You ever consider the fact that most wild animals don’t get heart disease is because there aren’t any animals practicing in medicine giving us reports on their causes of death, moron? There aren’t a whole lot of animals that make it to old age either, they usually die, violently.
Oh boy. Grampa develops cancer and heart disease when he's 90 years old like all of the other old people who make it that long and dies in his sleep a few months later! HE SHOULDN'T HAVE EATEN THAT MEAT.
You literally posted an article about studied causes of death in orcas you dipshit lmao. I can tell you’re a vegan because your brain has little to no fatty tissue.
Sharks live 30~ years. Without touching an ounce of veggies, even as Fish, the third least longevus of animals. You want to see the other two?
Birds and insects, both 1/200th of a human's size minimum.
Mammals? Most carnivorous outlive veggiegay animals, only dying younger to fellow carnivores. Apex carnivores live 50+ years (not in species, but as the apex singular animal of a species).
Fish aren't mammals. They don't even have bones.
I can't think of a single mammalian apex predator, that outlives 20 by any significant margin.
Oh boy. Grampa develops cancer and heart disease when he's 90 years old like all of the other old people who make it that long and dies in his sleep a few months later! HE SHOULDN'T HAVE EATEN THAT MEAT.
Doesn't specify age.
Crocodile
Metabolisms of a metaphorical snail.
>Atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals?
Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.
>Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Humans can't ferment complex vegetation through extra stomachs and organs, like a herbivore.
Humans cannot convert vegetation into fats, like a gorilla can.
Human ancestors that are more herbivorous than us, have sharper teeth, thus not a direct correlation with predation.
Human teeths have SHRUNK since we were root-eaters.
Human brains grew as direct consequence of eating fats, organs and meats, which provided the huge energy requirements and a denser source of vitamins and minerals.
All prefarming human cultures showed a preference for hunting and eating meat, as did pre hominid cloae ancestors, such as Erectus ans Neanderthals.
>Atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals?
Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.
>Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Humans do not have the ability to ferment plant cellulose, which is a REQUIREMENT to be considered an herbivore. The rest of what you said doesn't matter.
>The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding)
https://phys.org/news/2021-03-human-brain-grew-result-extinction.html
The human brain itself is the most important organ for the human's hunting ability. Tthat brain and the fine motor control developed by human beings allows them to create very fine tools which allowed them function as carnivores without need to grow their own claws or teeth. >The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length)
The Human small intenstine is between 10 and 16 feet and the large intestine is about 5 feet long. For a 5' tall manlet, the intestine is only about 3-4 times that person's height
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459366/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507857/ >Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating.
Dogs and cats actually have sweat glands on their paws. It's not really a trait that indicates what the diet of an animal should be. Primates sweat but many of them are insectivores, not pure herbivores. >Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet
BMany herbivores actually do produce their own vitamin C. For example, Bovines can produce their own Vitamin C in their livers which is why there is usually a small amount vitamin C found in some amounts in their liver and kidneys.
https://dairy-cattle.extension.org/update-on-vitamin-nutrition-of-dairy-cows/ >Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Human are objectively omnivores/facultative carnivores whose bodies are designed to eat both meat and plant foods for sustenance.
>All extremely new evolutionary adaptations
Lol. They are all at least a million years old. Even homosexual erectus was eating meat, making tools, etc. You're going to tell me that these adaptations are all extremely new in spite of being able to look up anthropological history? Even the anatomically modern homosexual sapien is at least 150,000 years old. And the funniest part is that the agrarian lifestyle is the only extremely new thing with little or no recent human adaptation > you get bullshit no one else geta like
https://i.imgur.com/9sY5pgJ.jpg
It’s over. (OP)
Again, see
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/2155935 >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523070582
The modern human diet is very different from the diet homosexual sapiens ate for most of their existence. There is a problem with the human diet. But becoming a moronic vegan such as yourself will not fix it. Instead, the heart attacks will just come from nutritional deficiencies.
>Tthat brain and the fine motor control developed by human beings allows them to create very fine tools which allowed them function as carnivores without need to grow their own claws or teeth.
Ok so by your logic humans are herbivores since we must have lived that way for ages before we learned to make tools. Good job
>so by your logic humans are herbivores since we must have lived that way for ages before we learned to make tools
My logic does not imply that. >we >we must have lived that way for ages
First, neither myself nor you have lived that way. Second, you are not human based on your post. A human wouldn't have typed such a moronic post.
>The appendages of carnivores are claws
Tell me, where are the claws on an Orcs?
The argument about gut length is misleading - gut length isn't so characteristic of carnivore or herbivory as is gut volume in proportion to body size. Herbivores have a large gut volume as a proportion of their body, carnivores have a small gut as a proportion of body volume.
When we compare humans to our closest relatives, chimpanzees and gorillas, one of the most immediate differences are our much smaller guts.
I think you're missing the point. The question is whether apo-b bearing particles cause heart disease in humans and the answer yes. I don't care whether I'm designed to be an herbivore or carnivore. I just don't want to get heart disease.
Humans are herbivores. It's been known for decades that inducing heart disease in herbivores is as easy as feeding them a lot of saturated fat. Rabbits drop dead in days, pigs in weeks. Animal tests ran out of fashion so I propose we catch some live ketolards and put them in a cage and forcefeed saturated fat to see are they carnivores.
Actually eggs don't impact LDL if you are far and already have high cholesterol. If you have healthy cholesterol levels and introduce eating eggs they have a larger affect on you.
>risk >cause
to prove cause and effect an experiment is required, this gay (and op, who's also a dick sucking mongrel as always) have no understanding of the words they're using and want to lecture us on "ze science".
frick off >stable isotopes tests
done
>Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.
indisputable proof doesn't come cheap
>J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.
really not cheap
>M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
but wait there's more
I've also got a bridge to sell you. Really great deal trust me bro
remember, these are the idiots who will always yell "trust the science" and make you take 2 injections of experimental vaccines forcefully, then turn around and when presented with proof of their wrongdoings just exclaim "oh science changes, this means its good"
"correlation is not causation" is literally the study he pointed to, he will not admit that triglycerides ALONGSIDE high cholesterol cause atherosclerosis.
Braindead fricking scientists not understanding cause and effect.
most use unsaturated oils. Do you lie for a living or you do this for free? The exception being ice cream which is also cut with seed oils because they're cheaper
Are you implying that Safeway/Costco/Kroger and even Whole Foods don't have entire sections dedicated to meat and dairy?
Subway doesn't use meat and cheese?
Cereals aren't advertised as being consumed with dairy milk?
Pepsi doesn't sell Starbucks coffee drinks with milk in them? or chips with milk powder/cheese?
Tyson lmao?
Dannon lmao?
Cambells lmao?
How am I lying? You're just trying to form this false victim complex thinking they are all trying to keep you down and hide the "truth"
7 months ago
Anonymous
Most of those companies sell junk foods which mostly if not exclusively use unsaturated oils. Tyson and others are trying to get out of meat because its not profitable like processed plant foods. Go be a moron elsewhere thank you
7 months ago
Anonymous
Considering your only argument is "FUNDING!!!" I'd say you should go be a moron elsewhere. >Tyson and others are trying to get out of meat
So what you're saying is that Tyson funded studies saying saturated fat isn't good when that was completely against their own business model. If study results can be bought so easily why didn't they just fund studies that showed the opposite? Your own schizo conspiracy theories don't even make any sense.
>world's top scientists and doctors
Literal spineless homosexuals who'd never risk 10 years of med school and their 250k paycheck to expose information that wasn't approved for the masses
Kek, next you'll tell me you think the food pyramid is right. Doctors have been lying to thr public for decades and it didn't even cost that much to bribe them either. >Sugar good, carbs good, eggs bad mmmk?
Meanwhile most doctors are just as obese as their patients.
Doctors are shills who go by the book and the book is written by big pharma. They prescribe things that kill you. In Canada doctors will even prescribe you death directly (MAID).
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a graphical artifact. It's statistical noise laid out on a chart. It's all a product of incompetence. Look it up. Look the ad verecundiam fallacy up, as well.
Imagine sucking dick and eating shit for 10 or 20 years of your career and then you are told to go along with the mainstream ideas and big pharma or your career is at jeopardy. Now imagine on top of that that every moron that has common sense and can read scientific papers (and isn't jaded by technical terminology) actively refutes your obvious lies with simple 2+2 logic.
I would be angry too. "My title means something god damn it" I would shout. "I am leaders top scientist and doctor, that means I am right". Imagine all the tears and sweat, imagine all the bullying you had to endure. Imagine being proven wrong and then knowing you are wrong. You won't change your ideas, but you will personally be insulted. Best example of these high intellectual charlatanism and superiority complex today is Neil Degrasse Tyson. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sGikAWZu8)
Academics, doctors and other high professions were rebels during the early renaissance, going against the mainstream. Not only because they had money due to their businesses (old family money) to do so but also because they cared about truth more rather than paycheck from government and big pharma.
The funniest shit is whenever they try to prove their roundabout logic with studies where they tilt the scales by doing "p-hacking", lowering the number of participants, lowering the number of attempts, lowering the number of days of observation, increasing the amount of stimuli to evoke desired outcome. The biggest lie is that heart disease is caused by high cholesterol or too much salt in diet. This is why they tried proving that french wine has some medicinal anti-inflamatory good for heart benefits. Same with chocolate. Just to ignore the obvious cause of all western illnesses which is high fructose/sugar diet. "No, no, no.... it's actually cholesterol and salt that causes heart and cardio issues, not sugar".
You are the same kind of person who took 2 covid vaccines.
Man, if this isn't the best post of the entire month, I don't know what is. Screencapped. I'm glad there are still people with a functioning brain out there.
Imagine being so stupid that you can't understand science or want to purposely scam others so you can make a profit. There is a general scientific census which 90% well respected professionals agree with. if you don't agree with it, you better be able to provide suitable evidence as to why your minority opinion is better than all of the evidence that is considered best practice. 99% of the time they cannot do this convincingly and will resort to saying things like "THEY ARE TRYING TO SILENCE US!!" and "THE EXPERTS HAVE IT ALL WRONG!!".
You aren't being silenced. You aren't being prosecuted and having your license taken away because you're speaking the truth. You're just either really fricking stupid and never should have been a professional in the first place or purposely lying in order to sell supplements or super secret diet plans that (they) don't want you to do about.
>There is a general scientific census which 90% well respected professionals agree with
Science isn't a popularity vote. Just because 90% of scientists believe something to be true doesn't mean it's true. There were times when 90% of scientists thought asbestos was a good construction material.
>You aren't being silenced
Nobody said that. You are just ignoring my arguments, that's all.
>or purposely lying in order to sell supplements or super secret diet plans that (they) don't want you to do about.
The real profiteers of this fiasco are those that sell you high sugar diets. They fund the doctors and scientists to try and prove that cholesterol is bad for you.
I'm the closest thing to one of those guys you'll find on this site. I'm a public health PHD at a university that always ranks #1-5 globally.
There is a mountain of evidence that blood lipids cause heart disease so big you could teach a whole class on it. Everything from animal studies, mendelian randomization studies, cohort studies, lipid lowering drug trials, etc. Its about as well supported as the smoking-lung cancer connection.
You're not wrong about fructose though. Fructose/sugar are also connected to heart disease via diabetes and metabolic syndrome. I don't remember exactly how it works, and I think it's more complicated than the lipids and heart disease story.
Anyway, I got my chance to flex on you and drop some useless knowledge. Its a rough life honestly.
Don't look at it as flexing or that it's useless knowledge, you can help the world and you enriched my knowledgebase.
I would like to ask you directly, do you think that "use of blood lipids" lowers this coronary disease issues. Ie oxydative stress and free radicals creating fat accumulation.
Something on the sense of testosterone going over to DHT and estrogen if there is no literal use for it in the body.
I didn't totally get your question, but I think you're asking if lowering your blood lipid levels reduces your risk of heart disease. The answer is yes. Lowering your apo-b bearing particle count (estimated by non-hdl cholesterol) will reduce your risk of heart disease. The evidence for this comes from a few different sources, but the strongest is Mendelian randomization: basically some people randomly inherent genes that cause them to make less non-hdl, and those people get less heart disease. The power comes from the fact that this gene assignment happens randomly at conception, which means it's not affected by lifestyle choices or health behaviors, etc. This discovery is also the basis of the latest class of heart disease medications (pcsk-9 inhibitors).
I don't know how free radicals and oxidative stress fit into this picture. I used to know some of the bio for how ldls cause plaques but I forget it. I study aging, but my gf is a cardiovascular pharmacologist. I'll ask her tomorrow and tell you what she says.
I don't know where free radicals fit
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Well thanks for being nice about it.
I am just being realistic, I understand that being academic is a hard grueling work with little pay, little to do with ego shit but most scientists rely too much on institutions rather than fighting their own battle by making a corporation out of their ideas. True freedom of scientific inquiry can only be achieved with monetary freedom of choice of study. Has nothing to do with inflated egos, it's just a byproduct of overbearing beaurocratic institutions and fight for funding.
>The power comes from the fact that this gene assignment happens randomly at conception, which means it's not affected by lifestyle choices or health behaviors, etc. This discovery is also the basis of the latest class of heart disease medications (pcsk-9 inhibitors).
huh interesting, and is there some enzyme or aminoacid responsible for better digestion of cholesterol that is exhibited in those people? I wonder if cardiovascular fitness is obviously one factor, food also, but having low variety of food destroys gut biome and enzymes so much that I have inclination that is the reason why cholesterol issue gets worse with age
>I don't know how free radicals and oxidative stress fit into this picture.
Just throwing ideas out there, don't know what I am talking about
>gf is a cardiovascular pharmacologist
damn you will have fricked up children
7 months ago
Anonymous
Haha yeah my gf is a super short Korean woman. I love her but she's crazy man. I think we would have omega nerd kids.
I don't know the biology behind how the relevent genes raise/lower ldl. Even the people doing the studies don't know-- there are tons of genes that raise or lower ldl just a little bit, and there's a different story for all of them. People discover the genes by running regressions (a basic statistical model) on thousands of peoples genomes to find genes that predict lipid levels. They dont know how or why it works. I was surprised how much mystery and mess there is in biology. There's almost never a single "story" about how something happens-- usually there are tons of weird pathways and caviats. Even in heart disease apo-b isn't the whole story. For example: smoking or pollution can cause heart disease even if apo-b levels are low.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>relevent
get the frick out
7 months ago
Anonymous
ignore this moron
Haha yeah my gf is a super short Korean woman. I love her but she's crazy man. I think we would have omega nerd kids.
I don't know the biology behind how the relevent genes raise/lower ldl. Even the people doing the studies don't know-- there are tons of genes that raise or lower ldl just a little bit, and there's a different story for all of them. People discover the genes by running regressions (a basic statistical model) on thousands of peoples genomes to find genes that predict lipid levels. They dont know how or why it works. I was surprised how much mystery and mess there is in biology. There's almost never a single "story" about how something happens-- usually there are tons of weird pathways and caviats. Even in heart disease apo-b isn't the whole story. For example: smoking or pollution can cause heart disease even if apo-b levels are low.
most women are crazy, especially smart women
Just dick her down good and she will behave
I figured they did some statistical models on genetics but I guessed they had some explanations :/
Give me more buzzwords to google please, I have fun researching this topic as you tell me about it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Its been nice chatting but I need to sleep. A good buzzword to look up is 'genome wide association study' orGWAS for short. That's the study design used to find mutations that cause some outcomes (like heart disease). You can also use GWAS to find genes connected to any outcome you have data for, like height, IQ, crime, etc. It gets pretty spicy actually.
7 months ago
Anonymous
night, loved the chat, have fun academic inquiries and shmex with smart crazy korean gf, wish you the best
>You're not wrong about fructose though. Fructose/sugar are also connected to heart disease via diabetes and metabolic syndrome. I don't remember exactly how it works, and I think it's more complicated than the lipids and heart disease story.
below is my understanding, I know it's a lot more complicated than that and the metabolites of fructose also play a role. >cells needs energy >cells release insulin >fructose enters cells >fructose undergoes phosphorylation and uses up the remaining atp (energy) in the cells >repeat with greater amounts of insulin
Diabetes IS NOT CAUSED BY SUGAR
Diabetes is having too much fatty acids in your blood stream AKA EATING TOO MUCH PUFA COMBINED WITH SATURATED FAT (saturated fat alone is far safer)
Dude how the frick do you have this knowledge yet STILL think its sugar that is causing problems... you havent read enough studies. Sugar is 100% good for you and is essential. PERIOD
All heart disease comes from POLYUNSATURATED FATTY ACIDS
Not shown: the myriad metabolic factors that are improved as an unintended consequence of lowering LDL-C.
IE
As a side-effect of lowering LDL-C, hypertension was reduced. Or blood sugar was lowered. Or insulin sensitivity was improved. Or vascular inflammation was reduced.
There are hundreds of things that could have been reduced as a side-effect of targeting LDL-C, but because everyone has tunnel vision, they don't measure most of these other factors.
When someone tells you "it's not up for debate", that's exactly when it's time to debate.
now show the data for all cause mortality
you wont because it shows your argument is horseshit
sure cholesterol is positively associated withcvd
its also positively associated with higher life expectancy and negatively associated with all cause mortality
but keep cherrypicking like the homosexual you are
>Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.
indisputable proof doesn't come cheap
>J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.
really not cheap
>M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
but wait there's more
>LDL cholesterol
Reminder that the terminology for all this shit is stupid as frick.
There is only one type of cholesterol, but it has two different DELIVERY MECHANISMS, one of which is bad. (low density lipoprotein)
Cholesterol is so important to us that all the genetic disorders that interfere with cholesterol synthesis have a 100% lethality rate.
I literally just told you the terminology is why everyone thinks cholesterol is bad
Cholesterol is literally what your fricking cell walls are MADE OF. LDL is just the fricking protein that ships your VERY NECESSARY AND NON-HARMFUL cholesterol from place to place.
>nobody dies of “low LDL” and millions die of “high LDL” every single year
wrong, plenty people die of low LDL and millions that die of high LDL have other commorbidities, like old age, high triglycerides, shit diet and no working out
>millions of fat fricking idiots ignore decades of warnings by their doctors to lose some weight and end up eating themselves to death each year
hmm yeah it's definitely the meat sweaty do better #vegan
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074286/ >Hypolipidemia: A Word of Caution >Hypolipidemia is a decrease in plasma lipoprotein caused by primary (genetic) or secondary (acquired) factors. It is usually asymptomatic and diagnosed incidentally on routine lipid screening. >It is more commonly seen in the critically ill and post-operative patients, those with septicemia, malignancies, and inflammatory bowel disease [11] and is significantly associated with increased mortality. >A low serum cholesterol level is associated with a higher mortality rate in patients with liver cirrhosis >Intracranial hemorrhage accounts for approximately 10% of all strokes, and carries a significantly high morbidity and mortality as the 30-day fatality rate reaches up to 50% [72]. Several studies have demonstrated that low cholesterol is a risk factor for ICH >Studies suggest that lipoproteins play a role in the binding and neutralization of endotoxins [85]. Epidemiologic studies have identified a relationship between hypocholesterolemia (<130 mg/dL) and increased mortality from all causes [14]. Crook et al stated that, in hospitalized patients the lower the plasma cholesterol the higher the mortality, and they demonstrated an increase in the mortality rate from 39% to 71% as plasma cholesterol dropped from <77.2mg/dl (2mmol/dl) to <58mg/dl (1.5 mmol/l) [11].
even if hes right, ever since covid scam i only do the opposite of what doctors say.
I wont get vaxxed
i wont change my gender
i wont stop eating eggs
i wont suffer a climate change related heart attack
sorry medbros but maybe if you didnt lie to everyone we would trust you more
I am slavic, my people have been living off of dried meat, alcohol and grain for centuries. One of our traditional dishes is literally just deep fried lard with salt, and I'm munching on it as I type this. The usual age of death here is 82ish which I think is more than enough anyway.
Stop listening to israeli scientists.
>tfw the average lifespan (so long as you survived childhood) hasn't changed in literal milenia. Plato lived to be 80.
Acting like any of these tiny things will actually make a difference makes me laugh.
how can something be "not debateable" in the scientific community? i thought science was endlessly adjusting its views and therefore can't be held to its wrongs?
Doctors are shills who go by the book and the book is written by big pharma. They prescribe things that kill you. In Canada doctors will even prescribe you death directly (MAID).
>without cholesterol you endocrine system doesn't work, no hormone synthesizing, no testosterone 🙁
Your body makes all the cholesterol it needs. If you ate 0 cholesterol you'd still have plenty
There is a popular lipid lowering drug called ezimibe that works by preventing the absorption of dietary cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol is not the biggest cause of blood cholesterol, but ezitimibe will lower blood cholesterol by about 10%. I actually take ezetimibe in part because I eat a super high sat fat and cholesterol diet.
Problem is that keto shills know that. Which is why they spend so much effort trying to convince people that science is bad and can't be trusted. That's why there is such a massive overlap between antivaxxers and ketolards.
I just want a white doctor. Some kind of Anglo or German or israeli surname. It's not too much to ask for. All the doctors near me are brown and have star wars names.
I wish I could shoot all religious larpers in the head with my crossbow. You can't escape them everybody out there larps about ghosts or karma if not Yahweh it's so fricking irritating they must all think Atheism is evil or a deficiency. I feel discriminated against for admitting magic is fake.
Okay you go ahead with that. Stop trying to brainwash people into making bad decisions though. Eating 12-18 eggs a day, half a gallon of milk, steak every other day or so.
>actual doctors who specialize in heart issues tell you LDL fricks your shit up >random chiropractors on youtube tell you LDL is good for you and it's just too many heckin vegetables americans are well known for loving >fit believes the chiropractor and think they're super woke while doing it
Now let's hear about the vegans even though nothing in that post has anything to do with veganism.
>LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature >Our search for falsifications of the cholesterol hypothesis confirms that it is unable to satisfy any of the Bradford Hill criteria for causality and that the conclusions of the authors of the three reviews are based on misleading statistics, exclusion of unsuccessful trials and by ignoring numerous contradictory observations.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/
some of the authors on this paper are cardiologists and dont have massive financial conflicts on this hypothesis being true and come to exactly opposite conclusion
>Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.
indisputable proof doesn't come cheap
>J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.
really not cheap
>M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
but wait there's more
DOs receive all the training MDs do plus more. They are also trained to view medicine in a holistic fashion, not piecemeal like some autistic pill prescribing moron.
>smug liberal saying THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED
quickest way for me to ignore whatever the frick you're peddling
if they knew enough about the topic they could provide an actual argument not just a condescending statement, nobody who knows anything talks like this
it would take 250 million LDL particles passing through your endothelial cell layer every day for 40 years to build an arterial plaque 3mm thick. Cells only allow particular atoms in and out. This means that the standard model of plaque and heart disease is wrong. But it doesnt mean drinking coconut oil is a good idea.
>No carnivore in nature can get heart disease.
> Is humans number 1 killer.
Makes you think.
It only makes you think
>Carnivores can only get atherosclerosis upon the removal of their thyroid gland.
Name a carnivore that lives longer than 25 years
Orca (90 years)
The silence is deafening
You ever consider the fact that most wild animals don’t get heart disease is because there aren’t any animals practicing in medicine giving us reports on their causes of death, moron? There aren’t a whole lot of animals that make it to old age either, they usually die, violently.
>name a carnivore that lives >25 years
>an anon does just that
>goalposts moved
kek
Oh boy. Grampa develops cancer and heart disease when he's 90 years old like all of the other old people who make it that long and dies in his sleep a few months later! HE SHOULDN'T HAVE EATEN THAT MEAT.
>maybe kinda perhaps this happens
>lack of proof is my proof
No
You literally posted an article about studied causes of death in orcas you dipshit lmao. I can tell you’re a vegan because your brain has little to no fatty tissue.
are you being ironicly moronic i better hope you are
Crocodile
Frick they outlive people.
They have really slow metabolism. They only need to eat once a year or something.
Me you gay Black person
Sharks live 30~ years. Without touching an ounce of veggies, even as Fish, the third least longevus of animals. You want to see the other two?
Birds and insects, both 1/200th of a human's size minimum.
Mammals? Most carnivorous outlive veggiegay animals, only dying younger to fellow carnivores. Apex carnivores live 50+ years (not in species, but as the apex singular animal of a species).
Fish aren't mammals. They don't even have bones.
I can't think of a single mammalian apex predator, that outlives 20 by any significant margin.
Doesn't specify age.
Metabolisms of a metaphorical snail.
Humans can't ferment complex vegetation through extra stomachs and organs, like a herbivore.
Humans cannot convert vegetation into fats, like a gorilla can.
Human ancestors that are more herbivorous than us, have sharper teeth, thus not a direct correlation with predation.
Human teeths have SHRUNK since we were root-eaters.
Human brains grew as direct consequence of eating fats, organs and meats, which provided the huge energy requirements and a denser source of vitamins and minerals.
All prefarming human cultures showed a preference for hunting and eating meat, as did pre hominid cloae ancestors, such as Erectus ans Neanderthals.
>They don't even have bones.
wut
some don't but some do
never heard of a fish bone?
>Fish aren't mammals. They don't even have bones.
>Fish aren't mammals. They don't even have bones.
put me in the screencap
>fish don't have bones
Have you ever actually seen how the fish you eat gets to you?
worm
Me
>Atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals?
Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.
>Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Humans do not have the ability to ferment plant cellulose, which is a REQUIREMENT to be considered an herbivore. The rest of what you said doesn't matter.
Reading comprehension
Bot
I've seen this "learn to read" shill/bot reply tons when they're called out on blatant bullshit.
When they're asked to state simply exactly what they mean, they just keep spamming this reply.
>The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding)
https://phys.org/news/2021-03-human-brain-grew-result-extinction.html
The human brain itself is the most important organ for the human's hunting ability. Tthat brain and the fine motor control developed by human beings allows them to create very fine tools which allowed them function as carnivores without need to grow their own claws or teeth.
>The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length)
The Human small intenstine is between 10 and 16 feet and the large intestine is about 5 feet long. For a 5' tall manlet, the intestine is only about 3-4 times that person's height
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459366/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507857/
>Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating.
Dogs and cats actually have sweat glands on their paws. It's not really a trait that indicates what the diet of an animal should be. Primates sweat but many of them are insectivores, not pure herbivores.
>Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet
BMany herbivores actually do produce their own vitamin C. For example, Bovines can produce their own Vitamin C in their livers which is why there is usually a small amount vitamin C found in some amounts in their liver and kidneys.
https://dairy-cattle.extension.org/update-on-vitamin-nutrition-of-dairy-cows/
>Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
Human are objectively omnivores/facultative carnivores whose bodies are designed to eat both meat and plant foods for sustenance.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2155935
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523070582
All extremely new evolutionary adaptations hence you get bullshit no one else geta like
Now go and answer with your next cope
>All extremely new evolutionary adaptations
Lol. They are all at least a million years old. Even homosexual erectus was eating meat, making tools, etc. You're going to tell me that these adaptations are all extremely new in spite of being able to look up anthropological history? Even the anatomically modern homosexual sapien is at least 150,000 years old. And the funniest part is that the agrarian lifestyle is the only extremely new thing with little or no recent human adaptation
> you get bullshit no one else geta like
It’s over. (OP)
Again, see
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/2155935
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523070582
The modern human diet is very different from the diet homosexual sapiens ate for most of their existence. There is a problem with the human diet. But becoming a moronic vegan such as yourself will not fix it. Instead, the heart attacks will just come from nutritional deficiencies.
>Tthat brain and the fine motor control developed by human beings allows them to create very fine tools which allowed them function as carnivores without need to grow their own claws or teeth.
Ok so by your logic humans are herbivores since we must have lived that way for ages before we learned to make tools. Good job
>so by your logic humans are herbivores since we must have lived that way for ages before we learned to make tools
My logic does not imply that.
>we
>we must have lived that way for ages
First, neither myself nor you have lived that way. Second, you are not human based on your post. A human wouldn't have typed such a moronic post.
how bad it is if i eat meat and look like the one on the right
now what
>The appendages of carnivores are claws
Tell me, where are the claws on an Orcs?
The argument about gut length is misleading - gut length isn't so characteristic of carnivore or herbivory as is gut volume in proportion to body size. Herbivores have a large gut volume as a proportion of their body, carnivores have a small gut as a proportion of body volume.
When we compare humans to our closest relatives, chimpanzees and gorillas, one of the most immediate differences are our much smaller guts.
I think you're missing the point. The question is whether apo-b bearing particles cause heart disease in humans and the answer yes. I don't care whether I'm designed to be an herbivore or carnivore. I just don't want to get heart disease.
Name a carnivore that had a never ending supply of food and sits on a couch all day eating donuts and drinking coke
Gorillas
they arent carnivores
Domestic housecat, domestic dog
Try catching your prey barehanded before you get to eat and you'll develop less heart problems.
Humans are herbivores. It's been known for decades that inducing heart disease in herbivores is as easy as feeding them a lot of saturated fat. Rabbits drop dead in days, pigs in weeks. Animal tests ran out of fashion so I propose we catch some live ketolards and put them in a cage and forcefeed saturated fat to see are they carnivores.
hey vegangainz, you’re hideously ugly and no woman will ever love you, and you should probably just kys to be quite honest with you family
He said he's going to commit suicide in 1.5 years. Screencap this because this isn't a joke.
Makes me think you’re moronic and struggled in high school
Don't care, eating 10 eggs a day and getting zero (0) injections from morons with delusions of grandeur in white coats.
>delusions of grandeur
it's more like fear of getting sued turned cargo cult in the case of medical practitioners I think
Eggs don't impact LDL levels unless you're a fat knacker anyway
Actually eggs don't impact LDL if you are far and already have high cholesterol. If you have healthy cholesterol levels and introduce eating eggs they have a larger affect on you.
This is a moxyte thread.
Vegans push the LDL hoax because vegan foods like oreo cookies lower LDL whereas healthy meat-based diets sometimes raise LDL.
Oreos contain saturated fat thus increase LDL. Don't know why you think anyone is claiming it lowers LDL
Eating 12 oreo cookies per day lowers LDL more than taking a statin.
Very nice. Now let's see if these participants are having high carb diet at the same time to have atherosclerosis.
>risk
>cause
to prove cause and effect an experiment is required, this gay (and op, who's also a dick sucking mongrel as always) have no understanding of the words they're using and want to lecture us on "ze science".
frick off
>stable isotopes tests
done
>dr allahu akbar
can we get the opinion of someone who isnt doomed by centuries of inbreeding?
Instead we should trust an inbred pseudo-christcuck 4trooner who never shuts the frick up about politics
this is from the paper he's citing
I've also got a bridge to sell you. Really great deal trust me bro
holy shit you angry shitskins are so easy to rile up. have a nice day browncel
remember, these are the idiots who will always yell "trust the science" and make you take 2 injections of experimental vaccines forcefully, then turn around and when presented with proof of their wrongdoings just exclaim "oh science changes, this means its good"
"correlation is not causation" is literally the study he pointed to, he will not admit that triglycerides ALONGSIDE high cholesterol cause atherosclerosis.
Braindead fricking scientists not understanding cause and effect.
Dunning Kruger
>argument from authority on mediocre boomer newspaper meme
>missed
They didn't miss anything. They're not stupid. It's malicious and intentional.
Literally every company in the food and retail section sells foods high in saturated fat. And it still doesn't prove anything.
most use unsaturated oils. Do you lie for a living or you do this for free? The exception being ice cream which is also cut with seed oils because they're cheaper
Are you implying that Safeway/Costco/Kroger and even Whole Foods don't have entire sections dedicated to meat and dairy?
Subway doesn't use meat and cheese?
Cereals aren't advertised as being consumed with dairy milk?
Pepsi doesn't sell Starbucks coffee drinks with milk in them? or chips with milk powder/cheese?
Tyson lmao?
Dannon lmao?
Cambells lmao?
How am I lying? You're just trying to form this false victim complex thinking they are all trying to keep you down and hide the "truth"
Most of those companies sell junk foods which mostly if not exclusively use unsaturated oils. Tyson and others are trying to get out of meat because its not profitable like processed plant foods. Go be a moron elsewhere thank you
Considering your only argument is "FUNDING!!!" I'd say you should go be a moron elsewhere.
>Tyson and others are trying to get out of meat
So what you're saying is that Tyson funded studies saying saturated fat isn't good when that was completely against their own business model. If study results can be bought so easily why didn't they just fund studies that showed the opposite? Your own schizo conspiracy theories don't even make any sense.
>world's top scientists and doctors
Literal spineless homosexuals who'd never risk 10 years of med school and their 250k paycheck to expose information that wasn't approved for the masses
97% of Scientists agree with the people paying them
Doctors have been telling people to eat healthier and exercise more for decades, but people don't care, your meme pic is stupid
Kek, next you'll tell me you think the food pyramid is right. Doctors have been lying to thr public for decades and it didn't even cost that much to bribe them either.
>Sugar good, carbs good, eggs bad mmmk?
Meanwhile most doctors are just as obese as their patients.
Doctors are shills who go by the book and the book is written by big pharma. They prescribe things that kill you. In Canada doctors will even prescribe you death directly (MAID).
>MAID pronounced MADE
>death
We're all going to make it aren't we... In the end, Zyzz actually made it...
covid was the end of doctors for me.
>Doctors have been telling people to eat healthier and exercise more for decades
The device changes Evey decade
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a graphical artifact. It's statistical noise laid out on a chart. It's all a product of incompetence. Look it up. Look the ad verecundiam fallacy up, as well.
Imagine sucking dick and eating shit for 10 or 20 years of your career and then you are told to go along with the mainstream ideas and big pharma or your career is at jeopardy. Now imagine on top of that that every moron that has common sense and can read scientific papers (and isn't jaded by technical terminology) actively refutes your obvious lies with simple 2+2 logic.
I would be angry too. "My title means something god damn it" I would shout. "I am leaders top scientist and doctor, that means I am right". Imagine all the tears and sweat, imagine all the bullying you had to endure. Imagine being proven wrong and then knowing you are wrong. You won't change your ideas, but you will personally be insulted. Best example of these high intellectual charlatanism and superiority complex today is Neil Degrasse Tyson. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sGikAWZu8)
Academics, doctors and other high professions were rebels during the early renaissance, going against the mainstream. Not only because they had money due to their businesses (old family money) to do so but also because they cared about truth more rather than paycheck from government and big pharma.
The funniest shit is whenever they try to prove their roundabout logic with studies where they tilt the scales by doing "p-hacking", lowering the number of participants, lowering the number of attempts, lowering the number of days of observation, increasing the amount of stimuli to evoke desired outcome. The biggest lie is that heart disease is caused by high cholesterol or too much salt in diet. This is why they tried proving that french wine has some medicinal anti-inflamatory good for heart benefits. Same with chocolate. Just to ignore the obvious cause of all western illnesses which is high fructose/sugar diet. "No, no, no.... it's actually cholesterol and salt that causes heart and cardio issues, not sugar".
You are the same kind of person who took 2 covid vaccines.
>Imagine sucking dick and eating shit
No, frick you ketogay.
Man, if this isn't the best post of the entire month, I don't know what is. Screencapped. I'm glad there are still people with a functioning brain out there.
Imagine being so stupid that you can't understand science or want to purposely scam others so you can make a profit. There is a general scientific census which 90% well respected professionals agree with. if you don't agree with it, you better be able to provide suitable evidence as to why your minority opinion is better than all of the evidence that is considered best practice. 99% of the time they cannot do this convincingly and will resort to saying things like "THEY ARE TRYING TO SILENCE US!!" and "THE EXPERTS HAVE IT ALL WRONG!!".
You aren't being silenced. You aren't being prosecuted and having your license taken away because you're speaking the truth. You're just either really fricking stupid and never should have been a professional in the first place or purposely lying in order to sell supplements or super secret diet plans that (they) don't want you to do about.
>There is a general scientific census which 90% well respected professionals agree with
Science isn't a popularity vote. Just because 90% of scientists believe something to be true doesn't mean it's true. There were times when 90% of scientists thought asbestos was a good construction material.
>You aren't being silenced
Nobody said that. You are just ignoring my arguments, that's all.
>or purposely lying in order to sell supplements or super secret diet plans that (they) don't want you to do about.
The real profiteers of this fiasco are those that sell you high sugar diets. They fund the doctors and scientists to try and prove that cholesterol is bad for you.
just have faith bro, it's not like there is any financial incentive to otherwise!
I'm the closest thing to one of those guys you'll find on this site. I'm a public health PHD at a university that always ranks #1-5 globally.
There is a mountain of evidence that blood lipids cause heart disease so big you could teach a whole class on it. Everything from animal studies, mendelian randomization studies, cohort studies, lipid lowering drug trials, etc. Its about as well supported as the smoking-lung cancer connection.
You're not wrong about fructose though. Fructose/sugar are also connected to heart disease via diabetes and metabolic syndrome. I don't remember exactly how it works, and I think it's more complicated than the lipids and heart disease story.
Anyway, I got my chance to flex on you and drop some useless knowledge. Its a rough life honestly.
Don't look at it as flexing or that it's useless knowledge, you can help the world and you enriched my knowledgebase.
I would like to ask you directly, do you think that "use of blood lipids" lowers this coronary disease issues. Ie oxydative stress and free radicals creating fat accumulation.
Something on the sense of testosterone going over to DHT and estrogen if there is no literal use for it in the body.
Well thanks for being nice about it.
I didn't totally get your question, but I think you're asking if lowering your blood lipid levels reduces your risk of heart disease. The answer is yes. Lowering your apo-b bearing particle count (estimated by non-hdl cholesterol) will reduce your risk of heart disease. The evidence for this comes from a few different sources, but the strongest is Mendelian randomization: basically some people randomly inherent genes that cause them to make less non-hdl, and those people get less heart disease. The power comes from the fact that this gene assignment happens randomly at conception, which means it's not affected by lifestyle choices or health behaviors, etc. This discovery is also the basis of the latest class of heart disease medications (pcsk-9 inhibitors).
I don't know how free radicals and oxidative stress fit into this picture. I used to know some of the bio for how ldls cause plaques but I forget it. I study aging, but my gf is a cardiovascular pharmacologist. I'll ask her tomorrow and tell you what she says.
I don't know where free radicals fit
>Well thanks for being nice about it.
I am just being realistic, I understand that being academic is a hard grueling work with little pay, little to do with ego shit but most scientists rely too much on institutions rather than fighting their own battle by making a corporation out of their ideas. True freedom of scientific inquiry can only be achieved with monetary freedom of choice of study. Has nothing to do with inflated egos, it's just a byproduct of overbearing beaurocratic institutions and fight for funding.
>The power comes from the fact that this gene assignment happens randomly at conception, which means it's not affected by lifestyle choices or health behaviors, etc. This discovery is also the basis of the latest class of heart disease medications (pcsk-9 inhibitors).
huh interesting, and is there some enzyme or aminoacid responsible for better digestion of cholesterol that is exhibited in those people? I wonder if cardiovascular fitness is obviously one factor, food also, but having low variety of food destroys gut biome and enzymes so much that I have inclination that is the reason why cholesterol issue gets worse with age
>I don't know how free radicals and oxidative stress fit into this picture.
Just throwing ideas out there, don't know what I am talking about
>gf is a cardiovascular pharmacologist
damn you will have fricked up children
Haha yeah my gf is a super short Korean woman. I love her but she's crazy man. I think we would have omega nerd kids.
I don't know the biology behind how the relevent genes raise/lower ldl. Even the people doing the studies don't know-- there are tons of genes that raise or lower ldl just a little bit, and there's a different story for all of them. People discover the genes by running regressions (a basic statistical model) on thousands of peoples genomes to find genes that predict lipid levels. They dont know how or why it works. I was surprised how much mystery and mess there is in biology. There's almost never a single "story" about how something happens-- usually there are tons of weird pathways and caviats. Even in heart disease apo-b isn't the whole story. For example: smoking or pollution can cause heart disease even if apo-b levels are low.
>relevent
get the frick out
ignore this moron
most women are crazy, especially smart women
Just dick her down good and she will behave
I figured they did some statistical models on genetics but I guessed they had some explanations :/
Give me more buzzwords to google please, I have fun researching this topic as you tell me about it
Its been nice chatting but I need to sleep. A good buzzword to look up is 'genome wide association study' orGWAS for short. That's the study design used to find mutations that cause some outcomes (like heart disease). You can also use GWAS to find genes connected to any outcome you have data for, like height, IQ, crime, etc. It gets pretty spicy actually.
night, loved the chat, have fun academic inquiries and shmex with smart crazy korean gf, wish you the best
>You're not wrong about fructose though. Fructose/sugar are also connected to heart disease via diabetes and metabolic syndrome. I don't remember exactly how it works, and I think it's more complicated than the lipids and heart disease story.
below is my understanding, I know it's a lot more complicated than that and the metabolites of fructose also play a role.
>cells needs energy
>cells release insulin
>fructose enters cells
>fructose undergoes phosphorylation and uses up the remaining atp (energy) in the cells
>repeat with greater amounts of insulin
its caused by PUFA oxidizing LDL cholesterol.
Diabetes IS NOT CAUSED BY SUGAR
Diabetes is having too much fatty acids in your blood stream AKA EATING TOO MUCH PUFA COMBINED WITH SATURATED FAT (saturated fat alone is far safer)
excess fructose beyond whats in whole fruits raises uric acid and blood pressure. Uricase adaptation/survival switch mechanism.
Dude how the frick do you have this knowledge yet STILL think its sugar that is causing problems... you havent read enough studies. Sugar is 100% good for you and is essential. PERIOD
All heart disease comes from POLYUNSATURATED FATTY ACIDS
Not shown: the myriad metabolic factors that are improved as an unintended consequence of lowering LDL-C.
IE
As a side-effect of lowering LDL-C, hypertension was reduced. Or blood sugar was lowered. Or insulin sensitivity was improved. Or vascular inflammation was reduced.
There are hundreds of things that could have been reduced as a side-effect of targeting LDL-C, but because everyone has tunnel vision, they don't measure most of these other factors.
When someone tells you "it's not up for debate", that's exactly when it's time to debate.
What was his stance on the covid vaccines? Need this information before any of his words can be taken seriously.
its unironically not debatable that the vaccine caused myocarditis lol even the vax companies say so they just say the risk is very small
now show the data for all cause mortality
you wont because it shows your argument is horseshit
sure cholesterol is positively associated withcvd
its also positively associated with higher life expectancy and negatively associated with all cause mortality
but keep cherrypicking like the homosexual you are
Somebody post the conflict of interest statement from that paper. Its so long it won't even fit in a single post.
>Conflict of interest: J.B. has received research grants from Amgen, AstraZeneca, NovoNordisk, Pfizer and Regeneron/Sanofi and honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Merck, Novo-Nordisk, Pfizer, and Regeneron/Sanofi. E.B. has received honoraria from AstraZeneca, Amgen, Genfit, MSD, Sanofi-Regeneron, Unilever, Danone, Aegerion, Chiesi, Rottapharm, Lilly and research grants from Amgen, Danone and Aegerion. A.L.C. has received research grants to his institution from Amgen, Astra-Zeneca, Merck, Regeneron/Sanofi, and Sigma Tau, and honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbot, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, Merck/MSD,Mylan, Pfizer, Rottapharm and Sanofi-Regeneron. M.J.C. has received research grants from MSD, Kowa, Pfizer, and Randox and honoraria for consultancy/speaker activities from Amgen, Kowa, Merck, Sanofi, Servier, Unilever, and Regeneron. S.F. has the following disclosures for the last 12 months: Compensated consultant and advisory activities with Merck, Kowa, Sanofi, Amgen, Amarin, and Aegerion. B.A.F. has received research grants from Merck, Amgen and Esperion Therapeutics and received honoraria for lectures, consulting and/or advisory board membership from Merck, Amgen, Esperion, Ionis, and the American College of Cardiology. I.G. has received speaker fees from MSD and Pfizer relating to cardiovascular risk estimation and lipid guidelines, and consultancy/speaker fee from Amgen. H.N.G. has received research grants from Merck, Sanofi-Regeneron, and Amgen. He consults for Merck, Sanofi, Regeneron, Lilly, Kowa, Resverlogix, Boehringer Ingelheim. R.A.H. has received research grants from Aegerion, Amgen, The Medicines Company, Pfizer, and Sanofi. He consults for Amgen, Aegerion, Boston Heart Diagnostics, Gemphire, Lilly, and Sanofi.
indisputable proof doesn't come cheap
>J.D.H reports honoraria/research grants from Aegerion, Alnylam, Catabasis, Lilly, Merck, Pfizer, Novartis, Regeneron, Sanofi. R.M.K is a Member, Merck Global Atherosclerosis Advisory Board. U.L. has received honoraria for lectures and/or consulting from Amgen, Medicines Company, Astra Zeneca, MSD, Berlin Chemie, Bayer, Abbott, and Sanofi. U.L. aufs has received honoraria for board membership, consultancy, and lectures from Amgen, MSD, Sanofi, and Servier. L.M. has received honoraria for consultancy and lectures from Amgen, Danone, Kowa, Merck, and Sanofi-Regeneron. S.J.N. has received research support from Amgen, AstraZeneca, Anthera, Cerenis, Novartis, Eli Lilly, Esperion, Resverlogix, Sanofi-Regeneron, InfraReDx. and LipoScience and is a consultant for Amgen, AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, CSL Behring, Eli Lilly, Merck, Takeda, Pfizer, Roche, Sanofi-Regeneron, Kowa. and Novartis. B.G.N. reports consultancies and honoraria for lectures from AstraZeneca, Sanofi, Regeneron, Aegerion, Fresenius, B Braun, Kaneka, Amgen. C.J.P. has received research support from Roche, MSD and honoraria from MSD, Sanofi/Regeneron, Amgen and Pfizer. F.J.R. has received grants/research support from Amgen and Sanofi and has received speaker fees or honoraria for consultation from AstraZeneca, Merck, Amgen, and Sanofi. K.K.R. has received research grants from Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron and Pfizer and honoraria for lectures, advisory boards or as a steering committee member from Aegerion, Amgen, Sanofi-Regeneron, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Cerenis, ISIS Pharma, Medco, Resverlogix, Kowa, Novartis, Cipla, Lilly, Algorithm, Takeda, Boehringer Ingelheim, MSD. Esperion, and AbbieVie. H.S. has received research grants from AstraZeneca, MSD, Bayer Vital, sanofi-aventis, and Pfizer and honoraria for speaker fees from AstraZeneca, MSD, Genzyme, sanofi-aventis, and Synlab. He has consulted for MSD and AstraZeneca.
really not cheap
>M.R.T. has received speaker fees from Amgen, Astra Zeneca, Chiesi Pharma and Eli Lilly and speaker fees and research support from Amgen, Sanofi Aventis and Novo Nordisk. She has consulted for AstraZeneca. L.T. has received research funding and/or honoraria for advisory boards, consultancy or speaker bureau from Abbott Mylan, Actelion, Aegerion, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, Daiichi-Sankyo, GlaxoSmithKline, Menarini, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Regeneron, Servier and Synageva. G.F.W. has received research support from Amgen and Sanofi-Regeneron. O.W. has received honoraria for lectures or consultancy from Sanofi, Amgen, MSD, and Astra-Zeneca.
but wait there's more
>LDL cholesterol
Reminder that the terminology for all this shit is stupid as frick.
There is only one type of cholesterol, but it has two different DELIVERY MECHANISMS, one of which is bad. (low density lipoprotein)
Cholesterol is so important to us that all the genetic disorders that interfere with cholesterol synthesis have a 100% lethality rate.
Nobody dies from too little cholesterol
Tens of millions die for too much every year
I literally just told you the terminology is why everyone thinks cholesterol is bad
Cholesterol is literally what your fricking cell walls are MADE OF. LDL is just the fricking protein that ships your VERY NECESSARY AND NON-HARMFUL cholesterol from place to place.
And I already told you that nobody dies of “low LDL” and millions die of “high LDL” every single year.
>nobody dies of “low LDL” and millions die of “high LDL” every single year
wrong, plenty people die of low LDL and millions that die of high LDL have other commorbidities, like old age, high triglycerides, shit diet and no working out
>millions of fat fricking idiots ignore decades of warnings by their doctors to lose some weight and end up eating themselves to death each year
hmm yeah it's definitely the meat sweaty do better #vegan
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074286/
>Hypolipidemia: A Word of Caution
>Hypolipidemia is a decrease in plasma lipoprotein caused by primary (genetic) or secondary (acquired) factors. It is usually asymptomatic and diagnosed incidentally on routine lipid screening.
>It is more commonly seen in the critically ill and post-operative patients, those with septicemia, malignancies, and inflammatory bowel disease [11] and is significantly associated with increased mortality.
>A low serum cholesterol level is associated with a higher mortality rate in patients with liver cirrhosis
>Intracranial hemorrhage accounts for approximately 10% of all strokes, and carries a significantly high morbidity and mortality as the 30-day fatality rate reaches up to 50% [72]. Several studies have demonstrated that low cholesterol is a risk factor for ICH
>Studies suggest that lipoproteins play a role in the binding and neutralization of endotoxins [85]. Epidemiologic studies have identified a relationship between hypocholesterolemia (<130 mg/dL) and increased mortality from all causes [14]. Crook et al stated that, in hospitalized patients the lower the plasma cholesterol the higher the mortality, and they demonstrated an increase in the mortality rate from 39% to 71% as plasma cholesterol dropped from <77.2mg/dl (2mmol/dl) to <58mg/dl (1.5 mmol/l) [11].
even if hes right, ever since covid scam i only do the opposite of what doctors say.
I wont get vaxxed
i wont change my gender
i wont stop eating eggs
i wont suffer a climate change related heart attack
sorry medbros but maybe if you didnt lie to everyone we would trust you more
I am slavic, my people have been living off of dried meat, alcohol and grain for centuries. One of our traditional dishes is literally just deep fried lard with salt, and I'm munching on it as I type this. The usual age of death here is 82ish which I think is more than enough anyway.
Stop listening to israeli scientists.
Kill veg*ns
Just ate 8 eggs
Oh, look, a doctor who's got no clue about what the scientific method is. How surprising.
Big words make small brain hurt. Me eat what I have to for me to bulk
>tfw the average lifespan (so long as you survived childhood) hasn't changed in literal milenia. Plato lived to be 80.
Acting like any of these tiny things will actually make a difference makes me laugh.
how can something be "not debateable" in the scientific community? i thought science was endlessly adjusting its views and therefore can't be held to its wrongs?
Ask him, pussy. You use IST a confirmed fed honeypot you can use twitter.
see
>India has the highest rates of vegetarianism
>Also has the highest rates of coronary heart disease
Turns out dairy is even worse for you than red meat
Do the needful. Vegan or die, bastard b***h!
sar please
without cholesterol you endocrine system doesn't work, no hormone synthesizing, no testosterone 🙁
>without cholesterol you endocrine system doesn't work, no hormone synthesizing, no testosterone 🙁
Your body makes all the cholesterol it needs. If you ate 0 cholesterol you'd still have plenty
>Your body makes all the cholesterol it needs
not always
>diseases exist
Who would have thought
do you think growing kids on a cholesterol free diet is a good idea?
>moving the goalposts
>appealing to emotion
Lol no thanks
>the body makes all the cholesterol it needs
>except when it doesnt
low brain cholesterol over there buddy?
>humans don't have four limbs because amputees exist
It also makes all the glucose it needs through gluconeogenesis
interesting double standard. The people who say that about cholesterol never apply it to carbohydrate. I wonder why...
oh you mean like you're doing right now?
then you're doing the same. Can't have your cake and eat it fatass
But cake is healthy though it contains sugar and vegetable fats
Dietary cholesterol foes no affect serum cholesterol in the vast majority of people. This is the scientific consensus today.
Good thing I didn't say it did
Estrogen and progesterone are also steroids, moron. Not all steroids are anabolic
now show dietary cholesterol increases ldl
There is a popular lipid lowering drug called ezimibe that works by preventing the absorption of dietary cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol is not the biggest cause of blood cholesterol, but ezitimibe will lower blood cholesterol by about 10%. I actually take ezetimibe in part because I eat a super high sat fat and cholesterol diet.
> now show dietary cholesterol increases ldl
Saturated fat does
Dietary sat fat increases HDL and reduces CVD mortality events.
>reading things
Im literally LMAOing @ ur lyf
Idk wat that graph means nor do i care
Nothing you consume or do will measurably push you past the 70-80 years that God has prescribed you (Psalm 90:10).
Ok israeliteBDSMcultBlack
Go wash homiebabas filthy feet
My grandma is 102 and she's kind of a c**t.
whoa, is that mohammed alo
pack it in boys. it's over
anyone that tells me something is 'not debatable' in the the scientific community is not a scientist
I'd like some science from someone who wasn't named after a prolific pedophile.
oxidized LDL causes atherosclerosis. sugar and polyunsaturated fats oxidize LDL.
>being confident in calling any single nutritional factor a cause of anything
>"not debatable" used in the context of science
grim
Problem is that keto shills know that. Which is why they spend so much effort trying to convince people that science is bad and can't be trusted. That's why there is such a massive overlap between antivaxxers and ketolards.
I just want a white doctor. Some kind of Anglo or German or israeli surname. It's not too much to ask for. All the doctors near me are brown and have star wars names.
>israeli
Enjoy getting molested while under anasthesia and getting proscribed drugs for every single issue
I wish I could shoot all religious larpers in the head with my crossbow. You can't escape them everybody out there larps about ghosts or karma if not Yahweh it's so fricking irritating they must all think Atheism is evil or a deficiency. I feel discriminated against for admitting magic is fake.
Abrahamism has been such an utter disaster. A scourge. The most insidious mind virus ever conceived.
White israelite (Atheist) Dr. Greger is always there for you at nutritionfacts.org
trust the science chud
Okay you go ahead with that. Stop trying to brainwash people into making bad decisions though. Eating 12-18 eggs a day, half a gallon of milk, steak every other day or so.
>actual doctors who specialize in heart issues tell you LDL fricks your shit up
>random chiropractors on youtube tell you LDL is good for you and it's just too many heckin vegetables americans are well known for loving
>fit believes the chiropractor and think they're super woke while doing it
Now let's hear about the vegans even though nothing in that post has anything to do with veganism.
>LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature
>Our search for falsifications of the cholesterol hypothesis confirms that it is unable to satisfy any of the Bradford Hill criteria for causality and that the conclusions of the authors of the three reviews are based on misleading statistics, exclusion of unsuccessful trials and by ignoring numerous contradictory observations.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/
some of the authors on this paper are cardiologists and dont have massive financial conflicts on this hypothesis being true and come to exactly opposite conclusion
Honestly once I read more into LDL and ApoB I started to lean more towards high carb.
I eat leaner cuts of red meat along with fruit and starch. Works for me. But I still want to take PCSK9 inhibitors to get my LDL super low.
>But I still want to take PCSK9 inhibitors to get my LDL super low
why would you want to interfere with normal physiology in this way?
Because it's normal to become sick and die, why settle for normal when you can be excellent?
At that point you're missing out on le food culture with other fatheaded cholesterolcucks, why bother eating cholesterol at all?
Wow LDL is bad Shocking.
Statins are giving me a headache and making me feel dizzy lads
just means they're working, trust the plan
Getting sore calves and hammies now, don't think I am going to make it.
>DO
Not a real doctor
DOs receive all the training MDs do plus more. They are also trained to view medicine in a holistic fashion, not piecemeal like some autistic pill prescribing moron.
>smug liberal saying THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED
quickest way for me to ignore whatever the frick you're peddling
if they knew enough about the topic they could provide an actual argument not just a condescending statement, nobody who knows anything talks like this
it would take 250 million LDL particles passing through your endothelial cell layer every day for 40 years to build an arterial plaque 3mm thick. Cells only allow particular atoms in and out. This means that the standard model of plaque and heart disease is wrong. But it doesnt mean drinking coconut oil is a good idea.