>5x5 is notoriously effective at putting on strength and size
>hypertrophy (and strength?) only occurs when you go to failure every set
what le frick
who do I listen to
what are the roots of both arguments
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maybe you should just shut the frick up and lift.
Everything else is irrelevant, starting c**t, ice cream frick, Jeff Nippards twink building split, none of it matters.
Just get good at sbdp, curls, rows, chins etc and you will look good.
The only important thing is that you learn to lift safely and pack weight on over a period of time.
Everything else is a distraction.
If the weight over time hasn't gone up you are doing something wrong.
Don't listen to anyone else telling you to do low weight pump useless Zoomer shit.
If you are really this clueless just buy starting strength and read it. Read the grey book after you finish it. Don't drink a gallon of milk a day unless you're 40kg soaking wet.
5 inches is enough
Why did you leave out tricep isolations but include biceps? Low weight pump shit and doing a million accessories in a workout is obviously silly but why wouldn't you include skullcrushers or something if you're going to include curls and multiple bicep/back compounds?
It's effective because it's given to noobs and almost anything works for noobs. Simple and effective beats complicated and effective so it's good to tell novices to do straight sets with the same number of reps since it's easier to understand and quicker to say or write down.
this makes sense, except for
>science shows that the last ~3 reps is where the most breakdown happens and when you're doing 5 reps, you're missing that window completely as you're only failing probably on the last rep.
How would you fail during more than one rep? If we're calling it "failure", then wouldn't the 2 before the final 5th rep be just as strenuous as the 2 before the final 10th rep in a bodybuilding routine? Either way you're hitting failure and it's taking everything your body is capable of
I completely don't understand what you're saying at all.
>This makes sense, except for
>science shows that the last ~3 reps is where the most breakdown happens and when you're doing 5 reps, you're missing that window completely as you're only failing probably on the last rep.
The way this reads to me, is that if you're right, and it's the last 3 reps that cause the growth, then you could just do sets of 3 reps on everything that doesn't bother your joints to do so and you'd grow well, but that's not really true. But that's just how it reads to me, I don't really think I'm getting what you're saying
Well that's what I'm asking. Unsure if you're that anon but, assuming it's "the last 3 reps that count", why wouldn't sets of 5 work just as well as sets of 8? If there's a reason, I'm open to hearing it, but just saying "the last 3 reps count" doesn't really make sense when paired with "but they have to be at the end of a high rep set to induce hypertrophy"
First, it's moreso the last 6 reps, hence the hypertrophy range unofficially starting at like 6 reps. Second, this isn't applicable to all exercises, you just can't get a good stimulus doing something like a lateral raise for 5 reps, simple rule is if it's hard at the top, you need to go a bit lighter to get a good stimulus.
Third, when we're talking noobs, 5 reps might as well be hypertrophy reps, it's going to be good enough to cause growth even if it's slightly heavy for a more advanced lifter
5x5 doesn't do anything good, it's a middle of the road routine for people who can't decide if they want to power lift or body build. Power lifting is about working up to a heavy single, 5 reps would be warming up. Body building uses higher reps because science shows that the last ~3 reps is where the most breakdown happens and when you're doing 5 reps, you're missing that window completely as you're only failing probably on the last rep.
What do if I want to get frickin shredded
Follow a high protein diet that has you in a calorie deficit each day and lift with high volume
Sweet so the exact opposite of what I’ve been doing the past 6 years makes sense
What are your lifts?
you are a moron
the main driver of hypertrophy is mechanical tension. You can grow off of 4 rep sets.
Reminder:
>he ISN'T chudmaxxing
>chudmaxxing is mutually exclusive to lifting
oh my sweet summer chudcel...
>chudmaxxing is mutually exclusive to lifting
It doesn't mean what you think it means homosexual, see
also see
I WILL NOT BE ISOLATED
I WILL NOT BE HOPELESS
I WILL NOT BE FAT
I WILL NOT BE FEMININE
I WILL NOT BE DERACINATED
AND, ABOVE ALL,
I WILL NOT LOVE THE ANTI-CHRIST
>I WILL NOT BE ISOLATED
>I WILL NOT BE HOPELESS
>I WILL NOT BE FAT
>I WILL NOT BE FEMININE
>I WILL NOT BE DERACINATED
>AND, ABOVE ALL,
>I WILL NOT LOVE THE ANTI-CHRIST
that's what chudmaxxing is, dumbass
do you think the people who are embracing the chud meme are submitting themselves to self destruction and trying to emulate the meme entirely? MGTOW has been a meme for years now because people understand that complete rejection of society and debasement in the pursuit of hedonism is silly.
the embracing of the chud meme is an ironic celebration of it's original intent. it's being unapologetically right wing in the face of mockery from discord trannies and their ilk. there is nothing pro nihilism about turning the meme on it's head and using it to inspire hope in the face of adversity
Train until failure, you've got to have a nice day in the gym and hit a point where a lot of other people would quit. Hit your own breaking point where your body can't handle more. Then you gotta eat enough to maintain the gains. Pretty much unironically train like you're as goku or something.
Don't forget your cardio.
>try 5x5 workout
>no problem, easy
>move up in weight for next workout
>now hard and only doing 5x4 because you hit failure before 5 reps
As you can now see they are the same thing. If you would actually try it out you would already know this.
>>now hard and only doing 5x4 because you hit failure before 5 reps
wouldn't it be 5x4 then
There is a difference between what you are planning to do in a workout and what you actually do.
5x5 is the plan, but not necessarily what happens.
Lift a heavy-enough weight that 5 reps is close to failure, then do 5 sets of that.
Today I went to failure on dumbbell bench for 5 sets, doing the 95lb dumbbells for 7, 6, 5, and 2 sets of 4. Not only is this one rep more than 25 total reps, but I went to failure every set. How would doing the same weight for 5x5 be any better? I would only be going to failure on maybe the last 1-2 sets and the total volume would be either less(in this case), or the same, as if I went to failure and did more reps for my earlier sets
You build a solid foundation for the first 18 months first
Drop sets until you can’t lift anything anymore
Totally you should listen to your white killing israeli overlord who doesn't lie about his height by never telling it and doesn't care about one's physique.
Usually /fit makes fun of fatties, baldies, israelites and manlets, Rippetoe gets away from being hated on for all these four categories? So what's the deal? homosexuals!
3 sets to failure. If you are taking too long to hit failure on the first set, up the weight.
Simple as.
>Its fricking over. Its so over. We are never coming back from this. I am never going to recover from this. Its all downhill from here.
My subconscious after the first beer sip.