Anyone else think deadlifts are unnecessary and quite high risk if your goal is just hypertrophy?

Anyone else think deadlifts are unnecessary and quite high risk if your goal is just hypertrophy?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    RDLs are all you need for hypertrophy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah good mornings if you're not braindead

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        RL and good mornings are quite different exercises

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        hello sir

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sirs....

        Good morning!

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Don't do them.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i do them relatively low weight and high reps

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I tried touch-and-go for the first time and sprained the shit out of my lower back the other week on my last set pulling 4 plates for triples. Never hurt myself lifting in 2 years since I started before. I was only doing deads like once a month also but had recently switched to weekly at the neglect of RDLs, farmers carries, trap bar deads, kettlebell single leg SLDLs, and bent over rows which are my main back work. Dumbbell rows and T-bar rows for accessories. And I have a vertical pull day. Anyway, I don't think I'm going back to deads after this. I'm gonna stick with all the accessories. Even though touch and go was the stupid culprit. Idk just not worth it. Now I gotta do a lot of reverse hypers and haven't back squatted in a week.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I tried touch-and-go for the first time and sprained the shit out of my lower back the other week
      >I tried touch-and-go

      Deserved

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go away Robert Oberst. You are a B-tier Strongman at best.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I listened to his JR episode expecting a humble but strong guy like Shaw but instead got a fat retard

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Shaw
        >humble
        kek. you fell for his marketing team

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know anything about him either, he could be a fat retard as well for all I know

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts are completely retarded, the risk to reward ratio is retarded, the only reason you could have to deadlift is wanting to deadlift more in the future, any functional or hypertrophy gains are minimal when compared to the risk

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Once you get actually strong you realize deadlifts are the most ego lift possible. They’re literally only to validate yourself when you pick up 500lbs. Which is cool. But it’s way too easier to permanently fuck up your back doing them

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Once you get actually strong you realize deadlifts are the most ego lift possible
        That's leg press, bud.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How is anything you do in the gym not ego related? Don't bullshit me, if you aren't doing things explicitly for health purposes it's ego.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Small weak ISTcels hate seeing people stronger than them so they rationalize their weakness and poor physique by saying everyone stronger and bigger than them is "ego lifting" or "fucking themselves up"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        also dls are there to bring your overall strength up, which will lead to heavier compound lifts all around, what will lead to heavier isolation movements, which will eventually lead to more hypertrophy. simple.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        heavy deadlifts are much kinder to my back than relatively easier squats.
        i can relativeyl easy dl 550lbs/250kg but squats over 330lbs/150kg will fuck my lower back up
        also dls are there to bring your overall strength up, which will lead to heavier compound lifts all around, what will lead to heavier isolation movements, which will eventually lead to more hypertrophy. simple.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Once you get actually strong you realize deadlifts are the most ego lift possible. They’re literally only to validate yourself when you pick up 500lbs. Which is cool. But it’s way too easier to permanently fuck up your back doing them

      how new are you retards. The point of doing deadlifts for non competing athletes is because its puts on the most mass/strength in one movement

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it puts on the most mass/strength in one movement
        no it doesn't

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Range of motion * weight lifted is immense.

          Somehow this is the result of witchcraft and not the work of muscles.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The point of doing deadlifts for non competing athletes is because its puts on the most mass/strength in one movement
        That would be squats. DL doesn't put on much mass.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no.

    if you don't do deadlifts you're not allowed to say you lift weights to people.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah i wish i'd never bothered, im 28 with fucked up lower back discs now even though i never went heavy with them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't because of deadlifts. That is because you're an idiot and did deadlifts wrong.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if an exercise requires you to perform it with textbook perfect form every single time lest you fuck up your back for life, and for little benefit at that... it's a shit exercise. Find me one gym lift that has as much potential to fuck you up forever as the deadlift.

        There's a reason why top athletes worth millions in high paying sports don't deadlift

        I like them and think the movement is very useful. I do them sparingly at moderate weight for 5-6 reps. Going heavy or close to failure on deadlifts just seems crazy to me though. You could say the same about any exercise, but seeing people with lower back injuries is a completely different kind of injury.

        >but seeing people with lower back injuries is a completely different kind of injury.

        This. You can accept some inherent inevitable risk as far as other lifts are concerned because tendons and muscles heal with time (unless it's something catastrophic). The spine doesn't heal. Once you herniate your shit you're fucked for life. Some disc content eventually dries up but the the disc cells are avascular and therefore do not actually "heal". You will deal with your disc prolapse for the rest of your life and you better pray that the recurring sciatica is manageable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay sure how about the bench press and squat which both have higher injury rates than the deadlift and are more technical lifts. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6059276/

          You don't need textbook "good form" to perform a deadlift without fucking yourself up. High level deadlifters routinely perform maximal effort deadlifts with upper back rounding, sometimes a degree or lumbar rounding etc. Deadlift is the least dangerous of the three lifts in a sport with a low injury rate (powerlifting) and with injuries which tend to not be very serious. On top of that injuries tend to be load related and beginners who are terrified their 275 dl is gonna break their back are not lifting heavy loads. Yeah you can fuck yourself up deadlifting but you have to be a massive dumbass to do it easily.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Idiot

      This. Once you get actually strong you realize deadlifts are the most ego lift possible. They’re literally only to validate yourself when you pick up 500lbs. Which is cool. But it’s way too easier to permanently fuck up your back doing them

      Idiot

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That isn't because of deadlifts. That is because you're an idiot and did deadlifts wrong.

        > "it's not the exercise's fault that even with light weight not doing them flawlessly absolutely fucks your back"

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes? I fucked my forearm tendon and my tricep tendon by just doing skull crusher and preacher curls, meanwhile I never hurt my back doing heavy deadlifts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You were obviously doing stupid weights for those exercises then. The point with deadlifts is weight aside they fuck your back. I only ever did light weight 12 reps.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And you did it wrong.
              I herniated a disc doing dumbbell shoulder press. It's not the fault of the exercise, it's because I did something fucking stupid.
              In fact, DL were the key to my recovery, and they remain key to preventing a relapse. I deadlift, and I do it heavy, and it prevents me from reinjuring myself and keeps my lower back from aching.
              You are a dumb gay who can't cope with the fact the he fucked up and feels the need to externalize his failure, but you can't stand seeing other people deadlift because it reminds you that you're lying to yourself and it's your own damn fault.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                How did you do that doing shoulder press?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lost control of the weight, tried to stop it from falling instead of letting it drop, jerked me to the side.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadshitters seething at the thought. Prepare for seething of the likes not seen since trump 2016 if you bring up how dumb deadlifts are

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So many anon's filtered by deadlifts. Top Cope. ngmi.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unnecessary? They aren't necesarry. You can do fine without them and for hypertrohpy other things like romanian are probably more effective.

    High risk? Absolutely not. They are probably the safest compound movement. Its by far the easiest one. I see a lot more people getting injured on bench press, curls, squats and so on. The risk are highly overblown. Espeically if you want to train an older person they will likely have an easier time with deadlift then other lifts and they'll be able to train it harder it harder.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You probably see more people visually drop a bar on themselves with bench press but that's typically low injury. The evidence is clear that the overwhelmingly common lifting injury is disc prolapse.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You probably see more people visually drop a bar on themselves with bench press but that's typically low injury.
        No, elbow shoulder pain.

        >The evidence is clear that the overwhelmingly common lifting injury is disc prolapse.
        Show me the evidence

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts make me feel great, and improve my posture and overall strength. They are worth the risk, but i have a trainer i send vids for form check and watch me.

    But i also play sports and care about strength and performance. If you dont play sports and just want aesthetics to fuck attractive women then just do split or bench and bis and tris

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Mod should ban this. This probably isn't even the same guy that i replied to. This is how the crabs try to ruin all discourse on this board. And if you are not some troll and you are actually like this you have just fallen completely. Be better

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if your goal is just hypertrophy
    weird way to say that you're a homosexual

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    deadlifts are for people who can't do cleans

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      cleans are for people who cant do dirty anals

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they are not necessary and no they're not a risk if you don't do then retarded and people can do whatever the fuck they want you stupid gay

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If i was gay and retarded and thought permanently tingling legs would complement the sensation of my hubby ramming my ass i would deadlift but i am so i do.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://exrx.net/Injury/WeightTrainingInjuries

    "The five most common injury sites are shoulder, low back, knee, elbow and hand/weight throughout all weight training sports (Keogh & Winwood 2016).

    >Shoulder injury incidence was the highest (6-36%)

    and likely attributed to specific movements that utilize the shoulder joint when lifting heavy loads (ie: bench press and overhead press). This is due to the shoulder complex being susceptible to high compressive loads under unfavorable positions (Keogh & Winwood 2016). Keogh and Winwood (2016) list the most common injury sites in descending order as follows:

    Weightlifting: knee, low back and shoulder
    Powerlifting: shoulder, low back and knee
    Bodybuilding: shoulder, knee and low back
    Strongman: low back, shoulder and bicep
    Highland Games: shoulder, knee and low back
    CrossFit: shoulder, low back and knee"

    This lines up with my observations from the gym and lurking online spaces.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like them and think the movement is very useful. I do them sparingly at moderate weight for 5-6 reps. Going heavy or close to failure on deadlifts just seems crazy to me though. You could say the same about any exercise, but seeing people with lower back injuries is a completely different kind of injury.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't do them, but there's nothing wrong with them.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shoulder is the the number 1 injury? How do we prevent this? And whats a good alternative to deadl8fts?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How do we prevent this?
      By doing things correctly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      face pulls

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Deadlifts
    >High risk

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When you're pulling 200kg+ for reps I think the margin for error is quite small

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've done 240kg for 5.
        Nobody with reasonable form would make it here.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Without reasonable*

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can go quite far with bad form. The damage will just accumulate until you snap your shit up

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok? no one who is off juice should be aiming for hypertrophy

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think deadlits are special or anything, but these threads just proves that this board is abslolutely filled with dyels. Literally everybody outside this board knows you don't HAVE to deadlift for hypertrophy, and yet OP still felt the need to post another one of these because he got mogged by some twink.Threads shitting on exercises like deadlifts will always be shadowed by inferiority.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I bought a barbell and weights and there are only so many things I can do with it so I do them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what the fuck can't you do with a barbell?
      put it in your carry-on airplane luggage?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, you can do barbell flies like that other guy

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's part of the big 3 for a reason. They're kind of a big deal.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To autistic powerlifters yeah

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Properly performed deadlifts are the most complete compound lift. It works the most muscles in your body, and if you finish with a one rep max it gives you the best T boost. Learn proper form though

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Deadlifts are the most efficient exercise for building strength and providing a base for power production.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a clean, snatch, or high pull

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who says deadlifts are bad for you or not a good lift has a small back.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you injure yourself doing any exercise is because 3 reason or most likely a combination of the 3
    1- you are using too much weight.
    Just because you are able to move certain weight doesn't mean that you have to and specially for beginners you need to slowly develop the volume before increasing the weight because you don't have the ability to fire up the correct muscles so others have to over compensate and that's why you hurt yourself.
    2-You have bad form
    Usually come hand with hand with the previous point, people usually have different limb measures and different hip insertions so although you can usually narrow it down to a couple of adjustments on hip positioning and hip height, most people don't take their time to figure out wich posture is the best for them.
    Figure out your best set up.
    3-Lack of mobility
    If you experience pain during any exercise you most likely are tight in the are where there is pain or the area surrounding where there is pain, if you get lower back pain from deadlifts, you most likely have poor hip mobility and tight hamstrings.
    Then you want to do mobility drills and stretches along with full rom strength training.

    If you fix any of these 3 points, you will significantly reduce any pain you feel during any exercise, if you fix all 3 i promise you that the pain will go away and you will never experience pain from lifting ever again.

    But what am i saying, is easier to just blame the exercise instead of stop being retarded and address the issue causing the pain.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based effort poster.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    deadlift is the ultimate alpha male exercise

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      no, the snatch is

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based. If you don't snatch you don't lift.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I snatch your mom's pussy.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i do deadlifts because they're fun (and also because i want to hit 800lbs)
    there are better options if your goal is hypertrophy, but they are beneficial and hard to replace if your goal is raw strength (like in strongman or powerlifting)
    if your goal isn't be a competitive PL or SM, you can skip them and be just fine

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its pretty crazy how trends work. Just as we are getting a huge influx of people starting to do compound lifts, all of a sudden there is now a trend of people moving away from it cause its "too dangerous." I actually really love this new trend of saying how the gym is too dangerous

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this argument has been had for decades its not a new trend

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing will replace deadlifts and other heavy pulls from your training. If you aren't regularly going hard on DLs, RDLs, SLDLs, cleans, snatches, rows, highpulls, etc. you're a fucking classless twink and will never be a man. Here's /ourguy/ proving that DLs are the last word in strempf and aesthicccs:

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      do i still count as a classless twink if I only do cleans, rdl, and snatches?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        As long as they're heavy, you're thick, solid, and tight. I believe I mentioned all of those in the first post I made. Heavy pulls make the man.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the retard from your video has been rotting in a box for years

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    based dont forget the c&j

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No rdls and sldls are s tier for building glutes and hammies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      BUILT

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I'm also a massive retard, same as you OP

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the deadlift the best lift to do if you want to get good at picking things up? I like helping people move and also picking up my wife so I do deadlifts

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a test booster

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      She was never seen again

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still terrified of deadlifts and this disinfo campaign on IST does nothing to help me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just do your research and start light, as with any lift.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    can't really think of a more 'bang for your buck' lift than DLs besides maybe Pullups, Dips and OHP.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do we never see this take about bench press on this board? I feel like this is connected to people only doing upper body and then have to deadlift with 90% back, which obviously feels like shit.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My goal is to be more efficient at forcible sodomy. So who gives a fuck about hypertrophy.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a warm-up, stupid!

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts actually helped my posture. My core and lower back strength obviously has gotten better where now I'm not leaning sideways carrying light objects like my 20kg tool bag. walking with a straight spine feels a shit load better.
    There's a lot on functional reasons to do deadlifts of you ever pick anything off the ground or even carry anything.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My goal is mires. So no

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I snapped my shit up on a warmup set of deadlifts (275x5) because I was somewhere else mentally and getting sloppy with my form. I still do them but it's hard to imagine that happening with another compound lift. I spent the next 2 weeks laying on the floor in my air tech school classes because sitting was unbearable

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no. I think they're cool and they removed me from dyel status by blowing up my traps and helping me fill out my shirts

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It shapes my ass, so i like it

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck deadlifts

    I have herniated/degenerated discs and I have almost no strength in a deadlift position. Feels like my back will snap holding 135 depending on the day.

    meanwhile I can squat 200kg for a set of 5 without issue

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They aren't great for hypertrophy but you should still do them every other week. The hinge is a key body movement and deadlifting adds a ton of strength, improves posture, and strengthens your lower back.

    Do 5x5 same weight with a light warm up and cool down set.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think deadlifts are actually effective in building your hamstrings and glutes but there's no denying that if you don't have the right form, it's definitely one of those exercises that could very much cause damage to your back.

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deadlifts are decent but they are more of a strength lift than hypertrophy lift, russian swings, farmer's walks and power cleans would you give more bang for your buck if you stopped deadlifting and wanted hypertrophy.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes deadlifts are too risky

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    deadlifts are only good for bragging about numbers, they're shit functionally

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