Any current or past alcoholics out there please listen, what was the point that saved you from the horrible cycle of drinking everyday and fixing your life? I drink a bottle of vodka a day, Im 30 years old. How do I escape this loop? Its terrible, but every time i plan to stop i make excuses like "ok ill start next Monday" but it ends up passing the time and it goes on. I always make excuses as to why I have to drink. Please Help me....
Go to the woods and drop acid
This.
Although the last time I quit, I took a bunch of NAC to save my liver a bit from being an alcoholic, and it made me not care whether I drank or not, so I kinda tapered to zero. Take that for what you will.
wtf does NAC do?
It protects your liver, i.e if you try to have a nice day by taking too much acetaminophen they give you IVs of NAC, also people who /fraud/ use it to protect their liver for oral cycles.
I noticed the effect before I looked it up, it kind of made it "boring" to drink instead of "awesome", and it felt like having to constantly shit instead of being awesome to drink a few beers.
I was an alcoholic though, and kept taking it, and just quit slowly, almost tapering vs cold turkey. I would make myself walk 3 miles, get only one beer, walk back and drink it, and get a lot of pleasure from walking and none from the beer.
There are studies about NAC helping with autism, OCD symptoms as well as addiction, though not gonna look it up now. I don't regularly take it now but I personally chalk that and exercise up to quitting booze. I can even "slightly drink" to be socially acceptable and not go off the rails, or go get 1 Guinness and enjoy it without going on a bender.
You feel that forever though, that itch. Its probably better to not drink because of that.
Just drink at this point, you've proven that you can handle it now.
I did mushrooms and stoped smoking and god fit as hell from lifting
I was surrounded by humanoid beings of golden light one looked at my right lung and then at me with a disappointed expression That shocked me so much that I decided to be worthy of that advice.
> The spirits in my head are trash talking to me on trips.
Based light bodies, spiritual realm (the realm you can only see in dreams, on trips and trance states) must be pretty based.
Unironically this but only once and make it a strong trip. I dropped last time and a couple of voices spoke about me rather than to me asking why I had come back again.
"He is too weak willed to do what needs to be done"
"No hes just not listening."
"Does he think we are playthings?"
I had tripped repeatedly for fun that summer sometimes asking for advice and on that last one they screamed
"We already told you all we know the first time. What have you done?"
I haven't drank or drugged since. They made me feel awful about abusing their presence. They love me and I thought they were just figments of my imagination to frick around with.
My body started going downhill, and the reality setting in that if I didn't stop I will die, possibly in a shitty way, I don't want to be on dialysis or have liver disease and cause the people that care about me watch me die early all because I refuse to stop getting drunk.
One thing that helped me was planning to quit temporarily. I told myself i would just go 2 weeks because that wouldve been a personal best, and after that i could start drinking again. Then I kept going to see how long I could go, pushing the goal farther and farther, and ended up with 4 months so far. Its a good way to trick yourself into staying sober because it feels more rewarding and less like punishment.
First of all you need to start today, so got vodka in the house? Pour it all out. Switch to a na beer as well, it will somewhat trick you into thinking you are drinking. This will help ween you off the booze. Another thing is to pair not drinking with positive habits and to curb whatever triggers cause you to drink. Doing this got me from a gallon of vodka a week to a case of beer a week.
This. Told myself to stop for the entire month, but only got 4 days in before caving. Sure I failed but that was 4 days sober. I saved money and felt great.
I found planning to quit temporarily did not instill the correct mentality in me. I've seen this with people doing "dry months" as a challenge.
Sure, it's great you stopped the booze. But you'll back on it as soon as you hit your goal. Your goal should never be to "stop drinking" it should be to replace drinking with healthy habits, and figure out why your brain is so fricked in the first place. If you don't do the mental work you're just a degenerate temporarily on leave.
I suppose that would be true if your goal was to be sober permanently, but if all you want is to reduce it helps a lot. I took a similar break from weed once, went from addict to no desire after my small quit. Not every tactic is going to work for everyone. Obviously though you should pair positive thing with not drinking to help you get off it.
This is where I'm at, about a month into a temporary break and thinking it might be forever. I don't really want it to be but that depends on whether I can have a few drinks every now and then and be normal about it. We'll see.
Some people will tell you to just have willpower and cold turkey. My advice is cope and crutch with whatever makes you feel good. For example instead of sitting in the dark gritting your teeth sober trying to resist a drink, smoke some weed or frick a hooker or watch porn. Any vice that doesn't actively injure your organs is preferable.
Eventually you'll get better going mechanisms like going for a run.
Can agree, distraction is key. I won't try to say dropping a weed habit is anywhere near as shitty feeling as dropping booze, but I can vouch that the former is made much easier by being too busy/entertained to ruminate on how badly you'd like to get back to it.
I drink a liter of wine every day and I will most likely commit suicide in a decade or whenever jaundice kicks in.
Hey anon. I’m 33 and was drinking a 0.5 litre bottle of vodka a day for a long time last year. I’ve always been a daily, heavy drinker, but things amped up during a prolonged unemployment streak due to covid. What kind of broke it was finally getting a job. For the first time in around decade I’ve been hitting the gym daily, sleeping normally and eating healthy. It’s only been a couple of weeks, but the three aforementioned things have really changed my depression. I was also stuck in that loop. Last bottle of vodka and pack of smokes today. Go out with a bang, get hammered and that’s it. Rinse and repeat next day. I didn’t do it, but you could try going to an AA meeting. For me at least, with the offer of a job and future I finally had something to work towards. Why do you drink? What’s your misery and what are you trying to escape? Maybe resolving that out could pull you out of your loop.
May need a doctor for detox if your withdrawals are bad
Call on the Lord for help and you will receive it
After 10 years hard drinking I finally went cold turkey 21 days ago. My liver tests show no long term damage, but one of my liver enzymes is elevated, indicating the liver itself is a bit inflamed. Thankfully should resolve and thank God I didn't get long term liver disease. Never drinking again.
For perspective i started drinking steadily in 2010. Started with weekend vibes, a few shots. Then over the next few years, maybe a pint on Thursday-Sunday. Over the next 5 years, progress to half a liter on weekends, then half a liter every day. Last year, half a liter daily plus more on weekend binges.
I'm honestly surprised I don't have cirrhosis, i actually chalk it up to the copious amounts of black coffee i drink. Google the link between coffee and alcoholic liver disease
Wow we basically have the same drinking stats anon. I’m about to try cold turkey tomorrow. Did you have any serious withdrawals? Also the black coffee thing made me laugh. Maybe that’s keeping me afloat
The coffee thing is truly legit. Search pubmed or norman Google articles.
I went cold turkey because i literally fell out of my chair and broke my face, and my parents found out in an alcoholic (my wife called them over). The shame was enough to make me stop.
No withdrawal symptoms. The hardest thing has been learning what to do when I get bored. A night wasn't a night unless i was buzzed/blacked out.
So instead I decided to get fit again, and started working out daily. That, plus going to bed early/walking up early had prevented me from relapsing.
Plus I installed the "i am sober" app, which let's me see how many calories and $$$ I've saved, plus i get to read the suicidal feed of users who have relapse (and i enjoy laughing at them).
Next step is to get some legit hobbies aside from gaming and exercise... Maybe camping or something.
Anyway good luck. Get some basic liver test labs and other basic labs to make sure your body is producing the cells it needs, and to see if your liver functions are ok. I recommend cbc, bmp, lfts, ggt, INR. ask your doc
Rough. I live alone, and I still wake up drowning in guilt. Good for you anon: getting fit again. I do cardio and kettlebell 6x a week but I wanna start actually lifting and obviously that's not going to happen drinking nightly. I've lost some weight over the last year or two but lately from getting buzzed/moronic I'll just raid the cabinets. I'll look into that app and MOST certainly a physical and blood test after quitting to see where I'm at.
I'm just tired of going on blackout autopilot grizzly bear attacking the fridge and pantry mode day in and day out
Quiting cold turkey put me in hospital with some fricking insane hallucinations after around 60 hours of no sleep, got given benzos and banana bags and wasn't allowed to leave. Be carefull, severe withdrawal usally starts more than 48 hours after you stop and it can kill you.
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If you get hammered alone you are beyond saving
Literally had to go to the hospital 3 times - 2 of which occurred within 2 months of eachother - to detox before I realized I had a major fricking malfunction
From my experience, you're just going to have to hit rock bottom before you truly grasp that alcohol makes your life worse if you drink it and that temporary feeling is NOT worth it. You'll eventually realize that you can not ever normally drink again and you'll have to give it up. Eventually you'll realize it's not that big of a sacrifice.
I'd honestly take a month off of work and check into rehab. It helped me tremendously. 4.5 years sober, drank 2 half-gallons of vodka every 3 days at my worst
witnessed two overdose deaths at rehab and when i got out i went straight back to drinking and then 6 months into that a friend killed himself because he couldnt quit and it made me realize i was on the same path which scared me enough to quit cold turkey. rock bottom is usually what makes people quit. or a really good rehab. get help for whatever makes you think you need to drink(usually depression,anxiety,OCD or add/adhd). im 3 years sober and still get the urge sometimes but its not hard to resist anymore
youll have to hit rock bottom before youre ready for change.
after you detox--the worse part, you need to find something to replace it with. for me, getting back into lifting has done that. I used to lift religiously 10 years ago, and then alcohol took me.
Now I feel great, look great, and I hope I never go back there.
There's alcoholics on both sides of my family, and I realized just how much I liked drinking. I wanted to succeed in life and I knew it would be harder if I didn't control myself. So now I only allow myself to drink at parties.
Anyone in your family die from alcohol? I find it interesting when people say their family is full of alcoholics, to but they're all old boomers who haven't died from liver failure
Funny enough cirrhosis only effects about 18% of heavy drinkers. There is a genetic component to it, and if you have a bunch of old alcoholics in your family you probably carry the correct genes to dodge a massive bullet in terms of permanent long lasting damage.
However any amount of heavy drinking will cause some degree of fibrosis over time. Early fibrosis can often reverse itself until it starts thatching over the liver, and at that point you're fricked.
That's not even considering the other organs effected. Wet brain is real, and your kidneys and pancreas get fricked up bad too. Alcohol is as dangerous as heroin.
Going into rehab tomorrow bros. They have a full boxing gym, planning on gaining ten pounds in a month
>150lbs 5’11
>33 years old
>daily drinker
>Tourette’s/ADHD/depressive bipolar/anxiety issues
had a loaded rifle mashed against the roof of my mouth in November and since then the anxiety has become unbearable but the drinking just makes it worse. Will I make it?
> Is 1 step away from pulling a trigger.
Anon, you got to change your attitude you weakling, you can't make it if you don't push yourself through hard situations, just don't do stupid shit like that.
I'd really recommend martial arts. There have been many nights I stopped after 1 drink or didn't start at all because I knew I'd be rolling with some dude the next day who I needed to be in top form to have a chance against, and that seemed more important.
Try to find somewhere with a coach who seems genuinely invested in his students, who will call you out if you miss too many classes or if you're not progressing as fast as you could be. You won't get this in the first few months, but just observe how he treats the higher belts.
Martial arts are also a damn-near perfect replacement for videogame addiction, which was more of an issue for me. They use up the same sort of energy. Same combination of reflexes and chess-style strategy, learning new moves and planning ways to combine them in real time, getting instant feedback about what works and what doesn't, boss fights you have to prepare for if you get to competition level.
I left everyone/everything I associated with my previous life of alcoholism and depression and moved across the country and got a completely new start. It's the only way you'll ever be free, is to truly reinvent yourself as a new, functioning non-alcohol addicted person.
But what if I live with my alcoholic gf who is a bartender
Well how big are her breasts/ass? That's what really matters
Her breasts are 10/10 mommy milkers. She doesn’t lift so the ass isn’t stellar but I lover her so much
I know bro. When I went out into the yard to retrieve the rifle afterward I was like.. surely it isn’t a live gun. Wrong. It was on fire, then I dropped the mag out and racked the gun “SURELY it wasn’t loaded” and a round flew out into the weeds. It was the real deal bro, gun in mouth thumb on the trigger. Add another 2-3lbs of pressure and I would’ve painted a Jackson pollock all over the side of our house while my GF was inside
I can’t believe that almost happened and I’ve been drinking even more since then to cope with my weakness. Thank god my girl is the real deal and didn’t call the cops
You realize no sane person talks like this in real life, right?
then it's surprising that she isn't disgusted by the "regulars" ie long term alkies that come through
Have a kid on the way. No way am I going to be some normie homosexual with a kid. Need to 10x my life for my son or daughter.
I never got that bad. I had a brief 3-4 month period where I was drinking way too much all the time but I never hit a bottle a day. Then I dialed it back but was still at like 18 measured drinks a week.
What saved me was realizing the damage it was causing. My cholesterol was high, blood sugar was borderline, I was overweight. It was obvious I was near the point of no return where real damage really kicks into high gear.
I got lucky and had no outward symptoms aside from sketch bloodwork. Got off the booze for 4 months and blood work returned to normal, lost 20 pounds, and decided to keep it going because I legitimately feel better without fricking my brain up 24/7.
I still drink on occasion. 1-2 beers at most in a week and usually as a treat. I don't feel the desire anymore to "keep going". Generally, I try not to drink every week and prefer to go months without it.
My best advice to you OP is get off the bottle slowly. You will need medical help if you're at a bottle a day. That's 25 full blown drinks if you're counting accurately, but if you're treating yourself to a few more you're in the danger zone. Do not cold turkey. If you don't want m help you need to titrate down over the course of 1-2 months. Use light beer to and cut down 1/2 the drinks every week. If you notice anything like the shakes you need to have someone drive you to the hospital for detox because you really can't solve that yourself.
Once you've gotten through that it's about getting and staying sober. I never found AA useful but I also wasn't to your level. What I did find is that getting rid of my drinking "buddies" and finding new friends in a healthy hobby helped me a lot to decondition. After my first month sober I focused a lot on my mind and what got me to that place in the first place. By fixing my mentality about alcohol, and discovering the pain I was treating with it, I was able to confront it head on. It was very hard but worth it. I never want to be there again.
>no /future
As a reminder why I’m quitting going to record myself drunk tonight. I’ve never done that before can’t imagine how bad they’re going to look.
Just get some coke stupid
i got into a fight and was too drunk to really fight back, realized its a waste of life so i quit.
i watched my whole family turn on me when i quit lmfao, dirty ass addicts. they can keep sucking the bottle if they want ive already quit helping them with anything that involves the consumption of alcohol. basically cut a few off permanently with that one stipulation since they drink all fricking day every day
8 years sober. I was in jail tripping balls and I realized every time I get arrested I’m high or drunk, thought about how sad I was making my mom. Go to AA, changed my life. Healthier than I’ve ever been, I love myself, every day is a positive challenge and I’m growing more than I’ve ever had in my life. Also I get lots of positive attention from everyone
>I drink a bottle of vodka a day
stop posting hyperbole
Dude you don’t believe that? Are you kidding? People are fricked
I told my Dr. about how much I drink and he seemed very concerned. Told me that liver cirrhosis is something that they used to only associate with old hard drinkers, but are seeing in people who aren't even 30 with increasing frequency. recently in our state apparently some pretty young guy died of acute necrotizing pancreatitis not too long ago.
I said i'm open to, and probably need professional help so he suggested me seeing an addiction specialist and to let him know when I want the referral. In the end, I haven't gone but have kicked the drink for 2 months so far. the first 2 weeks were the hardest, and then random urges to binge drink myself into an oblivion would pop up after that, but now I'm doing much better.
H-how much did you say you drink?
>liver cirrhosis is something that they used to only associate with old hard drinkers, but are seeing in people who aren't even 30 with increasing frequency
you need to lurk /misc/ more
6-12 strong beers/mikes hard type things on a regular night and until I black out on weekends. I'd keep a jug of vodka at home because I would control my drinking when out with people but get wasted after coming home so people wouldn't have to take care of me
my dad always told me as long as you're more on the 6 pack side than the 12 pack side you're good
true, my dr said >10 drinks per week is where risk really increases so moderation is key. i think it was the frequent blacking out that was more concerning
They're seeing it in people who aren't even 30 because the "deaths from despair" syndrome. A lot of people don't go to school (occupies time) have jobs that are challenging (occupies time) or have hobbies (occupies time). What they do have is a source of income, depression due to the shit world, and a bar down the street. Moreover people drink harder, and heavier, than they did in grandpappies day. A mixed drink at a club is usually 2-3 drinks. It's pretty easy to kill a bottle worth of booze that way.
Serious alcoholism and the conditions associated in people under 30 is a symptom of a culture of degeneracy and excess.
It wasnt a single moment. It was just the combination of hangovers, embarrassment, and knowing I was slowly killing myself. I started making plans and trying to wean myself off of it. Downloaded tracking apps, mood tracking apps, started trying to eat healthier etc. Then one time when I quit I didnt relapse. I just kept being sober. Its been 15+ months now. Still have shit days and I recently quit vaping which has been a b***h itself but Id rather be miserable and sober than miserable and drunk.
The shame factor really helps, nobody likes being around the guy in the group who drinks too much too often.
>Id rather be miserable and sober than miserable and drunk.
Something I've said to myself many a times and it genuinely works kek, I still drink beer but I don't get past the buzz, its like drinking coffee past the point where your heart will explode
I'm not even sure I could give you a good answer. I spent most of 2015-2021 lost down that hole after losing my waifu who had been by my side since I was 18.
AA never once helped me, those people have a very different set of conditions than me that make that environment work for them.
The sad truth of it is I'm pretty sure what got me to cold turkey and move beyond it starting last year was the acceptance of the fact that my worth in this world will probably only ever be to me and to myself, which used to be a big root to my depression.
Somehow that flipped and became the crux of my self restoration. I've never been a fan of new years resolutions (or frankly much that was goal oriented) But I got into the mood of wanting to give myself gifts. A clean mind was one of them, a good body another. Both of these led me right back to lifting and it has been a godsend. I look forward to my upper day and that's a very very good feeling to how I felt for years.
Writing off most everyone else's opinions helped a lot too. We've developed a highly amoral society, EVERYTHING in life boils down to allocation of your attention, so remember that to concern your self with anything at this point beyond your own self restoration is an absolute waste of attention.
And as always, remember
To thine own self be true
Seek no counsel among the impious.
>main character syndrome level 100
>he doesn't believe he is the main character
Lol
I got more drunk than i have ever remained standing for and made a complete tit of myselt infront of many people, almost lost two very good friends and my girlfriends in one night.
Now the cringe keeps me from getting drunk.
story time
My dad was a heavy drinker.
Told him he couldn't see the grandkids anymore unless he cut back to 11 drink a week.
It worked.
Frick alcohol and drinking culture
Finishing my last five cans of Calsberg and a splash of gin tonight and going cold turkey tomorrow. Frick this shit booze turned me into an insufferable homosexual and is slowly replacing the 70 lbs I lost
for me it was a healthscare. i had been sick of the WD anxiety and head fog for a long while but one day i woke up and my back was killing me and i had stabbing pains in my chest. i was 29 and that was it. figured if i continued i was gonna die and i want to live.
This book helped me. Go read the reviews on Amazon if you need convincing
I was like you, drinking a bottle a day, then I descended into the puts of hell, stuff like drinking mouthwash when I couldn't get skoal.
You have to turn to God man. At least I had to. It's going to suck so bad at first when you stop. I saw rats running all over my room/ no sleep for Days, thought the cops were coming to kill me ect. If you're really at a 5th a day, allow yourself to start withdrawing pretty hard, like hr over 130bpm, bad shakes all that, and then go to the er and tell them what's up.
They'll get you right.
Join a gospel preaching church and turn to the Lord Jesus. He will save you anon, I promise. He saved me. Lift 4 or 5 days a week. Put on the full Armor of God, anon.
Think of how you are now. Do you want this to be the rest of your life? Mornings don't have to hurt. You don't have to wake up shaking. You can't feel things you don't even remember, like peace and self respect and confidence.
Allow the Christ to break the cords of sin binding you.
Drink more. You will stop when you´ve had enough
Now that's fatalism I can get behind.
Hop on the k train and start taking kratom twice a day, killed my rum urges (and I had very strong rum urges). Your tolerance will go down of course but you can taper off, take a break, ramp back up, etc. It's much cheaper than alcohol in the long run and so much better on your body and psyche. Note that you most likely will develop a slight....addiction/dependence but frick it, better than drinking half a bottle of rum every night (so many empty calories!)
> stop drinking alcohol to avoid permanent liver damage
> replace it with kratom and get permanent liver damage
are you moronic?
How is alcoholism even real bro like just close you mouth lol like literally just don't buy it haha