>35 years old
>haven’t been to a gym in 10 years
>5’11
>140 lbs
>10.5” biceps
>14” neck
>zero muscle definition anywhere
Give it to me straight, is it over for me? Did I wait too long to start getting fit and now I’m going to be stuck as a pathetic skeleton for the rest of my life?
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Even if you were working out since you were a teen your testosterone would begin to decline at your age and working out would become more about maintenance then actual building.
You're undeveloped enough that you can probably still significantly improve your body and health if you did begin to workout, but don't expect to look great without roids. I would guess if you went to a doc you could probably get prescribed hrt.
So basically I’m fricked. I don’t think a doctor would prescribe that if I had normal levels for my age and when I last had my testosterone tested in my 20s it was high, so I have no reason to assume I have low t.
Depends what you mean. You can still probably become reasonably strong. It will be more difficult and you will be more prone to injury so you'll need to be more careful, and you have years of experience to make up for, but you can still become functionally stronger then the average person if you began to consistently workout. I'm just saying don't expect anything aesthetically great if thats why you want to do it. I'd still say you should workout though just because it will make life much more enjoyable, at least thats why I do it.
I just want to look at least like an average man and not like a weak skinny frick who would lose a fight to any woman.
Thats easy lmao. Just eat enough protein at a calorie surplus while working out 2-3 times a week for a few months. Also would help if you stopped being such a bitter resentful homosexual.
I’m not bitter or resentful, I’ve just pretty much given up on life because how can I have any self respect as a man when I look like this.
>I’m not bitter or resentful, I’ve just pretty much given up on life because how can I have any self respect as a man when I look like this.
Stop being a little victim b***h that lets shit happen to him. You fricked yourself up by paying no attention to your body. Great, but thats all in the past. Its up to you right now if you want to continue being a little b***h that does nothing but complain about his frick ups, or an actual man that does something to fix them.
>I just want to look at least like an average man
You need to realize that 90% of men in America look like absolute shit. Regardless of the specifics and limits of what fitness will be able to do for you, it's beyond a doubt that it will put you in better shape than 90% of the morons you encounter in daily life. Do not let yourself trick yourself into thinking "it's probably not worth it anyway since I'll always look bad". You will look and feel better than you do right now, and if your goal is to look better than most men, don't worry, you will.
>and if your goal is to look better than most men, don't worry, you will
How though? If I have 10" arms now the most I will ever achieve even after years of lifting is probably 13", which is still smaller than the average man. Neck size is impossible to change anyway so even the best I could possibly hope for if everything goes perfectly is still looking below average. What's even the point then?
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i started with 11" and now they are at 15". thicker neck too. stop being a doomer homosexual and go to the gym why didn't you go today. go buy some whey right now.
This a lie. Everyone I know that goes to the gym in their thirties makes great gains. You can do a 3-4 day a week no problem. Recovery time is higher and you'll need to max protein intake.
Don't listen to this homosexual.
If you're working out, eating healthy and staying in shape then you shouldn't be experiencing significant test decreases in your mid 30s. Guy above is a demotivation poster who likely looks like a soijack and hasn't lifted a weight in his life.
LOL. LMAO even. You can make gains into your 50’s no problem. Frick off with your demoralisation bullshit.
100% bullshit.
I lifted at ages 17-20. Sat on my ass all throughout my 20's.
Took me around 6 months at age 31 to recoup most of my strength, 10kg lighter and with lower bf. There is no meaningful drop in hormone activity until 40-50+ if take care of yourself, you're just more prone to injuries and can't get away with too much bullshit, but hopefully those extra years means some more wisdom too so it's no problem.
> Even if you were working out since you were a teen your testosterone would begin to decline at your age and working out would become more about maintenance then actual building.
Had lunch today with a 53 year old man with 698 testosterone.
This guy isn’t him, but the point is your T doesn’t have to decline that much.
Get your diet right to optimize Mg-ATP production and minimize exhaust and see what your body will allow you to do.
A toxic body will crap out — of course.
Dr. Chris Palmer and Morley Robbins hold the keys.
I view keto as a therapy for all but the most damaged, and a healthy, real food Zone Diet program as the best long term diet for healthy people.
It's never too late to improve.
>inb4 genetics, black pills, and defeatist gays
We are all going to make it.
this
this poster is a troony groomer
>It's never too late to improve.
Winning post right here
Mandatory post to read.
Well you're Auschwitz-mode so at least it's better than being fat or skinnyfat pear anon. If you actually start giving a shit you can look pretty good in about 2-3 years
It absolutely is not better than being fat. Women and even men have no respect for me. I feel embarrassed any time I have to wear a short sleeve shirt and I fricking hate summer because of it. I have even less self confidence now than I did when I was in high school because at least there were SOME other people as skinny as me at that age. The only people my age who look like this are junkies and cancer patients.
Why did you leave it until 35?
This is like people on /LULZ/ only just realizing at 30 that they should've been talking to people
>This is like people on /LULZ/ only just realizing at 30 that they should've been talking to people
hey thats me. im gonna kill myself
>This is like people on /LULZ/ only just realizing at 30 that they should've been talking to people
have you talked to people?
You sound whinier then my kid brother in highschool. Lmao you're 35 grow the frick up. Just buy a couple fricking dumbbells and do curls and tricep raises every other day and you'll have better looking arms.
I can guarantee nobody gives a frick about you mate. That in itself isn't exactly great, but nobody is wasting time actively disliking you for being a skinny c**t. If you were an obeast it would be a different matter. As it is, you're in the lucky position of being able to build yourself up rather than having to also lose weight. Start monitoring what you eat, eat a big surplus of healthy foods, lift at least 3 days a week (properly, not some homosexual programme for women or some shit), and aim at gaining weight. Why are you even on here now instead of being at the gym getting started?
Bruh you can solve that with diet and exercise. You'll become normal body with no problem. Also nobody gives af abiut how you look and you shouldn't care. It's all in your head. Being fat is worse than being skinny btw. Don't lose sleep over nothing, eat better, exercise.
> The only people my age who look like this are junkies and cancer patients.
You describe a person with damaged mitochondrial function.
You have low motivation and “muscle acid,” right?
Me, too, and for 35 years. I want to work out. I want to gain muscle. I did until I was 20. Then my body shut that chit down.
It likely saved my life. Friends are dying all around me, including one friend who was huge…. Until his heart failed and surgery wrecked his kidneys.
If my body let me get that big, I might be in his shoes.
Mg-ATP is required to support muscles, and if your body has a limit, your heart might give out due to low Mg-ATP because the muscles are draining it!
The body is smart! Wicked smart!!
Accept the fact your mitochondria is almost certainly damaged in significant ways like mine is.
Feel blessed that you now know what you have to do…. Trigger the removal of the damaged cells and nourish your body with mitochondrial nutrients that have been systematically removed from the food supply over the last 80 years.
Avoid the toxins as well — almost all seed oils being a horrible offender.
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Search YouTube for Dr. Chris Palmer (how to trigger damaged cell recycling) and Morley Robbins to detox iron overload and support the mitochondria with retinol, magnesium, bio-copper, sun exposure, and an ancestral diet.
Once the mind and body are both anabolic again, I believe the best nutrition plan is close to a Zone Diet 40/30/30 plan.
IOW, keto is a therapy for most, not a required life long plan.
Pretty much in the same boat as anon
My arms are like half the size of yours and I have basically no traps. If I could look like this I wouldn’t even be making this thread.
just lift for a year and shave and you'll look good
I lifted for a year to look like this. Started as an absolute skelly
I've lifted for 2 years now to look like this. Probably never look much better but it's still good for vitality.
Austin powers. YER AN ANIMAL!!
>500mg of test cyp for 16 weeks
>30mg Oxandrolone ED when training
>3,200 calories per day
>230g protein
>300g cars
>rest fat
See you in 16 weeks looking better than 99% of the gays here that have been training natty for 5+ years. Lol
Probably the best advice ITT. No shame in juicing now, the dudes 35 with no base.
>tfw forearms <2 inches thinner than your neck
>I'm 6' 155lbs
You can only improve tho.
Going to the gym is about improving yourself. Having so much room to grow is a blessing, not a curse. If you eat right and train consistently, you'll look like a completely different person within 6 months. The only thing worth caring about is progress.
t. Massive hardgainer who's taken years off of lifting multiple times. Started at around 130 lbs, gained like 20-25 lbs of (mostly) muscle within the past year.
OP you need to man up. In a few months if you truly stick to it you will laugh at how hopeless you sound. I see plenty of DYEL 40+ guys there anyway so stop thinking this is just a you problem or that you're too old to start. You can build muscle at any age. Be the man you want to be its not too late, by 37 you'll be a new person. just be consistent and eat your protein.
I started off as a 5'10" 142lbs depressed suicidal homosexual too at 33. I worked construction and got mocked and laughed at for struggling to lift shit all the time for years. Id always be skipping lunch and smoking a pack a day. Then eventually like you I got sick of looking at myself and decided to start only I didn't need a mongolian basket weaving forum to tell me to. I quit smoking and started out doing SL 5x5 barely benching 95lbs while zoomers were repping 225 next to me lol. Now a year and a half later I'm 185ish doing PPL, and yes the memes are true, women mire and men subconsciously either show you respect or try to dominate.
But life overall is better I wouldn't trade it for the world. upwards spirals are just as real as downward ones. I'm no longer suicidal. I'm talking to this qt trainer at my gym. started a side business that's taking off. my day job is 100x easier now too. Still have a long way to go but its really the only time in my shitty life where consistency has paid off.
so tl;dr just start OP stop being a pussy. wagmi
Nice work bro, happy for you.
Listen to this OP, as long as you’re consistently lifting, while making sure to switch exercises if you stop progressing, you can definitely still make it. Just be sure to take a before picture, it’ll make it easier to see how much you’re progressing.
> just be consistent and eat your protein.
Great story and very inspirational.
It will work for many, at least for a time.
However, there is a growing group of people this will not work for.
Let me explain, and I’m not hypothesizing this, I’ve live / am living it.
Everyone off their ancestral diet is in some level of mitochondrial poisoning.
The more “fortified” rusty iron filings and toxic seed oils you and your maternal line have ingested, the more poisoned your mitochondria are.
Passed a certain point, the body wisely shuts down. If it didn’t the body would expend too much energy, create too much exhaust, and something would fail in short order — like a heart or a pancreas.
The body protects you from this by lowering, sometimes stamping on, your motivation and desire to expend energy.
You body is saving your life in the short to medium term.
You body is wicked smart. It has to be to put up with the dumb stuff we do it.
The first concept to learn is epigenetics and genetics can’t be separated. Genetics only express in a certain way in a certain environment.
The environment is dictated by what you ingest, how you deal with trauma and how much trauma is filed out your way, especially when young.
Momma gives Baby 100% of their mitochondrial DNA and 100% of the epigenetics environment that drives the genetic expression.
Dad has zero input there.
The real FEMININE SUPERPOWER is what they ingest for food and drink on a daily basis because 100% of the next generation will produce energy based off of these choices.
Fast Food Babies are poisoned. 2nd and 3rd generation Fast Food Babies are really poisoned when it comes to energy production.
This is common sense. Uncommon common sense.
There is a countermeasure, but it all depends on feeding the mitochondria the nutrients it needs to thrive and detoxing the pollutants.
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The keys to upgrading your poisoned mitochondria is to trigger the destruction of the crappy mitochondria while bathing your blood with mitochondrial nutrition, all while avoiding the mitochondrial poisons that are ubiquitous in the food supply and frequently promotes as good things.
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Look up Dr. Chris Palmer to learn how to tear down the old cells and promote their replacement, and look up Morley Robbins to learn how dial in a diet that promotes optimal mitochondrial function.
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Iron Overload, Magnesium, Copper, and Retinol Depletion
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Studies on the Role of Ceruloplasmin (Bio-Copper) in Schizophrenia
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I started at 35 and went from being skinnyfat to ottermode. It's only over if you accept that it's over.
Damn I'm 5'11, 145 pounds and got 13 inch biceps. So I'm guessing you don't even have any visible abs or anything. Anyway you obviously know it's not too late, put in the work and you're gonna see results. If you really put the work into heavy resistance exercise and eating right you'll look much better in a year. And if you don't then you'll still look the same in a year.
my forearms are almost as thick as your neck
what the frick are you doing?
>Give it to me straight, is it over for me?
you can look a bit worse than you do now when youre 45 or you can look better, its up to you
>Did I wait too long to start getting fit and now I’m going to be stuck as a pathetic skeleton for the rest of my life?
not if you do steroids
>Give it to me straight, is it over for me? Did I wait too long to start getting fit and now I’m going to be stuck as a pathetic skeleton for the rest of my life?
80 is like too old. And even then, some basic weight training would probably help avoid bone and muscle loss. 35 is fine. Worst case, you get your blood work done, get them to test T, they say it is low and you get T.
You're probably fine. I'm 40, had my blood work done, and my T was 100 to 200 higher than a friend 5 years younger and a foot taller.
give it a shot. What else you going to do? Lay down and die?
15+ years of that mentality have gotten you to where you are now. You can go on and sulk or you can change yourself for the better.
Will you become a worl elite bodybuilder? Probably not but you can still improve yourself
You will have no problems making gains and become natty buff if you follow the same advice that applies to all natty gym goers
The problem you may have is precisely this
It's never over. Get that shitty attitude out of your head, it is poison. Stop b***hing and go lift.
> Give it to me straight, is it over for me? Did I wait too long to start getting fit and now I’m going to be stuck as a pathetic skeleton for the rest of my life?
No, but your epigenetics like sucked, and continue to do so.
Muscle == expression of functional mitochondria in the muscle cells.
You mitochondria is likely poisoned.
One effect, you are likely short a cylinder in your mitochondria engines and your likely acidic diet is pulling alkaline (electron donating) minerals from your muscles…. In effect you have muscle acid flowing in your veins.
Your bio-Mom ate processed foods as a staple, right?
No pastured animal organ meats for you growing up, right?
There is hope, but being dumb, deaf and blind to physiology is not the answer producer.
Look up Dr.Chris Palmer (Brain Energy) and Morley Robbins (Cure Your Fatigue) and learn how to recycle your cells and mitochondria and replace them with nitrified and energetic replacements.
Wtf are you talking about, all op has to do is LIFT!
> Wtf are you talking about, all op has to do is LIFT!
You have been bred to be ignorant of key physiological LAWS.
I’m sharing people who are sharing these key laws.
Your response was a reaction, something you have also been bred to do.
Break your programming — the sustainability of your bloodline / family line literally depends on it.
Not to mention being around “IRON MAIDENS” is hell on Earth.
Your life will improve if you hear the matter before answering it,
It's not over for you at all. Quit the doomer bullshit and read the sticky and determine your goals. Discipline is the key not motivation. You can make it OP in fact, WAGMI
instead of take a multivitamin it should be "take your hand off your dick"
just do starting strength
That’s literally my stats and I’m married with two kids. But I also used to be a semi-pro runner and met my wife through running. Why do you guys think you need to lift to get women? It is neither necessary nor sufficient.
Not too late anon, your testosterone would increase significantly if you started to lift it's not like the other homosexuals say, 35 ain't spring chicken but it ain't old either.
You can do it, you can improve significantly considering your current stats.
>this thread
I'm 31, 5'9" and have never weighed more than 140 lbs. I was 115 lbs until graduating high school. My lower body is relatively normal looking from a lot of bicycling but my upper body is a complete skeleton. Visible ribs in all directions, complete toothpick arms. To give you an idea of my emaciation here is photo evidence of my 5.5" wrists
It's over for me.
31 is still young, start doing ss+gomad asap, and be consistent, you can look great by 34
I'm in a similar situation except it's been 5 years and I still have some definition. I'm hoping muscle memory isn't a meme and I can get back to where I was in 6 months or a year.
I'm in a similar situation to OP. I have the added detriment of officiating multiple sports and seeing boys at the youth level be larger than me
>soccer
>lacrosse
>water polo
Especially in water polo because the guys only wear speedos. Most varsity level boys are ripped. Then there's me, a pathetic emaciated weakling, officiating them
idk good luck bro but thanks for the confidence boost those measurements gave me