All natties secretly want to roid but are just too cowardly to do it
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All natties secretly want to roid but are just too cowardly to do it
I don’t really any point in being overly muscular if you want pussy just spend a month learning basic guitar chords and singing tbh
Correct.
>Doesn't get pusst
Obviously
>All natties secretly want to tank their testosterone production, shrink their balls, and eventually troon out but are just too cowardly to do it
roiding is gay
Most women would prefer the 3rd physique. It looks deceptively easy to attain natty, but most natties around the same lean mass will be holding too much water and lacking that tight, compact look.
He is already on roids there.
That's why he said
>It looks deceptively easy to attain natty,
>Most women would prefer the 3rd physique.
You mean the “first cycle” look?
>Most women would prefer the 3rd physique
Most women are 100% fine with any of the upper 3 physiques.
He already on first cycle on third pic anunsaan
I don't even know if this is satire anymore. Just in case it's not, the guys at the top look way better. If you inject chemicals brewed by some chink in his bathroom to compensate for your insecurities, you are beyond mentally ill.
I don't want to age, I don't want to be overly muscular, and I don't want to bully my family members out of roid rage
>ib4 you're gay
Yes I am and it's 100% okay
im already cycling creatine
I'm not too cowardly, I want to achieve 1 2 34 natty then do steroids and do the high rep shit
Too be honest though what's the point
I cam get girls now the way I look
Who cares
no shit sherlock
I don’t want to stay poor and low class so I am not going to roid. I will make it as a natty for sure.
The best way out of low class poverty is to roid and become a male prostitute. Are you even trying?
Whenever I ponder it, I remember how ridiculous roid trannies look and that you can never get off it or you'll deflate and look terrible.
Also, I'm not a dirt cheater.
Is this all the same guy? He should have stopped at pic 3
I like lifting weights and just do it because it feels good, not because I'm trying to turn myself into a gay 90s action movie man
I want to be fast,strong with a healthy,normal testosterone production with a normal sized scrotum perfectly capable of reproducing. performance enhancement drugs can give you rippled skin,shrunken genitals and a defective cardiovascular system,along with the fact that you'll have to stick to them for life,further exacerbating the negative effects overtime if you truly want to maintain that look and strength,for what purpose? Then there's the fact that not everyone is going to achieve above average results no matter what kind of stack they're taking,they'll just end up looking like a natty who's been on an excellent training regime for over 5 years.
What if you are already low test? I am on the lower end of what cucked eu medicine calls “normal testosterone levels”
The best I can hope for without roids is lookinf like a lesvian
well that's another difficult situation entirely,blame your parents for either not feeding/raising you correctly or the subhuman genetics they might have cursed you with. But in all reality as a natural you'll take longer to achieve certain levels of strength than others,but in the end its worth avoiding being permanently dependent on a drug to maintain your looks along with its inevitable detrimental effects on the body.
You can significantly raise your test by simply doing high test things. As your hormones get in order it'll get easier to do high test things and you'll want to do them more.
It'll take a longer time but it's absolutely doable.
which also raises estrogen via aromatisation lmao
moron
They've studied this and higher testosterone is not correlated with more hypertrophy in naturals.
There is literally NO reason to worry about having low test if you do not
A. already live a life of optimal sleep, excercise and nutrition (you don't)
and
B. experience the symptoms of low test (no morning wood, lethargy, brain fog)
If neither of the above apply, you're either unhealthy because of your lifestyle which you are perfectly capable of correcting, or you "low test" is literally nothing more than a number on a paper which influences your life in no way and that you never would have cared about if you didn't let scientists draw your blood. You do not have hypogonadism. You are a hormonally healthy male twisted by neurosis and cope into a crude mockery of nature's imperfection.
Wrong. Subpar response to training can be partially due to subclinically low test. Just because your balls are healthy doesn't mean they're producing optimal levels of test. Same goes for the thyroid. I agree with A and B though, with the exception that you don't need to experience all symptoms of low test. One or more symptoms can already be enough. But yeah, if you have literally no other symptom than responding poorly to training, it's probably not your test. But lifestyle changes should still get you from 200-300 to at least 400-500.
>They've studied this and higher testosterone is not correlated with more hypertrophy in naturals.
Between different people. It says nothing about an individual going from 200 to a normal T level. Also when trying to correlate T to muscle size gains for multiple people you run into a frickton of confounding variables (like free T, shbg, dht, genetics, androgen receptor density and sensitivity, etc). If you just look at an individual, those confounders get massively reduced. A guy with 200 T who doesn't progress will make significant gains when he hops on TRT.
>Between different people
Yes, that's the point. That absolute test values don't mean you're low test, it's all relative to the individual's baseline. It's why
> an individual going from 200 to a normal T level
is nonsense, because whether 200 is normal or not depends on the guy.
>confounding variables (like free T, shbg, dht, genetics, androgen receptor density and sensitivity, etc)
Yes, again, that's the point. You can't say 200 is abnormal or not, you need to check symptoms. What's correct is
> an individual going from a lower T level to a higher one
which is what's happening when guys hop on TRT, regardless of whether their baseline is 100 or a 1000. It's not about 200 being good or bad, it's about increasing it on an individual making them stronger. Obviously increasing test will make on have more gains, but this whole conversation was about whether people like
with low natural test numbers are making less gains than people with high natural numbers - and the thing is, his number itself doesn't matter. Whether he needs suplementation or not is dependent on symptoms.
The confounding variables mean that a correlation study of T and response to training won't produce any significant result. You can't conclude anything about whether or not someone's T is low or just is at his baseline from such a study. That's the point.
I'd say someone is at his baseline if he doesn't have any symptoms and lifestyle improvements can't increase his T.
For the vast majority of men, the number doesn't matter if it's at least about 500. The reference ranges have been lowered over the years because men have been continuously getting fatter and unhealthier, and their symptoms classified as "normal".
>They've studied this and higher testosterone is not correlated with more hypertrophy in naturals.
Can confirm, I ahve been low as frick in test because of a Vit D deficiency and I NEVER had any trouble gaining muscle or strength.
I had, however, lots of trouble with high body fat, weird fetishes like traps and general depression. That, for me, is low test.
Hop on TRT its the best decision i made this year.
Pinning doesn't hurt at all with insulin syringes and the whole thing is cheap if you buy UGL.
I had 200 total test now i have 1000 taking 150mg testc and 500iu hcg a week. There are no sides if you don't abuse it and go over the range.
Everyone mired me at family gathering for Christmas for the first time even though i had been lifting for years before that.
I only started on September and my bench which had been stuck at 120kg for 2 years jumped to 145kg.
Life is too short to be low test.
>UGL
What does it mean?
Underground lab
Oh. Well I am not american so I’m fricked. I live in Hungary, Eu member state, two doctors I went to said they won’t prescribe it to me since “trt causes men to become sterile” after taking 150 euros each. Afaik private UK and US labs can’t give you valid prescriptions, and I am too ignorant to dose and test myself regularly
Bro just search around the web, there's UGL's that send internationally
What R some good ugly brands
>Bro just search around the web
What am I searching for? I see hundreds of reddit posts saying their ugl is totally legit bro, but anyone posting links gets instantly banned. Every other result is some completely unrelated website
Afaik for this kind of thing you're supposed to DM them asking for the link. Never done it myself, and I think you're supposed to use Onion/TOR when buying drugs online, but fairly sure you can be DM'd links without problems.
There are sites that just review steroid shops like eroiders you can look there.
Im using mobile data so idc if i get banned so I will spoonfeed you. i picked hilma biocare because it was shipping out of Europe
The main site has a distributor verification so you can check which shop is legit or not
>hilma biocare
The .com one? Thanks man
>posts a roider
Lmao. Listen to his interview about roids and his cancer. Every buff dude in the 70s 80s 90s was juiced up.
Apart from also being literal troony behaviour. Roiding is just moronic. The ones who make it to 40 are then just going to lose it all (or guaranteed die) and get depressed that they went bald, killed their test and balls and became tiny and wrinkly at 40 to impress men, while natty chads are still doing pull-ups and fricking daddy issue alt girls at 80
tbh i am perfectly satisfied being 200lbs @6‘0 natty benching 3.5pl8 while being light enough to run 10-15k regularly, doing handstands and muscle ups. I wouldnt trade a few kg of muscle for health, longevity, agility and endurance
Also every long term roider has fricked up skin which would freak me out completely lol
I do want to be bigger.
I do not want to inject myself with some gay-ass hormone altering chemicals.
>All natties secretly want to roid but are just too cowardly to do it
you are literally mentally ill if you think bottom pics look better.
top right is the best physique BY FAR. its not even close.
But top right is on roids so what is ur point really? This is why doing low doses of roids is enough to trick dumb normies like you, even you being on a IST anonymous image board you think that guy is natty on top right.
Just gets to show how naive people are.
i'm very glad how bad roiders look today. delts overshadoing arms and legs overshadoing waist just isn't a good look for any sane people, neither is this super lean and dry look. if roiders still looked like back in the day, focused on proportion, still had that certain fullness to their muscles and that healthy looking glow to their skin, way more people would consider roiding. just compare pic related to bottom row in the op pic.
That guy would look like Ops image if he dieted down to single digit bodyfat%. Having more bodyfat doesnt magically make roids safer
wow a handful of genetic elite famious roiders still look good while juicing, newsflash moron 99% of people will look like shit because it will frick up something sooner or later like hairloss, aged face, roid gut, acne.
Guy you posted looks like Arnold who always had garbage proportions - chest and biceps comically oversized, shoulders and traps too small. OP guy looks better though you have a mental illness to take it to that level
Every roider tells you not to roid
Yes they look huge and aesthetic, yes it mogs natty lifting, but what if I just don’t want to roid? What if the risks aren’t worth the results? It’s not fear, but a level head assessment of pros/cons.
yeah, we are pussies to not sacrifice our organs, natural hormone production, hair and skin to look like an unnatural roidtroony.
what happened to his chest?
looks like a sternotomy scar.
No that’s not it, I just literally don’t know where to get them. I live in a small town and the only gym here is filled with old people. Woe is me
>cowardly
you mean informed, ftfy op, now you can return to sucking roidtroony wiener
only gay men find bottom physique attractive
When people say "roids" they are talking about every thing ou just testosterone?
i'm on just cipionate and is going great for me, i've tried sustanon but i didnt felt much results.
>crops out +10 years aged face and receded hairline
kek
how come roid trannies always try to project their body dysmorphia on normal people?
you are mentally ill disgusting freaks, frick off and kys
I don't like needles, so no
Not scared, just don't have a plug and I've got no clue what it would cost so I can't make a decision
I have a family history of cardiovascular disease, many men in my family have not made it past 50 and my uncle, who is only 14 years older than me, has already had a stroke and a heart attack and is now disabled. I want to roid and I am reckless with other drugs but it would be fricking stupid for me to do. Even just high test or actual TRT would increase my risk of cardiovascular disease. I don't know if you want to call that cowardly, the risk/benefit ratio just isn't appealing. Besides, I already get harassed by gays and don't want to attract more attention from other men.
That roid body is definitely desirable, but that’s also hard work that most people don’t have the willpower for even if they are blasting PEDs. If your love in life is building your physique you might as well roid at some point. For me lifting is a passion for different reasons.
Yes i wish i could build that much muscle without fricking up my health but that's impossible, it's just not worth it for me i already have a decent body that i'm satisfied with, girls i frick are impressed and get dripping wet from touching my aesthetic body. The things is famous and rich celebs roiding know that's it's not worth too but they can afford a nice life with top of the line medical treatment, and they simply go on trt if anything goes wrong.
In a fitness industry saturated with roidtrannies what u as a poorgay who only has 9-5 to support u gonna do if blasting fricks ur body up and can't get a kidney liver heart replacement ?
Most gym rats can take a cycle of test > cycle of test + dht + gh and be huge. You just don't do 4-5 grams of shit. Were not trying to look like Nick walker or Dallas mcgarver. The morons doing deca, tren, over a gram of test and ignoring all harm reduction protocols are the ones that are fricked. And yes you can still have health issues at a lower dose of gear but I seriously doubt one would get something like DVT or kidney failure from 500mg test for 12 weeks. Yes the risk is still there.
What are some good brands of decca and test. Underground
What's the safest PED stack and yearly schedule for attaining the top-right physique?
This is true, and then when you ask their goal physiques generally speaking they show physiques of people that are using lmao
just one cycle 😉
Your post seems silly but I don't mind reposting one of my earlier posts from today
>it is not worth the chemical hassle
One of the reasons to enjoy lifting is because it is so beautifully simple. Even routines and programming are piss easy, and for most of us, our only genuine competition is our self. Very few of us partake in powerlifting meets and even fewer actually step on stage. Ruining the simplicity of it by introducing roids is a whole different beast, since now not only do you need to educate yourself on how to lift properly but also steroids, their side effects and how to counter them. So to me, roids rob you of the simplicity of lifting. Also
>the undisputed negative side effects
>dependency on pharmaceuticals
The moment you walk the path of the roids you become dependent on roid dealers and the international pharmaceutical supply chain. Not only that but most cases will find you buying sketchy, underdosed or inferior products from criminals. If you want all that kind of hassle be my guest.
>I'll just run a cycle to reach my natty limit then stop
You are not the first to attempt this seemingly simple solution and you definitely won't be the last. The high you'll get off of the hormonal boost combined with the incredible confidence boost from increased numbers, more intense sessions and better physique will have you hooked in no time
Cont.
This is where we get even more subjective
>the psychological factor
To me, roids rob you of one of the most important aspects of lifting. The absolute gratification of seeing what you are capable of. The moment you introduce roids to the mix any kind of progress is immediately attributed to the steroids. New PR? It's thanks to the roids. Another inch on your biceps? It's thanks to the roids. Progress will never truly be your own ever again. You might argue that this one is due to my autistic obsession but it's a lot more prevalent in the vast majority of people. It is why everyone from your regular gym rat to wrestlers and hollywood stars never admit to roids. Because they will be labeled as a chemical freak with peas for nuts. If you can handle the personal or social stigma then the choice is yours.
>I genuinely believe peak natty physiques look more aesthetic
This one is completely subjective and you can wholeheartedly disagree. But to me the leathery red skin, the varicose veins, the bulging traps and delts, the roid gut and the huge muscles look like shit. It screams heart failure. I'd much rather look like picrel than CBum, or Sam Sulek or any other roider. The only exception being golden age era bodybuilders, whose physiques I definitely mire. But even then, a physique like theirs wouldn't be worth everything I've mentioned so far.
You can reply with as many tl;drs or muh greek statue you want, won't fix the fact that your balls don't work
>To me, roids rob you of one of the most important aspects of lifting. The absolute gratification of seeing what you are capable of. The moment you introduce roids to the mix any kind of progress is immediately attributed to the steroids. New PR? It's thanks to the roids. Another inch on your biceps? It's thanks to the roids. Progress will never truly be your own ever again.
this logic can be applied to the invention and application of the cotton gin, automobile, or internet.
>ctrl+f roid gut
>2 matches
those are rookie numbers
What's the point of these bait threads? Getting (You)?
Roidtrannies will never look as good as a muscular natty.
and all roiders secretly want to be women but are scared of being ugly
Thats like saying cripples with fake legs are trannies
“Roided body” is a normal healthy male body and how we used to look like before estrogen and test-supressant in our food and water
It is literally counteracting a poison
MORTY HOLY SHIT MORTY GET TO THE SHIIIIIIPPPPP MORRRRTTYYYY PROFESSOR RUMPUS GOT THE DRUNGALUNGA AND HES GONNA KILL BETH MOOOOORRRRRTTTYYYYYY *BURRRRP*
He looks best in the black and white shot.
Is it weird that I want to frick and cuddle with the one on the bottom right?
Nah, I'm alright.
I've already been accused of roiding while being a natty.
I cannot comprehend the mental illness required to destroy your own hormones for ephemeral gains.