I like to read and currently upping my skills for a job, possibly something freelance or my own business within the year. I don't want to do it, but at least I have time to.
It's just sad in general. Like what the frick does it even mean, what do you do on rest days? The fricking same you do on lifting days except dont lift for that 1 hour out of 24 hours. And if you insist on living that my body is a temple lifestyle then do stretching/mobility work/maybe abs etc. on rest days. But really you should look to improve your life to a point that you can't decide which of these all kinds of possibilities Im going to do because I don't have to train today.
That last sentence is the main reason why people are so skeptical about HIT. Their life is so boring and useless they need that gym and constant overtraining to fill that gap. There are people at the gym who go there literally every day for years and their physique never changes. They just go there because they have nowhere else to go. It's fricking sad tbh
You can do that on HIT. In fact, 4 days of rest allows you to go twice a week for most weeks except every fourth week. It is possible for a person who is an extraordinary capacity to recover to go once every three days and still benefit from HIT.
>extraordinary capacity to recover
You mean eating a decent amount of carbs? lmao
Starting to think the mentz cultists just don't eat enough for an actual high intensity program.
the human body isnt made for lifting heavy weights 5 times a week, regardless of how much you eat
for millions of years our "exercise" was just hunting a big ass animal like thrice a month and walking plenty
there is a reason manual labour was always left to the lower class or straight up slaves, its terrible for you
people who had physical jobs reach 50 with lots of injuries and pain to the point it's become normalised
powerlifters will experience injuries constantly, same as bodybuilders
your body isnt designed for this shit
I take one day off of lifting a week and that's enough to see notable improvement, I think the rest stuff is not as severe as you seem to believe. But I also do a week off once every 4 or 5 weeks to resensitize, and although during that week I don't gain nearly as much as a week of working out consistently, I do see quick gains the following weeks after a break more than no breaks at all.
I think Mentzer was right about taking breaks, but was far too focused on it, and thought it worked for reasons different from reality.
I know I'm right because I've seen it. >uhm, dats anecdotal, uhm, source?
I dont need a "study" because I see it. You modern "intelectuals" and your need for muh peer reviewed papers are nothing but slaves.
I do weighted pull ups, dips and squats. Ever since I dropped down to 2 workouts a week my numbers and technique have improved.
Spamming volume like a moron isn't always the answer. More doesn't always mean better.
I take one day off of lifting a week and that's enough to see notable improvement, I think the rest stuff is not as severe as you seem to believe. But I also do a week off once every 4 or 5 weeks to resensitize, and although during that week I don't gain nearly as much as a week of working out consistently, I do see quick gains the following weeks after a break more than no breaks at all.
I think Mentzer was right about taking breaks, but was far too focused on it, and thought it worked for reasons different from reality.
>I implement what mentzer proposed >but mentzer was still le wrong
Kek, it's a wonder morons like you don't forget to breathe.
>More doesn't always mean better.
Hypertrophy has a pretty clear and well-studied dose-response relationship. Mentzer wasn't 100% correct about everything, but taking no breaks is also insane.
>Hypertrophy has a pretty clear and well-studied dose-response relationship.
Relationship with what? Did you forget to end the sentence with something? I don't think you know what you're talking about. >the sciency guy with the glasses said dose-response relationship and that guy sounded pretty smart so if I repeat that then people will think I'm smart.
You're a moron if you don't realize any decent training utilizes deload weeks, it's certainly not unique to HIT. Why are you so obsessed with some dead Black person
It's true, but IMO these deload weeks or days are obsolete and serve no purpose. Why would you waste time on light lifting, if you could just rest and do something more productive instead? Why should you lift 4 days a week and introduce easier trainings just to stay afloat if you could just lift like 2 times a week and have the same results?
Some people seem to be very desperate to have a reason to go to the gym.
8 months ago
Anonymous
People with a powerlifting fetish like those that use the term "deload" want to pretend they're stronk so they try to train like a powerlifter does perparing for a contest which they'll never enter instead of training in a sustainable manner.
8 months ago
Anonymous
> be shredded > have time to hangout with friends and do interesting shit > MUH HIT IS A FRAUD MUH VOLUME IS IMPORTANT. MENTZER WAS A DRUGGIE ROIDER. ARNILD FRICK MY BOYPUSSY
Not him, but hear me out: what if you took those days of the deload week and evenly dispersed them through the rest of the monthly schedule? No deload week, but more time between workouts. Same amount of rest in total, but better results since you're not intentionally putting yourself into an overtrained state.
>be depressed >force myself into the gym >do 1 set to failure >feels like my energy is gone and I can't bring myself to 2nd set >force myself to do 2nd set but I have to lower the weight after each set to continue failing at 8-12 reps >get angry at myself and don't return to the gym for another week
I hardly work out and I'm seeing insane results. Not like I'm shredded, but I went from skinny twink to actually having a muscular shape, friends/family congratulate me for results, crack jokes at how big my arms have gotten. It feels like I fail everytime I go to the gym (it doesn't feel like great like it did as a teen, feels like there's no mind-muscle connection) but I've been pushing through for the past 8 months.
Did I accidentally pull a Mentzer? Just dropset high intensity, lots of rest?
Mechanical tension is the primary growth mechanism of myofibrillar hypertrophy.
You're trying to recruit the maximum amount of muscle fiber for a sufficient time under tension. Once you have it there is no need to do more sets.
>time under tension
Based HOH, best youtube channel for bodybuilding. But I will mention, time under tension is mostly bullshit. Muscles don't really care much if you do the reps fast or slow, the biggest thing is going (near) to failure.
Do you even read? Thats why he said the primary driver is mechanical tension. But you can’t just pick a weight you could do 6x and do it 1x, hence doing it for enough volume/time to meet the threshold. He didn’t say do pussy weights super slow, fricking illiterate nitwit
That was a great video however didn't mention anything about the required time under tension. Do i have to figure it out by myself because of my own body or is there kind of an approximation or something for this? Is it just 0-3 reps till failure? What if i go overboard and do the exercise too slow and fatigue myself out faster than usual?
>I hardly work out and I'm seeing insane results. Not like I'm shredded, but I went from skinny twink to actually having a muscular shape,
when you're new to lifting, literally any stimulus will cause growth. anything will work. you can go to 10 reps shy of failure and still make gains because you are so deconditioned to training.
you didn't "pull a" anything, you just made newbie gains
It's your hormones that dictate how anabolic your body is if you're natty, and then your body will adapt to any stimuli to match environmental stresses (naturally lifestyle conditions). So if you go to failure you'll get gains because the body will register that as being inadequate to cope, therefore it's going to build bigger fibers when it recovers in anticipation of being stressed again, but you'll plateau since your limit is dictated by hormones that are set by gene expression. So you can get away with having poor workout discipline initially because you're bellow any reasonable stressor intensity in your day your day to day life, but you'll adapt when you apply the stress. However training to failure is damaging to your nervous system short term so it will moron your training session since the same nervous system will be engaged in working out other groups that you've exercise to failure. It's better to form the habit of doing the lifts correctly and work on your posture while not going to failure. Unless it's your last set for the day and your nervous system can recover before the next day (which it should if you get enough sleep). But enjoy your noob gains, they'll stop eventually.
You are moronic. Your workouts cause a spike in cortisol. Cortisol causes a drop in testosterone. Sleep clears away excess cortisol. If your focus is on your hormones, you want high intensity low frequency workouts.
Just realized my most productive workouts come after resting 3 days over the weekend. I usually go 7 days in between leg workouts when I'm really hammering them.
Do you think you could hit a max on squats after doing a full arm workout? Fatigue isn’t just local. Your whole body needs to rest. If you’re applying maximum intensity then you need to allot time for proper systemic recovery. That doesn’t necessarily mean wait a whole damn week or whatever but that’s the basic concept.
>Do you think you could hit a max on squats after doing a full arm workout?
Yes, after I catch my breath. Have done it before plenty of times when shit happened and I couldn't do my usual split.
>2 workouts a week, each taking less than 1 hour >one set per exercise to failure + myoreps or dropsets >supplementary sets for stubborn groups like forearms or calves done throughout the week, maybe some stretches or light exercises for your posture and such when you feel like it >cardio of your choice once or twice a week or juts lots of walking
IMO the healthiest and the most sustainable routine over time, it took me several years to reach this baseline, but I'm super content now and it's hard to frick it up
when you miss a workout once every few weeks you're basically making gains instead of deteriorating
>Or do I need to wait like 3 more days after I feel better?
I would wait. Recovering from a sickness takes more time because I believe it takes more to recover from an illness than a hard training session. if you train hard as soon as you feel not sick, you will stress your body too much. Source: I once trained soon after a cold and was weak on my lifts and felt like my cold symptoms came back.
After listening to Mikes specific voice, I started to read posts with his pic in his specific tape quality voice and intonation. And mentally add dear listener to every post. When someone posts Arnold I do the same with his voice and accent. These threads are hilarious now. When there are no pics its Platz voice
Liftan tomorrow bros. Looking forward to another near-full week of not lifting weights. Considering reading some Spengler this week, along with my normal studies.
I fricking took two weeks off and I easily obliterated my maxes and I look huge. I have veins in my shoulders. WTF, Mentzer schizzos were right.
Bros, I been having the constant need to flex my muscles like when you just wake up. I have never felt this. I'm flexing my limbs every 10 minutes because the release just feels too good. Again, I've never felt this... is it related to the recovery?
For me, it is the metabolism gains. I'm a fatty who struggled with staying below 15% for years. I'm glad my lifts are going up but fuuuuck wagmi finally
you'll most likely get underrecovered quite fast and start subconsciously half-assing your workouts
3x a week is quite a lot, 2x would be most likely fine
from some of his workout routines i wanna do 3x a week, chest and back, arms and shoulders and then legs. maybe monday, wednesday and sunday would be better for the recovery?
This. The people I know irl who follow Mentzer-style HIT are always beginners or complete DYELs. Never have I met anyone even remotely big say that you can’t do more than 1 set of curls a week without being overtrained
there were a couple of alright looking dudes in these threads and if someone were to look TOO good you'd just brush him off saying it's all roids and everything works for roiders
funny how people feel a need to defend an oppressive type of training (as in high volume taking a lot of time and focusing more on sending you to the gym often rather than on recovering) by shitting on a more relaxed OCD-free one. kek
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Really you want to assess systemic recovery between sessions. Use things like Grip Strength test and CO2 Tolerance test to measure your own personal systemic recovery rate and see if you are truly recovered for the next workout.
The final redpill is to do away with the "xday=workout". Stop thinking in 7 days. It's completey acceptable and often optimal to work on a 4 day, 5 day, 8 day schedule etc.
e.g. Monday, Rest, Rest, Thursday, Rest, Rest, Sunday, Rest, Rest, Wednesday and so forth.
i see, but i should still follow the workout routine if im feeling recovered to the next one right? If i do workout 1 on monday,rest, then workout 2 on X, rest and workout 3 on X, then maybe even 3 rest days then i would do workout 1 next? Not sure if you understand from the message but think thats just my OCD a bit i guess. Is there even any positive effect for gains if i just switch the muscle group workout days for different ones?
But yeah i think ill try what you said, infrequent training with good enough rest inbetween and good quality workouts
>If i do workout 1 on monday,rest, then workout 2 on X, rest and workout 3 on X, then maybe even 3 rest days then i would do workout 1 next?
If you're on a three day split then yes Personally I am on a 3 day split and I just rest until my metrics indicate full systemic recovery, which usually takes 4-7 days. After Workout 3 I take 4-7 days or however long I need and start again on Workout 1.
>Is there even any positive effect for gains if i just switch the muscle group workout days for different ones?
I don't understand, do you mean swap days around randomly? Like skip arms and do legs? If so I can't imagine any benefit to not being consistent. If you're changing a day that would usually target X muscle group to target Y instead, then X will inevitably end up undertrained. Add extra rest days in if and when you need them, but don't just skip a day and go straight to the next one in the split instead, that makes no sense.
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>4-7 rest days
damn kinda weird to imagine that now as i never did that before, are you that sore for like 4 days or just you making sure you are fully energized and rested?
8 months ago
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Both. I train alone so I heavily exploit isometrics and eccentrics after reaching concentric failure and it's not unusual for me to be sore for most of the week, but when I train again is mostly based on systemic recovery metrics
>It is always a mistake to train two days in a row
I train an upper lower split every day of the week, only occasionally take one day off, and I'm seeing pretty decent gains.
Are you eating enough carbs?
Ive been doing 2 full body street workouts a week. 3 exercises for back 3 for chest 2 for shoulders 2 for biceps + abs.
I really focus on intensity, and the eccentric.
The rest of the week i rest/party
I suddenly have 4x more free time, i look okay and my gains are continuing.
Im not saying its better than a traditional bro split, im saying its fricking time efficient
Oops haha got me
Honestly my legs overrespond, so biking to work and dancing all night on the weekends is enough to keep em toned for me
Theres some cum on my sock sorry couldnt be bothered to take it off rn haha
Not necessarily. I generally only do that much after the end of a 6-12 week training cycle. Ask yourself, how is your rest? Are you able to sleep and train again consistently? Because if not I'd keep on resting, go to the beach or something instead.
I'm the anon that is feeling the physical need to stretch and flex because it feels nice to relax. I think it has to do with my body building muscle. I never felt this.
Well then there's your answer, take more time to recover.
"Less exercises per workout" can't be answered because we don't know how many you're doing. Are you doing eight? Ten? Training for two hours? In which case yes absolutely lessen the exercises. Are you doing 2-3? Then of course not.
"More intensity" obviously isn't going to fix the problem of exceeding your recovery capability, and it shouldn't even be a question anyway as the goal is maximal intensity. Start with the highest intensity as your baseline and then adjust the variables incrementally.
8 months ago
Anonymous
less exercises per workout = 4->3 (likely by rotating 2 of 'em)
less intensity = going from 1 set to concentric failure + 4 rest pause mini sets to 3 rest pause sets instead
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry man I'm muiltitasking and I confused myself between posts lol and forgot you actually asked if less intensity was an option not more, disregard my previous moronic post.
Keep the exercise total the same unless you feel like your later exercises are suffering during the workout themselves
Keep intensity if that method works for you within a set, I personally do statics and negatives because no training partner for the assisted reps.
Add rest days if you're simply not feeling recovered between workouts or are not getting stronger/even getting weaker between workouts.
If in plateau, do one of the following: increase intensity (capped at 100%), reduce working sets per session by 1, or increase rest days by 1.
There you go. That's the super-secret HIT formula. Literally the entirety of HIT has now been summarized into one paragraph. Godspeed, anon.
The reason mentzer method works in 2023 is because his low volume low frequency approach allows the natty to actually recover from all those brutal workouts his fake natty idols told him to do. Then what happens after he eats some food aswell he refills his glycogen stores and actually looks bigger. That's why most guy here who try this feel they re-invented the wheel or they were spinning their wheels before that.
>t. mentzergay who got huge but its basic math after all
So a scheduling problem have arise and I will not be lifting until Monday again. I did legs on wed so that’s 6 days rest.
I’m coming from a 6day split and it’s been a month now that I’m doing heavy duty and I find it hard not going to the gym.
What do you guys even do on rest days?
I like to read and currently upping my skills for a job, possibly something freelance or my own business within the year. I don't want to do it, but at least I have time to.
I read Ayn Rand novels.
>I read Ayn Rand novels.
Do you also do gay for pay like Mike did?
for pay?
You guys are getting paid?
I wish I was getting paid.
My gains are my pay
>What do you guys even do on rest days?
It's so sad when people ask this unironically. Get a hobby
It's just sad in general. Like what the frick does it even mean, what do you do on rest days? The fricking same you do on lifting days except dont lift for that 1 hour out of 24 hours. And if you insist on living that my body is a temple lifestyle then do stretching/mobility work/maybe abs etc. on rest days. But really you should look to improve your life to a point that you can't decide which of these all kinds of possibilities Im going to do because I don't have to train today.
That last sentence is the main reason why people are so skeptical about HIT. Their life is so boring and useless they need that gym and constant overtraining to fill that gap. There are people at the gym who go there literally every day for years and their physique never changes. They just go there because they have nowhere else to go. It's fricking sad tbh
play tennis. i love it so much it has taken priority. also coincidentally met a girl that also likes tennis haha
I do 3 days of rest and it's the most optimal for me so far.
Bullshit
I like the idea of HIT but I want to go to the gym more than once a week
You can do that on HIT. In fact, 4 days of rest allows you to go twice a week for most weeks except every fourth week. It is possible for a person who is an extraordinary capacity to recover to go once every three days and still benefit from HIT.
>extraordinary capacity to recover
You mean eating a decent amount of carbs? lmao
Starting to think the mentz cultists just don't eat enough for an actual high intensity program.
the human body isnt made for lifting heavy weights 5 times a week, regardless of how much you eat
for millions of years our "exercise" was just hunting a big ass animal like thrice a month and walking plenty
there is a reason manual labour was always left to the lower class or straight up slaves, its terrible for you
people who had physical jobs reach 50 with lots of injuries and pain to the point it's become normalised
powerlifters will experience injuries constantly, same as bodybuilders
your body isnt designed for this shit
I take one day off of lifting a week and that's enough to see notable improvement, I think the rest stuff is not as severe as you seem to believe. But I also do a week off once every 4 or 5 weeks to resensitize, and although during that week I don't gain nearly as much as a week of working out consistently, I do see quick gains the following weeks after a break more than no breaks at all.
I think Mentzer was right about taking breaks, but was far too focused on it, and thought it worked for reasons different from reality.
Nice musings, much anecdotal. So you think you're right, because it's how you feel lol
I know I'm right because I've seen it.
>uhm, dats anecdotal, uhm, source?
I dont need a "study" because I see it. You modern "intelectuals" and your need for muh peer reviewed papers are nothing but slaves.
I do weighted pull ups, dips and squats. Ever since I dropped down to 2 workouts a week my numbers and technique have improved.
Spamming volume like a moron isn't always the answer. More doesn't always mean better.
>I implement what mentzer proposed
>but mentzer was still le wrong
Kek, it's a wonder morons like you don't forget to breathe.
>More doesn't always mean better.
Hypertrophy has a pretty clear and well-studied dose-response relationship. Mentzer wasn't 100% correct about everything, but taking no breaks is also insane.
>well-stidoed dose-response relationship
Scoyence based lifters are perma dyels.
>Hypertrophy has a pretty clear and well-studied dose-response relationship.
Relationship with what? Did you forget to end the sentence with something? I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>the sciency guy with the glasses said dose-response relationship and that guy sounded pretty smart so if I repeat that then people will think I'm smart.
You're a moron if you don't realize any decent training utilizes deload weeks, it's certainly not unique to HIT. Why are you so obsessed with some dead Black person
It's true, but IMO these deload weeks or days are obsolete and serve no purpose. Why would you waste time on light lifting, if you could just rest and do something more productive instead? Why should you lift 4 days a week and introduce easier trainings just to stay afloat if you could just lift like 2 times a week and have the same results?
Some people seem to be very desperate to have a reason to go to the gym.
People with a powerlifting fetish like those that use the term "deload" want to pretend they're stronk so they try to train like a powerlifter does perparing for a contest which they'll never enter instead of training in a sustainable manner.
> be shredded
> have time to hangout with friends and do interesting shit
> MUH HIT IS A FRAUD MUH VOLUME IS IMPORTANT. MENTZER WAS A DRUGGIE ROIDER. ARNILD FRICK MY BOYPUSSY
Not him, but hear me out: what if you took those days of the deload week and evenly dispersed them through the rest of the monthly schedule? No deload week, but more time between workouts. Same amount of rest in total, but better results since you're not intentionally putting yourself into an overtrained state.
Do a 14 day bro split, one exercise per day. There ya go.
Literally just hit a different muscle group as hard as possible every day.
Try it out and see if it improves your gains.
If it doesn't, then drop it.
If it does, then stick to it.
Simple as.
>be depressed
>force myself into the gym
>do 1 set to failure
>feels like my energy is gone and I can't bring myself to 2nd set
>force myself to do 2nd set but I have to lower the weight after each set to continue failing at 8-12 reps
>get angry at myself and don't return to the gym for another week
I hardly work out and I'm seeing insane results. Not like I'm shredded, but I went from skinny twink to actually having a muscular shape, friends/family congratulate me for results, crack jokes at how big my arms have gotten. It feels like I fail everytime I go to the gym (it doesn't feel like great like it did as a teen, feels like there's no mind-muscle connection) but I've been pushing through for the past 8 months.
Did I accidentally pull a Mentzer? Just dropset high intensity, lots of rest?
Mechanical tension is the primary growth mechanism of myofibrillar hypertrophy.
You're trying to recruit the maximum amount of muscle fiber for a sufficient time under tension. Once you have it there is no need to do more sets.
>time under tension
Based HOH, best youtube channel for bodybuilding. But I will mention, time under tension is mostly bullshit. Muscles don't really care much if you do the reps fast or slow, the biggest thing is going (near) to failure.
Do you even read? Thats why he said the primary driver is mechanical tension. But you can’t just pick a weight you could do 6x and do it 1x, hence doing it for enough volume/time to meet the threshold. He didn’t say do pussy weights super slow, fricking illiterate nitwit
That was a great video however didn't mention anything about the required time under tension. Do i have to figure it out by myself because of my own body or is there kind of an approximation or something for this? Is it just 0-3 reps till failure? What if i go overboard and do the exercise too slow and fatigue myself out faster than usual?
>Is it just 0-3 reps till failure?
I do whatever it takes to go to failure. 3-5 usually. I don't care about number of reps.
>I hardly work out and I'm seeing insane results. Not like I'm shredded, but I went from skinny twink to actually having a muscular shape,
when you're new to lifting, literally any stimulus will cause growth. anything will work. you can go to 10 reps shy of failure and still make gains because you are so deconditioned to training.
you didn't "pull a" anything, you just made newbie gains
It's your hormones that dictate how anabolic your body is if you're natty, and then your body will adapt to any stimuli to match environmental stresses (naturally lifestyle conditions). So if you go to failure you'll get gains because the body will register that as being inadequate to cope, therefore it's going to build bigger fibers when it recovers in anticipation of being stressed again, but you'll plateau since your limit is dictated by hormones that are set by gene expression. So you can get away with having poor workout discipline initially because you're bellow any reasonable stressor intensity in your day your day to day life, but you'll adapt when you apply the stress. However training to failure is damaging to your nervous system short term so it will moron your training session since the same nervous system will be engaged in working out other groups that you've exercise to failure. It's better to form the habit of doing the lifts correctly and work on your posture while not going to failure. Unless it's your last set for the day and your nervous system can recover before the next day (which it should if you get enough sleep). But enjoy your noob gains, they'll stop eventually.
You are moronic. Your workouts cause a spike in cortisol. Cortisol causes a drop in testosterone. Sleep clears away excess cortisol. If your focus is on your hormones, you want high intensity low frequency workouts.
Just realized my most productive workouts come after resting 3 days over the weekend. I usually go 7 days in between leg workouts when I'm really hammering them.
I lift 6 to 7 days a week and just do 1 to 3 hard sets of 1 - 3 reps. I'll do a quick back off set to get a pump and that's it.
You should take 2 days off
Is this per muscle group? Or if I do chest, will I have to wait 4 days to then do legs? Makes no sense.
Do you think you could hit a max on squats after doing a full arm workout? Fatigue isn’t just local. Your whole body needs to rest. If you’re applying maximum intensity then you need to allot time for proper systemic recovery. That doesn’t necessarily mean wait a whole damn week or whatever but that’s the basic concept.
>Do you think you could hit a max on squats after doing a full arm workout?
Yes, after I catch my breath. Have done it before plenty of times when shit happened and I couldn't do my usual split.
>2 workouts a week, each taking less than 1 hour
>one set per exercise to failure + myoreps or dropsets
>supplementary sets for stubborn groups like forearms or calves done throughout the week, maybe some stretches or light exercises for your posture and such when you feel like it
>cardio of your choice once or twice a week or juts lots of walking
IMO the healthiest and the most sustainable routine over time, it took me several years to reach this baseline, but I'm super content now and it's hard to frick it up
when you miss a workout once every few weeks you're basically making gains instead of deteriorating
Been sick for a week I guess this counts as a rest? Or do I need to wait like 3 more days after I feel better?
>Or do I need to wait like 3 more days after I feel better?
I would wait. Recovering from a sickness takes more time because I believe it takes more to recover from an illness than a hard training session. if you train hard as soon as you feel not sick, you will stress your body too much. Source: I once trained soon after a cold and was weak on my lifts and felt like my cold symptoms came back.
Eat your onions an margarine
And not one body was posted
Neither was yours wienersucker so I wouldn't be talking
After listening to Mikes specific voice, I started to read posts with his pic in his specific tape quality voice and intonation. And mentally add dear listener to every post. When someone posts Arnold I do the same with his voice and accent. These threads are hilarious now. When there are no pics its Platz voice
I do that with people I know IRL's text messages.
Liftan tomorrow bros. Looking forward to another near-full week of not lifting weights. Considering reading some Spengler this week, along with my normal studies.
Is this the lazy general?
I fricking took two weeks off and I easily obliterated my maxes and I look huge. I have veins in my shoulders. WTF, Mentzer schizzos were right.
Bros, I been having the constant need to flex my muscles like when you just wake up. I have never felt this. I'm flexing my limbs every 10 minutes because the release just feels too good. Again, I've never felt this... is it related to the recovery?
grats, you are now fully recovered
So my need to flex and stretch my muscles is sign that my body recovered
in my anecdotal experience, yes. WAGMI
Thanks, bruder
For me, it is the metabolism gains. I'm a fatty who struggled with staying below 15% for years. I'm glad my lifts are going up but fuuuuck wagmi finally
47 days rest. Got it.
Instead of adding mroe rest days I'm going to instead reduce the intensity. What do you think of that, ha!
Because of work I only really go Monday , Tuesday and maybe Thursday. I’m seeing major results now. I just feel better and more toned.
Bros, today is my lifting day. Pray for me
so why did Mike train so inferquently? what if ido HIT but 3x a week on the same days every week?
you'll most likely get underrecovered quite fast and start subconsciously half-assing your workouts
3x a week is quite a lot, 2x would be most likely fine
from some of his workout routines i wanna do 3x a week, chest and back, arms and shoulders and then legs. maybe monday, wednesday and sunday would be better for the recovery?
What makes you wanna do them thrice a week?
i think this split is good, idk if i wanna merge the split workouts into two full body
the "Ive been training for 3 months and watched a lot of youtube videos" general
This. The people I know irl who follow Mentzer-style HIT are always beginners or complete DYELs. Never have I met anyone even remotely big say that you can’t do more than 1 set of curls a week without being overtrained
And you es 1k grams of carbs a day and healthy Sneed ouls
there were a couple of alright looking dudes in these threads and if someone were to look TOO good you'd just brush him off saying it's all roids and everything works for roiders
funny how people feel a need to defend an oppressive type of training (as in high volume taking a lot of time and focusing more on sending you to the gym often rather than on recovering) by shitting on a more relaxed OCD-free one. kek
I train from Mondays to Fridays.
not listening to a roidtroony
Not all roiders are the same though. Some give really terrible advice to natties.
so how often you homies do HIT routine then? Thinking I'll do monday (chest,back), thursday (arms,shoulder) and then saturday or sunday legs
Full body every two weeks
that sounds like a meme
It is always a mistake to train two days in a row
then monday,thursday,saturday. Depending how sore ill be from the workouts i might change it up
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Really you want to assess systemic recovery between sessions. Use things like Grip Strength test and CO2 Tolerance test to measure your own personal systemic recovery rate and see if you are truly recovered for the next workout.
The final redpill is to do away with the "xday=workout". Stop thinking in 7 days. It's completey acceptable and often optimal to work on a 4 day, 5 day, 8 day schedule etc.
e.g. Monday, Rest, Rest, Thursday, Rest, Rest, Sunday, Rest, Rest, Wednesday and so forth.
i see, but i should still follow the workout routine if im feeling recovered to the next one right? If i do workout 1 on monday,rest, then workout 2 on X, rest and workout 3 on X, then maybe even 3 rest days then i would do workout 1 next? Not sure if you understand from the message but think thats just my OCD a bit i guess. Is there even any positive effect for gains if i just switch the muscle group workout days for different ones?
But yeah i think ill try what you said, infrequent training with good enough rest inbetween and good quality workouts
>If i do workout 1 on monday,rest, then workout 2 on X, rest and workout 3 on X, then maybe even 3 rest days then i would do workout 1 next?
If you're on a three day split then yes Personally I am on a 3 day split and I just rest until my metrics indicate full systemic recovery, which usually takes 4-7 days. After Workout 3 I take 4-7 days or however long I need and start again on Workout 1.
>Is there even any positive effect for gains if i just switch the muscle group workout days for different ones?
I don't understand, do you mean swap days around randomly? Like skip arms and do legs? If so I can't imagine any benefit to not being consistent. If you're changing a day that would usually target X muscle group to target Y instead, then X will inevitably end up undertrained. Add extra rest days in if and when you need them, but don't just skip a day and go straight to the next one in the split instead, that makes no sense.
>4-7 rest days
damn kinda weird to imagine that now as i never did that before, are you that sore for like 4 days or just you making sure you are fully energized and rested?
Both. I train alone so I heavily exploit isometrics and eccentrics after reaching concentric failure and it's not unusual for me to be sore for most of the week, but when I train again is mostly based on systemic recovery metrics
>It is always a mistake to train two days in a row
I train an upper lower split every day of the week, only occasionally take one day off, and I'm seeing pretty decent gains.
Are you eating enough carbs?
Can some autist figure out the date/year this pic was taken based on the newspaper headlines?
DYEL the thread
Ive been doing 2 full body street workouts a week. 3 exercises for back 3 for chest 2 for shoulders 2 for biceps + abs.
I really focus on intensity, and the eccentric.
The rest of the week i rest/party
I suddenly have 4x more free time, i look okay and my gains are continuing.
Im not saying its better than a traditional bro split, im saying its fricking time efficient
>full body
>no legs
Oops haha got me
Honestly my legs overrespond, so biking to work and dancing all night on the weekends is enough to keep em toned for me
Theres some cum on my sock sorry couldnt be bothered to take it off rn haha
the cum sock fit..
>listening to someone who was juicing around the clock
so did the people who came up with volume routines
Bros, I have low blood pressure and I'm always tired. Please, what I can do?
Wow so if I don’t workout my muscles will magically grow?
Yes
lolllll this homie thinks that muscles grow during a workout loooooooool
this frickin homie thinks workout is a verb lmaaaooooooooooooo
this is a homosexual who will never pist body because he is dyel
It's not magic. It's science and also meth; a bit of meth never hurt nobody.
Is a 3 weeks rest period too much?
Not necessarily. I generally only do that much after the end of a 6-12 week training cycle. Ask yourself, how is your rest? Are you able to sleep and train again consistently? Because if not I'd keep on resting, go to the beach or something instead.
I'm the anon that is feeling the physical need to stretch and flex because it feels nice to relax. I think it has to do with my body building muscle. I never felt this.
His routine is starting to convince me...
Welcome to the light
Less exercises per workout, less intensity, or +1 rest day between workouts?
Less exercises per workout, more intensity, and +1 rest day between workouts
>changing multiple variables at the same time
ngmi
>considering low intensity low volume
was never gonna make it
My current routine is exceeding my recovery ability I need to tweak one variable to adjust
Well then there's your answer, take more time to recover.
"Less exercises per workout" can't be answered because we don't know how many you're doing. Are you doing eight? Ten? Training for two hours? In which case yes absolutely lessen the exercises. Are you doing 2-3? Then of course not.
"More intensity" obviously isn't going to fix the problem of exceeding your recovery capability, and it shouldn't even be a question anyway as the goal is maximal intensity. Start with the highest intensity as your baseline and then adjust the variables incrementally.
less exercises per workout = 4->3 (likely by rotating 2 of 'em)
less intensity = going from 1 set to concentric failure + 4 rest pause mini sets to 3 rest pause sets instead
Sorry man I'm muiltitasking and I confused myself between posts lol and forgot you actually asked if less intensity was an option not more, disregard my previous moronic post.
Keep the exercise total the same unless you feel like your later exercises are suffering during the workout themselves
Keep intensity if that method works for you within a set, I personally do statics and negatives because no training partner for the assisted reps.
Add rest days if you're simply not feeling recovered between workouts or are not getting stronger/even getting weaker between workouts.
If in plateau, do one of the following: increase intensity (capped at 100%), reduce working sets per session by 1, or increase rest days by 1.
There you go. That's the super-secret HIT formula. Literally the entirety of HIT has now been summarized into one paragraph. Godspeed, anon.
The reason mentzer method works in 2023 is because his low volume low frequency approach allows the natty to actually recover from all those brutal workouts his fake natty idols told him to do. Then what happens after he eats some food aswell he refills his glycogen stores and actually looks bigger. That's why most guy here who try this feel they re-invented the wheel or they were spinning their wheels before that.
>t. mentzergay who got huge but its basic math after all
do i have to do meth too or is that optional
you can do adderall or vyvanse if you can't get meth
Just got off my 1460 day rest. Never felt better.
wow. are you counting minutes or hours to your next workout?