achievable natty ? if not, what would be the stack ?
this is literally my long term fitness goal I need to know. I refuse to die without reaching it first.
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achievable natty ? if not, what would be the stack ? this is literally my long term fitness goal I need to know.
Yes.
>is suicider natty
LOL
do you know the guy in the pic ? pls post more of him
Dont know him, know OF him, hes old fraud lore
Achievable naturally with 5-8 years of dedicated hypertrophy training. Keep in mind that this is an exceptional physique, so you will not reach it overnight. Good luck.
You guys are so moronic its unreal. Do you have any idea how much tren this guy ran
Jesus, tripgays are legitimately moronic. OP asked if it is achievable, not if this person in particular is natural.
No its not fricking possible natural, stating him being on insane amounts of gear makes that pretty clear you fricking spastic
You’ve been blasting and cruising on tren stacks for 3 years, are you going to tell me that your physique is in not achievable natural
I've been messing with gear for 3 years and I've ran tren once kek.
Show me a natty who's achieved a similar fizeek
>believing people on IST
>ITS DEMORALIZATION
natties literally can't compete and you're a moron
Why do you look so horrible in comparison then?
Because I dont blast literal grams of gear and haven't been on for 6+ years
The natty perception of gains is so warped, thanks Bugenhagen
You are on gear, yet look like shit compared to natties.
Why is that?
>no I cant prove it, but I'll cope
I mog (You) and thats all that matters.
You don't have visible abs.
Still better than (You)
Being a professional buffoon doesn't mean that your opinion on lifting matters
>posting someone on gear
>this is me
Keep speaking the truth. I have nothing against honest roiders. All the dyels who think you are trying to demoralize (?) them and the fake natties are seething kek
>roiding for THAT
lmfao your genes are literally bottom 5%
No you see Mr. Trip, Mr. Tripgay is a rather tall fellow so surely his genes must be at least bottom twenty per cent!
You got mogged by weakling leftist troony brigade. Nobody cares
naturally only if you got elite genetics and still it would be years of training
to think this dude roided for that
look at those puny arms
thats wild bro
you mean these pythons aren't giant??
So this is your new cope huh
I dont run grams
>I dont run grams
you don't look like you roid at all
You dont look like you lift
>verification not required
topkek you don't either by evidence of the 100s of anons who tell you
>seething samegay is 100s of anons
I'd be more inclined to believe the normal IST people.
>if I accuse others of what I do I win!
OK israelite
God damn randy you just exposed your mental illness. You really think some guy is samegayging hundreds of times. I kind of feel bad now, I’ve been picking on someone with a mental handicap
There's several legitimate schizophrenics on this board, you're likely one of them.
Randy how did u solve ur backne issue?
The schizophrenics are the ones genuinely arguing alongside you, you utter dimwit.
he thinks IST is one person he doesn't realize how much of an unlikable homosexual he really is
Biggest self own I've seen.
I’m about 1.5 years in and if I don’t look at least as large as your pic by the 5 year mark naturally, including at least a 4 pack, I will kms because I must’ve really fricked up somewhere along the way. What are you strength numbers btw since I’ve never seen you post them? Do you do any pull ups? Deadlifts?
he has shit number mate he copes all the time about it by saying he lifts for aesthetics imagine that guy saying that
He doesn't actually lift. He just takes the roids so that he can have a mediocre physique and bang 5/10s.
Dont deadlift or OHP, I just rep everything by 8-12, le 225 bench included but I prefer dumbbells.
Cope
Accutane and tanning
>Roiding to bench as much as chestlet lmao
Only powershitters and natties care about numbers
also people who look good but you don't kek
Nobody in this thread looks good, especially the chestlet whose chest looks like a chicken nugget
Who are you talking about. You keep mentioning a chestlet without tagging anyone.
He thinks anyone who's not demoralized to the point of trooning out is me because I posted body in one of his demoralization threads a few months ago and he still hasn't gotten over it.
Okay I'm all caught up. He made another thread.
If you didn’t care about numbers why did you insert numbers into the previous post. Your brag backfired because your a complete dyel
he really isn't smart enough to remember 5 minutes ago
If you can’t take 225lbs for a 25 rep ride you’re not a man.
Simply post body
Intermediategay here again, I figured you didn’t deadlift or do chins because frankly your back looks underdeveloped (at least in the angle you posted) relative to your back. In fact it looks like all the developed parts of your physique are just the ones that respond to steroids the most.
Frankly, this anon’s overall size mogs you considering the vast majority of the BMI difference is likely just your higher bodyfat. I would expect someone on roids to at least have a visible 4 pack.
You look fine for someone who half asses the gym for 6 years and takes roids to make up for it, which is fine, but spamming IST every day as if you mog everyone when you clearly don’t just makes you look like a sad moron. The only cope that can naturally follow from that is that you’re aware of how moronic you are and are just trolling, which is still moronic. You look like a picture that gets brought up as an example of someone you would think is natural but is actually just a hyporesponder to steroids. Please stop.
My back is quite developed actually
Your back looks about as good as mine when I was seriously training as a natty 3 years ago
>8-12, le 225 bench
Imagine roiding and being able to only do 8-12 reps on bench, and thinking that’s impressive. Randy stop I’m getting second hand embarrassment for you
a quarter of the natties on this board look better than you which is particularly insane because only half of them lift
> natties literally can't compete and you're a moron
Natties cannot compete with many roided physiques, I agree. But the one in OP is not such a case.
> show a natty who achieved something similar
impossible to prove with a modern person online, but someone like steve reeves comes to mind.
>the one in OP is not such a case
Physiques posted in this thread: 1
Good argument moron.
> Demoralization posting this hard
Once again, color me shocked that you cannot fathom a natural achieving that level of musculature since you yourself probably lack discipline. I never said it would be easy, and I agree it is a very exceptional physique, but based on people I have met and on my own progress, I think the physique in OP is achievable within a decade of dedicated lifting and dieting. Cope more.
There's plenty of naturals who post in the /cbt/ with similarly developed physiques who are natural.
Just because you are to much of a lazy moron to train properly doesn't mean the same goes for others.
>I believe everything I read on IST
Haha oh wow
>similarly developed physiques
Such as....?
Reminder that 99% of cbt posters are contorting like a demon possessed them, anglefrauding, lightingfrauding and flexing as hard as possible.
>it's the ROIDING FOR THIS tripgay telling people what's achievable naturally or not
tiresome
>guy posted who's known as suicider because of his mental status from the amount of tren he was on
>achievable natty
Show me someone who's made better progress in the same timeframe but natty.
There's a lot of steroid users who look like intermediates because they barely lift
I'm at the "natty potential" stage on gear and dont blast grams so yeah, you're not wrong
>he thinks his 3/10 physique is anywhere near natty limit
bro youre supposed to lift while taking the stuff
The question was ‘can this physique be achieved naturally’, not ‘did this individual achieve it naturally’. The answer to the first is yes even if the second answer is no.
>answer to the first is yes
Proof: my ass
>this can be achieved naturally
Then why haven't (You) done it?
Fake natties are such a cancer. Just be honest so people have realistic expectations
>Then why haven't (You) done it?
It's not my goal. I'm happy with how I look and would prefer to focus on more general athleticism and having fun.
Thats a whole lot of words for "I can't"
Keep coping Randy.
You literally do roids to look like the average natural who's lifted for a year.
Keep malding natty who's lifted for several years and still doesn't mog me
>yeah you could look like this if you wanted to
>so you can't
>OMG COPE COPE COPE ROIDtroony COPE
Can't believe I'm siding with randy on this one, but not only do you look like absolute garbage, you also have the ego of a girl.
>can't believe I'm siding with Randy
I'm not so bad anon 🙁
you're a giant homosexual
Sneed, natty
>get called handsome daily, attractive women give me their numbers and frick me
>some seething natty on 4chins things I'm not handsome
Oh no
randy making things up again to impress the incels he supposedly hates on IST
(You)
He asked why I don't. I explained why I don't.
We both know the answer is that you CAN'T, you fricking idiot.
You could bulk up to 250, do heavy compounds and hypertrophy, and you still wouldn't look like suicider.
I wouldn't know. I've never tried to look like him.
>I wouldn't know
You know
You do 2pl8 for 10+ reps to look like someone that does push ups and crunches for a year.
>It's not my goal
Yeah sure moron, cope some more.
I lack either the disciple or the genetics to do it. I’m not a lifetime natty regardless so it’s too late to find out.
There's always grams of gear and l-carnatine bro dont give up
grams of gear couldn't take you out of dyeldom kek
Verification not required.
>Then why haven't (You) done it?
Everybody wanna be a bodybuilda
Ain't nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights
randy just cause you look like shit doesn't mean everyone is as shit as you
Cope. I look better than you.
no you don't look in the mirror not only are you ugly and need glasses you also need troony drugs to keep your hair while i'm older than you and have a full head of hair kek randy your copes are funny keep em coming the malding in this thread by you is top notch
Imagine being this fricking ignorant of bodybuilding history
You're not achieving this level of musculature and vascularity natty, el morono.
>inb4 that one ugly b***h with the smallest chest on this board posts his ugly disfigured body to """"prove"""" that it's achievable natty
>Being this butthurt about your demoralization thread from several months ago not going as planned.
>remembering random threads on IST from months before
>"uhmmmm ur butthurt mmmkay"
kek
You literally made new threads dedicated to my physique. I posted for the first time in months a few days ago and you immediately responded. You're obsessed.
>hasnt posted fizeek
>thinking anyone knows who he is
Literally a schizophrenic
See
He's referring to me.
What the frick are you even talking about, moron? Post body and let's have a laugh.
is the most recent one I've posted.
Tbqh you look hideous and you abuse downlighting and obviously edit your photos
>obviously edit your photos
Point out what I edited.
>saturation
>exposition
Really easy to spot, I do it myself, so no need to lie to me
I didn't edit it. The lights are very white and bright, but I don't think that does any favors.
Where did I give advice?
>look like shit
>tell people a non-shit physique is achievable
Pottery.
>Don't train for aesthetics
>Never do isolations
>Bad muscle insertions
>Lower bodyfat than OP
>Probably weight a similar amount (6'0, 190)
Yeah, if someone actually wanted the body of OP, then he could probably obtain something similar naturally.
Why are you so desperate to demoralize? I wonder if it has to do with your own physique - which you never post.
>look like shit
>give advice about achieving a roid physique
kek
>let me prove you wrong by explaining why I don't look like him and not providing pics of someone that looks like him without roids
Good point, moron. Maybe post a pic with front light next time.
>"you're butthurt"
>moooooooooom he posted again
kek
>actual schizoposting
Hello chestlet. Still looking small and abusing filters?
I generally don't use filters except for one core photo to prove a point between the difference between filtered and unfiltered.
Train chest.
I do. I have unfortunate insertions. I hit 2pl8 bench for 12 reps.
Certainly you have no chance of achieving that naturally with that level of cynicism.
Shut up, you are so dumb you can't even realize how fricking stupid you really are
Just because you needed roids to look dyel doesnt mean everybody does randtard
didnt he just take a ton of sarms for a year?
Idk CCFC told me it was tren unless I'm remembering wrong
>Tripgay roiding moron can’t comprehend that multiple extra years of training with more discipline could possibly allow you to reach a similar FFMI
>if he couldn’t do it WITH steroids, no one else could possibly do it without them
Imagine having this much of a cope mindset lmao
Post body.
>5 years
ahahahahah
>doesn't look far beyond natty limit
AHAHAHAHAH
>probably achievable natty
AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
These are the people trying to give you fitness advice on here.
Actual fricking dyel morons.
you are just a roidtroony trying to manipulate people
morons like you come in thinking you know everything when I’d put money on you looking like a fat powershitter. This guys a roidtroony and you’re drooling clean yourself up
How is that exceptional? Guys who are actually strong will still laugh at that physique.
Achievable natty in 10 years
Musculature doesn’t look like it is far beyond natty limit or may be at natty limit FFMI 25
He is pretty lean
Probably achievable natty but it would take a long time, at least 5 years of semi-strict training and lifting, to achieve both the muscle mass and leanness simultaneously
A moderate dose of testosterone (+ optionally other weak steroids like primobolan, equipoise, anavar, etc.) would make this achievable far quicker but it would still take a few cycles)
>achievable natty ?
No
>if not, what would be the stack ?
Tren, Clen, calisthenics. Note the lack of chesticles, not gonna get that physiques with benching.
natty ?
>No
WHAT?! He's not even big!
Yes but as others have said it will take quite some time and more dedication than 99.9% of people possess
Prove it.
The main problem is people here are unable to comprehend physique change between powerlifting and bodybuilding. You can absolutely achieve this natty, even with shit genetics, yes it take time 3-5 years, depends on the height aswell, below 6'1 you can certainly achieve
even the best "natty" influencers are mogged hard by this fizeek. lurk more
Maybe if you're 5'3 with otherwise good genetics.
Well, oh so wise roidtroony, what proof would you like? If a natty posts physique that exceeds the OP post, you will accuse them of roids. Do you want bloodwork too? moron.
Then post them.
Couldn't be that hard, right?
Couldn't be so hard to find a fizeek that looks like a 5'5 manlet on tren.
There's clear muscle markers for gear use, capped shoulders, grainy looking musculature, threaded beyond belief, striations.
Post a natty who mogs him thing
>There's clear muscle markers for gear use, capped shoulders, grainy looking musculature, threaded beyond belief, striations.
How did you manage to avoid all those markers so well? What is your secret?
Not blasting grams, not using cutting compounds or loads of dbol, moderate androgenic receptor count which I can circumvent with l-carnatine
You're still coping, getting an enhanced fizeek still takes years, post the natty who mogs OP
>post the natty who mogs OP
Looks like anon already has posted several
They're not nearly as aesthetic lmao, none mog OP
>capped shoulders
>striations
WHERE LOL
He is pretty big, lean, and has excellent insertions + proportions. not one of these qualities of his is exceptional.
lmao
See
Also see pic rel.
All your "natty" heros were doing everything they could to get bigger, including boosting their test
I eat fat, which boosts production of hormones in natties. I too am doing what I can to boost my test in a HEALTHY way. Why don't you post your health markers?
> Bronze era
> Bodybuilding invented in 1939
LMAO
No natty will ever be impressive compared to someone on gear
>">could take whatever pharma hoodoo they wanted as there were no laws"
>post proof steroids weren't even invented yet, much less effective
What's wrong buddy? What's with the coping and sneeding?
>Steroids invented in '35
>bodybuilding becomes a thing in the 30s
>mental gymnastics to avoid deduction
>silver era
>natty
moron
Literally everyone posted mogs you to oblivion.
Yes you're right, men who made bodybuilding their only priority in life mog me, but (You) do not. (You) cant compete.
I guarantee each one of them did whatever supplementation they could to get bigger.
>john grimek
>natty
>men who had the testosterone levels of someone on a 300mg/week cruise and arent subjected to constant destruction of their endocrine system by estrogen in literally everything
>could take whatever pharma hoodoo they wanted as there were no laws
Post a natty and stop moving the goal post
Not even remotely close kek.
Thanks for your concession.
>only old era bodybuilders with heavy downlighting
""""proof""""
> Roidtrannies cannot compete with natty excellence
> coping and seething ensues
Poetry
>post only old photoshoots with heavy downlighting and heavy flexing
Yeah and here's sandow in non-favorable lighting and not flexing in a perfect way.
Doesn't even come remotely close to suicider's relaxed physique.
Bronze era had inferior knowledge of hypertrophy training. People are posting them because we can prove they are natty, which cannot be said for anyone modern. Impossible to get through to morons clearly.
>le inferior knowledge
Yeah and your only """"proof"""" from the modern era is just a bunch of fake natty youtuber kek.
Go train some chest, chestlet.
I will train lmao. For many years, with health joints and without having to inject myself with chinese bathtub drugs. You are too small, both physically and mentally to compete. I hope for your sake you have access to good health care because you sure as hell are going to need it. You are completely lost.
>getting this mindbroken over your chest
Touched a nerve, huh.
Don't forget to do cable flyes, chestlet.
> thinking that I am chestlet
cope and seethe moron. don't forget to inject your physique!
If you're
then you're a chestlet as well kek
Nope. I'm just here to mog bobandy. Not interested in a back and forth with non body posters.
OP's pic is also in perfect lighting and sandow looks the same if not better here
OP's pic is literally in full frontal lighting in the first pic, you absolute fricking moron.
Take a pic in the same lighting and post it.
>Sandow looks the same
Clinically blind.
Sandow looks dyel in those photos.
This anon
is right, post somebody modern.
>Inb4 manlet, not natty, or some other cope
>no really guys I'm natty and not a sarm muncher
Not everyone is as mentally weak as you.
See
You have gotten ruthlessly mogged by literally everyone posted ITT and you have reacted precisely how that anon predicted you would. You will accept no proof, no matter what is shown to you, because you're an eternally seething >roiding for this who'll use every cope in the book to make yourself seem less pathetic.
>I'm totally natty guys
Sneed, you will post everyone you claim to be natty but yourselves.
My turn to mog reddit randy. I was proud of you when I saw you throw up the roman salute to a crowd and take a punch to the face for it. But then you turned gay and roided for a natty physique. Tragic.
But you dont mog the 6'4 aryan. Do you know who also used test injections? Uncle Addy.
When you hop on roids, you're still supposed to lift weights, Randy.
Why would I lift weights if steroids are magic and make you look like Dorian Yates without training?
>but I'm tall
I don't care. Lmao.
Tall and look better. Take a full body shot bro
I look better then you and I haven't taken any troony drugs. Also your ironic stash is cringe AF and "manly". You just look like one of those onions consoooomer of manly products.
>tiny shoulders
>tiny arms
do you even lift
Core definitely mogs mine ngl, c'est la vie
>6'4 and handsome
>bad genes because it takes a long time to get big
Kek
iirc he was like 6'3
>bad genes because it takes a long time to get big
It doesn’t take long if you have decent genetics
>6'4 is easy to fill out
Tell me how I know you're a manlet
Dude you are on gear, so long as you actually lift and eat you will get big, you are a hyporesponder
he's a none responder kek look how fricking dyel he is and he's been lifting for 6 years at least
Mirin brah. You do mog randy with your general aesthetic.
Setting randy as the bar is a rather low bar though.
That is true, almost everyone mogs randy, but I call it as I see it and that blonde lad is aesthetic
no doubt about that dude is pretty aesthetic
>trying to hide those tiny arms with that pose
>zero traps
The classic skelly
He mogs you randy. None of the pics you posted mog anyone here. Being bigger doesn’t mean shit when your not aesthetic or cut, which is what gear helps you do, at least for everyone but you
>post circus freaks that only looked jacked in photo shoots with heavy downlighting, heavy posing and flexing
>get btfo by
>post only old photoshoots with heavy downlighting and heavy flexing
Yeah and here's sandow in non-favorable lighting and not flexing in a perfect way.
Doesn't even come remotely close to suicider's relaxed physique.
>resort to posting fake natty youtubers
>"m-mogged"
kek
Now post body.
You first.
>y-yeah uh so natties can look this g-good too!
>post body
>y-you first
You don't lift. Why are you even here, troony?
To avoid your unfortunate situation.
You look like shit, why are you even here, dyel?
Let's see what you look like then.
We're not talking about me. You look like shit.
You look worse than me though.
>mog 99% of the human population
>unfortunate situation
Really wild bro
>roiding manlet in heavy downlighting
Getting desperate huh
I just know your hands are sweaty
>5'3
Was just getting to it 🙂
If a body as mediocre as this isn't achievable natty we should all just give up lifting.
what do you gays do to get good abs, are ab rollers good?
Squats.
>achievable natty ?
no
>I refuse to die without reaching it first.
you won't, even if you blasted the same amounts of gear, ate the same diet, and trained the same you don't have the muscle insertions to look that good
>a bunch of morons arguing about OP being achievable natty
>the only evidence for natties are staged photos from 150 years ago and youtubers cruising on TRT
>no one posts body
That's a yikes from me dawg.
In fairness, only one of the roidtrannies has posted body. One can assume then that the rest are literal trannies.
>thread about if OP's body is achievable
>nobody proves it's achievable
>a century of physique from long before steroids were invented or used effectively
>no proof
see
No proof indeed
Keep coping.
you posted a roidtroony
Keep coping. Never took any steroids before 1953, which is long after any of these pictures were taken, and when he did he noticed no differences in his physique and "felt lousy".
>le retroactive fake natty
Yeah yeah, and arnold was natty at his first olympia win.
You fricking dolt lmao
photos from 150 years ago are posted because you can be sure they aren't on roids
but then it's
>muh lighting
cope
post one from nowadays?
>uh nuh uh they on roids I said so
cope more
>cope
There's not one pic where the lighting is like here
where sandow looks like a dyel manlet.
>nowadays
Yeah and only end up posting youtubers lmao.
>lighting is like here
>post only old photoshoots with heavy downlighting and heavy flexing
Yeah and here's sandow in non-favorable lighting and not flexing in a perfect way.
Doesn't even come remotely close to suicider's relaxed physique.
where the lighting is so bright it literally washes out any and all contrast off of anybody?
Post OPs pic that sort of lighting see how good he looks. The two photos on the right in OP you can literally see the lighting coming from above
>posts another old timer streetshitter that is flexed so hard that he could burst an artery
Next.
>No you aren't allowed to flex either that's cheating
>comparing non-flexed OP to a flexed street shitter
Yeah I accept your concession chestlet.
>OMG HE LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE OP
kek
Your right, he looks much, much better than OP.
>omggg he looks so goooood
kek
Literally looks the same as pic related whos in perfect harsh downward lighting to make his abs visible
lmao what I'd love to see you look big while being this pale and being out in blinding white light, that's literally the worst lightning for a picture and he still mogs everyone
What's his height and weight?
i have no clue, i don't know who that is, he just looks better than anything that was posted here, leaner, more rounded up in really bad lightning
lol those abs would look like the left pic if the lighting didn't give him shadows under every muscle. Plenty of nattys have already been posted in this thread that mog him even in completely average lighting
Just compare that left OP pic to that. Alex's physique literally better. Unless you wanna claim roids in which case I accept your concession
>alex
roidtroon
>he's now coping
>b-b-but muh lighting
Sandow got ZERO traps in that pic.
He looks chronically dyel in any pics where he isn't posed like a statue.
pic rel
Now shut the frick up already.
>this looks dyel to him
get some firends and leave this place spastic loser, arguing online won't do you any good.
He looked like he shoveled snow for a profession.
.
Post body
>mindbroken
Deep breaths, anon.
You're talking shit. Let's see what you look like, to see if you have any credibility or are just a demoralization troony.
You look like dogshit and cry whenever someone calls you dyel because you get mindbroken easily as if I fricked your mom
Fix yourself
You posted a roided bodybuilder from the 30's, you fricking moron.
natties are mentally ill
None of this shit means anything unless you know height and weight.
If you ever want proof bodybuilding is 99 percent mental illness just scroll the thread
Yes, but years of dedication. Or a year of "broccoli and rice". Kek.
absolutely delusional if you think somebody can reach that physique in a year even on gear
My gym buddy has this physique; he's got less legs but that's definitively achievable natty. He's hyperactive and he's been lifting for 14 years, (since he was 13) and he just never stops. Also, I saw him discuss with an actual roider once, and the roided guy made my friend look like a scrawny granpa in comparison
HAHAHA wait you're telling me that fricking nerd with glasses and a wow tattoo thinks he's handsome frick that's funny
randy in shambles but since he has the memory of a goldfish he'll forget all about getting mogged
Still sneeding over that ban?
Randy is buck broken by some guy he jannied(for free) talk about rent free in someone's head kek
Achievable within "natural" test levels (TRT) sure,
From a pure lbm and bodyfat percentage it might be achievable natty, but there's a specifity to the shape you get when roiding, the fullness, of the muscle, the capped shoulders, and big quad sweep that you just won't see in natties. This is is pretty obvious once you get an eye for it and it's easy to tell even among smaller guys like mma fighters and cbt posters who's roiding and who's not.
So no, not really. You might be able to get this big and lean after a decade as a natty, but you still won't have the "look"
If you are genetically gifted and extremely dedicated you can achieve this natty, but you cannot maintain it year round as a natural. End of discussion.
That's an impressive physique for a natty but holy shit if I took roids and ended up looking like that, I'd honestly just rope.
imagine if you took roids to look like the malding and balding tripgay
The amount of skinnyfats and dyels who haven’t posted body yet while screaming at others to post body shows why this board is gone. To spend all this time raging and b8ing just tells me it’s a coordinated effort from discord troons hellbent on not being exposed as the dysgenic freaks they are. The posts here borderline obsessive and are riddled with narcissistic tones while gatekeeping and gaslighting anons from getting fit and the fizek they personally want.
Remember bros, it’s what you want to do with your body. If you hop on a cycle or not, it is your choice to do.
Hi Randy without the trip. How about lift harder and eat more and don't roid unless you know what you're doing and have a fully realized plan to hit 30+ffmi?
Fix your chest, chestlet.
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Not him at all lmao. I didn’t even read through the full thread homosexual.
Yeah just roid if it fits your goals and stay natty otherwise. If you want to be crazy huge then roid, if you want to be pretty big with half the effort then roid. If you’re prioritizing longevity then stay natty. If you want to hit big maxes do powerlifting, if you want to be a calisthenicsgay then do that. But spamming every thread about how jacked you are is just homosexual shit.
>if you want to be pretty big with half the effort then
then you're a homosexual
You’re a homosexual if you brag about it yeah, which 90% of roiders do since they’re mentally ill rejects unfortunately.
You're a homosexual if you don't too. The organ growth, the aging, the reforming of your face. A small prove to pay for not having to try as hard on this bench press? Fricking homosexual and you look like it too with your overtly over masculized everything but the muscle.
*and the eyes
Roids don't masculize those either. You can easily tell a fake roider by the fear in his eyes.
I'm confused on what you guys consider to be the natty limit.
First picture looks a bit roid-ish but top right picture looks like achievable naturally in less than a decade with good training and good genetic.
Do you guys have examples of what you deem as naturally achievable limit?
Anything with any muscle requires roids according to the roidtrannies (and literal trannies) ITT.
I'm confused as hell, especially by the stach guy ITT who apparently consider his body inachievable without roids? I have a friend that is twice as big naturally (he is kinda short tho)
Don't listen to anything reddit Randy says. He's clinically moronic, and doesn't know the first thing about training.
Aawho is the tripgay getting btfo'd the whole thread?
It's literally achievable within half a year.
Randy really looks fricking moronic that's all I got out of this thread