alright guys, be honest with me.

alright guys, be honest with me. is the trap bar deadlift actually safer than straight bar deadlifts, in that they are harder to fuck up and ruin your back with?

>inb4 they are not the same exercise and hit the quads a little more than deadlifts
yes i know but i don't care about that, i need an exercise for my entire posterior chain that i can go heavy on safely
>inb4 regular deadlifts are perfectly safe if you keep correct form
i'm worried about destroying my back if my form is even a little bit off, and i want to minimize the risk of injury if i'm being a retard in the gym

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hurt my back with one of these in highschool and because of that I don't do deadlifts or squats. Fucked my shit up literally for years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dang, sorry to hear that. how did you fix your back?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just as easy to herniate a disc with from bad form with trapbar deads as it is with a straight bar. Yes you will have less back angle but you'll be using more weight which if you don't have a neutral spine and don't know how to brace can be dangerous.

      I imagine it's harder to have the bar out of alignment with your back with the hexbar. With it further back than a bar can allow, you're more likely to pull with your glutes than going back first. I say as a rando on the internet. I don't remember, but I feel like you sacrifice something for the easier movement, but nothing obvious comes to mind. It's not retardproof, but it's retard retardant

      Take up knitting.

      >stand in the center of the weight
      >stand straight up without having to go around knees
      >weight is more balanced, not pulling you forward
      >grip is neutral off to the side, good wrist and shoulder position
      Hex bar is superior in every way. Anyone who disagrees is just a purist boomer who also works 1 muscle group a day, once a week.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you forgot
        >glorified leg press

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >picks up a weight off the ground using your whole body
          NICE LEG PRESS gay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its not a hip hinge.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yea, yea it is you dork

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >needs a special snowflake bar to pick up the weight

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >lifting with safer technique makes you a pussy, real men blow out their disks and get 4 hernias just to say I picked up 600 pounds using a straight piece of metal

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >real men blow out their disks and get 4 hernias
                Just brace lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just brace harder
                >just use less weight
                >just get your form perfect and never slip ever
                >just go slower
                >just change 8 things about your lift instead of using a more ergonomic bar because the purists will be mad and say mean words
                None of you have made an argument why straight bar is better. It's just mega cope from all of you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Straight bar is better because
                >it's a hinge whereas trap bar is "squattier"
                >you don't need to purchase a second bar
                >trap bar is just as injurious, possibly moreso thanks to the bar being able to shift around your body

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for properly defending your position with a good argument. I've hurt myself with straight and hex bar so they're not magical by any means. Bad form will get you no matter what.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Amen to that. That's not to say that the hex bar doesn't have a place, but your main deadlift should be further on the "hinge" side of the squat-hinge spectrum.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah, you don't know how to deadlift. Say no more.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t.the boomer gay I was talking about

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your description criticizing the deadlift exposed you. You aren't deadlifting properly if the bar is pulling you forward and you have to deadlift "around your knees." Unironically humble yourself.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're literally holding a bar in front of you and start with it under your knees. It doesn't take a physicist to realize what's going on with your body. Also I'm short, straight bar works better with height.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When you hinge at your hips and press with your legs, you straighten out and the bar doesn't need to go around your knees. You also shouldn't feel like you're being pulled forward. A good deadlift feels like an upward expression of force.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >feel like you're being pulled forward
                You have to lean back when you stand up. If you stand straight, as you would with no weight, you fall forward. Therefore, the weight pulls you forward and you fight to balance it. As opposed to hex bar which allows you to stand in a 100% natural, neutral position, hands and shoulder included.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You have to lean back
                You're digging the hole deeper. You aren't deadlifting properly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you don't lean back at all at the top of your deadlift
                I bet you also look straight ahead when you squat, with a shoulder wide, toes forward stance

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. There's a difference between acceptable anatomical form deviation and just butchering the form in a way that can hurt you. You're doing the latter and then blaming the movement.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry but I'm not even that guy and you're confusing the hell out of me. A good deadlift is a strict up and down motion? Maybe we have different proportions, I have zero leverage in the hole unless I lean back a little bit going up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >deadlifts are FREAKIN AWESOME dude it's just so RAW and PRIMAL to pick something up off the ground and you can load it with SOOOO much weight lol it really strokes my ego to pull 4pl8 when I have 13 inch arms
        >here's a lift that does all of those things, but even more
        >NOOOOOOO IT DOESNT COUNT WAHHHHHHHH
        hex dl is no more a perversion than sumo is btw
        >so a perversion
        Sure, just be consistent

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like deadlifts because they make you use your back really hard. I'm not shitting on trap bars deadlift but it doesn't do that near as well because it's a squat. It can't be superior or inferior because it's not the same type of thing.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's just as easy to herniate a disc with from bad form with trapbar deads as it is with a straight bar. Yes you will have less back angle but you'll be using more weight which if you don't have a neutral spine and don't know how to brace can be dangerous.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I imagine it's harder to have the bar out of alignment with your back with the hexbar. With it further back than a bar can allow, you're more likely to pull with your glutes than going back first. I say as a rando on the internet. I don't remember, but I feel like you sacrifice something for the easier movement, but nothing obvious comes to mind. It's not retardproof, but it's retard retardant

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Take up knitting.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overcome your fear

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is that with every other muscle group, people want to make it stronger, but then avoid exercises that activate their lower back like the plague and try to find alternatives to keep it weak and undertrained?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Girls don't give a fuck about your lower back bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >turn 30
        >"BAAAWW I HAD TO QUIT LIFTING BECAUSE MUH BACK I USED TO BE STRONG LIKE YOU YOUNG MAN BLABPABLA"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >caring about what women think
        women don’t care about most aspects of both your body and personality. Doesn’t mean you should walk around being dogshit

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the general consensus is that its safer, because it keeps your natural centre of gravity, whereas a deadlift moves it slightly forward. there is also virtually no training required to master the movement which makes it inherently safer, kinda hard to fuckup standingup.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i'm worried about destroying my back if my form is even a little bit off, and i want to minimize the risk of injury if i'm being a retard in the gym

    then don't go fucking hard at it. do what you feel is comfortable. its not like you'll lose out on a gold medal cause you don't do deadlifts.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mainly use the trap bar when deadlifting, but I do it and Romanian DLs with the straightbar once or twice a week.
    Both are fun.
    When in doubt OP, do both.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i've been deadlifting for 20 years and ive never once hurt my lower back doing it. As long as you aren't being a retard and maxing out you will be fine.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i need an exercise for my entire posterior chain that i can go heavy on safely
    rack pulls and hamstring curls

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Technically deadlift is more dangerous because off center. In reality you can't just willingly hurt yourself like that. If you did you'd know it on account of never walking again. What you'll actually do is just get back pain, which isn't even real. It's simply a good way for your stress to manifest physically right now. Used to be stomach ulcers before we collectively got over them by knowing they're just stress. The insidious bastard moved to our backs.
    And keep in mind that if you don't believe me then the deadlift will me more likely to cause said pain just because you believe it so.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >back pain isn't real
      Where can I send your medal for the dumbest comment in the thread?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Send it to Dr Sarno.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sent.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What you'll actually do is just get back pain, which isn't even real.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      H. pylori and people wrecking their gut microbiome because of haphazard antibiotic prescribing practices was and continues to be a problem. Also H2 antagonists do wonders now so people can fix or at least mask the underlying issue(s).

      https://i.imgur.com/5kGC0bS.jpg

      Send it to Dr Sarno.

      I knew you were going to mention this hack.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well he is the one who published a book on the nature of back pain. If he's a hack then I'm walking around with a herniated disk or something and not even feeling it and we just need to start placebo effecting everyone's injuries.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anyone can publish a book on anything, it’s not like this was a peer-reviewed study or anything. The medical fields do not take tension myositis syndrome seriously because it is not supported by empirical data. I know you’ll retort that it’s Big Pharma protecting their monies but I’m just telling you the facts friend.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care about what his peers think. I don't know them. I've self reviewed it and my back doesn't hurt anymore.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I know it to be true because it feels true
              We’ve got a brainiac in our midst.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't know that this fixes back pain because it fixed my back pain?

                >I'm walking around with a herniated disc and not even feeling it
                That's not at all unusual, disc damage doesn't correlate that well with pain. Most people probably have some sort of degenerated disc that is completely asymptomatic, it's more a radiographic findings than a reliable indicator of pain

                Whatever it was (it was tension myositis syndrome), I felt it for the 10 years prior every time I tried to bend forward.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm walking around with a herniated disc and not even feeling it
          That's not at all unusual, disc damage doesn't correlate that well with pain. Most people probably have some sort of degenerated disc that is completely asymptomatic, it's more a radiographic findings than a reliable indicator of pain

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The hexlift is more dangerous if you do not know how to hinge/pull properly. You learn how with a conventional barbell.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t this more of a squat than a deadlift though?

    That said I’m starting to deadlift and I have to admit I’m getting concerned for my back as the weight increases. Only at 200 lbs yesterday and I can see how it gets difficult. I started really low weight and have been incrementally increasing and couldn’t imagine it getting difficult but now I do. I even recorded my lifts yesterday to check form and saw that the small of my back was rounded. Nervous about this lift bros.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Early 30's here, I use the trap bar for deadlifts and don't give a fuck what others think. In reality, most people do not care what you are doing in the gym, provided it's normal.
    I like trap bar deadlifts as it is easier on my back and better alignment. I'm not going to compete so I do what is more comfortable.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m gay.
    What was the question again?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the hex bar only because i don't like it when the normal bar scrapes my leg, but then again I rarely deadlift anyway because its too easy to fuck up your back doing it

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