>Aim for strength increase to gain mass. >Size gives you strength potential do more volume with less intensity

>Aim for strength increase to gain mass
>Size gives you strength potential do more volume with less intensity
Which one is it bros? help a fren

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Strength first so you can lift with the full potential of your CNS. This would make any volume work your muscles being used rather than the motor pattern being too efficient.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This doesn't work because low volume training will result in less work capacity, so you won't be able to do high volume bb training.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Train for strength first to learn how to properly exert yourself, then, as you learn, cycle between strength and hypertrophy training. This should probably work better than sticking to only one type of training.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Double progression is the way to go. Start at sets of 5 and work your way until sets of 12, then increase the weight until you're at 5 reps. Its not either or, it's both.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds good

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When you train for size, you will get stronger. For a beginner there is functionally no fucking difference.

    The biggest point is you should have a plan and follow it, and keep track of your progress so you aren't fiddlefucking in the gym trying to remember how many sets of how many reps you did with what weight when. The exact program you use is irrelevant until you have been lifting for years and have already nearly hit your genetic maximum and need to really fine tune what muscles you're activating when and how.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you aim for strength, you will get stronger
    >if you aim for hypertrophy you will get bigger
    >but you will see more strength gains doing hypertrophy - 8 reps+ than you'd see hypertrophy on a strength routine - 5 reps
    >if you a do a pure strength 5 rep routine, you will end up disappointed with how you look

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you need a strength base first before training for hypertrophy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically. Most mass builders just get fat, get acne, and somehow look uglier than before

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The guy above is doing 5 more reps each exercise (30>25). Of course he's gonna be more ripped.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The two overlap until you achieve a base level of proficiency where development ceases to be linear. At this point you need to change training specification toward the goal you have.

    I’ll say this: 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps under 200 lb is a good base. And bodybuilding/training to look good as a natural is pointless. As a natural you can gain 70% of a steroid users strength, as a bodybuilder you won’t even achieve 30% of a steroid users physique.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >source: my ass

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    jfl @ retards doing 12 reps on everything

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hypertrophy training still gives you some strength
    Strength training won't give you hypertrophy.

    So you either get 100-50 or 0-100.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But surely training for strength first so that your hypertrophy training is at a higher level will be best? 8 reps 2pl8 bench must build more muscle than 8 reps 1pl8? And you’ll get to 2pl8 faster with strength training

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But surely training for strength first so that your hypertrophy training is at a higher level will be best?
        It should be the other way around so you get your work capacity up, train joints and ligaments due to increased blood flow, get muscles accustomed to working hard etc.
        >8 reps 2pl8 bench must build more muscle than 8 reps 1pl8?
        Not necessarily.

        Note that in some sports, just strength training is indeed indicated because they want to keep their weight down, eg. decathlon, gymnastics, hitting certain weight classes in combat sports etc. but for the average guy who just wants general fitness and aesthetics, hypertrophy is much better.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well I climb too so I guess strength is better for me then since I’ll want as much bang for my weight as possible

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What program is best for hitting 1/2/3/4 that isn’t SS/SL then? I’ve been doing Jeff Nipps pirated PPL for hypertrophy and while I’m getting bigger and have more endurance for reps I don’t feel much stronger.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don’t feel much stronger.
      What you feel doesn't matter. Did you increase the weights you lift? Then you became stronger, simple as.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    so many idiots pretending to know what they're talking about in this thread lmao and not a physique to be seen

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    rep range do not matter. i trained ohp with 1-2rm sets. then after months did a set of over 10reps which calculated was the same as my 1rm.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      only difference is the placibo effect from the pump

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fuck the amount of misinformation by dyels in this thread is insane. Honestly go and have a nice day if you think you should be posting your dyel low iq takes.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    And what is with the incessant questions about which beginner program to do? As a beginner everything works because your base is pretty everything works because your base is basically zero. No matter what kind of shitty “bodybuilding routine” you are doing you will look like a stick, muscle takes time to build, think in YEARS not weeks.

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