Not sure if this should be posted here or IST. But can we have a thread about ancient fitness? What kind of workouts did they have? There was no way to get real swole since there was no steroids? Although I would say their diets were way better. Do you think you would work out if you lived in ancient times?
IST is a bunch of tradcath larping zoomers
but wouldn't that be gay?
but /misc/tards be like "nuh uuhh the israeliteS invented greek homoeroticism!!1!"
Homosexuality has always been a bourgeois perversion. It makes sense that the Greek aristocracy was rife with homosexuality. That is a pol take though.
pederasty is different from tru homosexualry. i mean some pederasts are just gay pedos but many of them are just like ifbits pretty frick it so they go only for cute and smooth males... pederasty is trad and bad unless it is jut two teenagers gayging around. trugays are simply born that way like left handed people are. they are mostly masc4masc types. fruity bottom ones are most often trannoid like and might transition in future. modern gay identity is mostly result of fight for dignity of people who are not "heteronormative". language to advocate for it needed to be invented. it caused both good and bad things. good is gays being way less oppressed bad is muddying up understanding of human sexuality...
Nice cope, homo
You are right, homoheroticism is an high practice of the aristocracy since we can appreciate highness and glamour.
Now come back to your ugly stuff and pleb dirt you commie moron.
It is better to be attracted by same sex people rather than being a slob and a comunist
Just because I despise the israeli elite does not make me a communist.
So why did you attacked the aristocracy and the bourgeoisies who aren't israeli (ancient and medieval ruling classes weren't israelites in any way and simply owning your business or your farm doesn't make you israeli, you moron).
Also study a bit of National Socialist history (nobleman, buisness owners, artisans and farmers were an essential part of Germany at time) and quit the Marxist rhetoric. The last guy that thought in that way end up like a commie and also a trannie. Quit instantly this mindset
Frick the aristocrats and bourgeoise. Tho i admire their height gains
Take a shower, you commie pleb, due to your slave morality you will never be the Nietzschean Übermensch, also due to your class conflict moronation you aren't a real National Socialist and you will never be (even doe I respect the working class when it is nice to me. Do some research about class collaborationism).
greek statues are my goal physiques
didnt take long for the statuecels to show up.
Who cares what morons did 2000 years ago.
You have access to modern gyms, training and nutrition and you're all still fat and dyel.
So you think if someone just "redpills" you on LE BASED SPARTAN TRAINING AND LENTIL DIET you'll get jacked by playing with your toy lightsaber in the backyard for 20 minutes while the neighbors report you to the FBI for being the next incel shooter.
i'm not raising a cow & lifting it every day if that's what you mean
the only thing that matters is if you actually go to the gym or believe doing meme routines at home will get you IST
Holy shit have a nice day.
>Who cares what morons did 2000 years ago
study history or the world is a mystery. make intellectual gains
it's just a curiosity. this is one area in which we actually don't have anything to learn from the past
Do you have any reasoning to support that statement
that barbells work better than carrying cows or running around in armor?
So because modern free weights are superior to bovine you've came to the conclusion that there's nothing we can learn about physical fitness from the past
dumbbells and kettlebells existed in antiquity and are arguably more effective than most modern machines, and modern people still do ridiculous shit that is ineffective. why cling to ignorance?
you're a larper
>dumbbells and kettlebells existed in antiquity and are arguably more effective than most modern machines
yet less effective than barbells
>why cling to ignorance?
I'm not ignorant, I know enough to know there's nothing there. Why cling to antiquated obsolescence
>yet less effective than barbells
less effective at what?
people still use dumbbells and kettlebells, to great effect.
a barbell-only workout is simply an incomplete workout.
>yet less effective than barbells
The ONLY think BB is more effective at than DB are olympic lifts, which you can still do. Anything else you can do with DB plus unilateral movements.
DB are unironically superior and more hellenic.
wrong. even if the people in the past had bad ideas about something, it is still useful to see these patterns as they usually reflect and illuminate the bad ideas we have about things now
>You have access to modern gyms, training and nutrition and you're all still fat and dyel.
training and nutrition is a meme. follow any non-moronic routine with some kind of progressive overload and eat a non-goyslop diet with a significant amount of protein, and you will achieve 95+% of the results you'd get autistically counting macros and following the most scientifically optimized routine
Second this. The human body is excellent and adapting to stimulus when you give it the right building blocks. Lift a non-moronic routine at least 3x week. Do at least 2hr LISS each week. Focus on progressive overload. Eat a good portion of either meat, fish, or eggs with each meal. Other calories come from whole foods with the least processing possible. Sleep well and consistently. Your body will tell you what it needs and you can be intuitive within these constraints. These simple steps are literally all you need to make it.
Is the bro split ok to start off with, I have kind of been wandering from machine to machine and getting by tbh.
Any split can work. The key is to push yourself close to failure with every set and make sure you are progressing. If you aren’t progressing despite diet/sleep being good, look at making small changes to your current routine. If that doesn’t work, consider a different routine. If you are a beginner, I would recommend a push/pull split like this but it is really up to you:
Day 1: Pull
Hinge (eg deadlifts)
Vertical pull (eg lat pull-down)
Horizontal pull (eg barbell rows)
Curl (eg standing DB curls)
Day 2: Push
Squat (eg barbell back squats)
Vertical push (eg OHP)
Horizontal push (eg bench)
Shoulder isolation (eg lateral raises)
If you like using machines, just do machine variations of all the movement patterns. It doesn’t matter. The key is training close to failure during the workout, recovering well between workouts with good diet and sleep, and progressing your lifts each workout.
To be fair they didn't trained for the sake of getting more muscular, but they trained either for practicing sports like pankratio or boxing in public gymnasiums or for becoming professional athletes that would take part in the Olympic games or as part of military training.
Ancient Greek training was focused on resistance and for sure we know they practiced running, jumping, push ups, pull ups, chin ups and they lifted weight either made of stone or metal or they even lifted animals.
Their diets were better than ours because their food was healthier than ours and lacked of microplastics in our food and goyslop wasn't created yet.
OP isn't that moronic, bodybuilding was born in XIX century with the prupose to get as muscular as ancient Greek statues, just he doesn't probably realised that he can't go around lifting cows in today's society
That's a very modern way of looking at it. Everything the greeks did was geared towards beauty, be it sculpture, sports, food, demonstrated virtue, and even philosophy. And with that healthy, beautiful lifestyle, they naturally looked beautiful. Compared to modern bodybuilding which focuses almost exclusively on exercise and micronutrient intake.
They understood aesthetics on a level we have a hard time grasping in the modern era. I almost want to label this idea with a name and start a general for it, it's something that would trend well.
aesthleticism
there i coined the term for you
What links would we put in aeslethicism general? Every good general needs lots of links no one ever glicks on
One of those 'perfect proportions' calculators?
No, no calculators, no algorithmic thought. It should be about developing healthy habits and a lifestyle of competition and enjoyment. Fitness, cooking, social interaction, things to value, stuff like that. The focus is on persistent lifestyle in order elicit change. 1 year body transformation pics I guarantee will be better than what you see here on average. The trick is to get out of validating everything with science.
I think I see what you mean. Like if someone was to train sprinting, instead of focusing on time or specific technique, focus on the feeling of flying over the ground. Instead of focusing on height or distance for jumping, focus on flying through the air. And when the body becomes to tired to fly, find something else to do.
I guess if a person should experience the beauty of movement, then it should be as large a variety of activities as possible. Part of the routine could be something like daily singing and dancing.
A routine or some form or organization would be necessary until the movements and activities become spontaneous. The spontaneity is almost the beauty.
Not specifically what I was thinking but it's on the right track.
A summary of its message would be beauty through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds. Deeds being actions. Good being that which makes you great, not focused on being nice or being a pussy. A thread where you would get to talk about all of these things as if they are one
I like it!
based
statue posters are always brain damaged twitter addicts
What was the ancient version of tren? How did they cycle it back then? Or was that all achievable natty?
>yet another ISTgay that doesn't know statues were modeled off several different people with one or two desirable features each rather than one really jacked dude that couldn't have existed without the aid of modern anabolic steroids
Every time.
What point do you think you're making, moron?
Oh, man. Don't tell me you ACTUALLY think people looked like that back then? I think it's time to register for a legal disability, bud
No, i don't. They are eithee exaggerated or like you said, mixed parts from different models. My point is it doesn't matter. What is yours?
They worked out every day from the day they were born till they died.
Some even died of work.
There were no microplastics, xenoestrogens, no toxic additives and other gaingonlins. They absolutely looked like that.
>There were no microplastics, xenoestrogens, no toxic additives and other gaingonlins.
this is just cope and excuses for dyels
Its not plastic's fault you're a weak little b***h
>people
Not all of them, moron. Just the model.
>What was the ancient version of tren?
being literally a son of Zeus
Heracles got strong off of sucking Hera's tiny milk in secret.
>that roid acne
>that horrible, horrible roid acne
>that starting gyno
Poor lad is what? 20? 23?
"He's going to be dead at 30"
"B... B... BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY HE'S MAKING RIGHT NOW!?"
>gyno
Well, you have bronze era bodybuilders who were effectively aiming at this type of physique so I think it can be achieved in 2023. I think the training was polyarticular exercises with a strict diet, not a lot of isolated exercises. Also, the statues were created with the most aesthetic "parts" of several people, there were not actual people.
So basically be natty and focus on a variety of strength lifts while being lean, with stuff like weighted chin ups and dips thrown in + dynamic cardio and flexibility.
Be well rounded and strong.
Sam sucked has to pay someone to post him here over and over
He looks I'll, he is Norwood 3 and a manlet. Also, 45 yo max, and he knows it
Could you be a Roman legionnaire?
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Roman legionaries would march 20 miles in under five miles with 45-100 lbs of weight which far exceeds modern military stanndards. They also trained with weapons and shields that were double weight and if the camp was near a body of water they were required to swim a mile (they would run otherwise). Julius Caesar would PT with his men which is one of many reasons why he was popular with his soldiers.
In the gym portions of Roman baths they had metal dumbells and weighted medicine balls, and there are fresco depictions of Roman women lifting dumbbells in bikinis. I read a funny anecdote from a Roman writer who lived in an apartment above a gym and complained about wannabe high guys grunting and ego lifting interrupting his thinking.
Before Roman rule the Greeks mostly used stone weights and practiced a four day training cycle.
>march 20 miles in under five miles
Not sure that's possible.
20 miles in five hours* my bad, phone posting
WHERE THE FRICK IS THE BOXING SOCIETY DEDICATED TO HERCVLES TODAY? i would join in a heartbeat. how come I have never seen a pagan larper say he is a devotee of hercules, all of them are dyles I must assume
They all love all the inclusive gods that espouse love and drinking but not anything else.
Kek, the Victorians broke all the dicks off ancient statues and now there are apparently boxes and boxes of marble dicks in museums that they don't know which statues they belong to kek
Almost every pagan/polytheist videos I saw on youtube had out of shape people (some obese or skinny) that basically use the old religions to validate their degenerate behaviour.
Modern military is carrying (or was during gwot) 150lbs+ gear over mountains and shit. So comparing a grunt loaded down with basic gear, a SAW, a 60mm mortar barrel, and a base plate carrying 185lbs of gear (not exaggerating) over a literal mountain isn’t the same as a legionnaire carrying 65lbs of gear on flat Italian land.
I actually know about this because I was interested in what the old grunts used to carry and got insanely jealous when I read about the average carry load.
the legionnaires marched for weeks or months on end like that
No they didn’t. You should actually read about troop movements, they would move at about a 10 mile a day pace during campaign and would build forts every day. That 20 mile a day was break neck pace and couldn’t be maintained for long periods, they’d do it like 1 week if they were racing somewhere.
They also didn’t march every day on campaign, they’d march for a few days or weeks and then set up for a few days or weeks, march then set up, march then set up.
They were moving to objectives, and sometimes they’d have to stop and wait for another group to meet at the objective.
>Italy
>flat
the only flat part of Italy is the po valley and back in the day it was a malaria ridden swamp
>po valley is the only flat spot
>legions could not cross the rubicon
You should go look where the rubicon is and where that would put the legions being trained
150 lbs of gear? I need a source for this.
kek
I knew world war 2 veterans that are dead now and they said they had donkeys carry their gear into the mountains of italy. They had 70 pounds of gear going into Italy. I just want to know who is climbing a mountain carry another person
See;
https://www.1stmardiv.marines.mil/News/News-Article-Display/Article/1987028/a-20-mile-tactical-march-into-a-demanding-combat-eval-this-marine-regiment-just/
Pic related for 0311 (standard marine infantry rifleman), but for weapons platoons in line companies you get to carry the parts for 240s (medium machine guns), m224 (60mm mortar systems), and SMAWs (rocket systems, but I think they got rid of the 0351 MOS now).
I have easily carried 185lbs load for 10-20 when I weighed like 155lbs-165lbs. These are for training, but combat load goes from 75lbs (bare min) to a more realistic 120-150lbs.
Oh, I forgot to mention the 80lbs javelin tube filled with sand that one lucky homosexual gets to carry. I know they say
>bringing back
The hike on that website, but trust me, it never really left (they just quit calling it a mccre) and it’s worse than they’re presenting it as, or at least it was during the early 00s.
And just to be clear to anyone reading,
I’m not denigrating the Roman legions, it was definitely a rough job full of capable men (depending on the era), but I don’t think most anons on fit have any clue what they’re talking about and have almost zero real world experience.
>185lbs of gear
>over mountains
>amerishart
Sorry moshe I'm calling bullshit on this
>Modern military
Oh you mean all the fatties, shitskins and w*men you have now
See
I used to do it back in the early 00s. It was generally a 6 month work up to a long hike with full load out over the mountains of socal (camp horno represent Black folk) before deploying.
I can’t speak to now, I doubt, in fact I know, women can’t do that. Females were getting dumped from SOI (school of infantry) at like a 93% attrition rate due to injuries from humping (that’s backpacking for those not in the know), and that’s just SOI, life gets so much worse in the fleet as a boot with a line unit.
So eat a dick homosexual, I could btfo of a legionnaire with my modern diet and decades of training, but not because of zog, all the old gays that I know stayed in zog got fat af and suicidal while the 4 and done chads like me are 50/50 suicide or jail/successful.
2/10 would not zog again, but I did learn extremely valuable skills you won’t learn elsewhere, but it’s not like I can really ply them as a regular gay now, so not really worth it.
For those wondering females were allowed in infantry school starting in like 2010 and I think line units were forced to accept them in like 2013, it was after my time and the guys I knew still in were lamenting the end of an era while relaying the comically terrible performance of the prostitutes.
>45-100 lbs
they carry way more shit now
>swarthy greek immigrant
Why are people like him the most right wing? Every right wing leader in western europe is always some eastern european immigrant or some shit like that.
That's not a legionnaire, that's a hoplite
>their diets were way better
they literally ate bread and cheese and nothing else until the fifth olympics, when meat, fruit and bread eaters started winning and made it the norm for athletes
>What kind of workouts did they have?
The same type of workouts you have today when your poor: bodyweight exercises, tumbling, running/sprinting, picking up whatever large rocks you can find, and wrestling with your buddies for entertainment. Throw in a manual labor job and having to walk everywhere you want to go while carrying everything you want to bring, and you've got "ancient fitness."
I wish there could be mens only gyms where clothes are open with baths, but gays would invade
>gays would invade
well you literally described a gym for homosexuals, so yeah
It can be done. Just "remove" any male who has an erection.
It was a shitload of volume at submaximal levels.
Tons and tons of walking.
Lots of (mostly anteriorly) loaded carries. Lots of ballistic work, think about what pajeets do with clubs today, or the fact that Greek halteres were kind of like kettlebells.
Jean II Le Maingre, a medieval knight born in 1366, apparently trained like this:
>did a 10km run while in armor
>also did somersaults in full armor
>punched walls to harden his fists
>threw big rocks around as a workout
>swung sledgehammers around as a workout
the true fitness training. Where do I get a set of real armor?
Mir makes weight vests up to about 65kg/140lb. Start there.
the materialsand tools needed to make chainmail are relatively easy to find get in the modern day, though the process is tedious. coats of plates and more advanced armor are harder to make, though can be bought.
if you do desire to go full knight or legionary mode, please take part in marathons in it, people have done it before but it's always cool to see people doing gimmick runs.
>Where do I get a set of real armor?
>Mir makes weight vests up to about 65kg/140lb. Start there.
a full set of medieval armor weighed about 20kg
Easy to find in google depending on your location. Some can be used in combat since it is used for competitions such as HEMA (historical european martial arts) or Buhurt, which is the same but without the reverence and more focused on getting fricked up.
It's fricking cool and it needs to be more popular https://youtu.be/cU4oG5rr-ms?t=14
>>also did somersaults in full armor
yeah frick off.
Strong lifting was an ancient tradition with northern europeans, basques, and japanese. Ancient stone lifting is a cool rabbit hole to go down.
From my limited research, it also seems that kettlebells (stone or iron) were very popular as well in a lot of cultures.
Go find a big rock, pick it up and try to push it over your head or walk around with it in a bear hug.
When you feel the effort level drop, get a bigger rock.
1 parts wine and 2-3 parts water all day every day. Welcome to easy gains and gay sex.
Rate my gym outfit bros
What does the bow even do? Keep it from flapping around?
Yes, it is called a kynodesme, greek for 'dog leash'. It existed both to potentially aid athletic movement and to hinder the exposure of the glans (which the Greeks thought immodest and unsightly). It might also have elongated the prepuce with enough use, and the Greeks considered the prepuce one of the most beautiful parts of the male body. Circumcised men were not allowed to even enter a gymnasion.
anteater>alien monster
>Circumcised men were not allowed to even enter a gymnasion.
Jews would never have gone in the first place.
I read that originally circumcision only removed a tiny bit of the foreskin, so some hellenized israelites tried to regrow/stretch their foreskin in order to train at gymnasions. Obviously this made the priests angry so they started removing the entire foreskin.
I swear someone actually posted a typical routine one time but my mind is completely blanking on the details
From the sounds of it, lots of calesthenics and some primitive weights. Probably not too far off the way most boxers have traditionally trained
Mainly bodyweight exercises and gymnastics. Any type of weight training was light and they were used in compound movements like the body was designed for.
La Sierra High School physical fitness warm up.
https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/program-review/the-insanely-difficult-standards-of-historys-hardest-p-e-program/
Me surrounded by my gym twinks after I've cummed in each of them
Kfmfk
have you done your weighted long jumps today?
Their diets weren't entirely better, OP. Protein was much harder to come by, in many ancient societies only the mega-rich could afford it regularly and everyone else survived off almost exclusively carbs.
beans and lentils
I guess, yeah, but they still had to eat a frickton of them to get a decent level of protein so their macros would have been all fricked up
Or, you know, milk and cheese.
Samegay here, I wrote comunist instead of communist, my bad
Many of the strongest most fit Greeks were literally blessed with strength by the gods.
>inb4 reddit atheists try to disprove this.
>Shooting or pulling a heavy draw weight bow
>Practicing swordplay or suburi with a bokken or similar
>Throwing a javelin
These would be the most obvious ones and yet no one mentioned them lmao what a shit thread
Imagine saving pictures of naked men wrestling each other. Why are conservatives so gay lol.
What's wrong with being homosexual/bisexual in the first place ?
This is what they found ''lavized'' in the Pompeii arena changing rooms and armory rooms
>whole bread
>figs
>peas
>olives
>chicken breast remains
Apparently, they found large amounts of fenugreeks. They took it for some unknown reasons
Fenugreek has medicinal properties but also has a unique flavor, they may have liked the taste. They were also a big fan of fermented fish sauce.
>Fenugreek has medicinal properties but also has a unique flavor, they may have liked the taste. They were also a big fan of fermented fish sauce.
I think they used fenugreek as seasoning/flavour and antibacterial
Yup, the Garum. Near Naples they still make it, named ''colatura di Alici''
Patrician Domus food was more based than plebeian and gladiatorian one btw
mama mia
gymcels on here actually get mad at statues now?
also, explain gene sandow