nta but if you take any exogenous hormones your body will diminish or even stop it's production of it. This can take fricking months or even years to recover from, if you recover at all, depending on the extent of your supplement abuse.
If you want to know the effects of HGH in particular, look up what it does to the body then imagine those things slowing down or halting/reversing completely. That is what happens when you stop taking HGH after an abusive intake period. Same goes for test or any other hormone. You don't just regress to baseline, you dip significantly below it. What goes up must come down and all that
Also nta but if messing with HGH levels is so bad for your brain, wouldn't Lionel Messi be moronic for having been prescribed it as a kid? Wouldn't everyone with dwarfism be moronic because they don't have enough of it?
If your HGH levels are already messed up and you supplement it to normal levels because your body isn't making enough of it that is not the same as taking yourself to superhuman levels causing your body to shut down endogenous production. It's just not the same problem.
>Wouldn't everyone with dwarfism be moronic
Aren't they?
I don't know anything about dwarves other than they look hilarious and hate elves, but I'd be very surprised to learn that it is caused entirely by a lack of HGH. Even if they have low levels I doubt they have nearly as low levels as someone who has shut down their own endogenous hormone system through exogenous abuse.
6 months ago
Anonymous
GH deficiency is responsible for most cases of dwarfism, and dwarfism doesn't affect a person's intelligence. Also Messi took it for 4 years and then he stopped entirely. He was already naturally deficient and whatever tiny amount of endogenous production he had would've been shut down after coming off 4 years of HGH use, and yet he was not mindfricked.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Cool. I wasn't the guy who used the phrase "mindfricked" which is why I clarified as nta, and intelligence has never been mentioned before you brought it up. Low HGH however is a one way train to alzheimersville so I'd count that as "mindfricked" if you want to stick to that phrase. HGH is essential to body and tissue repair so if you nuke your ability to produce it then it's GG. Look up what HGH does for the body then imagine a body without any of those things.
>He was already naturally deficient and whatever tiny amount of endogenous production he had would've been shut down after coming off 4 years of HGH use
How can you state that without knowing what his levels were or how much he supplemented? I never said any amount of HGH use will shut down HGH production, in the same way that supplementing test if you are low test doesn't shut down test production.
You're taking things I said and making wild inferences from them so I'm not going to respond any more. Black person thinks I mean if you do a dose you'll be fricked for life.
I initially said >will diminish or even stop it's production
obviously in referrence to bodybuilder levels of HGH as that is what is relevant to the thread but I'll clarify because you're clearly confused:
If you take any hormone in quantities that take you above baseline for long enough your body will slow it's production relative to the dose and potentially cease endogenous production completely if the dose is intense and frequent enough. End of discussion, I'm going to bed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>We were having a reasonable conversation until you had to go and prove me wrong, I'm leaving now.
some people are just voice fricked, I am 185 cm tall and 15 body fat, weighing circa 90 kilograms, and my voice sounds like fricking Mickey Mouse if I don't make the conscious attempt to try and deepen a little.
he is one of the guys that inspired me about the importance of programming. and im not talking science based lifting or finding the perfect angle for some meme movement. I'm talking about not training legs, lower back etc. It doesnt make sense to give equal focus to every muscle group if you are not trying to be a bodybuilder.
I'm building my own physique. My own ideal of perfection. I don't want big legs and big waist. I dont want big chest. I want small athletic legs, 28 inch waist, MASSIVE v taper, moronicLY big arms and shoulders. And again it all makes sense, your arms and shoulders will look proportionally much bigger if you have a smaller chest. Rich Piana talked about this a lot but I never took it to heart. Now I know.
Im not gonna spend 2 full days training legs every week like what the frick. I wouldnt want to look like a fridge even if you paid me. It's literally going backwards. I'll squat once a week and that's it. Maybe I'll throw in one or two more exercises like leg curl/leg extension but you are looking at most 2-3 leg exercises PER WEEK.
He's the only soience-based influencer to openly admit in a video that it's all bullshit and doing a few sets to failure once per week on machines would get 95% of the gains of a 6 day, 2 hours per day, excel sheet program and $300/month online coach.
For that, I'll say he's not so bad.
link to the vid? I'm genuinely interested, I've seen some YTers admitting that volume is largely a waste of time, but I'd never except that coming from him
First link is his standard video format. He does cope a little in this video but he cites a study done on experienced lifters that found no difference between 3, 6, and 12 sets per week.
This second link is from a long format podcast he did about a month later where he outright admits that the amount of extra gains you get from doing higher volume (12-15 sets per week vs 1-5) or higher frequency (2+ days per week vs 1) is in the single-digit percentages, and the difference becomes less and less the more advanced you are.
He says something to the tune of "in the scope of training for many years 'optimal training' might allow you to reach your peak a month or two sooner than minimal training"
>I don't want big legs and big waist. I dont want big chest. I want small athletic legs, 28 inch waist, MASSIVE v taper, moronicLY big arms and shoulders.
Arnold or gorilla mode, basically what ive been going for since the beginning
It must be such a pathetic life being a 4'9 bodybuilder
You have to be careful not to take a picture of yourself next do doorknobs, beds, doors, people in general so you won't look absolutely pathetic and subhuman
The only way you can look good is through photos and manipulating angles so you don't look like a literal midget
It’s not hard to look jacked when you’re 5’5”.
Think about it, if a guy who is 6’5” gains 5 pounds of muscle, you can barely even tell, it’s a small percentage of his total weight. But if a 5’5” guy gains 5 pounds of muscle you can clearly see it, it’s a much larger percentage of his total weight.
That’s why I don’t find it surprising anymore that all of the most buff looking dudes on the internet are always very short.
>It’s not hard to look jacked when you’re 5’5”
bullshit, manlets have the same difficulties as lanklets to put on size
im 5'6 and still look DYEL, unless youre roiding youll never be big, even as a manlet
I have a guy who looks like him in my gym, 5'5 tops, he always works out at the same time as me. He's balding too which must suck for him.
I want to rub his head for good luck but I haven't worked up the courage yet
>5’5
Lifting will be of no benefit to his life. It wont make women like him, it wont help defend himself because most tall fat guys can just drag him around like a toddler throwing a hissy fit, he can pick up a heavy rock maybe. He doesn’t even look good, like a walking nugget kek
>Lifting will be of no benefit to his life
It literally made him a multimillionaire. If anything, being so short is a cheat code for putting up impressive numbers and looking absolutely massive in his videos, even if he does have to be careful to not have someone else in the shot that would make him look like a child.
your 1RM
when your HGH starts wearing off, you will be mindfricked chemically and turn into a full blown troony, just wait and see
how long does it take HGH to wear off? And how does hgh "mindfrick" the brain?
Be specific
nta but if you take any exogenous hormones your body will diminish or even stop it's production of it. This can take fricking months or even years to recover from, if you recover at all, depending on the extent of your supplement abuse.
If you want to know the effects of HGH in particular, look up what it does to the body then imagine those things slowing down or halting/reversing completely. That is what happens when you stop taking HGH after an abusive intake period. Same goes for test or any other hormone. You don't just regress to baseline, you dip significantly below it. What goes up must come down and all that
Also nta but if messing with HGH levels is so bad for your brain, wouldn't Lionel Messi be moronic for having been prescribed it as a kid? Wouldn't everyone with dwarfism be moronic because they don't have enough of it?
If your HGH levels are already messed up and you supplement it to normal levels because your body isn't making enough of it that is not the same as taking yourself to superhuman levels causing your body to shut down endogenous production. It's just not the same problem.
>Wouldn't everyone with dwarfism be moronic
Aren't they?
I don't know anything about dwarves other than they look hilarious and hate elves, but I'd be very surprised to learn that it is caused entirely by a lack of HGH. Even if they have low levels I doubt they have nearly as low levels as someone who has shut down their own endogenous hormone system through exogenous abuse.
GH deficiency is responsible for most cases of dwarfism, and dwarfism doesn't affect a person's intelligence. Also Messi took it for 4 years and then he stopped entirely. He was already naturally deficient and whatever tiny amount of endogenous production he had would've been shut down after coming off 4 years of HGH use, and yet he was not mindfricked.
Cool. I wasn't the guy who used the phrase "mindfricked" which is why I clarified as nta, and intelligence has never been mentioned before you brought it up. Low HGH however is a one way train to alzheimersville so I'd count that as "mindfricked" if you want to stick to that phrase. HGH is essential to body and tissue repair so if you nuke your ability to produce it then it's GG. Look up what HGH does for the body then imagine a body without any of those things.
>He was already naturally deficient and whatever tiny amount of endogenous production he had would've been shut down after coming off 4 years of HGH use
How can you state that without knowing what his levels were or how much he supplemented? I never said any amount of HGH use will shut down HGH production, in the same way that supplementing test if you are low test doesn't shut down test production.
You're taking things I said and making wild inferences from them so I'm not going to respond any more. Black person thinks I mean if you do a dose you'll be fricked for life.
I initially said
>will diminish or even stop it's production
obviously in referrence to bodybuilder levels of HGH as that is what is relevant to the thread but I'll clarify because you're clearly confused:
If you take any hormone in quantities that take you above baseline for long enough your body will slow it's production relative to the dose and potentially cease endogenous production completely if the dose is intense and frequent enough. End of discussion, I'm going to bed.
>We were having a reasonable conversation until you had to go and prove me wrong, I'm leaving now.
don't listen to him anon, he has never done HGH and he's clearly moronic anyways
Shut the frick up, b***h Black person homosexual
*you're 1rm
The only people I know who care about one rep are fat trt powershitters
>the only people i know
can tell you didn't play sports kek also checked and HH
Not cool Jeff!
>he is bigger than I he must be on juice
Literally the definition of this gay ass DYEL board.
you heard his voice ever? the guy doesn't have working balls, his muscles aren't natural bro
some people are just voice fricked, I am 185 cm tall and 15 body fat, weighing circa 90 kilograms, and my voice sounds like fricking Mickey Mouse if I don't make the conscious attempt to try and deepen a little.
Get off the juice
ho ho. hot-dog! hoho
Do you realize how small 5ft4 is? He ain’t bigger than anyone besides Indians
>hey bro, if you're a short guy wear a beanie! It adds an inch or two of height!
He's Gnomemaxxing, it's like the male equivalent of fat girls who make being "thicc" their whole gimmick
You must be envious.
eceleb thread have a nice day
he is one of the guys that inspired me about the importance of programming. and im not talking science based lifting or finding the perfect angle for some meme movement. I'm talking about not training legs, lower back etc. It doesnt make sense to give equal focus to every muscle group if you are not trying to be a bodybuilder.
I'm building my own physique. My own ideal of perfection. I don't want big legs and big waist. I dont want big chest. I want small athletic legs, 28 inch waist, MASSIVE v taper, moronicLY big arms and shoulders. And again it all makes sense, your arms and shoulders will look proportionally much bigger if you have a smaller chest. Rich Piana talked about this a lot but I never took it to heart. Now I know.
Im not gonna spend 2 full days training legs every week like what the frick. I wouldnt want to look like a fridge even if you paid me. It's literally going backwards. I'll squat once a week and that's it. Maybe I'll throw in one or two more exercises like leg curl/leg extension but you are looking at most 2-3 leg exercises PER WEEK.
forgot pic
I swear to god his shoulders are getting closer and closer to the bed railing, is it some kind of the fitness mafia psyop
He can't keep getting away with it
my dream body, cant wait for tall skinny women to try and big spoon my massive frame
Massive frame? I swear to god nobody understands height and proportions
there is absolutely no way he is 5ft 5, looks about 5ft 2 in this pic
Nice goblincore body
There’s no way this guy is 5ft5. My father is like 5ft5 and looks taller. This guy looks like an actual midget
>What is men's physique
I'm sorry anon, but you're not special
and most likely a fricking dyel anyway
He's the only soience-based influencer to openly admit in a video that it's all bullshit and doing a few sets to failure once per week on machines would get 95% of the gains of a 6 day, 2 hours per day, excel sheet program and $300/month online coach.
For that, I'll say he's not so bad.
link to the vid? I'm genuinely interested, I've seen some YTers admitting that volume is largely a waste of time, but I'd never except that coming from him
First link is his standard video format. He does cope a little in this video but he cites a study done on experienced lifters that found no difference between 3, 6, and 12 sets per week.
This second link is from a long format podcast he did about a month later where he outright admits that the amount of extra gains you get from doing higher volume (12-15 sets per week vs 1-5) or higher frequency (2+ days per week vs 1) is in the single-digit percentages, and the difference becomes less and less the more advanced you are.
He says something to the tune of "in the scope of training for many years 'optimal training' might allow you to reach your peak a month or two sooner than minimal training"
not the guy you're replying to but it's something about minimalist training
>I don't want big legs and big waist. I dont want big chest. I want small athletic legs, 28 inch waist, MASSIVE v taper, moronicLY big arms and shoulders.
Arnold or gorilla mode, basically what ive been going for since the beginning
>nature completely fricked him by making him a 5'5 manlet
>is supposed to suck nature's dick
It must be such a pathetic life being a 4'9 bodybuilder
You have to be careful not to take a picture of yourself next do doorknobs, beds, doors, people in general so you won't look absolutely pathetic and subhuman
The only way you can look good is through photos and manipulating angles so you don't look like a literal midget
What a sad life, not my problem though
>not my problem though
>writes a 68 words essay
Just shut the frick up, DYEL.
does it even matter if he's on roids or not? he's 5'5, it doesn't count, it's like big breasts on a fat b***h
>Is there anything more pathetic
Being a nattard
he's autistic enough for me to believe the natty claims
his advice is good but i dont buy all these "natty" canadians
He’s not even 5’5” he’s like 5’2”
It’s not hard to look jacked when you’re 5’5”.
Think about it, if a guy who is 6’5” gains 5 pounds of muscle, you can barely even tell, it’s a small percentage of his total weight. But if a 5’5” guy gains 5 pounds of muscle you can clearly see it, it’s a much larger percentage of his total weight.
That’s why I don’t find it surprising anymore that all of the most buff looking dudes on the internet are always very short.
>It’s not hard to look jacked when you’re 5’5”
bullshit, manlets have the same difficulties as lanklets to put on size
im 5'6 and still look DYEL, unless youre roiding youll never be big, even as a manlet
go to bed blaha
nobody cares, keep coping
I have a guy who looks like him in my gym, 5'5 tops, he always works out at the same time as me. He's balding too which must suck for him.
I want to rub his head for good luck but I haven't worked up the courage yet
Idk why people call that fake natty. He's been training for like 2 decades, that's not even particularly impressive.
because most natties dont look like they've stepped foot in a gym after two decades of training. you for example
Apparently he was caught sucking a big Black folk dick, I can't find the link
Yeah the fact he takes pictures with a low camera angle lmao
yes being 5’5 and skinny is clearly worse
He’s so short I’d almost believe it if it weren’t for the absurd traps
Watch his vid on natty gains vs roofer gains…might set your head straight.
He is natty.
>5’5
Lifting will be of no benefit to his life. It wont make women like him, it wont help defend himself because most tall fat guys can just drag him around like a toddler throwing a hissy fit, he can pick up a heavy rock maybe. He doesn’t even look good, like a walking nugget kek
>Lifting will be of no benefit to his life
It literally made him a multimillionaire. If anything, being so short is a cheat code for putting up impressive numbers and looking absolutely massive in his videos, even if he does have to be careful to not have someone else in the shot that would make him look like a child.