don't do it bros, I used fin for ~8 months 1mg EOD while looking for a gf and ignored the semi's i was getting when jacking off because "oh i'm probably just jacking off too much or desensitized". Recently started seeing someone and I legit can't get fully hard no matter what. Very little interest in sex/jerking off too. It's bad enough balding at 23 but even worse when you can't get hard during your "prime" of your sexual life. I came off it a month ago but still have the sides. Do bloodwork and a bunch of research before you start such an impactful medication, don't trust the Hims/Roman/Keeps brand robots. I don't know about topical fin though, I will say seeing my hair start to fall out again is fricking dreadful, use it at your own risk
My dick is invincible,I did/do everything,it cant be killed
>t.24yo
OP here
sorry i meant to soijak and greentext this
i did dutasteride and it gave me permanent ED
I dont understand how this shit can give you permanent side effects
get fricked, my dick got harder after I started fin
Same.
Went from jacking off every other day to jacking off 2-3 times a day.
Fin is boosting your test like 20%, why would it make your sexual function WORSE?
because DHT is a more potent androgen than T and your genital tissue needs it.
also, since your free testosterone is increasing, it gets converted to estrogen
Nobody injects DHT,every bodybuilders needs a testosterone base and old men do TESTOSTERONE Replacement therapy not DHT replacement therapy.
Saying DHT is good is like saying cyanide is good because it comes from almonds lmao.
>Saying DHT is good is like saying cyanide is good because it comes from almonds lmao.
damn you are fricking moronic
Inject DHT then gay,max that shit since its so good for you.
God I hate contrarians.
>Nobody injects DHT
For what? Building muscle? That's because skeletal muscle has an enzyme that breaks down DHT before it has any anabolic effects. That has nothing to do with genital tissue though which is what I was talking about.
>old men do TESTOSTERONE Replacement therapy not DHT replacement therapy.
uh...why would they if they don't have a 5AR deficiency? that testosterone is going to get converted to DHT
The end point is that most men serious into improving themselves try to MAX their test and MINIMIZE their estrogen and DHT.
>The end point is that most men serious into improving themselves try to MAX their test and MINIMIZE their estrogen and DHT.
no one is trying to minimize their DHT unless they have an enlarged prostate. stop spreading broscience
>because DHT is a more potent androgen than T and your genital tissue needs it.
DHT has nothing to do with sexual function. its simply a hormone that develops secondary sexual characteristics like body hair and causes genital development.
source: i nuked my DHT and my dick works better
>also, since your free testosterone is increasing, it gets converted to estrogen
Some. Estrogen is important and your body needs to maintain a balance for you to be healthy. Test goes up, estrogen goes up, this is healthy.
>DHT has nothing to do with sexual function.
lol yes it does. it boosts libido and sexual function. stop spreading broscience and Kevin Mann's bullshit
>lol yes it does. it boosts libido and sexual function. stop spreading broscience and Kevin Mann's bullshit
Then explain my situation? Explain why only 2% of men absolutely nuking their DHT to nothing get ANY side effects? Explain why placebos have a similar rate of side effects to finasteride?
>Explain why only 2% of men absolutely nuking their DHT to nothing get ANY side effects?
if you mean from taking finasteride, metal-analysis shows it can be up to 16% depending on which study you look at.
meta*
>The review revealed that finasteride is infrequently associated with problems of ejaculation (2.1-7.7%), erection (4.9-15.8%), and libido (3.1-5.4%).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/
And do these studies account for the fact that these men may have heard about the supposed side effects of finasteride before the study? And then why do only 16% of men get erection problem from absolutely nuking their DHT if it does what you say it does? Shouldn't that give 100% of men erection problems? And why does the body bother having testosterone at all if DHT does the same exact thing, only better and with less hormone required?
A much more simple and likely hypothesis is that, men hear about the side effects, and gaslight themselves into anxiety induced ED over fear of side effects.
>And then why do only 16% of men get erection problem from absolutely nuking their DHT if it does what you say it does? Shouldn't that give 100% of men erection problems?
but finasteride doesn't lower your DHT to 0. it lowers serum levels by about 2/3. You're saying that DHT is useless but even a 65 to 70 percent reduction causes noticeable effects in a certain percentage of men.
Interesting how dutasteride, which lowers DHT even further, has a greater risk of side-effects than finasteride.
>And why does the body bother having testosterone at all if DHT does the same exact thing, only better and with less hormone required?
no one claimed that. All androgens are important. You can't substitute one for the other. T is needed for skeletal muscle and DHT is needed for the development and maintenance of genital tissue.
Dutasteride lowers DHT by over 90% and still has a similar rate of supposed side effects to finasteride. How do you explain that away?
>still has a similar rate of supposed side effects to finasteride
not true. it's greater and it also inhibits Type 1 5AR in addition to Type 2. Type 1 is found in abundance in the brain which is why neurological side-effects are greater in dutasteride.
inb4 5AR has no function in the brain
>muh neurosteroids
If large amounts of DHT is necessary in the brain then how come women are fine with having almost no DHT? What is their equivalent hormone that is a precursor to these neurosteroids that men don't have?
Are you really using women's brains are fine as an argument here?
anon...DHT is not the only neurosteroid 5AR synthesizes...
also, the male brain and female brain is very different. It's well-known they require different hormone levels for healthy function
So in other words, you can't answer the question, all you can do is cherry pick studies, and try to gaslight people in to seeing significance in a very low rate of side effects for how important you claim DHT is.
Stay malding kid.
Darwinism
Also I'm on cialis because I get a sick pump in the gym. I've put on actual 5 lbs of lean mass since I started using it a couple months ago and I've been lifting for years. The fascia stretch effect is real and my legs have blown up.
Wtf I'm on dutasteride and I'm fine
>some anon makes a hairloss thread
>someone recommends fin
>bald OP incel instantly makes a demoralization thread in order to prevent people from taking it
I can see through your israeli lies, baldcel.
I just think you morons on IST need to stop spreading lies that DHT, the most potent androgen, is not important for males.
Not to mention, inhibiting 5AR enzyme also stops the synthesis of 10 other hormones and their metabolites.
just lol at thinking long-term inhibition of such an important enzyme will have no consequences
I personally DID notice weaker erections and different quality semen on fin when I tried it at 21. I stopped and only used minox after that. Hair was thick enough to where it's still unnoticeable to others at 26.
Pretty skeptical of starting fin back up but there's got to be something. I've heard systemic minox is pretty effective.. Should I eat this shit?
Forgot to mention that the turgidity of my muscle also noticeably decreased. Like it suddenly became soft to the touch. No immediately noticeable loss in strength though..
OP here, I'm trans btw if that matters