Are moderate steroid doses really that bad for you? Posted on February 21, 2023 by Anonymous Are moderate steroid doses really that bad for you?
>Are moderate steroid doses really that bad for you
No, but they also won't give you crazy gains.
Not only will they give you middling gains, they will fuck up your liver. Orals are typically very liver toxic and if you drink while on them you fuck your body up.
Just drink 3 l of water a day
don't take orals you needle pussy
not true in college I was on winstrol and anavar and drank like 10 shots a day for a few days in a row at a music festival and my liver was only moderately inflamed and when they scanned it with an ultrasound it was fine after
Meh, if you're taking 50 mg superdrol and pounding a handle maybe
Not true. You will at least triple your gains on the most safe cookie cutter test cycle, such as 250mg test.
250mg is a cruise not a cycle sweaty
False. There's rapidly diminishing gains from larger doses. 500 mg of tren a week does not get you twice the gains of 250mg, etc etc
Only if you're still a complete dyel with borderline hypogonadism. Otherwise faggy cycles like 250mg a week of test will do jack shit.
>Otherwise faggy cycles like 250mg a week of test will do jack shit.
people do that? babbys first cycle is 500 test
Absolute rubbish. 250mg is in most cases triple natty levels, at steady levels 24/7 if you inject often. It is equivalent of being in godmode compared to the average natty. 500mg test is perhaps 30% more effective than 250mg.
300mg has me at 2700 ngdl so you're not far off. also note that supraphysiological doses of test are excitotoxic ( neurotoxic) in a dose-dependend manner, it's not worh it to induce extra neural apoptosis in the hippocampus just so you can gain a little muscle a little faster. minimise damage and stay below 400 if you don't want to compete
>won't give you crazy gains
There's a study where half of the participants were given 500mg of test, and told to not lift.
They had more lean mass gain than the natural group which lifted.
Always keep this in mind when talking to roidtrannies, they will try to downplay in every single way that their achievements are all chemically derived.
Like this one
>They had more lean mass gain
Because you rapidly gain like 10lbs of intramuscular water and glycogen in the first few weeks of a cycle. It's not correctly tissue. You'd know this is you ever actually used steroids instead of parroting shit you read online.
Cringe. Stop larping.
They also had greater strength gain in bench pressing, so you argument is bullshit.
>greater strength gain in bench pressing
Go look up how the androgen receptor effects neurological strength, also gaining any kind of weight, even fat will increase your bench slightly due to the leverage. These are things you would know if your actually lifted or used gear.
How will fatness increase leverag3?
>Why will taking two inches off the bottom range of motion from the bench press improve leverages?
Have you honestly not noticed fatties and manlets can bench and squat more than their physiques would suggest? Did you just start lifting last week?
mass moves mass. so yes getting fatter will increase your lifts
the farther you are from your genetic potential, both strength and mass wise, the more hormonal support you need. but the neurotoxicity of androgens should give you pause. excitotoxicity is scary
>excitotoxicity is scary
It's really not. Just don't insist on keeping your e2 "in range" like a retard while you're blasting.
adequate estrogen will protect you to a certain degree that is true, but once you go far beyond the natty threshold, even estrogen won't completely safeguard you and prevent neurotoxicity. but yes test is generally well-tolerated, I'd stay away from the 19nors if you value cognitive longevity however
I tried a small dose of mtren and colors changed. It was intense, probably not doing that again
yeah tren made me into an idiot. I don't know whether it was indirect, due to a lack of sleep, or due to direct excitotoxicity or some other mechanism at the dopamine receptor site, but I felt markedly slower in my thinking. and since I'm doing intellectually demanding work I notice deficits instantly. test I only notice problems if my estrogen is too low
mtren/halo are imo the most intimidating steroids to use. I'm intrigued but scared at the same time
if I ever have to go full barbarian mode with no emotion, at least I have some on hand now
If neurotoxicity is a care of yours, you're prob a pussy geek that's never taken drugs either and don't have any real life experience and just live in the basement Tbh
> They didn't gain lean mass they just gained water!
> The weight they gained is the only reason their bench went up!
roidtrannies actually retarded
Water is lean mass you absolute retard.
Yeah bro I'm a fucking water bender no way the roids increased muscle mass
all my muscles still took work bro
wait until you find out how much water is in a regular human body lmfao. You are low IQ.
>water bloat is lean mass
It is though
It literally is.
thats how it is read on a bodyscan.
Yes. Dumbasses who use that study have never actually read it though so they think guys just got jacked injecting test and not working out.
lmao i love reading that
>roids are a cheat code!!! you can take gear and not work out at all! and youll still be more jacked than a natty!!
and then they take gear and look like shit lol
many such cases.
No, the natties who lifted had better bench gains and much better squat gains. They also gained more *muscle* mass, while the roiders gained more *water*. You are just wrong.
I'm sure you're smarter than the doctors who wrote a peer reviewed article using their extensive knowledge of chemistry and schooling, anon. You're totally right. That NIH article that's actually been reproduced by peers more than once is total bullshit, and I am only parroting things I've read online. Once again, you win, and prove your mental prowess! Congrats! You're the smartest in the room as usual, I hope now everyone will be able to see it. Those dirty educated doctors are nothing but liars, liars I say!
The fault isn't with the study, the issue is your failure to understand it. "Lean body weight" doesn't automatically mean contractile tissue. Like I said that weight was from the water and glycogen you get at the onset of any cycle, which can be accurately described as lean body weight. You've never used steroids, don't understand what you're talking about and rely on a single study for your argument that you don't even understand and probably didn't actually read in full.
I agree that the weight gain obviously isn't all pure lbm, but to say it's largely glycogen and water is also incorrect. I had tremendous results on 300mg
Like I said dyels and hypogonadism sois can make gains of baby doses. Actual decent lifters will need more.
Correct if somenthing works it works, no ammount of money from big pharma will change that
Not that guy but post body and original study.
>appeal to authority
>You'd know this is you ever actually used steroids
Nah. I don't compete at national level in any strength or physique sport. And I am not particularly vain nor derive my entire identity and self worth from my physical status, I have a personality and other interests and aspirations as well. I lift because it's fun and I like getting stronger while staying healthy and reasonably lean.
Wait a sec... Why does anyone who is not competing in athletic competitions stay natty then? Isn't it a waste of time to lift while natty?
>Isn't it a waste of time to lift while natty?
Yes. Natty is a fucking joke.
Natty, 170 and Lean here
Bigger and stronger than most normies
Pull tons of mires and bitches
Not fucked up with body dysmorphia that I need to take steroids.
Seethe roid chud's. Destroy the body you were given
170 lbs is weak.
Depends on his height and bf% level. You can go look up IPF weight classes 73kg and 83kg, then come back and tell me their totals are weak. Of course not a perfect analogy as the average 170lbs gym goer isn't an elite level PL'er, but the point stands.
170 lbs is weak, just like manlets, or the lanklets who have no width.
If roids had no negative effects on your health yes everybody would take them. Just not having to pin alone made everyone hop on sarms even though they are less effective, imagine if they were also safe. Risking fucking up your hormones for life isn’t worth the extra muscle mass for most people though.
>If roids had no negative effects on your health yes everybody would take them.
But they don't, assuming you know your testosterone is pure and sterile, and you are dosing it properly. Any infertility for example is only temporary. I think it's more likely that people are misinformed due to the war on drugs, and bitcoin/criminalization/self-injection is a barrier to entry for people. Most people are afraid of needles, let along stabbing themselves with one.
>Isn't it a waste of time to lift while natty?
If your goal is only vanity for the short term, then yes. It's two completely different games.
If you like lifting as a hobby, and is looking to keep at it for the rest of your life, then no. You don't need to fuck with your hormones to look good and become pretty fucking strong. It just takes a longer time, and the rules of proportions and bf% levels while maintaining lean mass and strength is different.
Diminishing returns after like 500-750 tbqh. Better off having a mid sized cycle then adding gh, humalog, injectable carnitine pre and post workout.
if youre gonna roid just use a fucking needle
Assuming injections, I suggest running one cycle. One 12 week cycle of test will have negligible health effects and your natural test shouldn’t be fucked after PCT. The more cycles you run, the higher the likelihood you lower your lifespan and begin having heart problems. The reason most roidtrannies shouldn’t be trusted with roids is because they don’t know when to stop even though one cycle should give you a good enough baseline for the rest of your prime
most men post 35/40 should be on TRT anyway to be honest
this is what I did and now I can recomp on a 1 lb/week cut. I might take peptides and HGH tho, but we’ll see
>One 12 week cycle of test will have negligible health effects and your natural test shouldn’t be fucked after PCT.
Would you say this holds true if you run the same cycle once every year?
Moderate steroid doses will give you moderate side effects.
Interesting thesis. Post hair
Bunch of LARP but not a single body post
Lets see that "God mode" body you made on a "tiny little dosage" of test, gay
There's no such thing as "moderately abusing drugs"
You're either doing an actual cycle, or you're just LARPING
not op but ive been on under 500mg/week of total gear for about 10 months now before that I only did one big cycle of 500 test 500 deca 20 tbol and 20mk677 for 3 months, lost a little hair at first but its stoped at like nw1.5 with minoxidil and is starting to come back. blood pressure and bloodwork is all good with the addition of some bp meds red yeast rice niacin and citrus bergamot to my supplementation. fertility is still ok because of HCG even though I've done some 19nors. Juice has been amazing for my productivity it makes effort feel good similar to how amphetamines do but without the stimulant part. the only side effect I really wish I knew about before I started is how much more extreme it will make any kind of fetish especially if your taking 19nors. also if your just lifting to try to get bitches dont bother with steroids for one your skin quality will suffer and bitches do care about that, also getting bigger past a certain point will actually hurt your chances.
tldr do whatever the hell you want, dont let some 46y 400lb neckbeard living in his parent's basement tell you how to live your life by calling you a "roidchud"
does your dick still work
yes, the only time it stopped working was on deca. after stoping deca it went back to normal
lookin solid, thick, tight
The truth is this: peopel react vastly different to supraphysiological doses of androgens. Some tripple their natty test on only 250mg ( vastly increasing nitrogen retention and therby protein synthesis =>hypetrophy) and other are barely above the TRT reference range on 500mg. It's a real crapshoot of trial and error. It's the same with androgenic and estrogenic side effects. Some aromatise like a bitch and need an AI on 150mg or get acne all over and intensified MBP on a similarly low dose
when did kraut speak about tren?
I got more gains during 14 weeks of 500mg test than I got in 6 years of hardcore natty lifting, really makes you think.
Pretty common. Natty lifting is pointless and natties that say they got great results are usually either just 160lbs and lean or delusional
yes, only did 2 light cycles with proper pct and it fucked my hormones and after 2 years of quitting its still not back to what it was before. dont even start if you are not prepared for trt till death. and you will only look jacked and impressive while on blast and in the long run it will fuck up your organs, i think i damaged my liver a tiny bit to because i felt really light symptoms indicating it.
Natty cuck fail.