I still do a mix of mentzer and yate's routine. I've found I need drop sets when training alone to get to failure. Gains picked up after incorporating drop sets
morons that spam forced memes only tend to do it for a few months. There'll still be the odd one but it'll gradually fade into obscurity like the ray peat meme did.
It was a meme on tiktok and most of the zoomers have moved on to the next meme after seeing suboptimal progress because they didn't execute it correctly. The ones who stuck with it have nothing to talk about, because the program is simple as a door hinge.
I switched from HIT to Fortitude earlier this year, and I'm having a lot more fun with it, though it is more complicated. I still use some methods I learned from HIT in the pump sets, though.
facts
it really exposed how overrun this board was with zoomers when you noticed how this shit was spammed here the moment tiktok/insta/whatever algo started pushing it and when it wasn't popular anymore the zoomers moved on
morons that spam forced memes only tend to do it for a few months. There'll still be the odd one but it'll gradually fade into obscurity like the ray peat meme did.
It was a meme on tiktok and most of the zoomers have moved on to the next meme after seeing suboptimal progress because they didn't execute it correctly. The ones who stuck with it have nothing to talk about, because the program is simple as a door hinge.
I switched from HIT to Fortitude earlier this year, and I'm having a lot more fun with it, though it is more complicated. I still use some methods I learned from HIT in the pump sets, though.
You need to have minimal amount of high intensity threads. Your thread should hit the bump limit as fast as possible, but you need to give time for the janny to recover.
It works great for pullups, dips and incline bench.
I've had a very hard time progressing in weight on db curls though. Still curling 35s for a set of 8 (with a 4s eccentric)
Everyone who trained with Mentzer said he only got into the extreme low frequency HIT training when he was losing his mind near the end and no one at the time thought it was a good idea. They always trained high intensity but never that low frequency. More and more people from his era have come out in recent times and talked about this.
It works fine with really low volume. Check out Fortitude, that's exactly what it is. One set per muscle group, every session, three sessions per week, with rotating set types (loading, pump, and muscle rounds).
Good programs work for both natural and enhanced lifters. You just make the adjustment for recovery ability (if you even need to) and move on.
I found my sweet spot with 2 high intensity low-ish volume FBWs (A/B) a week, I can keep it up for a long time, recover well between sessions and manage to chain a lot of consecutive productive workouts. At this point I'm almost sure adding a third one (I mean a serious session, not cardio or fricking around with forearms or calves) would pretty much sabotage the operation.
I went from 154 pounds for 5 reps on the bench to 225 for 1 in about two and a half months doing HIT.
There was definitely some muscle memory involvement because i had stopped benching due to a hand injury which is why i started at 154 poons.
>hopped on the Mentzer train recently >did 1 set of pec dec >superset with 1 set of incline machine press >all had 4 sec eccentric motion >chest very sore the next day
I'd say it works
I'm currently doing 2 sets to failure on my accessory lifts. Working well, seems that by objectively standardizing proximity to failure you can more consistently add weight to your lifts. Might be something to the effective reps model.
I've seen Mentzer shit every fricking day, I went to the gym the other day and saw some DYEL skeleton doing one set of bench and stopping, he told me from his mouth that's he's "doing a mike Mentzer thing"
99% of people will use his methods as an excuse for laziness, the other 1% will simply be stuck with a highly suboptimal program
I coach for a living, Mentzer's bogus is in some kind of popular renaissance. Everyone is talking about it, it clogs my phone recommendations, trainees ask me about it, zoomers want to know if they're "overtraining" doing a basic full body 3x weekly routine. I want to go back in time and kill him, I've explained the problems with his approach in painstaking detail over and over and over again
>99% of people will use his methods as an excuse for laziness
This 100%.
It's the same for all the brosciences >You can get abs by not doing abs, squats are ab workout!!! abs are only made in the kitchen!! >cardio kills gains, so I don't do cardio ever, can't do a 10 min jog around the block because "cardio will kill my gains"
People will latch onto any shitty broscience and convenient excuse they can find that will allow themselves to be convinced that doing less is actually helping them
I just got back from my once per month lifting routine. I can tell you that after I stopped lifting more than once a month, I've been making the greatest gains in my life. I have put 2" of solid muscle onto my arms and legs. My intensity each session is so high that even if I don't exercise a particular muscle group, it still gets gains. Unfortunately there is a price and that is a gram of meth before each workout.
What really gets me with the lat pulldowns is that I can do weighted pullups and like 220 on the lat pulldowns without making a big deal about it but the gym bro guys in my gym all insist on grunting and wearing straps doing like 190 or 200.
Is HIT the /OurMethod/ for introspective, aristocrat, sensitive young men like us bros?
I did the Mentzer meme for 3 months to see if it was legit and I lost size. I did it faithfully. I bet it works just fine if you're juiced so there is that. I'm back to a 4*10
How have you enjoulyed it and at what rate have you grown i.e what should be expected after a month on a bulk i feel like i am not growing as much as my old PPLPP routine. Im doing the ideal routine with 3 days between workouts. You doing the same or are you doing a different routine and how have your results been
Ive been doing the ideal routine faithfully while on a bulk and i am for sure stronger and my back and legs have grown well but my arms i think arent growing much. Gonna keep it up until the end of november but if im not up on my bicep size by then ill probably either do every other day or every 2 days for a month and if still nothing im returning to either a 4 day bro split or a PPL 3 days a week. Used to do pplpp weekly last year doing milos sarcevs blood sugar insulin techniques and tbh i think i grew more then than now. Tough because i only have pictures only started measuring a month ago. Will update but those are my resulys so far. What i will say however is regardless of weather i stick to it or not ive learned alot about the inportance of intensity in excercise and the importance of rest as a natty. I will say also my muscles overall have a much denser look to them when im cut down.
Only do one thread every 4-7 day
I still do a mix of mentzer and yate's routine. I've found I need drop sets when training alone to get to failure. Gains picked up after incorporating drop sets
lmao
Very nice
I’ve been on the /HIT/ train on and off since earlier this year and I have to say my physique improved a little. Recover it is indeed important.
Are you doing the OG routine?
photo caption: "Damn my meth dealer didn't place his coded classifed ad with his new contact number imma crash in 12 hours."
reporting in, I'm still doing it, but I guess the novelty factor wore off and it became an everyday thing
>it became an everyday thing
>everyday
>EVERYDAY
>what happened?
meme cycle wore off
facts
it really exposed how overrun this board was with zoomers when you noticed how this shit was spammed here the moment tiktok/insta/whatever algo started pushing it and when it wasn't popular anymore the zoomers moved on
It’s because it doesn’t work not because of algo. It was an excuse for people to be lazy
>facts
zoomer detected. please kys immediately
morons that spam forced memes only tend to do it for a few months. There'll still be the odd one but it'll gradually fade into obscurity like the ray peat meme did.
It was a meme on tiktok and most of the zoomers have moved on to the next meme after seeing suboptimal progress because they didn't execute it correctly. The ones who stuck with it have nothing to talk about, because the program is simple as a door hinge.
I switched from HIT to Fortitude earlier this year, and I'm having a lot more fun with it, though it is more complicated. I still use some methods I learned from HIT in the pump sets, though.
You need to have minimal amount of high intensity threads. Your thread should hit the bump limit as fast as possible, but you need to give time for the janny to recover.
underrated post
He was a chad
it was a shitty forced meme, the dude posting probably got bored
It works great for pullups, dips and incline bench.
I've had a very hard time progressing in weight on db curls though. Still curling 35s for a set of 8 (with a 4s eccentric)
Everyone who trained with Mentzer said he only got into the extreme low frequency HIT training when he was losing his mind near the end and no one at the time thought it was a good idea. They always trained high intensity but never that low frequency. More and more people from his era have come out in recent times and talked about this.
how is doing a high intensity high frequency training as a natty a good idea?
It works fine with really low volume. Check out Fortitude, that's exactly what it is. One set per muscle group, every session, three sessions per week, with rotating set types (loading, pump, and muscle rounds).
Good programs work for both natural and enhanced lifters. You just make the adjustment for recovery ability (if you even need to) and move on.
I found my sweet spot with 2 high intensity low-ish volume FBWs (A/B) a week, I can keep it up for a long time, recover well between sessions and manage to chain a lot of consecutive productive workouts. At this point I'm almost sure adding a third one (I mean a serious session, not cardio or fricking around with forearms or calves) would pretty much sabotage the operation.
I went from 154 pounds for 5 reps on the bench to 225 for 1 in about two and a half months doing HIT.
There was definitely some muscle memory involvement because i had stopped benching due to a hand injury which is why i started at 154 poons.
Maybe people realized the plan of "get huge by not going to the gym" only works if you're on heroic doses of roids
I am, works great
>hopped on the Mentzer train recently
>did 1 set of pec dec
>superset with 1 set of incline machine press
>all had 4 sec eccentric motion
>chest very sore the next day
I'd say it works
I'm currently doing 2 sets to failure on my accessory lifts. Working well, seems that by objectively standardizing proximity to failure you can more consistently add weight to your lifts. Might be something to the effective reps model.
I've seen Mentzer shit every fricking day, I went to the gym the other day and saw some DYEL skeleton doing one set of bench and stopping, he told me from his mouth that's he's "doing a mike Mentzer thing"
99% of people will use his methods as an excuse for laziness, the other 1% will simply be stuck with a highly suboptimal program
And then the entire gum got up and clapped
You saw no such thing
I coach for a living, Mentzer's bogus is in some kind of popular renaissance. Everyone is talking about it, it clogs my phone recommendations, trainees ask me about it, zoomers want to know if they're "overtraining" doing a basic full body 3x weekly routine. I want to go back in time and kill him, I've explained the problems with his approach in painstaking detail over and over and over again
sure you do, i believe every word you write
You're an 18-24 year old chud arguing with a well-adjusted adult. Shut up.
>wanting to go back in time to kill someone
>well adjusted
sure bud
>problems with his approach
such as?
>99% of people will use his methods as an excuse for laziness
This 100%.
It's the same for all the brosciences
>You can get abs by not doing abs, squats are ab workout!!! abs are only made in the kitchen!!
>cardio kills gains, so I don't do cardio ever, can't do a 10 min jog around the block because "cardio will kill my gains"
People will latch onto any shitty broscience and convenient excuse they can find that will allow themselves to be convinced that doing less is actually helping them
how do you associate a HIT program with laziness? please elaborate. oh you can't? interesting.
and to this day not metzBlack person has ever posted an aesthetic body sure theres the dyel pajeet or the guy with fatceps but not one is aesthetic
I just got back from my once per month lifting routine. I can tell you that after I stopped lifting more than once a month, I've been making the greatest gains in my life. I have put 2" of solid muscle onto my arms and legs. My intensity each session is so high that even if I don't exercise a particular muscle group, it still gets gains. Unfortunately there is a price and that is a gram of meth before each workout.
Even though I haven't gone full on single-set, I have reduced my frequency and it has kick-started some new progress where I was plateaud for months.
What really gets me with the lat pulldowns is that I can do weighted pullups and like 220 on the lat pulldowns without making a big deal about it but the gym bro guys in my gym all insist on grunting and wearing straps doing like 190 or 200.
Is HIT the /OurMethod/ for introspective, aristocrat, sensitive young men like us bros?
always has been
I'm going strong. Just yesterday I lifted, resting days ahead.progress is slow but that's how the natty human body works
I’m doing stupidly high reps once every 5 days or so and I’m getting huge
Hamas attacked Israel so those posters are busy fighting that at the moment
I did the Mentzer meme for 3 months to see if it was legit and I lost size. I did it faithfully. I bet it works just fine if you're juiced so there is that. I'm back to a 4*10
I've been doing HIT since June of 2020
How have you enjoulyed it and at what rate have you grown i.e what should be expected after a month on a bulk i feel like i am not growing as much as my old PPLPP routine. Im doing the ideal routine with 3 days between workouts. You doing the same or are you doing a different routine and how have your results been
Ive been doing the ideal routine faithfully while on a bulk and i am for sure stronger and my back and legs have grown well but my arms i think arent growing much. Gonna keep it up until the end of november but if im not up on my bicep size by then ill probably either do every other day or every 2 days for a month and if still nothing im returning to either a 4 day bro split or a PPL 3 days a week. Used to do pplpp weekly last year doing milos sarcevs blood sugar insulin techniques and tbh i think i grew more then than now. Tough because i only have pictures only started measuring a month ago. Will update but those are my resulys so far. What i will say however is regardless of weather i stick to it or not ive learned alot about the inportance of intensity in excercise and the importance of rest as a natty. I will say also my muscles overall have a much denser look to them when im cut down.
I'm still training correctly (HIT) but I just don't care to debate this shit anymore. Go "strength train" 40 hours a week I don't care.
Yeah I only really post on this board when taking a shit tbh
Why should I, as a non roider lifter, should follow the advice, or better, copy the workout method of a roider lifter.