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Am I missing out on any back gains by doing close-grip pulldowns using the seated cable row handle, instead of wide grip?
homie I have this sensation that my back gets the best beatdown when I start with a wide grip and with each next set I add weight and narrow the grip. When I;m done with my 4th set I do two more sets with rep range of at least 12reps with a row handle. My back gets all kinds of stimulus and in return blesses me with all kinds of gainz!
homie that method will get you wide! You'll be fricking fat b***hes in no time! Hell, you can even fight a homie or two.
there's almost 0 difference
think its more latissimus dorsi focused and less of the other muscles. if u do a horizontal row I think ur fine
pullups give you a wide back
Fuuuck I suck at them but you're absolutely right.
true true but you can bring all the muscles to exhaustion and failure easier imo than pull ups.
absolutely switch up the bars anonymously
>switch up the bars anonymously
What happens if he switches up the bars identifiably?
>you can bring all the muscles to exhaustion and failure easier imo than pull ups.
Skill issue
My last chin-up set of the week is a HIT set where I do the following:
>forced reps
>rest-pause
>dropsets
>after concentric failure, jump up to the top and do negatives until total negative failure
could go pull ups banded pull ups, negatives, then hypothetically jump on the lat pull down just to be sure but at a much lower weight
Sure, but honestly by the time I'm back to bodyweight in the chin-ups my lats are pretty much done for. Maybe it'd be good for the pump.
I can't test it since my gym doesn't have a lat pulldown machine for some reason.
im gonna try this theory next time fren. i probably wont try weighted tbh but ill do regular ones and it might be a skill issue. thats true
Why the frick out the handles on the end? It tricked me
Wouldn't holding a couple things that are spreading apart, away from your spine, also widen your back?
Or do you mean, inproofs your lats.
I love lat pulldowns. My biggest upper body lift by quite a bit.
checked. thats awesome anon
also checked. thats good too
Only homosexuals do lat pull downs. Get a weight belt and hang some plates around your waist, so weighted pull-ups and then talk to me
I open with weighted chinups then do much heavier lat pulldowns
Nice job brah
Go look at the weighted pullup record holders' physiques. It's not that they aren't superwide, they aren't wide at all. Many of them are DYEL.
lmao only enraged manlets do pulls ups, show some physique
Nothing more pissbaby than deriving your masculinity from the exercises you perform
>t. coping fatass who can't do 5 pullups
Im not a twink
>Status: Visibly fatsoflustered
>Destination: Copenhagen
>haven't done a single lat pull-down since beginning to lift again
>up to +30kg for reps with normal full ROM pullups
>back possibly most well developed body part without really trying, I just like to do a lot of pullups
monkey tech -> evil cable contraption
Correct answers
weighted pullups
I put my thumbs where the bends in the bar are but i dont really feel anything in my back, biceps get most of the workout. Perhaps my form just sucks.
move your hands a little in and when you pull down the bar. really focus on the bar going to your chest and squeezing those shoulder and back muscles. even hold it in this position for a a second if possible. drop the weight lower if need be to get the mind muscle connection of the movement.
based
Based, thanks anon, will give this a go next week
no doubt
based i'll try this fren. explain it to me further.
do your highest weight? drop a plate each set??
they work the same muscles for sure but the lat pull down machine has less engagement than a pull up with the abs and other muscles. i dont know all the specifics but the pull up is open chain feet off the floor. lat pull down is closed chain feet on the floor. this isnt a good explaination of open chained exercises vs closed chain ones. this is just a statemnent but the lat pull down will work the lats upper shoulders bis and tris in a similar way and that strength will translate to a pull up. dont get me wrong you gotta do pull ups to actually do them but lat pull downs will strengthen all the areas a pull up hits.
Do this before you lift: retract your scapula (shoulderblades down and back). Leading with your elbow row one arm back, then pretend you are hitch hiking and turn your arm outwards. To get an even better contraction squeeze your core to the side you are contracting. Repeat like 4 times each side. This lets me get a much better mind muscle connection.
I found this technique off a video, had a chink in it. I don't remember what it was called.
false grip+lighter weight+more reps. Try different grip positions.
Most people frick up and use way too much weight, and this causes your body to revert using more muscles or bad form.
So many dudes lean to 30degrees and use a ton of low back+momentum.
The lat stretch you can get with pull downs is amazing. When your arms are fully extended shrug your shoulders to overextend. Then when you pull you'll feel your lats engage in a different way, great for getting a good pump at the end of a back workout.
I like to do a drop set at the end starting with my 6 rep max and then dropping a pl8 and going to failure for 5 or 6 pl8s.
Highest weight to failure, drop a plate go to failure, drop a plate go to failure. No rests its like 30-40 reps at the end of workout.
do these lat pulldowns machine help you with doing chin ups or pull ups? Cant do a single pull up, I can do a chin up but with great difficulty. Been doing negs for a while see if they help.
try weighted negatives
I went from doing negatives to ~3 pullups or ~4 chinups before failure in 6 weeks, just keep at it and eat. I do not claim this is an impressive number or anything, but it gets easier after you can do that first one
Weighted pullups are still king, did 3x6 with 22kg (96kg total) yesterday
what do I do for back thickness? I've got width but don't have the deep definition
You row.
Im glad it does for you but in my experience it depends on your lat a lot. Some people get a crazy connection and pump with it but others need a more circular motion to get their lats. Like a pull up focused on pulling your elbows back. Honestly, lat is all about connecting and making that fricker burn
I do pullovers for a good MMC with my lat, after that every back exercise my lats fail.
rows, shrug variations, rack pulls. Remember your back can take abuse, so dish it out.
.......doesn't happen to me.
It's just me or is totally normal to have some/little pec doms after pull-ups and lat machine pulldown?
I get it when I use the chin-up grip with my hands close together and go to failure, it's probably normal
It's normal, especially if using a wide grip for pull-ups or pull-downs
there is a thing called stretch mediated hypertrophy. basically longitudal growth and hypoxia. with wide grip and allowing scapulae to move. might be dangerous for shoulders as it is unnatural. other miscles like that are pecs (flies/guilotine) and triceps (overhead extensions). look up occlusion training and stretch mediated hypertrophy for moar info.
bodybuilders look weird due to too big legs lats and pecs
Funny think that's would i was describing here
I do the same thing with dumbbell flyes. Actually do very little pressing for chest but my chest is bigger than ever from flyes.
I fricking love back day brehs
These things always hurt my shoulder but I do not understand why.
Try a neutral grip attachment.
Probably hurting yourself on the negative. If you can’t control the weight too well and the bar is rising fast, you can shoulder problems. Lower the weight and focus on the reps
why do this when pullups exist?
it's like doing leg press instead of squats
If you don't understand the benefits of leg press vs squats....... you will eventually.
Not really, it's a subtle difference. The cable gives consistent resistance, that hammer strength machine will be harder on the stretch, and easier at the top which can be better..
>mogs the cable machine