles and banks all over the world >direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line >will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city) >own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth >first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies >both brothers said to have 200+ IQ >ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them >They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world >You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now >The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church >They learned fluent French in under a week >Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff >The twins are 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human. >In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe >The Bogdanoffs will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
I'm convinced she was pressured to get more bogged by uglier jealous girls. The same way 9/10 girls get breast reductions to become a 7/10 because other women can't stand her getting all the attention. Being so pretty ensures an easy life with chance on a prime husband, but getting these surgeries downgrades her to marrying a regular man
>objectively gay
No, sex between people with the same gender is gay. Muscles aren't "male" per se, the only definition of "male" you need is the presence of XY chromosomes. Everything else is just expression, a masculine girl is not a boy, and a feminine man is not a woman
>>muh 0.000001% of the population
I obviously illustrate with the extreme, but saying >muscular isnt gay because pussy is not gay
is slightly more nuanced, you cant boil everything to its logical conclusion
9 months ago
Anonymous
Pussy isn't gay, just the owner is mentally ill. Then it becomes a matter of whether you want to frick a mentally ill woman.
It’s the same as men: anything more than the natty limit is too much. You will NEVER be “too muscular” as a guy or girl unless you hop on a shit ton of gear and train like a madman.
Those chicks look like cartoons, they're fricked in the head. Men are designed to be the muscle, in every way if you get what I mean. Women are designed to be a dainty flower, not a mutated, mutilated she-beast.
Nah that's too liberal, it depends on the muscle.
Muscular trackrunner thighs can look good on women
Semi-defined abs can.
Boulder shoulders, wide lats and lean veal chests do not.
A woman isn't gonna get boulder shoulders and wide lats unless she basically reaches her natural potential after 3+ years of training HARD.
Even then, that's a matter of minor preferences not that she's left the realm of conventionally attractive
It depends a lot on the bones, women with feminine skeletons can get away with more muscle than the rest of women.
Maintaining reasonably high body fat levels is also important, low body fat usually look unhealthy on women imo.
it's never an attractive trait by itself in females, unless you're gay, but it's tolerable to a high degree if the girl is cute. I'd say it becomes a huge turnoff when, unsurprisingly, the girl is more jacked than what can typically be achieved naturally for women and starts looking like the anavar/sarms teritory, i.e.the level of musculature only achievable for males in nature
she's fricking hot until you see her neck. then all of a sudden you notice how manly she is. I bet without a pump, she doesn't look TOO big to not frick but that neck man. she's gotta wear dresses at the gym to remind people she's not a dude
You erode masculinity in front of small girls and boys and girls become manly while boys shun masculinity out of fear and become feminine and weak.
Its been done on human race since Christ was crucified.
She's so damn pretty. Smooth, not all shredded and lean, which is the real boner killer. Im fricking huge (6'5", 265 with a abs) so she's still really small to me.
This, there is an agenda on testosterone and feminization of men in the west, but sterilizing is yourself with roids is not the answer. Lifestylemaxx and healthmaxx.
roiding isn't even the worst. the trannies in /fraud/ get triggered when someone entertains the idea of having functioning balls and doing PCT, instead of atrophying them completely by never getting off test
Yikes, I pity trannies they need mental help not a wienertail of altering drugs or chopping off healthy body parts.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Alessandra Alvez like most of those Brazilian chicks was totally on juice, I don't think anyone would ever deny that.
But they particularly have a diesel looking woman fetish over there so at that point it becomes a regional cultural thing.
Doesn't matter, really. What matters is if she's pleasant to be around. Does she cook, does she clean, does she suck dick on demand? If she's so vain as to look like that, the answer is probably no.
Ask yourself this:
Are they in a position where they directly benefit from having a better physique?
Are they an influencer? Roids
Are they trying to sell you something? Roids
Are they in hollywood? Roids
Even skinny as frick models with no remarkable musculature are given clen to drop a few lbs before a shoot.
In their position, why wouldn’t they use roids and then lie to get ahead?
Guarantee they’ve done more ruthless shit for less.
>lower body
Muscles are attrative as long as they make it look more feminine and round and not less >upper body
Basically less is more. The less upper body muscles you have, the more feminine you are
This is awful AND I have yellow fever, but that upper body is just gross. The lower body probably is too, but we just cant tell. Those shoulders arent even human.
what is it with young women being addicted to plastic surgery. they get their nose done, ok fine. lip injections and new boobs, sure every insta girl does. but then they basically change their entire face to become a completely different person. why?
a session with a psychotherapist would've probably cost a lot less.
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I'm convinced she was pressured to get more bogged by uglier jealous girls. The same way 9/10 girls get breast reductions to become a 7/10 because other women can't stand her getting all the attention. Being so pretty ensures an easy life with chance on a prime husband, but getting these surgeries downgrades her to marrying a regular man
was thinking that bimbo friend of hers slowly corrupted her to get bogged. bf is a cuck
Getting surgery is a little bit of work with a little bit of results (and a lot of money), and she gets a little bit of attention back to her profile. They're discussing it even on IST for crying out loud! If you consider attention is her entire business model it starts to make sense. You can only post so many of the same bikini photos on OF before the views dry up, she has to keep improving/growing/trying even bigger dildos or anything to keep the attention
>a little bit of results (and a lot of money)
It seems she didn't pay enough, even her boob job is bogged, in some angles you can see some slight/ beginning stage of breast implant extrusion where you can see the shape of the implant itself through her skin.
Yes anon, against the light you see can the edge of her implants pressing through her skin on the sides, sorry I don't simp for cheap fricked up tit jobs
When the frame itself starts becoming masculinized
I also personally dont like shredded abs on a woman
I prefer abdominals that are barely visible through a thin layer of aesthetically distributed sub-q fat
Alright. It's not a very interesting subject but it happens I'm particularly interested in it.
First of all, fitgirls, like women being fit, not just attractive bimbos lifting small weight to stay in shape and slim, women being really fit is a gym culture. Normies don't like it, they associate muscle with masculinity, power, aggressiveness, dominant character etc. So, to them a woman with muscles is a woman larping men and men liking it are either bizarre or just closeted gay. You know it since you read it everyday on IST. Is it a coincidence if that board is the gayest of all boards including /lgbt/, IST and IST? I don't think so. Anyway liking Alice Matos etc is a gym culture so it's logical that you, a ISTbro is more likely to appreciate this physique of a woman. And since beauty is subjective then of course you'll be more attracted by a fit body, that doesn't make you right or them wrong etc. It's just different taste because of different cultures. Would you be attracted by a landwhale Black person? No. Yet you will find tons of weirdos attracted by that in /gif/ etc.
Secondly : another criteria, a lot more objective, enters the subject. Feminity. What is a feminine body? How muscular can you be and still be feminine? Good question, right? Implicitly asked in OP.
My answer is : the more likely the feminine traits of a woman will be preserved, the more likely this fit woman will be likely to attract men, normies or not.
Let me explain. The body has very general yet precise shapes. A man is supposed, in our culture, to have wider shoulders than his hips, a prominent jaw (that's why chew exercises etc, Arnold became an icon partly because of that), upper body bugger than bottom etc. The same goes for women. Big boobs, big ass, slim waist, alluring face, bushy eyelashes, more or less fair skin but not really today, etc.
The problem with some bodybuilder women and fitgirls is that they lift to the point they're more muscled than 80% of men camping (1/2)
the gym, having a bigger muscular volume than very fit men, and on top of that, their biology, morphology wouldn't help (picrel of my precedent message). Not forcely their fault, but maybe gymmaxxing isn't the smartest idea when you have no ass and your shoulders twice are larger than your hips which are as large as your waist. Not their fault but from an esthetic point of view, they pulled herself out of the archetypal feminine women by erasing their feminine traits.
I would personally list feminine traits as : >big round boobs >big round ass >hips larger than shoulders, even slightly >slim waist >alluring face as opposed to prominent square jaw and brow bones ≠ Arnold >thick eyelashes >too muscled also counts as a masculine trait.
What do we have for precedent picrel? >no ass >we can't see but we know no boobs >shoulders way larger than hips >hips as large as those of a man
Where are the feminine traits? For the body, in her case, they're all gone. That woman will feel masculine to any man, normie or gym bro and only deviant fetishizing muscles and masculinity will find her attractive. Logical.
Now let's take picrel.
Bitchie Eilish. Big boobs, wide hips, feminine face. Follow my precedent logic. She has all the biologic attributes of a woman. She could kill herself at the gym and we would still call her feminine because : >big boobs >wide hips (and more than the shoulders) >slim waist (at least more than hips and shoulders) >alluring face >etc
The only way for her to look masculine (besides cutting her boobs or ass with surgery) would be to become so skinny all her fat melt and overmuscular with steroids but even like that I doubt she can inverse her upper/lower body shape… she could become ugly but I even doubt she can naturally look masculine just with workout. Maybe just with a huge muscular volume.
>At what point does muscularity on a woman become unattractive?
Whatever they're able to achieve on 10mg of var. Any more than that starts to look too masculine. Basically there's no such thing as a natty woman with too much muscle, they're physically unable to gain too much.
You guys are like lost children. You don’t need to pick a type of woman. You simply need to climb high enough in society to be desirable then you can have it all. A trad wife at home, all the bimbos you want as well.
The moment her breasts become pecs it's over.
When they start looking like a man below the neck.
pic is where its at, she dont need to go further
There's a thin line on this subject and yes it can easily become a no-go
How do I get a girl like this? Good god.
I’ve got bad news for you: you are not attracted to women.
You are attracted to men.
You are a homosexual homosexual.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you admit it.
this. it's one thing to find her attractive despite some masculine feature, but the other thing entirely to be specifically attracted to them
NOOO YOU CAN'T FRICK WOMEN WITH GOOD TRAITS YOU HAVE TO FRICK A REAL WOMAN WHO WEIGHS 9001 POUNDS or something
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too.
Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
>but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man
and even if they had, they wouldn't have looked nearly as muscular as the roided chicks, the homosexuals ITT are drooling over, just a bit toned.
>Indeed. In the days of old, the only physical labor women had to do was walk or run short distances carrying water or their children, else they'd dwell in the hut. They were never meant to look hard and chisled. Some old era women naturally have more muscle mass than others, but it didn't look like it was put there through lifting boulders and tree logs and taxing physical labor like early man.
Lmao this is exactly what I imagine all the /misc/cucks obsessively spamming threads with their tradmaxx nonsense look like.
no this is what tradmaxxing polcucks look like
>some false flagging israelite from NY
Kys rabbi.
>i don't like what I look like so it must be the juice
Very normal response
so "in mincraft" actually doesn't work?
>women don't naturally have developed muscles
You don't either, so that means you're a woman at best and a troony at worst.
>n-n-n-no b-but muscles on women are gay
I dunno anon, they have pussies and smell like women, but an incel like you wouldn't know that.
Why u mad? Show breasts.
Post wrist.
I was just about to respond but you got before me
Anon showing some feminine energy over there
It's a muscle ho.
lmao, see how right I was? you absolutely pathetic mouthbrether had to pull nonsensical ad hominems out of your your ass, you have no way of proving, to even respond with anything, while I was able to demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt you're a prancing homosexual on the content of your post alone.
Just say you're insecure about a woman having better abs than you bro, I can feel the pain radiating from you.
>just say insecure about a woman having a better dick than you, bro, I can feel the pain radiating from you
>anon immediately starts talking about penises
Time to come out of the closet bro
some kind of artificial FtM penis montrosity is about as natural as anavar-induced shreded physique, you fricking homosexual
>dedicates a whole post to talking about penises and trannies
>calls someone a homosexual
The closet is made out of glass at this point bro
>you're a dicksucker
>s-stop talking about dicks
lmao
>thread about women
>anon screams about dicks for several posts
Just tell us you're gay at this point bro
yeah, looks like you liked being called a wienersucker so much, that you've been bringing it up over multiple posts
>anon constantly talks about penises
>"y-y-you wienersucker"
kek
see, another one. you can't get enough of it
are all those wieners in the room with us right now, anon?
>muh hecin' aryan germanic ancestors who shat in the woods before accepting jeebuz were right or something
>muh breasts
>muh old days
>muh labor
>muh traditional aesthetic
Lmao what a bunch of homosexuals, pic rel was the ideal woman in the past, stop saying moronic shit
Omg you are so fricking mad right now
This is literally the kind of woman I meant, why are you so flustered? Gain test.
You're bouncing around the thread and screeching uncontrollably.
What's the issue anon, mad that people are frickin and you're not?
Which anon are you talking about? lmao sort your shit out, guy. Spazzing out in here.
So you're just into fat prostitutes.
You really have a problem with this, it's makes you come off quite gay.
Plenty of women as depicted in these paintings had some fat according to their environmental circumstances. What else were they to look like?
How many children do you have?
Damn, calm down, MOM!
>it's a sexless /misc/chud
uh ohhhhh
>muh breasts
>bunch of homosexuals
>because muh jacked physiques are the peak of femininity
pottery lmao, only the absolute dumbfrick wouldn't be able to detect the absolute irony of this statement. just because someone draw chubby women, doesn't mean they were considered peak feminity, it was more like pic related and I already posted what an actually sexy body looks like
it's absolutely mindboggling how you can prefer a jacked biceps over those breasts and still somehow be able to muster enough congnitive dissonance to stay in the closet
You sound like a shitskin.
I actually live in a fully white country and haven't even seen a shitskin up close, while you're surrounded by them and your blodline is tainted by them, that's why you brought them up
>a skinnyfat blob with chest fat is peak femininity
kek
you'd prefer pecs instead, gaygo? wide hips, narrow shoulders soft feminine body will always be more attractive than a jacked monstrosity.at any tit size.
>skinnyfat blob with chest fat
>feminine
kek
>pecs
>feminine
while it's usually the bigger the better with breasts, even a flat chest on a soft feminine body is better than a shredded anavar monstrosity with fake breasts
>skinnyfat blob with chest fat
>feminine
kekaroo
looks like your 70IG Black person mind is unable to grasp the concept of a comparison
>skinnyfat dyel blob
>chest fat
>feminine
lol
as oposed a hulk physique? yes, a soft wide-hipped physique will always be feminine, unlike a shredded one
>dyel
it's hilarious how you can't even resist from looking at women through men's standards
>skinnyfat blob
>dyel
>chest fat
>feminine
kek
keep yappin
it broke
That picture is scary. How tf can someone not grasp that concept? Is this what happens when people drink water out of lead pipes?
purely economic factors
>people
It's indeed scary how the majority of people (I suspect in between 75%-80%) can not grasp the concept of hypotheticals. This is more common in women by the way, say 95% of women and 60% of men, but it evens out.
This is the true definition of the NPC, someone or something that is NOT outside of their own existence on this Earth
>It's indeed scary how the majority of people (I suspect in between 75%-80%) can not grasp the concept of hypothetical
it's like almost every single person in /fraud/, I don't even have anything against roids, but it's totally ridiculous how absolutely dumb almost everyone in those generals is. it's like talking to a bunch of alpacas. is it because they seem to be straight from r/SteroidsWiki?
Black folk don't have empathy
Um hello why do you think they are the way they are.
Yeah, lead aggressiveness was the root of Roman expansion and Boomer hypercapitalism.
Subsaharans are subhuman. They do not have the mental intelligence to grasp higher levels of thought. It's been several centuries since removing some of them from the subsaharan and even with access to higher education and race mixing this experiment has proved just how limited their intelligence is and why they all need to be returned and left alone.
>pottery lmao, only the absolute dumbfrick wouldn't be able to detect the absolute irony of this statement. just because someone draw chubby women, doesn't mean they were considered peak feminity, it was more like pic related and I already posted what an actually sexy body looks like
>not looking like a man equals fat
only in your moronic mind, broken by homosexuality, you're in denial about. women don't naturally have developed muscles and a physique requiring exogenous male-hormone analogs, or some hormonal imbalance, to maintain is a masculine trait. if you're attracted to that, you are gay. women are supposed to look feminine, i.e. prominent secondary sexual characteristics with a healthy bodyfat level, like webm related, instead of having a masculine level of muscular development, not looking like a fat blob, nor a stick, too. it's absolutely mindboggling how you can prefer a jacked biceps over those breasts and still somehow be able to muster enough congnitive dissonance to stay in the closet
Face>hips>ass>breasts
Simple as
face>breasts=hips>ass
Fair enough anon, I for one am ok with small breasts as long as the girl has a pretty face.
Nah, artists in this period drew fat girls because they would get in trouble with the church for painting attractive women in the nude.
Most nude artists couldn't/wouldn't/weren't allowed get women to model, so they instead used overweight men. Hence your pic related.
>if you're attracted to women
>you are gay
This is the smartest zoomer.
you're attracted to masculine characteristics specifically, unnatural to women, you coping homosexual and it's zoomers who want "muscle mommy"
>if you're attracted to women
>you're gay [with extra steps]
Sounds like you think about gay stuff a lot anon.
>secondary sexual characteristics
Meme.
Breasts aren't indicative of any sexual/survival/genetic quality and aren't indicative of fertility or the ability to give birth.
Even hips aren't a good indicator due to the internal angle of the hip bones around the birth canal not being displayed in any way on the female body, combined with the increasing average volume of newborns' heads.
The best indicator of good genetics and health in a woman are symmetry in both the face and body and lack of disease - physical and mental.
Actual healthy bodyfat levels for females vary in the 10 - 25% range depending on the woman, which means abs on a woman aren't unhealthy and saying otherwise is just propagating HAES bullshit.
This is your brain on /misc/ memes, you Black folk sound like a bunch of facebook moms.
Indeed boobs grow during pregnancy, the human body is marvelous like that.
Mammary gland growth is unrelated to pre-pregnancy breast size.
It's a meme.
Those characteristics are not related to survival or genetic quality, nor are they indicative of a female's structure - physical, hormonal, mental.
At which point it's just about whatever makes your dick hard.
There's nothing /misc/meme about a woman's sexual physical characteristics. That being said, you are correct about their quality of health and I myself scope women on this thoroughly.
>10 - 25%
you are using male visual bodyfat standards here. add another five and you are closer to what you really mean. 10% bodyfat on female is shredded for body building show lean. so it'd be like saying "being 5% body fat all around the year is fine for a guy".
Wrong.
10 - 25% is a range accounting for both extremes.
Which means 15 - 18% will be the average for most women.
Even 25% is pushing it on the upper limit because at that point a person is just fat, which - again - is just HAES cultism.
>Breasts aren't indicative of any sexual/survival/genetic quality
it doesn't have to be genetic quality. reproduction isn't perfect like that. it's a case of heterosexual men being wired to find the characteristics women acquire when they're physically ready to have children, attractive, which is the easiest way to ensure the women get pregnant at the correct time. e.g. women start menstruating earlier than their breasts reach full size, but, while they're technically able to get pregnant, their bodies aren't fully ready for it yet.
>it doesn't have to be genetic quality.
Then they don't represent any of those qualities, which means arguing attraction and sexual characteristics based on those arbitrary elements doesn't make any sense.
>it's a case of heterosexual men
Heterosexual men are just attracted to women, everything else is background noise unless the man has options.
At which point - again - you're just deciding what makes your dick hard.
>women start menstruating earlier than their breasts reach full size, but, while they're technically able to get pregnant, their bodies aren't fully ready for it yet.
Wrong way of thinking.
The ability to grow mammary gland tissue is independent of other growth factors in a female's body before/during/after pregnancy, that's why you'll sometimes see 15 year olds breastfeeding.
you sound like that homosexual who likes hairy women
excessive body hair is on par with overdeveloped muscles for masculine features, so it would actually be you, homo. you already like pecs on women, so hairy chest is not much of a strech
>like webm related
this b***h is so lazy she's got arms the size of my wrists and still covered in rolls of fat - frankly it's kinda remarkable
based grown man poster.
everyone else is just kids indoctrinated with marvel movies.
Works for me tho. More gentle feminine women for me, the more self deluding homos, less competition.
Sauce??
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON'T CARE
I WANNA LICK TOMBOY ABS, THAT'S IT, AND NO YAPPING WILL CHANGE MY MIND
tomboys have nothing to do with thses shredded abominations and had existed long before the mental illness of making female bodies look as masculine as possible even started
The seething this post has accumulated is proof that every single ISTanon is a closeted homosexual
>Animetard projection
yiiiiiikes
Some of it is true and some of it is either false or cringe.
projection
>yiiiiiikes
Yes, Basically this.
I can talk on this as most my exes were tomboys and my current GF is too.
Tomboys are just women who tend to thnk more logically rather than emotionally like most women do.
And obvously they have more male-centric interests and hobbies.
Few things I find to be untrue or just plain stupd :
>Not really intrested in sex
Not true. Tomboys wll have higher testosterone levels than othr women, so they will absolutely be interested in sex, maybe even more than other women.
But the difference is that they have no interests in being promiscuous, unlike most young women.
Tomboys want a boyfriend that is good in bed, because hey usually have a high sex drive, but not always.
Same with
>No really interested in a relationship
Well yes and no.They don't seek relationships the same way other women do. For tomboys it happens naturally, for 2 reasons. First is that they hang out with guys, so the tomboy is more likely to be romantically pursued just by virtue to being exposed to men all the time. And 2, speaking for myself, the tomboy aesthetic and attitude is very attractve to us men, or me at least, and therefore men will absolutely try to bang them. So they often end up in a relatonship without really seeking anything. t just happens naturally due to circumstances and their sex appeal.
>Tomboys are normal body or flat
Tomboys are usually good looking. They are usually skinny, rarely if ever fat. I've never seen a fat/obese tomboy, personally.
But the ones I dated really had nce bodies.
However current tomboy GF is a bit flat, because she's really skinny and tall for a girl. So I understand why that would be a sterotype.
>Bouncy energetic
A lot of tomboys are really like that. The best erm I could find is Bubbly. They have a Bubbly personality. Or "bouncy" is anoher way to put it I guess.
I could go on but TLDR.
If you want, I can cont.
Shut up none cares, didn't read.
Tomboys are slightly masculine women opposed to bimbos. That's all. We don't care about (YOU)r shitty narrow-minded smart-ass definition.
>anons screeching about liking athletic women making you gay turn out to be the average /misc/chud incel
>Dont know what else to ad hom so call them /misc/ and chud
Damn that brudda got your goat
You cry about being called names, but you never said I'm a liar.
If muscle women are gay then femboys are straight
>elbows too pointy 2/10
you'd fall to your knees and suck the shit out of her butthole if she told you she'd let you have sex with her, you fricking virgin kek
Her stopping herself from touching the pussy
The key is this chick has perfect skin (or a good filter) and I guarantee she's under 25. That % bf looks a LOT different on old women.
your pic rel is probably the limit
those shoulders are on the limit of too mscular
homie just say you like fatties
?????
stop pjecting chud
For me there is no such thing as too much as long as she doesn’t have an ugly ass roider face. The more the better.
as long as her proportions and features remain feminine it's fine
I'm down for any level as long as they don't get too top heavy.
Dude it's difficult for a man to get that shredded, even with steroids. How did that woman get an abdomen like that??
Women don't really store fat on the tummy it all goes to the booba and butta. Men put like 70% of their fat on their gut.
Yeah, you're right. I weigh like 160ish and all my fat is stored in my gut
fun fact, the human female is the only female primate wich has this fat distribution
That looks nasty
But I'd try nasty once
Imagine her doing sit up while you're fricking her
Real talk, how much bogged? is too much bogged
jesus christ, why
woman is why
I could've saved her
Kinda love her bimbo form ngl tbh
Look, great breasts and all but you look like Fury has been jabbing you in the face a whole 2 rounds. Cut the Jolie-isms and bullshit.
How fricked are average women if this 9/10 can't even be happy with her body?
This is an extreme case. Poor girl thinks she's a cartoon.
Goddamn her new boobs look good. But her face was perfect before.
They look really good clothed. But what about bare?
holy shittt
I must be moronic cus even with the name I can't find her
its shopped anyway
Ruined but you can see her real attractive self covered, making it worse.
>rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs
>in contact with aliens
>rumoured to possess psychic abilities
>control france with an iron fist
>own castles and banks all over the world
>direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)
>own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies
>both brothers said to have 200+ IQ
>ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now
>The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church
>They learned fluent French in under a week
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff
>The twins are 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human.
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe
>The Bogdanoffs will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
any bog is too much
Why didnt her bf stop her wtf morons both
>implying you can control women who have gotten a taste of social media fame
So this is the power of social media? Thanks feminism
🙁
I'm convinced she was pressured to get more bogged by uglier jealous girls. The same way 9/10 girls get breast reductions to become a 7/10 because other women can't stand her getting all the attention. Being so pretty ensures an easy life with chance on a prime husband, but getting these surgeries downgrades her to marrying a regular man
was thinking that bimbo friend of hers slowly corrupted her to get bogged. bf is a cuck
Even her hairline... it's so over simpbros...
She makes my Weiner tingle
I think this is pretty much my top end, and more muscularity is less attractive imo.
yeah that's great. toned, still has feminine curves, and unflexed muscle jiggles
source?
Mariana Morais
her breasts look kinda fake
anon read the background you blind c**t
>blind c**t
they've had multiple fashion shows
>perfect women don't exis-
no source yet except "drrr read the company that's on the back"
?t=163
took like 30 seconds to find gaygit
She needs to piss directly into my open eyelids and mouth.
frick i want to jerk off so bad but its not the time yet
Nice butt, but BTP is just softcore porn. What's the point?
this is pretty much a natty limit for females btw
The human mind is a mystery, she was perfect at this point, what the frick went so wrong.
I blame the israelites.
what happened
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO INCINERATE 6 MILLION BODIES WITH 1940s FURNACE TECHNOLOGY IN THE SPAN OF ONLY 3 YEARS.
6 million were never burned in a furnace though, that was never a consideration.
This is too much but I'd still hit it 2bh
>mogs 99.99% of IST
Now I know why muscle women are hated.
Like we don't see you caping just because we put a cap on females. Go beg her to put you in a headlock, manlet.
If only I could get with such a woman.
I do not have the penis to satisfy them their high libido.
Yeah, I recognize that it's objectively gay but I'd still bang a lot of muscle girls.
>objectively gay
No, sex between people with the same gender is gay. Muscles aren't "male" per se, the only definition of "male" you need is the presence of XY chromosomes. Everything else is just expression, a masculine girl is not a boy, and a feminine man is not a woman
its not that black and white anon
>its not that black and white anon
doesn't matter both are repulsive and belong in hell
Hell is not real, since 1848 when we killed God.
Heaven is on earth, so is purgatory and heaven.
>muh 0.000001% of the population
Then being a right winger makes you a suicidal incel with anger issues.
>>muh 0.000001% of the population
I obviously illustrate with the extreme, but saying
>muscular isnt gay because pussy is not gay
is slightly more nuanced, you cant boil everything to its logical conclusion
Pussy isn't gay, just the owner is mentally ill. Then it becomes a matter of whether you want to frick a mentally ill woman.
We've been through this before.
This is the perfect amount of muscle for a woman. Anything more is troony tier
too much of a beefcake for me
It's not just that. It's what you don't see until it's too late...
Crazy how women can have all that muscle yet still can't stop me from raping them. Funny how the world works
how are you gonna rape a woman when you don't leave your moms basement browncel?
it's still too much. you gay
why do asian women pull off muscle so well? this literally looks like the ideal woman. Like 10/10 perfection.
What's going on here? Anal beads?
shooped
It’s the same as men: anything more than the natty limit is too much. You will NEVER be “too muscular” as a guy or girl unless you hop on a shit ton of gear and train like a madman.
when they start to lose their feminity
You can see the stupid ass pad god that's lame.
This is the ideal female. anything more than this is pushing it.
SHOW FEET GODDAMNIT
biceps too big but i'd be lying if i said i didn't consider her exceptionally attractive
You might think this looks ok in a photo but in real life the bog looks so fricking uncanny that it's like staring at a giant walking mannequin
Her friend looks like Skye Blue.
Bros i want to be a woman so badly
I mean goddamn.
God bless plastic surgery
Quit spamming that ugly prostitute you homosexual.
wtf I love bimbofication now
Those chicks look like cartoons, they're fricked in the head. Men are designed to be the muscle, in every way if you get what I mean. Women are designed to be a dainty flower, not a mutated, mutilated she-beast.
There is no naturally achievable physique that is "too muscular" for women.
Without taking gear, bigger muscles just make them look MORE feminine
Nah that's too liberal, it depends on the muscle.
Muscular trackrunner thighs can look good on women
Semi-defined abs can.
Boulder shoulders, wide lats and lean veal chests do not.
A woman isn't gonna get boulder shoulders and wide lats unless she basically reaches her natural potential after 3+ years of training HARD.
Even then, that's a matter of minor preferences not that she's left the realm of conventionally attractive
>natural potential
> 3+ years
lol, back to r/weightroom you go.
>How much is too much? At what point does muscularity on a woman become unattractive?
God gave you a wiener to measure that
This is peak female form.
I'm a guy and starting to look like this from lifting are my hormones totally fricked up?
no, her hormones are fricked up
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What do women powerlifters look like?
It depends a lot on the bones, women with feminine skeletons can get away with more muscle than the rest of women.
Maintaining reasonably high body fat levels is also important, low body fat usually look unhealthy on women imo.
overly lean is unattractive to me, roided up cows are also unattractive
The boggenings I am truely upset about are Qimmah and Rae Lil Black.
This has nothing to do with fitness
Fit’n this dik
>I just pooted
Does that actually do anything or is the point to just show off their butthole?
>fitness is defined as an organism's ability to pass its genetic material to its offspring.
how is this not fitness related?
it's never an attractive trait by itself in females, unless you're gay, but it's tolerable to a high degree if the girl is cute. I'd say it becomes a huge turnoff when, unsurprisingly, the girl is more jacked than what can typically be achieved naturally for women and starts looking like the anavar/sarms teritory, i.e.the level of musculature only achievable for males in nature
Natty = Good
Roided = Bad
The b***hes with no breasts and veiny arms are always gearheads.
Surfs up. Just right
Good middle ground, who is she?
>another shelby spam thread
Daily reminder shelby got rejected by a fat demented latina.
>another thread full of poltards forcing their tradmaxx mommy fetish onto others
>At what point
When they mog you in leaness, definition, or vascularity obviously.
To me, it's none of that. This chick has a chest like a dude and V lats. That don't work for me.
Looks like a man in a dress, how gross.
You're gay lol
she has a man body homosexual, the face is saving her
she's fricking hot until you see her neck. then all of a sudden you notice how manly she is. I bet without a pump, she doesn't look TOO big to not frick but that neck man. she's gotta wear dresses at the gym to remind people she's not a dude
Her neck is the hottest part imo
absent or weak father.
I wish I was wrong. But it never fails.
Read Making of a slave by Lynch.
You erode masculinity in front of small girls and boys and girls become manly while boys shun masculinity out of fear and become feminine and weak.
Its been done on human race since Christ was crucified.
Return to pagan ways, the OG ways.
She's so damn pretty. Smooth, not all shredded and lean, which is the real boner killer. Im fricking huge (6'5", 265 with a abs) so she's still really small to me.
troony vibes fr fr
Natural only. Steroids are for the weak and inferior.
This, there is an agenda on testosterone and feminization of men in the west, but sterilizing is yourself with roids is not the answer. Lifestylemaxx and healthmaxx.
roiding isn't even the worst. the trannies in /fraud/ get triggered when someone entertains the idea of having functioning balls and doing PCT, instead of atrophying them completely by never getting off test
Yikes, I pity trannies they need mental help not a wienertail of altering drugs or chopping off healthy body parts.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Something like this is way past overboard.
Alessandra Alvez like most of those Brazilian chicks was totally on juice, I don't think anyone would ever deny that.
But they particularly have a diesel looking woman fetish over there so at that point it becomes a regional cultural thing.
There's definitely a frankenwoman anavar raging in here right now
could be a troony, who thinks it's feminine, too
Doesn't matter, really. What matters is if she's pleasant to be around. Does she cook, does she clean, does she suck dick on demand? If she's so vain as to look like that, the answer is probably no.
God I want to be in a toxic relationship with her and prey on her deep rooted insecurities.
Being female almost guarantees mental illness. Thank frick I'm not one.
I'd let this girl divorce rape me.
I'd let her peg me and keep me caged.
When she loses her Rita and her shoulder become wider than her hips
Are these women on roids or is it just genetics? Asking because I want to know if im a genetic failure.
Some are on roids for sure. Like this one:
All of them take some ped..no femsle.can look like tht natty
Some of you morons think no one can have abs without roids.
Ask yourself this:
Are they in a position where they directly benefit from having a better physique?
Are they an influencer? Roids
Are they trying to sell you something? Roids
Are they in hollywood? Roids
Even skinny as frick models with no remarkable musculature are given clen to drop a few lbs before a shoot.
In their position, why wouldn’t they use roids and then lie to get ahead?
Guarantee they’ve done more ruthless shit for less.
>a women with less feminine features and more muscle? SO HOT
/fit/=/lgbt/
the fat is oozing from your post
>lower body
Muscles are attrative as long as they make it look more feminine and round and not less
>upper body
Basically less is more. The less upper body muscles you have, the more feminine you are
Picrel is my type
same except that giant asian head
incel factory
This is awful AND I have yellow fever, but that upper body is just gross. The lower body probably is too, but we just cant tell. Those shoulders arent even human.
>what do you guys think?
My verdict is she's a shameless hoe
peak giulia right there.
too bad she went full bogdanovich
It's her face!
If her face is still nice and feminine looking then it's fine, if her face starts getting all manly then that's when I nope out.
Being too lean is the main issue imo, a muscular woman with high-regular body fat is ideal. 6-packs and striations are far beyond the pale.
is she still with that Italian dude?
In my opinion no natty woman can ever be too muscular and I love her and will kiss her. the girl reading this. I love you
She looks like a lizard person now, who convinced her to chop up her eyelids?
what is it with young women being addicted to plastic surgery. they get their nose done, ok fine. lip injections and new boobs, sure every insta girl does. but then they basically change their entire face to become a completely different person. why?
a session with a psychotherapist would've probably cost a lot less.
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Getting surgery is a little bit of work with a little bit of results (and a lot of money), and she gets a little bit of attention back to her profile. They're discussing it even on IST for crying out loud! If you consider attention is her entire business model it starts to make sense. You can only post so many of the same bikini photos on OF before the views dry up, she has to keep improving/growing/trying even bigger dildos or anything to keep the attention
>a little bit of results (and a lot of money)
It seems she didn't pay enough, even her boob job is bogged, in some angles you can see some slight/ beginning stage of breast implant extrusion where you can see the shape of the implant itself through her skin.
>in some angles
do you ever read what you write and wonder when it all went wrong?
Yes anon, against the light you see can the edge of her implants pressing through her skin on the sides, sorry I don't simp for cheap fricked up tit jobs
When the frame itself starts becoming masculinized
I also personally dont like shredded abs on a woman
I prefer abdominals that are barely visible through a thin layer of aesthetically distributed sub-q fat
Fatties are fricking malding in here.
Alright. It's not a very interesting subject but it happens I'm particularly interested in it.
First of all, fitgirls, like women being fit, not just attractive bimbos lifting small weight to stay in shape and slim, women being really fit is a gym culture. Normies don't like it, they associate muscle with masculinity, power, aggressiveness, dominant character etc. So, to them a woman with muscles is a woman larping men and men liking it are either bizarre or just closeted gay. You know it since you read it everyday on IST. Is it a coincidence if that board is the gayest of all boards including /lgbt/, IST and IST? I don't think so. Anyway liking Alice Matos etc is a gym culture so it's logical that you, a ISTbro is more likely to appreciate this physique of a woman. And since beauty is subjective then of course you'll be more attracted by a fit body, that doesn't make you right or them wrong etc. It's just different taste because of different cultures. Would you be attracted by a landwhale Black person? No. Yet you will find tons of weirdos attracted by that in /gif/ etc.
Secondly : another criteria, a lot more objective, enters the subject. Feminity. What is a feminine body? How muscular can you be and still be feminine? Good question, right? Implicitly asked in OP.
My answer is : the more likely the feminine traits of a woman will be preserved, the more likely this fit woman will be likely to attract men, normies or not.
Let me explain. The body has very general yet precise shapes. A man is supposed, in our culture, to have wider shoulders than his hips, a prominent jaw (that's why chew exercises etc, Arnold became an icon partly because of that), upper body bugger than bottom etc. The same goes for women. Big boobs, big ass, slim waist, alluring face, bushy eyelashes, more or less fair skin but not really today, etc.
The problem with some bodybuilder women and fitgirls is that they lift to the point they're more muscled than 80% of men camping (1/2)
the gym, having a bigger muscular volume than very fit men, and on top of that, their biology, morphology wouldn't help (picrel of my precedent message). Not forcely their fault, but maybe gymmaxxing isn't the smartest idea when you have no ass and your shoulders twice are larger than your hips which are as large as your waist. Not their fault but from an esthetic point of view, they pulled herself out of the archetypal feminine women by erasing their feminine traits.
I would personally list feminine traits as :
>big round boobs
>big round ass
>hips larger than shoulders, even slightly
>slim waist
>alluring face as opposed to prominent square jaw and brow bones ≠ Arnold
>thick eyelashes
>too muscled also counts as a masculine trait.
What do we have for precedent picrel?
>no ass
>we can't see but we know no boobs
>shoulders way larger than hips
>hips as large as those of a man
Where are the feminine traits? For the body, in her case, they're all gone. That woman will feel masculine to any man, normie or gym bro and only deviant fetishizing muscles and masculinity will find her attractive. Logical.
Now let's take picrel.
Bitchie Eilish. Big boobs, wide hips, feminine face. Follow my precedent logic. She has all the biologic attributes of a woman. She could kill herself at the gym and we would still call her feminine because :
>big boobs
>wide hips (and more than the shoulders)
>slim waist (at least more than hips and shoulders)
>alluring face
>etc
The only way for her to look masculine (besides cutting her boobs or ass with surgery) would be to become so skinny all her fat melt and overmuscular with steroids but even like that I doubt she can inverse her upper/lower body shape… she could become ugly but I even doubt she can naturally look masculine just with workout. Maybe just with a huge muscular volume.
Real or edited?
Obviously edited. you can see the cellulite on her thighs like cottage cheese. They could have done more to her fricked up Xanax face too.
not even edited, just AI generated from the start
Is she implying her pedophilic tendencies with that pov shot?
I've never seen too much irl
>At what point does muscularity on a woman become unattractive?
Whatever they're able to achieve on 10mg of var. Any more than that starts to look too masculine. Basically there's no such thing as a natty woman with too much muscle, they're physically unable to gain too much.
Very simple it's never too much.
damn this girl triggered the fatties harder than any fph
I fricked a ton of girls since I satrted lifting, there's nothing like slightly thick girls, muscle girls are terrible at every level.
post body
One of my best friends who loves thick girls (he's black) once had a 6' tall muscle girl.
It changed him.
How did it change him?
>6' muscle girl
Frick I wish that were me. I'm a 6' black mutt too
He swears by muscle mommies now. Still attracted to chubby girls, but strong girls make him go wild.
Gross
You guys are like lost children. You don’t need to pick a type of woman. You simply need to climb high enough in society to be desirable then you can have it all. A trad wife at home, all the bimbos you want as well.
>t. Never been mogged
Moonchild777 has the perfect female form. There's a discord dedicated to just her pics. It's awesome.