The stroke literally had nothing to do with Carnivore. She had a birth defect, a hole in her heart, went on a flight, and didn't wear compression gear. Clot formed in her legs due to no compression socks. Exited out of the hole in her heart. Went to her brain. Caused a stroke.
if he had only eaten natural foods instead of bacon cheese keto rolls. By natural I mean rare grass-fed meat, fish, and fruits. You don't need anything else m8 >CAPTCHA: GYMSX8
Clogged arteries are caused by inflammation (damage) to the arterial walls which is then filled in with cholesterol to repair the damage. Given that Carnivore diets result in the absolute lowest levels of inflammation compared to any other diet (yes, all of them) it is not fair to say that the diet itself did this to him. There are likely other factors at play that we simply don't have the information for.
For all we know he could have been doing drugs every day for years on end. Exercising too much, too hard, too often, etc. will cause damage. If he didn't rest enough then that could cause damage that he simply never let repair. He could have shit sleep. He could also have been cheating on the diet and sneaking in trash foods without telling anyone. Looked at the Facebook comments discussing his case. Someone named "Judy Cho" reported that he ate chocolate every night. Could have been using roids even though he's a dyel by fit standards. Literally could have been any number of things. This is further confounded by the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of carnivores now and you have to search for the one guy that had issues compared to the 99.999% that report curing all of their medical issues
Probably him working out constantly and not recovering. That would make the most sense. Heart disease didn't exist before the agrarian revolution
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Heart disease didn't exist before the agrarian revolution
We have zero reason to believe in that
Either way carnivore diets wouldn't exist without agriculture either
7 months ago
Anonymous
>We have zero reason to believe in that
There are populations of people throughout history that have only eaten meat and they are always in perfect health. All of them without exception. There are also tons of tribes alive today that only eat meat. They are all in perfect health with no exception. Not a single one of them is fat, has any sort of metabolic disease, they all have perfect teeth, they are lean and strong.
>Either way carnivore diets wouldn't exist without agriculture either
>walk out onto the savanna >kill a Buffalo that's grazing on wild grass >this Buffalo would not exist without agriculture
Fricking moron. The native Americans had large carnivorous societies with cities that had millions of people in them where they lived almost exclusively on Buffalo and Bison. They didn't farm for shit. They didn't need to. The animals eat GRASS moron. It grows out of the ground FRICKING EVERYWHERE all by itself
7 months ago
Anonymous
Literally Nome of what you said is true. The massai and Inuit die yound >There are populations of people throughout history that have only eaten meat and they are always in perfect health. All of them without exception. There are also tons of tribes alive today that only eat meat. They are all in perfect health with no exception. Not a single one of them is fat, has any sort of metabolic disease, they all have perfect teeth, they are lean and strong.
Well that's just objectively false and untrue in every single way. You can make a point without lying. I agree meat is healthy but when you start embellishing like this it just makes your position look really flimsy. The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early, at an age before most diseases of diet and age can visibly show. I'm not saying meat causes this but its a deceptive way to say that they are healthy. If someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car, its disingenuous to say they lived a healthy disease free life.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early >If someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car
Did you seriously just imply that hunter-gatherers are being killed by cars and that's why they don't have heart disease holy fricking shit lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
>make it past infancy due to external factors >make it past the age of 30 >highly likely that you will live to be 90+ years old in perfect health the entire time >NO YOU CANT TALK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE REEEE >I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE IN PERFECT HEALTH WHEN THEY GET OLD >A BUNCH OF KIDS GET KILLED BY HYENAS >SEE THE AVERAGE AS IS LIKE 30 REEEEEEEE
Carnivorous tribals are in perfect health everywhere. Inuit have major mortality young because of murder, suicide, hunting accidents, they succumb to the extremely dangerous environment, now they die because of immense drug and alcohol use (modern inuit arent real tribals).
>Get fricking rekt by a polar bear >slip and fall into the ice >get murdered by your neighbor >out on a hunt and someone accidentally shoots you >have a nice day because living in the arctic sucks dick and the lack of sun disregulates your hormones >SEE, THEIR DIETS ARE THE PROBLEM
Frick off israelite
7 months ago
Anonymous
See this is what food absolutism does to you. Your conclusion is literally the opposite of my point. You a re letting your fervor for this diet stuff take over your reasoning
7 months ago
Anonymous
And you're a shill. I rest my case your honor.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you disagree with me >therefore you're unreasonable
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early, at an age before most diseases of diet and age can visibly show. >it's a deceptive way to say that they are healthy > someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car, its disingenuous to say they lived a healthy disease free life.
Fricking grain brain can't even keep up with all of his own assertions that he made. I already addressed everything you said. Whether or not these statistics are skewed due to outside forces are completely fricking irrelevant because you have old populations in these groups that are objectively healthier than any other elderly populations and everyone that actually does survive is in perfect health. The elderly that don't die to non diet related things such as being rekt by a lion live just as long or often even longer than anyone else in modern society. There is literally nothing deceptive about saying that all meat eaters are healthier and live longer than anyone else. You were the gay that started trying to muddy the waters by even introducing the concept of limited mortality based on external factors and then you're trying to say that I'm the person obscuring the argument. You're a fricking israelite ir if you're not, you argue exactly like one. You have yet to make a single cohesive argument and also have yet to present a single relevant Cohesive fact. You have presented nothing of value to assert the validity of your points that you have yet to raise.
Restate your positions because you obviously don't even know what you're arguing at this point.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Whether or not these statistics are skewed due to outside forces are completely fricking irrelevant because you have old populations in these groups that are objectively healthier than any other elderly populations
That's a great point, anon, and very well said. I doubt that guy will respond, but I think this is a nice succinct way of discarding the epidemiological BS that morons like him like to muddy the waters with.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hunter gatherers were universally more healthy and physically fit than people who performed agriculture and survived on grains. Source - against the grain , by James c Scott
7 months ago
Anonymous
You have no reason to believe that except "old good"
7 months ago
Anonymous
He literally posted his source, you illiterate ape.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>eat cooked meat for hundreds of thousands of years >during the time that cooked meat becomes available, you double the size of your brain due to increased capability to absorb nutrients >continue eating said food for thousands of years >invent society >invent agriculture >people IMMEDIATELY begin getting diseases that were previously completely unheard of >grain brain gays start shilling their shit diet >try to convince everyone that you were designed to eat goddamned plants all day >ignores hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary biology >ignores that there are still people alive today eating like their ancestors used to and they have 0 issues and are objectively healthy by every metric >get on a basket weaving forum and try to convince people to eat your fricking poison >shit that contains pthalates, other hormone blockers, has basically no usable nutrition, can't even digest it, fiber prevents uptake of nutrients, has literal anti-nutrients, contains heavy metals, contains carcinogens, contains neurotoxins, contains other poisonous compounds, the fricking vegetables that exist today didn't even exist 400 years ago, none of the fruits are exactly the same, makes you shit 6-8 times a day, causes colorectal cancer, the list goes on and on and on and on >"Yeah but meat bad because this Seventh Day Adventist said so." >Jews told me meat is bad so it's bad
Absolutely fricking brain dead
Wasted trips. You don't get 95% blocked arteries from 2 years of a diet, moron. It takes decades for atherosclerosis to build up.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's shown that it takes decades in people who eat more than just meat you know, that dude probably had unlucky genes and by eating only meat and shit he got hit fast.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, and what "unlucky genes" might that be that allowed him to "get hit fast" by eating "only meat and shit?" And what aspects of eating meat caused that?
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're clearly not here in good faith, so I will not respond further. Contemplate on what I've already said and think for yourself. It's your life, not mine. I'm just spitballing, mr. quotation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>make up stupid neurotic shit on the internet to scare people >called out for talking like a moron with no facts >instantly give up while taking the moral and intellectual high ground
Damn, you write exactly like a stereotypical leftist raised by a single mom.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Guaranteed he was doing something that was clearly a major frickup but he won't express it outright and people just use him as THE ONE fricking guy they can find that had a problem while allegedly doing carnivore while ignoring the now hundreds of thousands that are doing it and curing every single disease they have. Like I said earlier, someone in the comments was claiming that he slammed chocolate every night. Even just a little bit of cheating can frick you up, but if he did it every day (likely) before he did carnivore and he still did it after carnivore, it's obviously going to cause issues.
>yeah my head starts pounding when I slam 2 gallons of chocolate milk, but it doesn't mean anything >milk is carnivore and chocolate is dirty carnivore. Chocolate is okay on the diet if you only have it once in a while >proceeds to slam 1 lb of chocolate a night and wake up in the morning to a quart of chocolate milk
It's not a healthy man.
I'm sorry.
No matter your body fat and muscle mass, if you look like that it means you're not normal to begin with. He looks like a fricking abortion survival.
Yes, genetics can be a b***h and in this case when shit hits the fan and you've give us all the basic b***h level info, give us your ancestry as well.
Happened to me. At 33 had a heart attack, right artery completely blocked. Wasn't on any special diet per se but I did eat very clean. Didn't get the jab. My cardiologist has no ideas how it happened.
Clean as in literally chicken, rice and green veggies every day. I was poor, so that's what I ate. Body fat at the time...maybe 18%?
>I did eat very clean.
Post what you ate. >My cardiologist has no ideas how it happened.
Sounds like you have a shitty heart doctor. No wonder you got a heart attack.
I've been seen by 2 cardiologists. Neither can figure it out. One says it's most likely from fa ily genetics and the luck of the draw.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>literally only ate boiled chicken, boiled rice and boiled green vegetables every day from 0 years old to 33 >says his heart doctors literally gave him no information other than "you got unlucky" and "we don't know"
Yeah I'm not buying it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit project much? Why did you feel the desire to put words in my mouth? Lmao cope moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
I am quoting you. If you want to explain yourself more so we actually know wtf you ate and what your doctors told you, please feel free.
>I did eat very clean.
Post what you ate. >My cardiologist has no ideas how it happened.
Sounds like you have a shitty heart doctor. No wonder you got a heart attack.
She had a "deep vein thrombosis," which means blood pooled in her legs and stayed still there for too long, causing it to clot. Your blood should constantly be moving in your body. If you take blood and just keep it still (e.g. pour blood into a cup and wait), it will eventually clot. This clot formed in her legs and went to her brain and got stuck in her brain, causing a stroke.
There are 3 important risk factors for getting these: >venous stasis (staying still)
She was on an airplane sitting for a long time, causing blood to pool in her legs. You can prevent this by walking up and down the aisle every couple hours or just squeezing your leg muscles while you sit sometimes. >hypercoagulability
Clot shot, maybe some hormonal reasons, too. >changes in the blood vessel lining
Clot shot.
People say compression socks help because it squeezes your veins and prevents blood from pooling in them, but I think it's a waste of time. Just use your muscles.
>nutritionfacts.org >uses studies that lump processed meats with actual cuts of meat
Yeah. Great source. Deli Meat and hot dogs are the same as a steak. It's a fact. A NUTRITIONAL FACT!
I'm gonna let everyone on carnivore know to make sure they get their daily recommended servings of hot dogs and baloney.
>When they say "processed meat" they mean foods with soya and sugar in them.
They mean cured meats like pepperoni, bacon, ham and sausage. Synthetic nitrates cause bowel cancer
Nitrates are not harmful at all. That's a silly excuse.
They use epidemiology to claim processed meat is harmful. "Processed" meat is actually good for you just like every other source of meat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you random IST poster. I'm sure you are much better informed than all the people who do this as their lives, and the nitrate laden pig intestine filled with grain and ꜱoy fed pork with a whole days worth of sodium is surely beneficial to my health.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Celery is full of nitrites but they never fearmonger about that.
>I'm sure you are much better informed than all the people who do this as their lives
How many jabs are you on?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Celery is full of nitrites but they never fearmonger about that.
Its almost like synthetic versions of things might have different effects than whole foods containing said thing
>When they say "processed meat" they mean foods with soya and sugar in them.
And all the carbs that make up most of the diet of the subjects. In any case, correlation studies aren't science.
>big meat
Had no idea my local farmer and butcher were such evil global crimelords subverting people with unnatural foods like "meat". Now that I know better I will stick to ethical plant based foods produced by great family-friendly multinationals like Kelloggs, Nestle, Pepsico, Unilever and Mars. Carnivore truly is a terrible diet, we all need to eat a balanced diet of foods approved by our government, banks and corporations, they have our best interests at heart and we should trust the science. STOP BIG MEAT.
Cargill's profits come from selling fertilizer for agriculture.
Meat is not a profitable market sector. Plant-based is where the profits are. Even meat companies don't want to sell meat and are trying to push plantslop alternatives (pic related).
>CocaCola net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 23.92%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/profit-margins >JBS SA net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 0.32%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JBSAY/jbs-sa/profit-margins >Tyson Foods net profit margin as of September 30, 2023 is -1.23%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSN/tyson-foods/profit-margins
Guess which of these companies sell meat and which sells plant-based drinks.
Yeah well if you tell people to only eat one product and then tell them you can sell it to them it because a very lucrative endeavor
7 months ago
Anonymous
True
7 months ago
Anonymous
The first one you have on there, Paul Saladino, sells freeze-dried organs as "supplements." So it's literally just freeze-dried versions of the food he promotes eating. Not sure that's as much of a gotcha as you think it is. >this guy says eating organ meat is good >but he sells organ meat! >scam exposed
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong. He sells fat burners and collagen and nootropics.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you really thought we wouldn't check huh
>nootropics
No he doesn't. He sells freeze-dried brain, which is part of the animal. >collagen
Yes, freeze-dried collagen from scapula and trachea, which are parts of the animal. >fat burners
No he doesn't. He sells suet, which is fat, which is part of the animal.
Like I said, these are all foods he recommends eating fresh. He sells the "supplements" (freeze-dried animal parts) because not everyone has access to brain, trachea, suet, etc. I don't really understand your point or why you're lying on the internet. If you go to his website this is like the first thing it says lmao
Shawn Baker sells coaching because it is almost impossible to monetize meat.
He would make a lot more money selling surgery. But as a good person he wants to actually help people.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Shawn baker sells meat
7 months ago
Anonymous
Words have meaning. He doesn't sell meat.
https://i.imgur.com/GQSHuT4.png
>Shawn Baker sells coaching >sells coaching
"Beef" is a weird way to spell "coaching"
Those links would generate 10x to 100x more profits if they were plant-based.
Anyone who wants profits sells plants. Even the big meat companies want to sell plants. See:
https://i.imgur.com/YbNGcTW.jpg
Cargill's profits come from selling fertilizer for agriculture.
Meat is not a profitable market sector. Plant-based is where the profits are. Even meat companies don't want to sell meat and are trying to push plantslop alternatives (pic related).
>CocaCola net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 23.92%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/profit-margins >JBS SA net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 0.32%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JBSAY/jbs-sa/profit-margins >Tyson Foods net profit margin as of September 30, 2023 is -1.23%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSN/tyson-foods/profit-margins
Guess which of these companies sell meat and which sells plant-based drinks.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's literally his website. He sells meat. I see you'll just lie in the face of facts to promote him so I won't argue with you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Does someone who links to Amazon sell everything that Amazon sells?
>Those links would generate 10x to 100x more profits if they were plant-based.
Comparative analysis isn't relevant. He sells meat. Say it with me. "Shawn baker sells meat, and I was lying when I said he didn't."
Comparative analysis is the most important thing here. You are trying to suggest Shawn Baker is recommending a meat-based diet for financial reasons.
Recommending a meat based diet severely harms Shawn Baker's ability to make money.
You are flipping reality upside-down. His willingness to make _less_ money demonstrates his integrity. His primary goal is obviously to help people.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Does someone who links to Amazon sell everything that Amazon sells?
That's a strawman. But they are a seller for amazon yes >Comparative analysis is the most important thing here.
Nope >You are trying to suggest Shawn Baker is recommending a meat-based diet for financial reasons.
I'm not. Sounds like projection. >Recommending a meat based diet severely harms Shawn Baker's ability to make money.
Weird how it makes him money then
https://i.imgur.com/7ZfqQCP.jpg
Because he destroyed his ability to make money when he went against big food and big pharma.
Yeah its not like big meat is a thing or anything and he directly sells it on his blog, furthering their grip.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Great post. Sick of Shawn shilling his garbage and poisoning people with misinformation. IST needs to isolate his IPs and charge him 10x for every post (ad)
7 months ago
Anonymous
You are using comparative analysis in a deceptive way. If I sell 5 cars for 10000 each and Jim sells 10 trucks for 20000 each, that doesn't mean I didn't make a lot of money. Shawn baker is a vendor for big meat and sells it on his website meat is a huge industry, plants being bigger means nothing in this situation except you trying to use it as a scapegoat
7 months ago
Anonymous
Meant for
No an amazon seller is someone who puts their products on Amazon. Someone who links to Amazon is called an "Amazon associate".
>Yeah its not like big meat is a thing
Right. Big meat is not a thing. See: [...]
Selling meat is making these companies go bankrupt. They want to sell plantslop.
Sorry
7 months ago
Anonymous
Meat is a very small industry and shrinking. The profits are very slim. Meat producers don't even want to sell meat. See:
https://i.imgur.com/YbNGcTW.jpg
Cargill's profits come from selling fertilizer for agriculture.
Meat is not a profitable market sector. Plant-based is where the profits are. Even meat companies don't want to sell meat and are trying to push plantslop alternatives (pic related).
>CocaCola net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 23.92%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/profit-margins >JBS SA net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 0.32%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JBSAY/jbs-sa/profit-margins >Tyson Foods net profit margin as of September 30, 2023 is -1.23%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSN/tyson-foods/profit-margins
Guess which of these companies sell meat and which sells plant-based drinks.
There's also limited to no branding opportunity for meat. There's no CocaCola vs. Pepsi of meat. That makes it very difficult to get revenue from sponsorships or advertising.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Its like you didn't even read my post.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're doing the same thing you did here:
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7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not me
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's like deja vu. You literally cannot stop yourself from acting like a downie.
It formed in her legs due to no compression socks end went to the brain? Please explain all this. I'm scared now.
She was injected with the clotshot. See:
https://i.imgur.com/TgLY54a.jpg
In addition to this, picrel
7 months ago
Anonymous
No an amazon seller is someone who puts their products on Amazon. Someone who links to Amazon is called an "Amazon associate".
>Yeah its not like big meat is a thing
Right. Big meat is not a thing. See:
https://i.imgur.com/YbNGcTW.jpg
Cargill's profits come from selling fertilizer for agriculture.
Meat is not a profitable market sector. Plant-based is where the profits are. Even meat companies don't want to sell meat and are trying to push plantslop alternatives (pic related).
>CocaCola net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 23.92%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/profit-margins >JBS SA net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 0.32%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JBSAY/jbs-sa/profit-margins >Tyson Foods net profit margin as of September 30, 2023 is -1.23%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSN/tyson-foods/profit-margins
Guess which of these companies sell meat and which sells plant-based drinks.
Selling meat is making these companies go bankrupt. They want to sell plantslop.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Those links would generate 10x to 100x more profits if they were plant-based.
Comparative analysis isn't relevant. He sells meat. Say it with me. "Shawn baker sells meat, and I was lying when I said he didn't."
7 months ago
Anonymous
I assume you're saying those are affiliate links and he gets kickbacks from meat sellers, in which case you're arguing that YouTubers are selling Raid: Shadow Legends. I could swear we had a word for this kind of activity though. Something like ADD v'autism.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm glad you have conceded that he sells meat. Not being the sole proprietor of the item you are offering doesn't make you not a seller of it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I thought he got his license back. Why does he need "kickbacks"?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Because he destroyed his ability to make money when he went against big food and big pharma.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Shawn Baker sells coaching >sells coaching
"Beef" is a weird way to spell "coaching"
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's literally his website. He sells meat. I see you'll just lie in the face of facts to promote him so I won't argue with you.
That's his website linking to other people's websites. He's not selling the beef. He's advertising other people's websites. You can't buy beef on his website.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>what is referral
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's a referral. He's not selling them directly. I'm glad we agree.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He's not selling them directly
So just indirectly selling them
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not really sure what you're asking. You said it yourself, it's a referral.
Good for people with autoimmune issues (aka lots of white people). It used to be used in the 40s through the early 80s as a pre contest diet to get shredded and dry quickly. If you're an average person without immune issues you don't need it and you'd be better off eating a more balanced diet
I tried it for a few months thinking it could fix my skin issues (Eczema flare up. Help reduce inflammation) and was desparate... My LDL-cholesterol went up and was shitting diarrhoea the whole time. Finally saw a dermatologist and had to reflect honestly and brutally at my shitty eating habits in the past which was the most likely cause of my skin problems. Skin is healthy and it is the best it has ever been after seeing dermatologist, and repairing my shit eating habits. Now I eat a healthier and wholesome diet covering all flora and fauna (no fast food, no fizzy drinks, minimal highly processed food products). Carnivore will not fix bad habits accumulated over years and years. Fuel your body well young anons and take care of it. Don't make the same mistakes I did.
LDL isn't bad. Again, that's more bullshit. It should be high. That's fatty acid transport to make hormones and do all the important shit your body needs. I bet your triglycerides were normal, along with everything else.
Keep in mind that everyone that these studies are based on is unhealthy even if they are technically considered to be healthy by today's standards. The average person and even the "healthy" people these days are all mentally ill and chronically sick, weak fricking pigs. The standards are based on the average dyel fat sick mentally ill pig. If you follow the standards to the tee you will be one of those homosexuals
>THE ARTERIES ARE CLOGGED BECAUAE I SAID SO OKAY??? LOOK AT THIS homosexual DIORAMA I MADE TO PROVE WHAT IM SAYING IS TRUE. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME LOOK AT THE DISPLAY. REEEEEEEEEE
kys israelite
Still a fatso, but not as fat compared to 3 months ago.
Hoping to reach 12-15% body fat by 8/31/2024.
6 day PPL
1st pic is on 8/31/2023 @196lbs
2nd pic today >pls no bully
I did a 110 days of pure carnivore when I started. I started getting ripped and I wsn't even working out that hard. I had weak frail teeth and my teeth became strong as frick. I had explosive energy (but also the shits/runs for the first week or two) Felt stronger, more stable moods. Since then; I try to eat as much meat as possible and skip carbs whenever possible. (might do like rice n beef occasionally)
Breakfast this morning: two sirloin burgers cut up and mixed with 3 fried eggs cooked in the burger grease. Two protein shakes, vitamins and dessicated beef liver capsules.
Ready to frick today up.
Holy fricking shit
These are the people shilling carnivore?
Thank you for posting bodies btw
I did a 110 days of pure carnivore when I started. I started getting ripped and I wsn't even working out that hard. I had weak frail teeth and my teeth became strong as frick. I had explosive energy (but also the shits/runs for the first week or two) Felt stronger, more stable moods. Since then; I try to eat as much meat as possible and skip carbs whenever possible. (might do like rice n beef occasionally)
Breakfast this morning: two sirloin burgers cut up and mixed with 3 fried eggs cooked in the burger grease. Two protein shakes, vitamins and dessicated beef liver capsules.
Ready to frick today up.
I have two buddies who've seen great success with it. Both lost a lot of body fat, their joint quit aching, and one no longer takes hia diabetes medication. Each been doing it about 2 years. They seem to be doing very well. Has me nearly convinced.
Meme diet that just happens to put protein first but completely lacks the fiber that will keep you from getting colon cancer in your 40s or 50s.
Take half of what the diet proclaims you need, then, add in some green vegetables and some easily digestible carbs like rice, potatoes and a bit of pasta, and you're all good.
If you do it as it stands for carnivore, just do it for a few weeks or a month. You won't get gains for shit on it, so if you're lifting, it's a moronic diet unless you add some carbs in post-training.
>You won't get gains for shit on it, so if you're lifting, it's a moronic diet unless you add some carbs in post-training.
Video is Shawn Baker who has been carnivore for 7 years.
>You won't get gains for shit on it, so if you're lifting, it's a moronic diet unless you add some carbs in post-training.
Video is Shawn Baker who has been carnivore for 7 years.
>eat zero carbs (no sugar) >vegans try to convince people you have sugar diabetes
kek
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wait he's low test too? Haha
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wouldn't be surprised if he just overtrains and tanks his test as a result. So many people do way too much without even realizing it
7 months ago
Anonymous
I guess that depends on your definition of low test.
His testosterone went up on carnivore.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The definition is the medical standard on the sheet
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then he isn't low testosterone. Carnivore made his testosterone go up, as expected.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The sheet literally says its low
7 months ago
Anonymous
425ng/dL isn't low. See:
https://i.imgur.com/xXEu3NK.jpg
I guess that depends on your definition of low test.
His testosterone went up on carnivore.
So what you are doing by posting that pic where you claim he has low test is proving that carnivore almost doubles testosterone.
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not low. Seethe harder, vegtroony.
He was already on carnivore when he took that test. Suddenly doubting your test on the same diet is suspicious and points to other factors besides diet
Good point. Considering the trend it probably more than doubled compared with his pre-carnivore diet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Not low
Says low on the sheet
7 months ago
Anonymous
"The sheet" says 264-916 is the healthy range.
425 > 264
Thus proving that carnivore will cure someone of low testosterone. Very based diet.
So where are the blood tests showing the new value then?
It's a mystery that can only be solved by people who eat meat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
425 isn't on the sheet. The low value is. Provide proof as the other anon did or be quiet
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The sheet" says 264-916
The sheet says he isn't 425
7 months ago
Anonymous
Can't tell if you're playing dumb or are legitimately moronic because veganism actually causes brain damage. Not joking. Not trying to insult you. I genuinely believe you may be mentally disabled from your deficient diet.
I am sorry but you will have to eat a dozen eggs and a kilogram of beef before I can educate you. Your brain doesn't function, vegan.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>other anon being clear cut evidence to the table, numbers and ratio, no bs >I CAN REBUT YOU JUST GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND WATCH ADS AND WATCH THIS GUY TALK
not how it works. Post raw numbers from an identical medical blood test proving his test went up or you have no argument
7 months ago
Anonymous
high test = prostate cancer you goof
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you actually believe that?
7 months ago
Anonymous
So where are the blood tests showing the new value then?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why did you crop the screenshot so much? The test you're referring to says 237 and the anon you're arguing with says his test level is actually 425.
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/6y1OX7t.png
He's arguing with a meme. I'm arguing with bakers own test results
7 months ago
Anonymous
He was already on carnivore when he took that test. Suddenly doubting your test on the same diet is suspicious and points to other factors besides diet
7 months ago
Anonymous
425ng/dL isn't low. See: [...]
So what you are doing by posting that pic where you claim he has low test is proving that carnivore almost doubles testosterone.
Doubling*
7 months ago
Anonymous
The gentleman on the left is a pedophile known as Shawn Baker. A 60 year old who posts on tiktok lmao.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Vegans are monstrously evil people.
Look at how this guy is behaving just because Shawn Baker cures people's diseases with a meat-based diet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not al vegans, many know of such harms and wish for even veganer foods that would guarantee starvation for billions if everyone ate like that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you defending a pedophile by calling me a vegan? Vegans are your boogeyman? If you are vegan you're not a pedophile?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Why are you defending a pedophile by calling me a vegan? Vegans are your boogeyman? If you are vegan you're not a pedophile?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>low fasted insulin >strong blood glucose control
That's the opposite of diabetes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You clearly can't read the test.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Diabetes isn't a disease of testosterone. It's a disease of blood sugar control, which involves insulin. I'm baffled you need me to tell you this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If you bought a car and then never put gas in it, would it be a zero emissions vehicle?
Your body makes carbs from proteins you complete moron. No person on earth gets an equal amount of all the essential amino acids in the exact ratio necessary for building, so whatever is left over from an uneven ratio is used as energy in the form of carbs
>Your body makes carbs from proteins you complete moron
true, so you agree that because of your diet you are forcing your body to go through a incredibly taxing process so it can get what it needs instead of just eating carbs like a normal person?
Also you get no fiber >waa waa the body doesn't need fiber
yeah, you don't need to clean your toilet or pipes either but eventually those will get dirty and clogged even though there is a flushing mechanism. Fiber helps clean it out and thereby helps you have a clean colon instead of slowly getting colon cancer due to waste that gets stuck
Yes, pooping is actually the most important indicator of digestive function. This is why doctors ask you about your poop habits and take stool samples when you have problems.
I feel like you have to be an alien or an extremely naive 12 year old to not know this basic human fact.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's legit a very good indicator of digestive health, or rather indicator of unhealth if you have bad BMs.
Digestive health is not general health. Digestive indicators do not tell you anything about heart disease, blood pressure, brain health, joint health, cardiovascular health, etc etc etc. Just because you people have IBS doesn't mean the entire world is centered around it. Good, you can poop, I'm happy for you. Stop trying to pivot it into the spotlight as if its the ultimate indicator of health
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Digestive indicators do not tell you anything about heart disease, blood pressure, brain health, joint health, cardiovascular health, etc etc etc
lol what medical school did you go to? "Digestive indicators" absolutely can tell you very important things about joint health, heart health, and other organ functions.
For instance, Crohn's disease and Whipple's disease involve joint pain. These are both GI problems. By diagnosing these with "digestive indicators" you could understand the pathogenesis of joint issues.
Hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism affect digestive health with diarrhea or constipation, respectively, and would help you understand a patient's cardiovascular problems (tachycardia, bradycardia, hypotension, etc.).
There are a million other things I could talk about but I think you get the point, if you even read this post.
Just fyi you are highly likely to become incontinent if you dont eat enough insoluble fiber, its a real problem here in the us because people don't eat well and just eat processed stuff. That's why you see fat people at Walmart etc who have sharted themselves
>you are highly likely to become incontinent if you dont eat enough insoluble fiber
This is not even remotely true. The actual causes of incontinence include things like irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), inflammatory bowel disease (like Crohn's disease), and neurologic problems like strokes. In fact, doctors recommend that you avoid insoluble fiber if you have IBS.
Why would you voluntarily eat indigestible plant matter?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'll cut in here for a moment: gut microbes.
Your diet shapes your gut microbes and your gut microbes shape your diet. They do that by disincentivizing you indirectly to eat things you usually eat.
If you eat fiber on the regular, you'll need fiber to keep them and your poop happy. If you have a largely meat-and-dairy based diet, they'll want you to keep eating that.
There are diseases where the balance between you and gut microbes is broken, in which case you shouldn't eat fiber as said as you'll only get them to grow more while your body doesn't know how to handle them. This is most obvious in Crohn's disease where the gut can't get microbes from penetrating into the lamina propria.
Also, if you like meat, be aware of added nitrate compounds. They make package meat look redder but are carcinogenic, especially if heat processed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>If you eat fiber on the regular, you'll need fiber to keep them
Wrong, as I've already pointed out here:
That's nice, anon. Unfortunately, you forgot to look up if a 0 fiber diet affects SCFA and gut bacteria, which was a pretty big oversight on your part. Spoiler: it doesn't. Here, I have a meta-analysis for you:
>Dietary fiber intervention on gut microbiota composition in healthy adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29757343/ >No differences in effect were found between fiber intervention and comparators for α-diversity, abundances of other prespecified bacteria, or other SCFA concentrations. >Dietary fiber had no effect on total SCFA concentration compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators >Dietary fiber intervention does not affect α-diversity
Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks.
.
Here, you can also have an extra study: >Diet rapidly and reproducibly alters the human gut microbiome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957428/ >0 fiber diet caused no change in alpha-diversity and an increase in beta-diversity.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Wrong, as I've already pointed out here
Your study does not contradict or address what I have stated. If you eat fiber and then try to transition to a diet without it, your microbes will not be satisfied and you'll have a transitional period of constipation or diarrhea before the gut microbe populations adapt. Something noted in the study you posted in the reply.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, I thought you meant you would "not keep your gut bacteria" with a diet switch, implying that you would have a massive die-off of gut bacteria by switching your diet from having fiber to no fiber. But I see now you meant "keep your (current) gut bacteria happy." I agree, if you radically change your diet, you'll have a change in your gut bacteria makeup and could get some gastrointestinal upset during the transition.
>Fiber helps clean it out and thereby helps you have a clean colon instead of slowly getting colon cancer due to waste that gets stuck
What the frick are you talking about. This post is insane.
If your colon had poop "get stuck" in it, that would cause infections, not cancer. And a 0 fiber diet is historically not a risk factor for enterocolitis (intestinal disease). In fact, we already know that you can have literally perfect colon function on a 0 fiber diet (if you want sources let me know).
This is like saying you need to "clean out your lungs" every once in a while because the "dirty air" gets stuck in it. Protip: your body doesn't naturally allow waste and bacteria to accumulate inside of it, because that would be moronic and you would die very fast if that was the case.
>don't need to shit nearly as much or as often compared to other people because you actually absorb the food you eat >vegegays somehow think this is a negative >somehow think your body can't handle its own waste excretion
Something that most people don't know about yet, including most carnivores, is that carbs are a major cause of metabolic dysfunction, disrupting the mitochondria and causing downstream diseases because of the mitochondrial disruption.
Several diseases of ALL kinds are heavily linked to mitochondrial irregularity. They aren't just energy producing cells. They also produce lots of other compounds in addition to ATP such as metabolites thag later become seratonin for example. These then go on to be used in other processes. If they are not healthy, then the inability to efficiently produce these compounds leads to issues downstream. This mitochondrial link is what ties carnivore together with all kinds of diseases such as Epileptic seizures, Schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar, Major depression, adhd, anxiety disorders, etc. By switching to carnivore and doing some high intensity training you can flat out cure most of these diseases. Sometimes extremely quickly as in a few days or weeks and sometimes it takes up to 2 years for particularly egregious diseases like schizotypal disorders. Taking people off of these diets results in immediate return of symptoms of a reversal of remission
Dr Salisbury who invented the Salisbury steak also had people on the diet to cure their seizures, which was a success. Seizures returned when they stopped the diet
As fiber approaches zero the amount of GI issues experienced by people also trends toward 0. There is a direct cause and effect relationship with the amount of fiber you eat compared to the amount of problems you experience. When people eat a 0 fiber diet the amount of problems they experience in their GI goes to 0. Across the board there are 0 issues. NONE. As fiber increases, incidence of colorectal cancer, diverticulitis, diverticulosis, bowel inflammation, leaky gut, etc all increase directly proportional to the amount and frequency of fiber ingested. Salisbury steak (blended meat steak) was literally invented to cute GI issues and worked with massive success. It absorbs so well that it hardly even enters the colon before it is absorbed fully. Even with regular whole muscle meat, the amount of waste produced is generally less than 5% of the total intake, meaning if you ate a 16 oz steak (448 grams), you would only shit out about 22.4 grams of material because it absorbs so well. Vegetards STILL think this is somehow a bad thing that you actually use the food you put in you rather than routinely having to squeeze out massive logs of poisonous waste material. They have to cope by saying you need fiber to clean out your colon as if it isn't a self cleaning system. They cope by failing to mention that if you eat fiber you're just exposing your colon to several more lbs of shit than it's supposed to get in the first place. >fricking vegetards, when will they learn
>completely lacks the fiber that will keep you from getting colon cancer in your 40s or 50s.
Describe in detail how a lack of fiber directly causes colon cancer in your 40s.
If you can't do this, your post is immediately discredited and you are full of shit, no pun intended.
Ok since I guess you are quite moronic since you're on the carnivore diet I will make this as easy as possible to understand.
First you need to understand that in your stomach, colon and everywhere else in your body there are tons of bacteria, these live WITH you, they are generally good and help you in various ways.
Eating a lot of fiber leads to the production of butyrate in the large intestine thanks to good bacteria. Normal cells in the intestine use butyrate for energy, but cancer cells prefer sugar. The leftover butyrate then blocks certain processes in cancer cells, activating genes that cause cancer cells to die and stop multiplying. This helps in slowing down or stopping tumor growth.
That's nice, anon. Unfortunately, you forgot to look up if a 0 fiber diet affects SCFA and gut bacteria, which was a pretty big oversight on your part. Spoiler: it doesn't. Here, I have a meta-analysis for you:
>Dietary fiber intervention on gut microbiota composition in healthy adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29757343/ >No differences in effect were found between fiber intervention and comparators for α-diversity, abundances of other prespecified bacteria, or other SCFA concentrations. >Dietary fiber had no effect on total SCFA concentration compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators >Dietary fiber intervention does not affect α-diversity
Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks.
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Did you even read it yourself or just skim it? I just searched for butyrate and could immediately find the exact thing I just told you.
This is from your paper, the full one.
>Results >A total of 64 studies involving 2099 participants were included. Dietary fiber intervention resulted in higher abundance of Bifidobacterium spp. (standardized mean difference (SMD): 0.64; 95% CI: 0.42, 0.86; P < 0.00001) and Lactobacillus spp. (SMD: 0.22; 0.03, 0.41; P = 0.02) as well as fecal butyrate concentration (SMD: 0.24; 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05) compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
>Furthermore, increasing evidence supports the importance of “keystone” bacterial species, whose absence may have profound consequences for the host, as well as other members of the microbial community and their metabolic outputs, including the short-chain fatty acid (SCFA) butyrate (19, 20, 21, 22, 23). Butyrate is of particular relevance to health owing to its beneficial properties such as its immunomodulatory effects (24, 25).
>The effect of fiber intervention on fecal butyrate concentration was reported in 20 studies of 712 participants (52, 53, 59, 63, 66, 71, 74, 77, 80, 82, 84, 86, 90, 91, 93, 94, 96, 103, 112, 115). Fecal butyrate was significantly higher after fiber intervention compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators (SMD: 0.24; 95% CI: 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05), although considerable heterogeneity was present (I2 = 70%).
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Maybe shut the frick up next time if you can't even read or understand the paper you link to.
What is your point? You greentexted so much but didn't actually make a point. There's no difference in alpha-diversity or SCFA concentration. You're cherrypicking a p=0.05 value of butyrate with a CI including 0.00 (lmao) and an I2 = 70%, along with some specific bacterial species.
If you don't understand the statistics or what "alpha-diversity" means, just ask and I can help you understand.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Dunning Kruger at play, there's no point in talking to you and you made that clear now. You dont understand the paper you linked or what the numbers mean.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't make a point >begged to make a point >resorts to ad hominem instead
Ok lol.
Anyway, your initial claim was that you need fiber for SCFAs like butyrate to feed your gut bacteria and prevent tumor growth, and I proved that completely wrong with that meta-analysis. If you'd like to make another point or admit you were wrong, let me know.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That meta analysis not only proved YOU wrong, it also proved you have no idea what you're talking about AND it talks about butyrate as a "keystone" for good health as well as a significant increase with dietary fiber intake.
Arguing with you is like arguing with a 4 year old, you can't comprehend what you're talking about
7 months ago
Anonymous
My claim: >you don't need fiber for a healthy gut microbiome or SCFAs like butyrate
The study: >you don't need fiber for a healthy gut microbiome (alpha-diversity) or SCFAs like butyrate (CI includes 0, p=0.05, I2 = 70% specifically for butyrate, not even an arguable difference for literally any other SCFA).
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lol you must be moronic, maybe because of all the meat. Go ask chatgpt what it really means and have it explain to you in eli5 because you don't seem to understand it yourself
7 months ago
Anonymous
>must be moronic >maybe because of all the meat
Meat actually has a lot of important nutrients for brain function like B12 and creatine, which vegetarians and vegans are deficient in since neither have any plant-based sources. There are even studies showing vegetarians having better cognitive function after eating creatine (only found in meat).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32349356/ >Benefits of Creatine Supplementation for Vegetarians Compared to Omnivorous Athletes: A Systematic Review >Creatine supplementation increased lean tissue mass, type II fiber area, insulin-like growth factor-1, muscular strength, muscular endurance, Wingate mean power output, and brain function (memory and intelligence) in vegetarian participants
Here's a B12 study. Again, you can't get B12 from plants.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18779510/ >Vitamin B12 status and rate of brain volume loss in community-dwelling elderly >The decrease in brain volume was greater among those with lower vitamin B(12) >Low vitamin B(12) status should be further investigated as a modifiable cause of brain atrophy and of likely subsequent cognitive impairment in the elderly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I never said you shouldn't eat meat you fricking moron, you really can't read can you? I know all of that just like I know that you can't read a research paper or understand P values
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I never said you shouldn't eat meat you fricking moron
What else could you possibly have meant by "eating meat makes you moronic" ...?
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's a thread about the carnivore diet, meathead. You really are moronic aren't you?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It's a thread about the carnivore diet, meathead. You really are moronic aren't you?
7 months ago
Anonymous
These threads are always confusing to an anon who is looking for the optimal diet and health.
It always starts >carnivore changed my life >is so good >i got lean and i feel energetic all the time >some vegans come in after mid bump >meat bad >meat heart disease >can't function without carbs
Etc etc, and then we end up with walls of cringe studies with millions of green texts froms autisits like
>doesn't make a point >begged to make a point >resorts to ad hominem instead
Ok lol.
Anyway, your initial claim was that you need fiber for SCFAs like butyrate to feed your gut bacteria and prevent tumor growth, and I proved that completely wrong with that meta-analysis. If you'd like to make another point or admit you were wrong, let me know.
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Did you even read it yourself or just skim it? I just searched for butyrate and could immediately find the exact thing I just told you.
This is from your paper, the full one.
>Results >A total of 64 studies involving 2099 participants were included. Dietary fiber intervention resulted in higher abundance of Bifidobacterium spp. (standardized mean difference (SMD): 0.64; 95% CI: 0.42, 0.86; P < 0.00001) and Lactobacillus spp. (SMD: 0.22; 0.03, 0.41; P = 0.02) as well as fecal butyrate concentration (SMD: 0.24; 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05) compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
>Furthermore, increasing evidence supports the importance of “keystone” bacterial species, whose absence may have profound consequences for the host, as well as other members of the microbial community and their metabolic outputs, including the short-chain fatty acid (SCFA) butyrate (19, 20, 21, 22, 23). Butyrate is of particular relevance to health owing to its beneficial properties such as its immunomodulatory effects (24, 25).
>The effect of fiber intervention on fecal butyrate concentration was reported in 20 studies of 712 participants (52, 53, 59, 63, 66, 71, 74, 77, 80, 82, 84, 86, 90, 91, 93, 94, 96, 103, 112, 115). Fecal butyrate was significantly higher after fiber intervention compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators (SMD: 0.24; 95% CI: 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05), although considerable heterogeneity was present (I2 = 70%).
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Maybe shut the frick up next time if you can't even read or understand the paper you link to.
>If you eat fiber on the regular, you'll need fiber to keep them
Wrong, as I've already pointed out here: [...].
Here, you can also have an extra study: >Diet rapidly and reproducibly alters the human gut microbiome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957428/ >0 fiber diet caused no change in alpha-diversity and an increase in beta-diversity.
That's nice, anon. Unfortunately, you forgot to look up if a 0 fiber diet affects SCFA and gut bacteria, which was a pretty big oversight on your part. Spoiler: it doesn't. Here, I have a meta-analysis for you:
>Dietary fiber intervention on gut microbiota composition in healthy adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29757343/ >No differences in effect were found between fiber intervention and comparators for α-diversity, abundances of other prespecified bacteria, or other SCFA concentrations. >Dietary fiber had no effect on total SCFA concentration compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators >Dietary fiber intervention does not affect α-diversity
Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks.
I mean just tell me, is carnivore good or bad?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I would be confused too if I was too lazy to read anything or formulate any proper questions.
If you replaced the worst foods in your diet right now with more meat you would have a better diet. Does that answer your question?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I was too lazy to read anything or formulate any proper questions.
Not lazy, I just don't know where to start.
First off, why exclude foods that provide me energy? Like rice,potatoes or even fruits? Why strictly meat?
>replace foods with more meat.
Ok, so lets say i eat 2 chicken wraps per day. Should i jsut remove the wrap and add more chicken? How im i supposed to lift without carbs?
Also why everyone here says that carnivore will get you a heart disease and your hair will fall off?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>why exclude foods that give me energy?
Personally, I don't think you should do this. I love fruit and I eat rice and potatoes every week. The emphasis on meat is because it's highly nutritious and a clean source of energy. >chicken wraps
These are ultra-processed foods and you would be better off replacing them with any whole foods. This can be literally anything. Meat + potatoes, meat + white rice, meat + fruit, meat + yogurt, whatever. Just stop eating things with an ingredients list. >why everyone here says that carnivore will get you a heart disease
It's not "everyone," it's 2 vegans in a thread with 54 posters. I don't know why they're saying it, you'd have to ask them. It probably has something to do with "cholesterol bad," which is a myth.
>where do I start
Eat meat with every meal and stop eating foods with ingredients lists. If you literally only do these 2 things you will have an amazing diet that you don't need to think too hard about.
7 months ago
Anonymous
pasta has a good gi due to the compressed structure.
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is legit
meat veggies and rice is fine. meat + anything is fine. as long as it isnt processed or heavily processed full of sugar and sneed oils
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, it's good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>>can't function without carbs
this is true tho .
7 months ago
Anonymous
What would happen if someone ate no carbs?
7 months ago
Anonymous
how could it possibly be wise to roll the dice one way or the other when theres a non zero chance you are genetically predisposed to early death from heart disease when you eat a high fat diet? 30 percent of us have APOE4 variants. Big scawwy badman Ancel Keys lived to be a 100, lets see how meat clowns fare
Honestly it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. I've been doing it since the pandemic and I've never felt better.
Effortlessly stay lean, eat less, no hunger. The best digestion I've ever had - You never have gas or any kind of indigestion. The quality of my skin improved all over my body. It literally makes you glow.
All gas is caused by plant foods. It's indigestion. It's a myth that eggs give you gas. You have gas for other reasons and just smell the eggs you ate with it, but the eggs didn't cause gas.
>literally all the people working with anti-aging, age reversal etc recommend a diet with mostly vegs
meanwhile fit/ards >CARNIVORE DIET!!! ITS SO MANLY WHY ARE YOU NOT EATING TONS OF MEAT RAAAAH!!!!
Grift by the beef industry. Used to make people moronic until they changed the definition to be "you can have some carbs as long as they're manly carbs"
I don't even care about your anti-vax message, I'm just upset that the picture uses such moronic logic to promote said message. I'm so fricking autistic
Can someone explain to me why people on the carnivore diet never seem to eat any organ meats? Based on their social media posts it seems like they literally eat a porterhouse steak for three meals/day.
Even if you've bought into the meme that you shouldn't eat vegetables, surely you should at least eat like an actual carnivore by eating all of the organs, bone marrow and potentially even the stomach contents of your prey.
I love steak, I eat steak almost every single day and I can never get enough. Been making caramelised onion and beetroot pan sauces with my steaks for the past week, I love it.
hunter gatherers are still around, and eat a diet of almost entirely tubers and honey while walking 15k steps daily. 'Ancestral Diets' are made up completely and any benefits are down to avoiding processed food.
60 percent from tubers, 15 percent from honey makes 75 percent which is almost the entire diet. They arent buttering steaks, they are eating lean game.
https://www.wired.com/2012/09/milk-meat-and-blood-how-diet-drives-natural-selection-in-the-maasai/ >Their traditional diet consists almost entirely of milk, meat, and blood. >Two thirds of their calories come from fat, and they consume 600 - 2000 mg of cholesterol a day
So why are you lying? By the way, hunting and eating animals is way more efficient than looking for tubers all day. You would know that if you have ever been in the woods. When was the last time you found a tuber in the woods? Fricking idiot. Humans are way better at hunting than sniffing for tubers in case you didn't know that.
I'm having some kidney problems after a round of harsh medication. Hopefully is just temporary but I was on the cusp of having moderate decrease in kidney function (eGFR = 66 a month ago). I hear high-protein diets can be detrimental for people with kidney disease, but I also wanted to give carnivore a try before all this. Should I wait until I eventually get back to baseline or close to it?
Eating protein generates urea, which is cleared by your kidneys. In a normal person this is no problem, but for you, if your GFR is low, it might cause a build-up of urea (I have no idea if it would). I think the first major problem you'd get from hyperuricemia would be gout, which is joint inflammation and pain. Kidney stones can also happen from hyperuricemia. Personally I doubt this would happen at your eGFR level but I have literally no real-world experience with this.
So I think you should give it a go, but monitor your urea levels and joints (and obviously your eGFR). It will be very obvious if you get gout or a stone, so it's not something you need to constantly be worrying about.
Sounds reasonable. Obviously I'm gonna consult my doctor too but I like to get external input also. I'd expect my serum creatinine to get jacked up too I bet; mine was already sitting at 1.48 (high end of normal is 1.30), should probably give them a heads up so they don't flip shit over my next blood draw (like they did the last one)
Ah yes, good call, I didn't think of creatinine. If the meat-only diet isn't working out for you, by the way, I would recommend adding honey, raw milk, fruit, squash and white rice if you like any of those foods. Good luck with your kidney problems anon.
gout doesn't happen to people on the carnivore diet despite all the meat because gout in a non-carnivore diet setting would come from an issue of excretion, rather than overproduction.
also, you're supposed to treat the carnivore diet as a high-fat medium-protein diet, rather than a high protein diet
i'm
https://i.imgur.com/Tb13Zcx.jpg
posted this a million times so i'll post it again
even while on meds for ulcerative colitis, it got so bad I was shitting pure blood 17 times a day. Lost 20kg (45lbs).
not only did meat-salt-water save my life, and let me drop all my meds, but it came with other benefits:
- fixed 90% of my acne
- permanently clean teeth (haven't used toothpaste in 11 months)
- no more brain fog
- easier sleep
- no more postprandial fatigue
- no more itchy scalp
- never had mental health issues but somehow even more zen-like mental stability
High fat strict carnivore literally saved my life and many others'. These days I'll have mostly beef, lamb, and pork. Once a week or so I'll have eggs and fish as well.
"just eat a balanced diet"
That works for people that can tolerate the starches, grains, fiber, and processed foods you throw at it.
Some of us don't get so lucky, but we do deserve a chance at life.
Seniors and people with autism also benefit from being in ketosis, since ketones are a better energy source for the brain.
Been on it for 11 months, and even despite starting to experience slight kidney and liver issues because of the meds I was taking for my autoimmune condition, they got back to normal
Of course i'm not telling you to hop onto a leap of faith - maybe wait. But my point is that the diet wouldn't cause it.
Thank you for the insight anon. I have seen your pictures here before
My liver is having a hard time too; one of my markers was twice the upper limit of normal range on the last blood draw. Spooky stuff mane
It's sad that this is what they are trying to do to billions of people all around the world. Pushing plant based shit is a crime against humanity. It genuinely fills me with disgust that this is what they're doing to people and still say this shit is healthy
Imagine spending all that time trying to convince people on the internet that some 6'4" jacked old guy whose medical information you have on your computer for some reason has "low testosterone." What is that anon's goal? I just don't understand.
Also, criticizing an old guy's testosterone level, without even posting body, is just pathetic.
Don't get me wrong these posts are funny but how big of a narcissist do you have to be to post shit like this? >Yea I almost died and I'm in the hospital >Now let me tweet about it
Some people are just shameless.
Pic related is a vegan guru selling his books from his hospital bed. >eat like me and you can be just like me! >in the hosiptal having your gall bladder removed
can you refute what's in the book... ?
if a serial killer sold a book from prison that says committing felonies is wrong, is he objectively wrong because he's a felon himself?
Uh yeah just look at him. He looks gross and unhealthy. He's also in the hospital.
Similarly, I wouldn't bother to read the book of a felon on why crime is bad, since his morals are obviously crap. I probably wouldn't learn anything good. I would instead read a book on morals from someone who isn't in prison. ...wouldn't you?
even while on meds for ulcerative colitis, it got so bad I was shitting pure blood 17 times a day. Lost 20kg (45lbs).
not only did meat-salt-water save my life, and let me drop all my meds, but it came with other benefits:
- fixed 90% of my acne
- permanently clean teeth (haven't used toothpaste in 11 months)
- no more brain fog
- easier sleep
- no more postprandial fatigue
- no more itchy scalp
- never had mental health issues but somehow even more zen-like mental stability
High fat strict carnivore literally saved my life and many others'. These days I'll have mostly beef, lamb, and pork. Once a week or so I'll have eggs and fish as well.
"just eat a balanced diet"
That works for people that can tolerate the starches, grains, fiber, and processed foods you throw at it.
Some of us don't get so lucky, but we do deserve a chance at life.
Seniors and people with autism also benefit from being in ketosis, since ketones are a better energy source for the brain.
nah, south-eastern euro. Did like 3 DNA tests, no hebrew there. If you're asking about the nose and hair, I just happen to have some greek blood
Thank you for the insight anon. I have seen your pictures here before
My liver is having a hard time too; one of my markers was twice the upper limit of normal range on the last blood draw. Spooky stuff mane
as ridiculous as it sounds, people just get better on this diet. I wish you the best anon. If you decide to follow a carnivore protocol, look up PKD which was designed by Paleomedicina
tl;dr is red meat only, mostly ruminant if you can - for every 100g of lean meat, add 35g of fat. Liver 300-800g a week. If the meat is already fatty ie short ribs/pork belly, don't add additional fat. If you need an easy fat source, ask a butcher for fat trimmings, or buy pork backfat.
i can't be specific to your conditioin I'm afraid, but if you do have any other questions, you can reach out to me @ plumpodrome on discord
I know pork is non a ruminant, I did say that “these days” I’ll have pork, fish, and eggs. Eggs aren’t ruminants either. My point is that the strictest version of this diet is ruminant meat only, preferably.
Just read my previous post if you’re confused.
Yeah great diet and all except all those cows that are supposed to ruminant grass, now eats a mix feed of basedbeans and corn
7 months ago
Anonymous
what exactly is your point? Most people are aware of this even at their teenage years. Most of the meat I eat is not grass fed, yet it provided me with a second chance at life, and cleared up literally and all health imperfections I had, down to flaky scalp skin. Are you going to criticise an omnivore diet based on people eating non-organic/coated veg? I’m aware of this caveat, but it doesn’t detract from the effectiveness of this protocol regarding its mechanics.
All you need to know
The stroke literally had nothing to do with Carnivore. She had a birth defect, a hole in her heart, went on a flight, and didn't wear compression gear. Clot formed in her legs due to no compression socks. Exited out of the hole in her heart. Went to her brain. Caused a stroke.
?t=9m13s
Low tier bait, frick off psyop homosexuals
In addition to this, picrel
Vax enthusiasts, our response?
vax status?
Cope
>ate low carb
>does not equal carnivore
fricking moron
His Twitter name is TheCarnivoreKid
potentially worth considering then
if he had only eaten natural foods instead of bacon cheese keto rolls. By natural I mean rare grass-fed meat, fish, and fruits. You don't need anything else m8
>CAPTCHA: GYMSX8
Smaller portions of fruit or vegetables instead would make that keto.
Clogged arteries are caused by inflammation (damage) to the arterial walls which is then filled in with cholesterol to repair the damage. Given that Carnivore diets result in the absolute lowest levels of inflammation compared to any other diet (yes, all of them) it is not fair to say that the diet itself did this to him. There are likely other factors at play that we simply don't have the information for.
For all we know he could have been doing drugs every day for years on end. Exercising too much, too hard, too often, etc. will cause damage. If he didn't rest enough then that could cause damage that he simply never let repair. He could have shit sleep. He could also have been cheating on the diet and sneaking in trash foods without telling anyone. Looked at the Facebook comments discussing his case. Someone named "Judy Cho" reported that he ate chocolate every night. Could have been using roids even though he's a dyel by fit standards. Literally could have been any number of things. This is further confounded by the fact that there are literally hundreds of thousands of carnivores now and you have to search for the one guy that had issues compared to the 99.999% that report curing all of their medical issues
>Given that Carnivore diets result in the absolute lowest levels of inflammation compared to any other diet (yes, all of them)
Of course, no source
Don't need a source it's common fricking sense. Heart disease and arterial diseases didn't exist before agriculture
So no source. Got it.
Exactly, no source for the homosexual display. Just making shit up and saying it's what arteries look like because.....?
Not a single tribal that eats a carnivorous diet has either cancer or heart disease. Not a single one
Produce the one that does then
>its absolutely not carnivore
>maybe it could have possibly might have been him slamming coke and having insomnia
The absolute cope
Probably him working out constantly and not recovering. That would make the most sense. Heart disease didn't exist before the agrarian revolution
>Heart disease didn't exist before the agrarian revolution
We have zero reason to believe in that
Either way carnivore diets wouldn't exist without agriculture either
>We have zero reason to believe in that
There are populations of people throughout history that have only eaten meat and they are always in perfect health. All of them without exception. There are also tons of tribes alive today that only eat meat. They are all in perfect health with no exception. Not a single one of them is fat, has any sort of metabolic disease, they all have perfect teeth, they are lean and strong.
>Either way carnivore diets wouldn't exist without agriculture either
>walk out onto the savanna
>kill a Buffalo that's grazing on wild grass
>this Buffalo would not exist without agriculture
Fricking moron. The native Americans had large carnivorous societies with cities that had millions of people in them where they lived almost exclusively on Buffalo and Bison. They didn't farm for shit. They didn't need to. The animals eat GRASS moron. It grows out of the ground FRICKING EVERYWHERE all by itself
Literally Nome of what you said is true. The massai and Inuit die yound
>There are populations of people throughout history that have only eaten meat and they are always in perfect health. All of them without exception. There are also tons of tribes alive today that only eat meat. They are all in perfect health with no exception. Not a single one of them is fat, has any sort of metabolic disease, they all have perfect teeth, they are lean and strong.
Well that's just objectively false and untrue in every single way. You can make a point without lying. I agree meat is healthy but when you start embellishing like this it just makes your position look really flimsy. The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early, at an age before most diseases of diet and age can visibly show. I'm not saying meat causes this but its a deceptive way to say that they are healthy. If someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car, its disingenuous to say they lived a healthy disease free life.
>The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early
>If someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car
Did you seriously just imply that hunter-gatherers are being killed by cars and that's why they don't have heart disease holy fricking shit lmao
>make it past infancy due to external factors
>make it past the age of 30
>highly likely that you will live to be 90+ years old in perfect health the entire time
>NO YOU CANT TALK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE REEEE
>I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE IN PERFECT HEALTH WHEN THEY GET OLD
>A BUNCH OF KIDS GET KILLED BY HYENAS
>SEE THE AVERAGE AS IS LIKE 30 REEEEEEEE
Carnivorous tribals are in perfect health everywhere. Inuit have major mortality young because of murder, suicide, hunting accidents, they succumb to the extremely dangerous environment, now they die because of immense drug and alcohol use (modern inuit arent real tribals).
>Get fricking rekt by a polar bear
>slip and fall into the ice
>get murdered by your neighbor
>out on a hunt and someone accidentally shoots you
>have a nice day because living in the arctic sucks dick and the lack of sun disregulates your hormones
>SEE, THEIR DIETS ARE THE PROBLEM
Frick off israelite
See this is what food absolutism does to you. Your conclusion is literally the opposite of my point. You a re letting your fervor for this diet stuff take over your reasoning
And you're a shill. I rest my case your honor.
>you disagree with me
>therefore you're unreasonable
>The meat eating populations like the massai and Inuit die early, at an age before most diseases of diet and age can visibly show.
>it's a deceptive way to say that they are healthy
> someone was 12 years old and then got hit and killed by a car, its disingenuous to say they lived a healthy disease free life.
Fricking grain brain can't even keep up with all of his own assertions that he made. I already addressed everything you said. Whether or not these statistics are skewed due to outside forces are completely fricking irrelevant because you have old populations in these groups that are objectively healthier than any other elderly populations and everyone that actually does survive is in perfect health. The elderly that don't die to non diet related things such as being rekt by a lion live just as long or often even longer than anyone else in modern society. There is literally nothing deceptive about saying that all meat eaters are healthier and live longer than anyone else. You were the gay that started trying to muddy the waters by even introducing the concept of limited mortality based on external factors and then you're trying to say that I'm the person obscuring the argument. You're a fricking israelite ir if you're not, you argue exactly like one. You have yet to make a single cohesive argument and also have yet to present a single relevant Cohesive fact. You have presented nothing of value to assert the validity of your points that you have yet to raise.
Restate your positions because you obviously don't even know what you're arguing at this point.
>Whether or not these statistics are skewed due to outside forces are completely fricking irrelevant because you have old populations in these groups that are objectively healthier than any other elderly populations
That's a great point, anon, and very well said. I doubt that guy will respond, but I think this is a nice succinct way of discarding the epidemiological BS that morons like him like to muddy the waters with.
Hunter gatherers were universally more healthy and physically fit than people who performed agriculture and survived on grains. Source - against the grain , by James c Scott
You have no reason to believe that except "old good"
He literally posted his source, you illiterate ape.
>eat cooked meat for hundreds of thousands of years
>during the time that cooked meat becomes available, you double the size of your brain due to increased capability to absorb nutrients
>continue eating said food for thousands of years
>invent society
>invent agriculture
>people IMMEDIATELY begin getting diseases that were previously completely unheard of
>grain brain gays start shilling their shit diet
>try to convince everyone that you were designed to eat goddamned plants all day
>ignores hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary biology
>ignores that there are still people alive today eating like their ancestors used to and they have 0 issues and are objectively healthy by every metric
>get on a basket weaving forum and try to convince people to eat your fricking poison
>shit that contains pthalates, other hormone blockers, has basically no usable nutrition, can't even digest it, fiber prevents uptake of nutrients, has literal anti-nutrients, contains heavy metals, contains carcinogens, contains neurotoxins, contains other poisonous compounds, the fricking vegetables that exist today didn't even exist 400 years ago, none of the fruits are exactly the same, makes you shit 6-8 times a day, causes colorectal cancer, the list goes on and on and on and on
>"Yeah but meat bad because this Seventh Day Adventist said so."
>Jews told me meat is bad so it's bad
Absolutely fricking brain dead
Literally every population that eats only meat is in perfect fricking health you israelite
Wasted trips. You don't get 95% blocked arteries from 2 years of a diet, moron. It takes decades for atherosclerosis to build up.
It's shown that it takes decades in people who eat more than just meat you know, that dude probably had unlucky genes and by eating only meat and shit he got hit fast.
Ok, and what "unlucky genes" might that be that allowed him to "get hit fast" by eating "only meat and shit?" And what aspects of eating meat caused that?
You're clearly not here in good faith, so I will not respond further. Contemplate on what I've already said and think for yourself. It's your life, not mine. I'm just spitballing, mr. quotation.
>make up stupid neurotic shit on the internet to scare people
>called out for talking like a moron with no facts
>instantly give up while taking the moral and intellectual high ground
Damn, you write exactly like a stereotypical leftist raised by a single mom.
Guaranteed he was doing something that was clearly a major frickup but he won't express it outright and people just use him as THE ONE fricking guy they can find that had a problem while allegedly doing carnivore while ignoring the now hundreds of thousands that are doing it and curing every single disease they have. Like I said earlier, someone in the comments was claiming that he slammed chocolate every night. Even just a little bit of cheating can frick you up, but if he did it every day (likely) before he did carnivore and he still did it after carnivore, it's obviously going to cause issues.
>yeah my head starts pounding when I slam 2 gallons of chocolate milk, but it doesn't mean anything
>milk is carnivore and chocolate is dirty carnivore. Chocolate is okay on the diet if you only have it once in a while
>proceeds to slam 1 lb of chocolate a night and wake up in the morning to a quart of chocolate milk
even the guy himself thinks it was his high fat diet that did it
It's not a healthy man.
I'm sorry.
No matter your body fat and muscle mass, if you look like that it means you're not normal to begin with. He looks like a fricking abortion survival.
Yes, genetics can be a b***h and in this case when shit hits the fan and you've give us all the basic b***h level info, give us your ancestry as well.
Happened to me. At 33 had a heart attack, right artery completely blocked. Wasn't on any special diet per se but I did eat very clean. Didn't get the jab. My cardiologist has no ideas how it happened.
define very clean and what was your bf percent
Clean as in literally chicken, rice and green veggies every day. I was poor, so that's what I ate. Body fat at the time...maybe 18%?
I've been seen by 2 cardiologists. Neither can figure it out. One says it's most likely from fa ily genetics and the luck of the draw.
>literally only ate boiled chicken, boiled rice and boiled green vegetables every day from 0 years old to 33
>says his heart doctors literally gave him no information other than "you got unlucky" and "we don't know"
Yeah I'm not buying it.
Holy shit project much? Why did you feel the desire to put words in my mouth? Lmao cope moron
I am quoting you. If you want to explain yourself more so we actually know wtf you ate and what your doctors told you, please feel free.
>I did eat very clean.
Post what you ate.
>My cardiologist has no ideas how it happened.
Sounds like you have a shitty heart doctor. No wonder you got a heart attack.
Clot shot?
>Always reposting the same
Thanks for the confirmation
It formed in her legs due to no compression socks end went to the brain? Please explain all this. I'm scared now.
She had a "deep vein thrombosis," which means blood pooled in her legs and stayed still there for too long, causing it to clot. Your blood should constantly be moving in your body. If you take blood and just keep it still (e.g. pour blood into a cup and wait), it will eventually clot. This clot formed in her legs and went to her brain and got stuck in her brain, causing a stroke.
There are 3 important risk factors for getting these:
>venous stasis (staying still)
She was on an airplane sitting for a long time, causing blood to pool in her legs. You can prevent this by walking up and down the aisle every couple hours or just squeezing your leg muscles while you sit sometimes.
>hypercoagulability
Clot shot, maybe some hormonal reasons, too.
>changes in the blood vessel lining
Clot shot.
People say compression socks help because it squeezes your veins and prevents blood from pooling in them, but I think it's a waste of time. Just use your muscles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_vein_thrombosis
read the nutrition label
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-big-meat-manipulated-the-science/
>nutritionfacts.org
>uses studies that lump processed meats with actual cuts of meat
Yeah. Great source. Deli Meat and hot dogs are the same as a steak. It's a fact. A NUTRITIONAL FACT!
I'm gonna let everyone on carnivore know to make sure they get their daily recommended servings of hot dogs and baloney.
What's the difference between processed meat and regular meat that makes the former unhealthy?
Really? Really? You need that explained?
>It's hubris manifest
so trve
When they say "processed meat" they mean foods with soya and sugar in them.
Meat is super healthy. It doesn't become harmful when processed. Only substances added to meat can be harmful.
>When they say "processed meat" they mean foods with soya and sugar in them.
They mean cured meats like pepperoni, bacon, ham and sausage. Synthetic nitrates cause bowel cancer
Nitrates are not harmful at all. That's a silly excuse.
They use epidemiology to claim processed meat is harmful. "Processed" meat is actually good for you just like every other source of meat.
Thank you random IST poster. I'm sure you are much better informed than all the people who do this as their lives, and the nitrate laden pig intestine filled with grain and ꜱoy fed pork with a whole days worth of sodium is surely beneficial to my health.
Celery is full of nitrites but they never fearmonger about that.
>I'm sure you are much better informed than all the people who do this as their lives
How many jabs are you on?
>Celery is full of nitrites but they never fearmonger about that.
Its almost like synthetic versions of things might have different effects than whole foods containing said thing
It's almost like it's just a lie.
>When they say "processed meat" they mean foods with soya and sugar in them.
And all the carbs that make up most of the diet of the subjects. In any case, correlation studies aren't science.
>nutritionfacts
That site is run by Michael Greger. Pic related.
jej
I imagine the title of his book is supposed to be "Hot To Not Age" but this is more accurate.
shill
cope
seethe
truth
>big meat
Had no idea my local farmer and butcher were such evil global crimelords subverting people with unnatural foods like "meat". Now that I know better I will stick to ethical plant based foods produced by great family-friendly multinationals like Kelloggs, Nestle, Pepsico, Unilever and Mars. Carnivore truly is a terrible diet, we all need to eat a balanced diet of foods approved by our government, banks and corporations, they have our best interests at heart and we should trust the science. STOP BIG MEAT.
Okay cargill shill
Cargill's profits come from selling fertilizer for agriculture.
Meat is not a profitable market sector. Plant-based is where the profits are. Even meat companies don't want to sell meat and are trying to push plantslop alternatives (pic related).
>CocaCola net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 23.92%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/profit-margins
>JBS SA net profit margin as of June 30, 2023 is 0.32%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/JBSAY/jbs-sa/profit-margins
>Tyson Foods net profit margin as of September 30, 2023 is -1.23%.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSN/tyson-foods/profit-margins
Guess which of these companies sell meat and which sells plant-based drinks.
>Meat is not a profitable market sector
Really? Shawn baker sells it. Weird
Yeah well if you tell people to only eat one product and then tell them you can sell it to them it because a very lucrative endeavor
True
The first one you have on there, Paul Saladino, sells freeze-dried organs as "supplements." So it's literally just freeze-dried versions of the food he promotes eating. Not sure that's as much of a gotcha as you think it is.
>this guy says eating organ meat is good
>but he sells organ meat!
>scam exposed
Wrong. He sells fat burners and collagen and nootropics.
>nootropics
No he doesn't. He sells freeze-dried brain, which is part of the animal.
>collagen
Yes, freeze-dried collagen from scapula and trachea, which are parts of the animal.
>fat burners
No he doesn't. He sells suet, which is fat, which is part of the animal.
Like I said, these are all foods he recommends eating fresh. He sells the "supplements" (freeze-dried animal parts) because not everyone has access to brain, trachea, suet, etc. I don't really understand your point or why you're lying on the internet. If you go to his website this is like the first thing it says lmao
So you really thought we wouldn't check huh
Shawn Baker sells coaching because it is almost impossible to monetize meat.
He would make a lot more money selling surgery. But as a good person he wants to actually help people.
Shawn baker sells meat
Words have meaning. He doesn't sell meat.
Those links would generate 10x to 100x more profits if they were plant-based.
Anyone who wants profits sells plants. Even the big meat companies want to sell plants. See:
That's literally his website. He sells meat. I see you'll just lie in the face of facts to promote him so I won't argue with you.
Does someone who links to Amazon sell everything that Amazon sells?
Comparative analysis is the most important thing here. You are trying to suggest Shawn Baker is recommending a meat-based diet for financial reasons.
Recommending a meat based diet severely harms Shawn Baker's ability to make money.
You are flipping reality upside-down. His willingness to make _less_ money demonstrates his integrity. His primary goal is obviously to help people.
>Does someone who links to Amazon sell everything that Amazon sells?
That's a strawman. But they are a seller for amazon yes
>Comparative analysis is the most important thing here.
Nope
>You are trying to suggest Shawn Baker is recommending a meat-based diet for financial reasons.
I'm not. Sounds like projection.
>Recommending a meat based diet severely harms Shawn Baker's ability to make money.
Weird how it makes him money then
Yeah its not like big meat is a thing or anything and he directly sells it on his blog, furthering their grip.
Great post. Sick of Shawn shilling his garbage and poisoning people with misinformation. IST needs to isolate his IPs and charge him 10x for every post (ad)
You are using comparative analysis in a deceptive way. If I sell 5 cars for 10000 each and Jim sells 10 trucks for 20000 each, that doesn't mean I didn't make a lot of money. Shawn baker is a vendor for big meat and sells it on his website meat is a huge industry, plants being bigger means nothing in this situation except you trying to use it as a scapegoat
Meant for
Sorry
Meat is a very small industry and shrinking. The profits are very slim. Meat producers don't even want to sell meat. See:
There's also limited to no branding opportunity for meat. There's no CocaCola vs. Pepsi of meat. That makes it very difficult to get revenue from sponsorships or advertising.
Its like you didn't even read my post.
You're doing the same thing you did here:
That's not me
It's like deja vu. You literally cannot stop yourself from acting like a downie.
She was injected with the clotshot. See:
No an amazon seller is someone who puts their products on Amazon. Someone who links to Amazon is called an "Amazon associate".
>Yeah its not like big meat is a thing
Right. Big meat is not a thing. See:
Selling meat is making these companies go bankrupt. They want to sell plantslop.
>Those links would generate 10x to 100x more profits if they were plant-based.
Comparative analysis isn't relevant. He sells meat. Say it with me. "Shawn baker sells meat, and I was lying when I said he didn't."
I assume you're saying those are affiliate links and he gets kickbacks from meat sellers, in which case you're arguing that YouTubers are selling Raid: Shadow Legends. I could swear we had a word for this kind of activity though. Something like ADD v'autism.
I'm glad you have conceded that he sells meat. Not being the sole proprietor of the item you are offering doesn't make you not a seller of it.
I thought he got his license back. Why does he need "kickbacks"?
Because he destroyed his ability to make money when he went against big food and big pharma.
>Shawn Baker sells coaching
>sells coaching
"Beef" is a weird way to spell "coaching"
That's his website linking to other people's websites. He's not selling the beef. He's advertising other people's websites. You can't buy beef on his website.
>what is referral
Yeah, it's a referral. He's not selling them directly. I'm glad we agree.
>He's not selling them directly
So just indirectly selling them
I'm not really sure what you're asking. You said it yourself, it's a referral.
>local farmer and butcher
based and local meat pilled. Getting a nice rib roast for Christmas this year
Meme diet
Only fool falls for it.
Good for people with autoimmune issues (aka lots of white people). It used to be used in the 40s through the early 80s as a pre contest diet to get shredded and dry quickly. If you're an average person without immune issues you don't need it and you'd be better off eating a more balanced diet
carnitas
Disgusting BURNED steak. Only eat rare or medium rare
I tried it for a few months thinking it could fix my skin issues (Eczema flare up. Help reduce inflammation) and was desparate... My LDL-cholesterol went up and was shitting diarrhoea the whole time. Finally saw a dermatologist and had to reflect honestly and brutally at my shitty eating habits in the past which was the most likely cause of my skin problems. Skin is healthy and it is the best it has ever been after seeing dermatologist, and repairing my shit eating habits. Now I eat a healthier and wholesome diet covering all flora and fauna (no fast food, no fizzy drinks, minimal highly processed food products). Carnivore will not fix bad habits accumulated over years and years. Fuel your body well young anons and take care of it. Don't make the same mistakes I did.
LDL isn't bad. Again, that's more bullshit. It should be high. That's fatty acid transport to make hormones and do all the important shit your body needs. I bet your triglycerides were normal, along with everything else.
Keep in mind that everyone that these studies are based on is unhealthy even if they are technically considered to be healthy by today's standards. The average person and even the "healthy" people these days are all mentally ill and chronically sick, weak fricking pigs. The standards are based on the average dyel fat sick mentally ill pig. If you follow the standards to the tee you will be one of those homosexuals
just stop eating processed food
stop eating junk food
stop drinking soda
Turns you into a schizophrenic redditor, simple as.
Right is the ketotard
moronic fad for terminally online morons.
Just eat a regular, balanced diet, you fricking morons.
I did a mini test and started getting heart palpitations. I think I wasn't getting enough electrolytes or something.
Carnivore is the most based diet by far. Cures pretty much every modern disease.
Hi leftist anon
Not really
Mmm.. got me thinking about tasty osso buco.
>THE ARTERIES ARE CLOGGED BECAUAE I SAID SO OKAY??? LOOK AT THIS homosexual DIORAMA I MADE TO PROVE WHAT IM SAYING IS TRUE. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME LOOK AT THE DISPLAY. REEEEEEEEEE
kys israelite
The #1 cause of death in vegans and vegetarians is heart disease. What is this schizo picture?
The #1 cause of death regardless of diet is heart disease
Yup, that's exactly my point.
Seed oils are the cause for that clog
Crohns is from iron added to grains, it turns into a corrosive substance in your stomach.
Cranial and skeletal capacity shrunk with the advent of agriculture, if you went back in time 50,000 years you would get mogged endlessly
Agriculture was a mistake.
0% of your picture is related to anything in this thread
fruits and vegetables are good for you and there is no reason to cut them out
Carnivore people of IST, post your bodies
Let us check your fitness levels
Still a fatso, but not as fat compared to 3 months ago.
Hoping to reach 12-15% body fat by 8/31/2024.
6 day PPL
1st pic is on 8/31/2023 @196lbs
2nd pic today
>pls no bully
>conveniently leaves out what his weight is in 2nd pic
>bright light making it difficult to tell progress
anon....
>criticizing someone posting body
>doesn't post body
Cringe. He also clearly lost 10+ pounds of fat.
I’ll post the one year when it’s time.
See you around.
Holy fricking shit
These are the people shilling carnivore?
Thank you for posting bodies btw
I see progress, but for three months it's a pretty slow progress. At this point your probably are pretty far adapted. Try to fast fatty.
Here's an Anon who eats carnivore.
When will moxyte post his?
I did a 110 days of pure carnivore when I started. I started getting ripped and I wsn't even working out that hard. I had weak frail teeth and my teeth became strong as frick. I had explosive energy (but also the shits/runs for the first week or two) Felt stronger, more stable moods. Since then; I try to eat as much meat as possible and skip carbs whenever possible. (might do like rice n beef occasionally)
Breakfast this morning: two sirloin burgers cut up and mixed with 3 fried eggs cooked in the burger grease. Two protein shakes, vitamins and dessicated beef liver capsules.
Ready to frick today up.
Oh yeah! Forgot; had an issue with my hip and some inflammation problems from a sports injury. Those totally disappeared.
Eat meat.
you are not ripped you look like you're going to explode
I have two buddies who've seen great success with it. Both lost a lot of body fat, their joint quit aching, and one no longer takes hia diabetes medication. Each been doing it about 2 years. They seem to be doing very well. Has me nearly convinced.
Steak tastes good.
It's a meme to trick moronic right wingers into dying of strokes
The average stroke victim is overweight/obese and eats a diet of 85% processed foods, by the way.
Meme diet that just happens to put protein first but completely lacks the fiber that will keep you from getting colon cancer in your 40s or 50s.
Take half of what the diet proclaims you need, then, add in some green vegetables and some easily digestible carbs like rice, potatoes and a bit of pasta, and you're all good.
If you do it as it stands for carnivore, just do it for a few weeks or a month. You won't get gains for shit on it, so if you're lifting, it's a moronic diet unless you add some carbs in post-training.
Fiber has no benefit.
>You won't get gains for shit on it, so if you're lifting, it's a moronic diet unless you add some carbs in post-training.
Video is Shawn Baker who has been carnivore for 7 years.
>tren baker
how about you post your own results instead
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.
Shawn baker is diabetic.
>eat zero carbs (no sugar)
>vegans try to convince people you have sugar diabetes
kek
Wait he's low test too? Haha
Wouldn't be surprised if he just overtrains and tanks his test as a result. So many people do way too much without even realizing it
I guess that depends on your definition of low test.
His testosterone went up on carnivore.
The definition is the medical standard on the sheet
Then he isn't low testosterone. Carnivore made his testosterone go up, as expected.
The sheet literally says its low
425ng/dL isn't low. See:
So what you are doing by posting that pic where you claim he has low test is proving that carnivore almost doubles testosterone.
Not low. Seethe harder, vegtroony.
Good point. Considering the trend it probably more than doubled compared with his pre-carnivore diet.
>Not low
Says low on the sheet
"The sheet" says 264-916 is the healthy range.
425 > 264
Thus proving that carnivore will cure someone of low testosterone. Very based diet.
It's a mystery that can only be solved by people who eat meat.
425 isn't on the sheet. The low value is. Provide proof as the other anon did or be quiet
>The sheet" says 264-916
The sheet says he isn't 425
Can't tell if you're playing dumb or are legitimately moronic because veganism actually causes brain damage. Not joking. Not trying to insult you. I genuinely believe you may be mentally disabled from your deficient diet.
I am sorry but you will have to eat a dozen eggs and a kilogram of beef before I can educate you. Your brain doesn't function, vegan.
>other anon being clear cut evidence to the table, numbers and ratio, no bs
>I CAN REBUT YOU JUST GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND WATCH ADS AND WATCH THIS GUY TALK
not how it works. Post raw numbers from an identical medical blood test proving his test went up or you have no argument
high test = prostate cancer you goof
Do you actually believe that?
So where are the blood tests showing the new value then?
Why did you crop the screenshot so much? The test you're referring to says 237 and the anon you're arguing with says his test level is actually 425.
He's arguing with a meme. I'm arguing with bakers own test results
He was already on carnivore when he took that test. Suddenly doubting your test on the same diet is suspicious and points to other factors besides diet
Doubling*
The gentleman on the left is a pedophile known as Shawn Baker. A 60 year old who posts on tiktok lmao.
Vegans are monstrously evil people.
Look at how this guy is behaving just because Shawn Baker cures people's diseases with a meat-based diet.
Not al vegans, many know of such harms and wish for even veganer foods that would guarantee starvation for billions if everyone ate like that.
Why are you defending a pedophile by calling me a vegan? Vegans are your boogeyman? If you are vegan you're not a pedophile?
>Why are you defending a pedophile by calling me a vegan? Vegans are your boogeyman? If you are vegan you're not a pedophile?
>low fasted insulin
>strong blood glucose control
That's the opposite of diabetes.
You clearly can't read the test.
Diabetes isn't a disease of testosterone. It's a disease of blood sugar control, which involves insulin. I'm baffled you need me to tell you this.
If you bought a car and then never put gas in it, would it be a zero emissions vehicle?
Hey I know that guy from tiktok, he's the grifter pedophile known as Shawn Baker.
Your body makes carbs from proteins you complete moron. No person on earth gets an equal amount of all the essential amino acids in the exact ratio necessary for building, so whatever is left over from an uneven ratio is used as energy in the form of carbs
>Your body makes carbs from proteins you complete moron
true, so you agree that because of your diet you are forcing your body to go through a incredibly taxing process so it can get what it needs instead of just eating carbs like a normal person?
Also you get no fiber
>waa waa the body doesn't need fiber
yeah, you don't need to clean your toilet or pipes either but eventually those will get dirty and clogged even though there is a flushing mechanism. Fiber helps clean it out and thereby helps you have a clean colon instead of slowly getting colon cancer due to waste that gets stuck
I have the cleanest most effortless BMs I've ever had on the carnivore diet with NO fiber. Also no wipe up and little to no odor.
The human body does not need fiber, which should be called indigestible plant garbage.
Yes, pooping effort is the ultimate indicator of health lol
Yes actually
It's legit a very good indicator of digestive health, or rather indicator of unhealth if you have bad BMs.
Yes, pooping is actually the most important indicator of digestive function. This is why doctors ask you about your poop habits and take stool samples when you have problems.
I feel like you have to be an alien or an extremely naive 12 year old to not know this basic human fact.
Digestive health is not general health. Digestive indicators do not tell you anything about heart disease, blood pressure, brain health, joint health, cardiovascular health, etc etc etc. Just because you people have IBS doesn't mean the entire world is centered around it. Good, you can poop, I'm happy for you. Stop trying to pivot it into the spotlight as if its the ultimate indicator of health
>Digestive indicators do not tell you anything about heart disease, blood pressure, brain health, joint health, cardiovascular health, etc etc etc
lol what medical school did you go to? "Digestive indicators" absolutely can tell you very important things about joint health, heart health, and other organ functions.
For instance, Crohn's disease and Whipple's disease involve joint pain. These are both GI problems. By diagnosing these with "digestive indicators" you could understand the pathogenesis of joint issues.
Hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism affect digestive health with diarrhea or constipation, respectively, and would help you understand a patient's cardiovascular problems (tachycardia, bradycardia, hypotension, etc.).
There are a million other things I could talk about but I think you get the point, if you even read this post.
EVERYTHING is better, not just digestion.
Well great, I'm happy for you as I've said.
>i drink some soap so i have diarrhea and the shit just flows out bro, im telling you soap is so healthy and good, really cleans out your system
Just fyi you are highly likely to become incontinent if you dont eat enough insoluble fiber, its a real problem here in the us because people don't eat well and just eat processed stuff. That's why you see fat people at Walmart etc who have sharted themselves
My digestion is literally better than it has ever been in my life. Not even when I was a kid was it this good. You don't need fiber.
I never have gas or any kind of indigestion, never feel backed up.
>you are highly likely to become incontinent if you dont eat enough insoluble fiber
This is not even remotely true. The actual causes of incontinence include things like irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), inflammatory bowel disease (like Crohn's disease), and neurologic problems like strokes. In fact, doctors recommend that you avoid insoluble fiber if you have IBS.
Why would you voluntarily eat indigestible plant matter?
I'll cut in here for a moment: gut microbes.
Your diet shapes your gut microbes and your gut microbes shape your diet. They do that by disincentivizing you indirectly to eat things you usually eat.
If you eat fiber on the regular, you'll need fiber to keep them and your poop happy. If you have a largely meat-and-dairy based diet, they'll want you to keep eating that.
There are diseases where the balance between you and gut microbes is broken, in which case you shouldn't eat fiber as said as you'll only get them to grow more while your body doesn't know how to handle them. This is most obvious in Crohn's disease where the gut can't get microbes from penetrating into the lamina propria.
Also, if you like meat, be aware of added nitrate compounds. They make package meat look redder but are carcinogenic, especially if heat processed.
>If you eat fiber on the regular, you'll need fiber to keep them
Wrong, as I've already pointed out here:
.
Here, you can also have an extra study:
>Diet rapidly and reproducibly alters the human gut microbiome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957428/
>0 fiber diet caused no change in alpha-diversity and an increase in beta-diversity.
>Wrong, as I've already pointed out here
Your study does not contradict or address what I have stated. If you eat fiber and then try to transition to a diet without it, your microbes will not be satisfied and you'll have a transitional period of constipation or diarrhea before the gut microbe populations adapt. Something noted in the study you posted in the reply.
Sorry, I thought you meant you would "not keep your gut bacteria" with a diet switch, implying that you would have a massive die-off of gut bacteria by switching your diet from having fiber to no fiber. But I see now you meant "keep your (current) gut bacteria happy." I agree, if you radically change your diet, you'll have a change in your gut bacteria makeup and could get some gastrointestinal upset during the transition.
What an insane lie.
Americans shit themselves because they eat fattening carbs and then take pharmaceuticals to try and deal with the problem.
>Fiber helps clean it out and thereby helps you have a clean colon instead of slowly getting colon cancer due to waste that gets stuck
What the frick are you talking about. This post is insane.
If your colon had poop "get stuck" in it, that would cause infections, not cancer. And a 0 fiber diet is historically not a risk factor for enterocolitis (intestinal disease). In fact, we already know that you can have literally perfect colon function on a 0 fiber diet (if you want sources let me know).
This is like saying you need to "clean out your lungs" every once in a while because the "dirty air" gets stuck in it. Protip: your body doesn't naturally allow waste and bacteria to accumulate inside of it, because that would be moronic and you would die very fast if that was the case.
>don't need to shit nearly as much or as often compared to other people because you actually absorb the food you eat
>vegegays somehow think this is a negative
>somehow think your body can't handle its own waste excretion
The body needs very little glucose, and it's easily produced through gluconeogenesis.
You have absolutely no dietary requirement for carbs.
Something that most people don't know about yet, including most carnivores, is that carbs are a major cause of metabolic dysfunction, disrupting the mitochondria and causing downstream diseases because of the mitochondrial disruption.
Several diseases of ALL kinds are heavily linked to mitochondrial irregularity. They aren't just energy producing cells. They also produce lots of other compounds in addition to ATP such as metabolites thag later become seratonin for example. These then go on to be used in other processes. If they are not healthy, then the inability to efficiently produce these compounds leads to issues downstream. This mitochondrial link is what ties carnivore together with all kinds of diseases such as Epileptic seizures, Schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar, Major depression, adhd, anxiety disorders, etc. By switching to carnivore and doing some high intensity training you can flat out cure most of these diseases. Sometimes extremely quickly as in a few days or weeks and sometimes it takes up to 2 years for particularly egregious diseases like schizotypal disorders. Taking people off of these diets results in immediate return of symptoms of a reversal of remission
Dr Salisbury who invented the Salisbury steak also had people on the diet to cure their seizures, which was a success. Seizures returned when they stopped the diet
As fiber approaches zero the amount of GI issues experienced by people also trends toward 0. There is a direct cause and effect relationship with the amount of fiber you eat compared to the amount of problems you experience. When people eat a 0 fiber diet the amount of problems they experience in their GI goes to 0. Across the board there are 0 issues. NONE. As fiber increases, incidence of colorectal cancer, diverticulitis, diverticulosis, bowel inflammation, leaky gut, etc all increase directly proportional to the amount and frequency of fiber ingested. Salisbury steak (blended meat steak) was literally invented to cute GI issues and worked with massive success. It absorbs so well that it hardly even enters the colon before it is absorbed fully. Even with regular whole muscle meat, the amount of waste produced is generally less than 5% of the total intake, meaning if you ate a 16 oz steak (448 grams), you would only shit out about 22.4 grams of material because it absorbs so well. Vegetards STILL think this is somehow a bad thing that you actually use the food you put in you rather than routinely having to squeeze out massive logs of poisonous waste material. They have to cope by saying you need fiber to clean out your colon as if it isn't a self cleaning system. They cope by failing to mention that if you eat fiber you're just exposing your colon to several more lbs of shit than it's supposed to get in the first place.
>fricking vegetards, when will they learn
>completely lacks the fiber that will keep you from getting colon cancer in your 40s or 50s.
Describe in detail how a lack of fiber directly causes colon cancer in your 40s.
If you can't do this, your post is immediately discredited and you are full of shit, no pun intended.
Ok since I guess you are quite moronic since you're on the carnivore diet I will make this as easy as possible to understand.
First you need to understand that in your stomach, colon and everywhere else in your body there are tons of bacteria, these live WITH you, they are generally good and help you in various ways.
Eating a lot of fiber leads to the production of butyrate in the large intestine thanks to good bacteria. Normal cells in the intestine use butyrate for energy, but cancer cells prefer sugar. The leftover butyrate then blocks certain processes in cancer cells, activating genes that cause cancer cells to die and stop multiplying. This helps in slowing down or stopping tumor growth.
Did you understand?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26224132/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4258833/
That's nice, anon. Unfortunately, you forgot to look up if a 0 fiber diet affects SCFA and gut bacteria, which was a pretty big oversight on your part. Spoiler: it doesn't. Here, I have a meta-analysis for you:
>Dietary fiber intervention on gut microbiota composition in healthy adults: a systematic review and meta-analysis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29757343/
>No differences in effect were found between fiber intervention and comparators for α-diversity, abundances of other prespecified bacteria, or other SCFA concentrations.
>Dietary fiber had no effect on total SCFA concentration compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators
>Dietary fiber intervention does not affect α-diversity
Let me know if you have any further questions, thanks.
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Did you even read it yourself or just skim it? I just searched for butyrate and could immediately find the exact thing I just told you.
This is from your paper, the full one.
>Results
>A total of 64 studies involving 2099 participants were included. Dietary fiber intervention resulted in higher abundance of Bifidobacterium spp. (standardized mean difference (SMD): 0.64; 95% CI: 0.42, 0.86; P < 0.00001) and Lactobacillus spp. (SMD: 0.22; 0.03, 0.41; P = 0.02) as well as fecal butyrate concentration (SMD: 0.24; 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05) compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
>Furthermore, increasing evidence supports the importance of “keystone” bacterial species, whose absence may have profound consequences for the host, as well as other members of the microbial community and their metabolic outputs, including the short-chain fatty acid (SCFA) butyrate (19, 20, 21, 22, 23). Butyrate is of particular relevance to health owing to its beneficial properties such as its immunomodulatory effects (24, 25).
>The effect of fiber intervention on fecal butyrate concentration was reported in 20 studies of 712 participants (52, 53, 59, 63, 66, 71, 74, 77, 80, 82, 84, 86, 90, 91, 93, 94, 96, 103, 112, 115). Fecal butyrate was significantly higher after fiber intervention compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators (SMD: 0.24; 95% CI: 0.00, 0.47; P = 0.05), although considerable heterogeneity was present (I2 = 70%).
>Dietary fiber intervention leads to a higher abundance of fecal Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus spp., as well as higher fecal concentration of butyrate compared with placebo/low-fiber comparators.
Maybe shut the frick up next time if you can't even read or understand the paper you link to.
What is your point? You greentexted so much but didn't actually make a point. There's no difference in alpha-diversity or SCFA concentration. You're cherrypicking a p=0.05 value of butyrate with a CI including 0.00 (lmao) and an I2 = 70%, along with some specific bacterial species.
If you don't understand the statistics or what "alpha-diversity" means, just ask and I can help you understand.
Dunning Kruger at play, there's no point in talking to you and you made that clear now. You dont understand the paper you linked or what the numbers mean.
>doesn't make a point
>begged to make a point
>resorts to ad hominem instead
Ok lol.
Anyway, your initial claim was that you need fiber for SCFAs like butyrate to feed your gut bacteria and prevent tumor growth, and I proved that completely wrong with that meta-analysis. If you'd like to make another point or admit you were wrong, let me know.
That meta analysis not only proved YOU wrong, it also proved you have no idea what you're talking about AND it talks about butyrate as a "keystone" for good health as well as a significant increase with dietary fiber intake.
Arguing with you is like arguing with a 4 year old, you can't comprehend what you're talking about
My claim:
>you don't need fiber for a healthy gut microbiome or SCFAs like butyrate
The study:
>you don't need fiber for a healthy gut microbiome (alpha-diversity) or SCFAs like butyrate (CI includes 0, p=0.05, I2 = 70% specifically for butyrate, not even an arguable difference for literally any other SCFA).
Lol you must be moronic, maybe because of all the meat. Go ask chatgpt what it really means and have it explain to you in eli5 because you don't seem to understand it yourself
>must be moronic
>maybe because of all the meat
Meat actually has a lot of important nutrients for brain function like B12 and creatine, which vegetarians and vegans are deficient in since neither have any plant-based sources. There are even studies showing vegetarians having better cognitive function after eating creatine (only found in meat).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32349356/
>Benefits of Creatine Supplementation for Vegetarians Compared to Omnivorous Athletes: A Systematic Review
>Creatine supplementation increased lean tissue mass, type II fiber area, insulin-like growth factor-1, muscular strength, muscular endurance, Wingate mean power output, and brain function (memory and intelligence) in vegetarian participants
Here's a B12 study. Again, you can't get B12 from plants.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18779510/
>Vitamin B12 status and rate of brain volume loss in community-dwelling elderly
>The decrease in brain volume was greater among those with lower vitamin B(12)
>Low vitamin B(12) status should be further investigated as a modifiable cause of brain atrophy and of likely subsequent cognitive impairment in the elderly.
I never said you shouldn't eat meat you fricking moron, you really can't read can you? I know all of that just like I know that you can't read a research paper or understand P values
>I never said you shouldn't eat meat you fricking moron
What else could you possibly have meant by "eating meat makes you moronic" ...?
It's a thread about the carnivore diet, meathead. You really are moronic aren't you?
>It's a thread about the carnivore diet, meathead. You really are moronic aren't you?
These threads are always confusing to an anon who is looking for the optimal diet and health.
It always starts
>carnivore changed my life
>is so good
>i got lean and i feel energetic all the time
>some vegans come in after mid bump
>meat bad
>meat heart disease
>can't function without carbs
Etc etc, and then we end up with walls of cringe studies with millions of green texts froms autisits like
I mean just tell me, is carnivore good or bad?
I would be confused too if I was too lazy to read anything or formulate any proper questions.
If you replaced the worst foods in your diet right now with more meat you would have a better diet. Does that answer your question?
>I was too lazy to read anything or formulate any proper questions.
Not lazy, I just don't know where to start.
First off, why exclude foods that provide me energy? Like rice,potatoes or even fruits? Why strictly meat?
>replace foods with more meat.
Ok, so lets say i eat 2 chicken wraps per day. Should i jsut remove the wrap and add more chicken? How im i supposed to lift without carbs?
Also why everyone here says that carnivore will get you a heart disease and your hair will fall off?
>why exclude foods that give me energy?
Personally, I don't think you should do this. I love fruit and I eat rice and potatoes every week. The emphasis on meat is because it's highly nutritious and a clean source of energy.
>chicken wraps
These are ultra-processed foods and you would be better off replacing them with any whole foods. This can be literally anything. Meat + potatoes, meat + white rice, meat + fruit, meat + yogurt, whatever. Just stop eating things with an ingredients list.
>why everyone here says that carnivore will get you a heart disease
It's not "everyone," it's 2 vegans in a thread with 54 posters. I don't know why they're saying it, you'd have to ask them. It probably has something to do with "cholesterol bad," which is a myth.
>where do I start
Eat meat with every meal and stop eating foods with ingredients lists. If you literally only do these 2 things you will have an amazing diet that you don't need to think too hard about.
pasta has a good gi due to the compressed structure.
this is legit
meat veggies and rice is fine. meat + anything is fine. as long as it isnt processed or heavily processed full of sugar and sneed oils
Yes, it's good.
>>can't function without carbs
this is true tho .
What would happen if someone ate no carbs?
how could it possibly be wise to roll the dice one way or the other when theres a non zero chance you are genetically predisposed to early death from heart disease when you eat a high fat diet? 30 percent of us have APOE4 variants. Big scawwy badman Ancel Keys lived to be a 100, lets see how meat clowns fare
Honestly it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. I've been doing it since the pandemic and I've never felt better.
Effortlessly stay lean, eat less, no hunger. The best digestion I've ever had - You never have gas or any kind of indigestion. The quality of my skin improved all over my body. It literally makes you glow.
The carnivore diet is peak health.
Yeah after you find carnivore it seems so obvious. Humans are apex predators of course we should be eating almost entirely red meat.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Why the frick do I get gassy after my 6 eggs? Maybe cause of butter? Also should I ditch the milk? I mostly eat chicken tho.
All gas is caused by plant foods. It's indigestion. It's a myth that eggs give you gas. You have gas for other reasons and just smell the eggs you ate with it, but the eggs didn't cause gas.
>literally all the people working with anti-aging, age reversal etc recommend a diet with mostly vegs
meanwhile fit/ards
>CARNIVORE DIET!!! ITS SO MANLY WHY ARE YOU NOT EATING TONS OF MEAT RAAAAH!!!!
>literally all the people working with anti-aging, age reversal etc recommend a diet with mostly vegs
They're fricking STUPID.
Grift by the beef industry. Used to make people moronic until they changed the definition to be "you can have some carbs as long as they're manly carbs"
I really like how we're living in a time where people genuinely wonder whether or not they should eat vegetables.
For most of human history, we didn't eat vegetables.
Who told you vegetables are good for you?
I don't even care about your anti-vax message, I'm just upset that the picture uses such moronic logic to promote said message. I'm so fricking autistic
Can someone explain to me why people on the carnivore diet never seem to eat any organ meats? Based on their social media posts it seems like they literally eat a porterhouse steak for three meals/day.
Even if you've bought into the meme that you shouldn't eat vegetables, surely you should at least eat like an actual carnivore by eating all of the organs, bone marrow and potentially even the stomach contents of your prey.
Lots of people eat nose-to-tail (I do), but it's still disputed if it's actually necessary.
Because steaks are iconic. Its like the keto people and butter. Its a hyperfixation
it's easy, they are moronic
Hey Everyone stop arguing here's my dog he loves you
hello doggy! what is his name?
Stupid diet for cringy boys who really want to be men.
Steak is literally the perfect food
True. For real men.
I love steak, I eat steak almost every single day and I can never get enough. Been making caramelised onion and beetroot pan sauces with my steaks for the past week, I love it.
A high protein diet can be decent for weightloss.
>carnivore
you know thats more than just red meat right?
hunter gatherers are still around, and eat a diet of almost entirely tubers and honey while walking 15k steps daily. 'Ancestral Diets' are made up completely and any benefits are down to avoiding processed food.
>and eat a diet of almost entirely tubers and honey
Why are you lying? Skip to anywhere in the video.
60 percent from tubers, 15 percent from honey makes 75 percent which is almost the entire diet. They arent buttering steaks, they are eating lean game.
https://www.wired.com/2012/09/milk-meat-and-blood-how-diet-drives-natural-selection-in-the-maasai/
>Their traditional diet consists almost entirely of milk, meat, and blood.
>Two thirds of their calories come from fat, and they consume 600 - 2000 mg of cholesterol a day
So why are you lying? By the way, hunting and eating animals is way more efficient than looking for tubers all day. You would know that if you have ever been in the woods. When was the last time you found a tuber in the woods? Fricking idiot. Humans are way better at hunting than sniffing for tubers in case you didn't know that.
I'm having some kidney problems after a round of harsh medication. Hopefully is just temporary but I was on the cusp of having moderate decrease in kidney function (eGFR = 66 a month ago). I hear high-protein diets can be detrimental for people with kidney disease, but I also wanted to give carnivore a try before all this. Should I wait until I eventually get back to baseline or close to it?
Eating protein generates urea, which is cleared by your kidneys. In a normal person this is no problem, but for you, if your GFR is low, it might cause a build-up of urea (I have no idea if it would). I think the first major problem you'd get from hyperuricemia would be gout, which is joint inflammation and pain. Kidney stones can also happen from hyperuricemia. Personally I doubt this would happen at your eGFR level but I have literally no real-world experience with this.
So I think you should give it a go, but monitor your urea levels and joints (and obviously your eGFR). It will be very obvious if you get gout or a stone, so it's not something you need to constantly be worrying about.
Sounds reasonable. Obviously I'm gonna consult my doctor too but I like to get external input also. I'd expect my serum creatinine to get jacked up too I bet; mine was already sitting at 1.48 (high end of normal is 1.30), should probably give them a heads up so they don't flip shit over my next blood draw (like they did the last one)
Ah yes, good call, I didn't think of creatinine. If the meat-only diet isn't working out for you, by the way, I would recommend adding honey, raw milk, fruit, squash and white rice if you like any of those foods. Good luck with your kidney problems anon.
gout doesn't happen to people on the carnivore diet despite all the meat because gout in a non-carnivore diet setting would come from an issue of excretion, rather than overproduction.
also, you're supposed to treat the carnivore diet as a high-fat medium-protein diet, rather than a high protein diet
i'm
Been on it for 11 months, and even despite starting to experience slight kidney and liver issues because of the meds I was taking for my autoimmune condition, they got back to normal
Of course i'm not telling you to hop onto a leap of faith - maybe wait. But my point is that the diet wouldn't cause it.
Thank you for the insight anon. I have seen your pictures here before
My liver is having a hard time too; one of my markers was twice the upper limit of normal range on the last blood draw. Spooky stuff mane
Carnivore actually cures insanely bad kidney disease. It's mind blowing what this diet can do.
Everything the mainstream health system says is opposite to reality. They are the anti-health system. They profit from harming people.
It's sad that this is what they are trying to do to billions of people all around the world. Pushing plant based shit is a crime against humanity. It genuinely fills me with disgust that this is what they're doing to people and still say this shit is healthy
You know what's coming.
No, brother. There are too many humans. Let the weak, stupid, and docile be culled. Shhhhh...
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Imagine spending all that time trying to convince people on the internet that some 6'4" jacked old guy whose medical information you have on your computer for some reason has "low testosterone." What is that anon's goal? I just don't understand.
Also, criticizing an old guy's testosterone level, without even posting body, is just pathetic.
>What is that anon's goal?
He thinks he is saving animals.
Don't get me wrong these posts are funny but how big of a narcissist do you have to be to post shit like this?
>Yea I almost died and I'm in the hospital
>Now let me tweet about it
Some people are just shameless.
Pic related is a vegan guru selling his books from his hospital bed.
>eat like me and you can be just like me!
>in the hosiptal having your gall bladder removed
These people are mentally (and physically) ill.
can you refute what's in the book... ?
if a serial killer sold a book from prison that says committing felonies is wrong, is he objectively wrong because he's a felon himself?
He's telling people to eat the diet that landed him in the hospital.
Uh yeah just look at him. He looks gross and unhealthy. He's also in the hospital.
Similarly, I wouldn't bother to read the book of a felon on why crime is bad, since his morals are obviously crap. I probably wouldn't learn anything good. I would instead read a book on morals from someone who isn't in prison. ...wouldn't you?
I went carnivore since my stage iv renal cell carcinoma diagnosis.
here i am still alive.
two surgeries, six immunotheraphy sessions.
survived bone, liver, lung, lymph and adrenal metastases.
Good luck getting through it anon, we are rooting for you.
thanks. heres my last scan
Holy shit, that's incredible.
what was your diet and lifestyle habits like before this change?
You lift?
I am assuming that the black spots aren't good..?
That's awesome
posted this a million times so i'll post it again
even while on meds for ulcerative colitis, it got so bad I was shitting pure blood 17 times a day. Lost 20kg (45lbs).
not only did meat-salt-water save my life, and let me drop all my meds, but it came with other benefits:
- fixed 90% of my acne
- permanently clean teeth (haven't used toothpaste in 11 months)
- no more brain fog
- easier sleep
- no more postprandial fatigue
- no more itchy scalp
- never had mental health issues but somehow even more zen-like mental stability
High fat strict carnivore literally saved my life and many others'. These days I'll have mostly beef, lamb, and pork. Once a week or so I'll have eggs and fish as well.
"just eat a balanced diet"
That works for people that can tolerate the starches, grains, fiber, and processed foods you throw at it.
Some of us don't get so lucky, but we do deserve a chance at life.
Seniors and people with autism also benefit from being in ketosis, since ketones are a better energy source for the brain.
Are you israeli?
nah, south-eastern euro. Did like 3 DNA tests, no hebrew there. If you're asking about the nose and hair, I just happen to have some greek blood
as ridiculous as it sounds, people just get better on this diet. I wish you the best anon. If you decide to follow a carnivore protocol, look up PKD which was designed by Paleomedicina
tl;dr is red meat only, mostly ruminant if you can - for every 100g of lean meat, add 35g of fat. Liver 300-800g a week. If the meat is already fatty ie short ribs/pork belly, don't add additional fat. If you need an easy fat source, ask a butcher for fat trimmings, or buy pork backfat.
i can't be specific to your conditioin I'm afraid, but if you do have any other questions, you can reach out to me @ plumpodrome on discord
No eggs? Pork are not ruminants. No nutter? Milk? Yoghurt?
I know pork is non a ruminant, I did say that “these days” I’ll have pork, fish, and eggs. Eggs aren’t ruminants either. My point is that the strictest version of this diet is ruminant meat only, preferably.
Just read my previous post if you’re confused.
Yeah great diet and all except all those cows that are supposed to ruminant grass, now eats a mix feed of basedbeans and corn
what exactly is your point? Most people are aware of this even at their teenage years. Most of the meat I eat is not grass fed, yet it provided me with a second chance at life, and cleared up literally and all health imperfections I had, down to flaky scalp skin. Are you going to criticise an omnivore diet based on people eating non-organic/coated veg? I’m aware of this caveat, but it doesn’t detract from the effectiveness of this protocol regarding its mechanics.
I am really really really happy you have relief from your issues anon..
i appreciate the kind words bud
>"just eat a balanced diet"
God I hate people who say that. Yeah, incorporating garbage plant foods into every meal makes it "balanced".
Meat is a complete food.
Just take balanced breaths, Anon.
Sometimes you should breathe clean fresh air. Sometimes you should smoke tobacco. Balance!
>This message brought to you by Tobacco Information Inc.
I don't get it. Are you guys eating something besides chicken breast?
its for mentally ill ppl.
For weight loss it depends of how fricked your hormones are.
If you were lean most of your life and gained some weight in the last few years you don't need it.
If you were fat for all your life the. It's pretty much your only hope.
It's the opposite of globohomosexual and since globohomosexual has been proven as wrong, it is right.
it makes vegans mald
and big pharma and big food lose money
Loving the carnivore diet bros. The only downside is that the weight loss is pretty slow for me. Like a pound a week.
I'm a muscular 5'8 but still fatass 194pounds. I should lose more than that doing omads carnivore every day.