Not him but you can just do weighted dead hangs lol
You need to completely relax your back to feel the decompression and start feeling pops and shit. I'm not sure you can do that with a chain hanging from your body but maybe it's just a matter of practice.
You can do that just fine, I go into a full dead hang at the bottom of every rep on pullups
why do deadhangs if you can do pullups? do you jsut go to gym to waste time?
Because what if my lats are too fatigued already from doing pullups in the previous session, as well as more lat volume in the current session? And what if I want to get in my grip volume as well? Dead hangs don't even take long to do, just superset them with something else at the end of your leg session and you're good
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You can do that just fine, I go into a full dead hang at the bottom of every rep on pullups
Meant to say weighted pullups for clarification
1 year ago
Anonymous
follow the reply chain and you will see that i said it's good after deadlifts which is what i do. if you do a bunch of useless exercises that just fatigue you that's on you.
it easier with weight at the bottom of the spine. to hear a pop in the spine without weight i have to twist my legs from side to side with weight it can happen by just pulling the slack
Kek
I'm not even kidding when I say this though, I use figure 8 straps to lock my hands into position just under the bar now. I can go to failure without my grip being a limiting factor at all because I'm not even holding onto the bar. Also I can do neutral grip pullups and supinating pullups (start in a pullup position, end in a chinup position at the top) on a straight bar lol
Well it isn't a limiting factor if I do them the way most people do them but in order to feel my lats I have to be extremely autistic with my technique which makes the set take way longer, which actually caused my grip to start failing so I found this as a solution. Also I can do partials which is nice, and the fact that I don't have to think about my grip at all is great as well, I just have to focus on dragging my elbows down as hard as possible during each rep
Because this is the way I have to do pullups to feel my lats at all, which makes the set take way longer so my grip tends to give out too early >start in a full dead hang with shoulders behind ears >depress scapula while keeping arms mostly straight, flex shoulders slightly >pull chin over the bar (touch clavicle to bar for bonus points) and pause for a second or two >descend with a slow eccentric, depress scapula again on the way down if they elevated on the way up >return to the same position as >depress scapula while keeping arms mostly straight, flex shoulders slightly >let your scapula elevate, and extend your shoulders more so that your shoulders are now behind your ears. pause for a second or two >repeat
this is pointless torture. you don't get more gains doing this. if your bodyweight pullups are not challenging just add weight and do normal ones
1 year ago
Anonymous
>this is pointless torture. you don't get more gains doing this.
Well I don't feel my lats at all doing normal ones but when I do them like this it feels like my lats are trying to escape my body lol >if your bodyweight pullups are not challenging just add weight and do normal ones
You know I add weight on these too, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>don't feel lats when doing pullups
there's no way to not feel your lats on a pullup. you're just making your sets unnecessarily longer which means you're getting more blood in your working muscles. training for pump is fine every once in a while but it's basically weighted cardio and mindless torture
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Also the other reason why I started doing this is because my lats pretty much stopped growing entirely, but they seem to be growing now so I think it definitely worked
you just get a pump and feel like you're growing
1 year ago
Anonymous
>there's no way to not feel your lats on a pullup. you're just making your sets unnecessarily longer which means you're getting more blood in your working muscles.
Dude I literally feel them more from a set of 5 than I did doing them the normal way for sets of 15, I don't think it's the pump lmao
Plus I actually get DOMS in my lats which NEVER happened before unless I was doing hundreds of pullups or something >training for pump is fine every once in a while but it's basically weighted cardio and mindless torture
My breathing doesn't even get elevated from these sets, tf? Work on your conditioning bro >you just get a pump and feel like you're growing
No I mean I can literally see that my lower lats are bigger than before, previously they were non-existent but now I can actually see them without flexing really hard to get them to be visible
1 year ago
Anonymous
bro your set is 5 reps but you need wraps for your forearms. think about it logically. do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
1 year ago
Anonymous
>bro your set is 5 reps but you need wraps for your forearms.
My apologies for being negligent but you do know that by this point my forearms are already tired from doing strapless rows, right? My lats are still pretty fresh since the way I do rows hardly involves them at all which is why this happens lol >do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
Dude I already told you, my breathing doesn't even get elevated from this shit. Explain to me how that's cardio? And as for reps, we know that anything in the 5-30 rep range is about the same when it comes to hypertrophy results. I'm not even doing high reps, my rep range for these is 5-8 typically which is obviously on the low end. Cardio is sustained effort for a MUCH longer period of time, so even the squats that I do that leave me out of breath due to the way I perform them still aren't cardio because the duration of the effort is still too short. If you're doing sets of 50 then yeah now that might be cardio but besides that it's always going to be anaerobic lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Dude I already told you, my breathing doesn't even get elevated from this shit. Explain to me how that's cardio?
it's weighted cardio your 5 reps are equavalent to a 20rm
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's weighted cardio your 5 reps are equavalent to a 20rm
No it isn't because my breathing isn't elevated at all. If I do a set of 20 on chinups I would certainly be breathing hard by the end of it, but a set of 5 on this variation and I can walk off without being out of breath at all
maybe because you already do cardio. but if you're hypertrophy training only and you do cardio for the first time you will be sore but that doesn't mean gains
Yes because it's a novel stimulus. Guess what, I still get sore from doing pullups this way even though I've been doing them for months now. That means it's not causing me to be sore just because my body hasn't adapted yet, it's because the stimulus is so high that even though my body has produced adaptations to reduce the amount of muscle damage from each session (since I've been doing them for months), I still get sore anyway lol. And again, my lats are literally growing again after they stalled for ages when I was doing normal pullups. I think this way is just better, sorry bro but your arguments are shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
Also since when is a 20 rep set cardio? If your cardio is shit then yeah it is, but that just means your cardio is bad. If you have good cardio, and you can take the set to muscular failure, then by definition it is not cardio since it is the muscle that is giving out, not your heart and lungs. If this was the case then widowmaker squats would be garbage but they're actually a time-proven method that puts a ton of mass on the legs
1 year ago
Anonymous
i said weighted cardio
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i said weighted cardio
But it isn't cardio you moron? My heart and lungs aren't giving out, not even close, but my muscles are. That means it isn't cardio, simple as. Even if I was doing 30 reps, as long as it was my muscles that gave out and not my heart and lungs, it would still not be cardio. The ONLY time when lifting weights becomes cardio is if your heart and lungs give out before your muscles, and even then I wouldn't call that cardio since your heartrate and breathing aren't being chronically elevated, that's just called cardiovascular failure, which you want to avoid.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it's a spectrum moron. holy shit fricking autist
1 year ago
Anonymous
And? That bolsters my argument since judging by the parameters I'm very far away from the "cardio" end of the spectrum
1 year ago
Anonymous
>do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
Also this is a you problem, I can do an hour of cardio and I will not be sore at all. I think your recovery capabilities are just shit lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
maybe because you already do cardio. but if you're hypertrophy training only and you do cardio for the first time you will be sore but that doesn't mean gains
1 year ago
Anonymous
>this is pointless torture. you don't get more gains doing this.
Well I don't feel my lats at all doing normal ones but when I do them like this it feels like my lats are trying to escape my body lol >if your bodyweight pullups are not challenging just add weight and do normal ones
You know I add weight on these too, right?
Also the other reason why I started doing this is because my lats pretty much stopped growing entirely, but they seem to be growing now so I think it definitely worked
Pullups are a cheap alternative to something with multiple grip orientations and loading options.
Doing more pullups doesn't make you stronger, same with pushups. Unless you're pushing 220+ and lifting to sternum, no one cares how much air you generate with chin wiggles.
I got mired at my gym today while doing chin ups, I think I'm the only one there that does it.
Guy looked at me and said it's a badass exercise and that he never learned how to do it. I just learned it aswell and can only do 4x5.
Feels good, bros.
Everybody and their dog does it at my gym. Women too. If you can't do a few pullups with okay form, and you're not a top level elite strength athlete in the highest weight classes, you're a certified turbo dyel.
at the gym it isnt that impressive, but bang out a few anywhere else and you get mires. its kind of the same thing as if you have a cool job, the guys at the job dont give a shit, but everyone else gets impressed
Weight assisted pullups, slow as shit while squeezing is my favorite lift and nothing compares in terms of intensity / crushing my back.
Also have the biggest natty back you've ever seen, so it clearly works.
I can bang out around 7 @115kg with no help, but nothing compares to the squeeze of the weight assist pullup. Real talk fr fr
A lean, athletic guy at 12% bodyfat doing 10 pullups will look more impressive than a 20%+ bodyfat powershitter doing a 4pl8 DL any time of the day.
pic VERY related
>athletic guy at 12% bodyfat doing 10 pullups >12% bodyfat >10 pullups
You will be completely dyel at these numbers, change it to 10 pullups with +50-75% of bodyweight added then we can talk.
Yeah because why would you do just 10 pullups if they aren't anywhere near failure? Implication is that he has a lot of reps in reserve so his max would be like 13-15 pullups, which is pathetic at that bodyfat%. If he has 50-75% of bw added? Now we're talking, he'll have a big back guaranteed especially if he uses good technique instead of the sloppy kipping reps that most people do. Plus that puts him fairly close to being able to do a one arm pullup which is way cooler anyway (shit developmental exercise tho)
I like doing heavy weighted pull ups for 5 to 8 reps to start my 1st pull day while doing bodyweight pull ups for 10-12 reps on my 2nd pull day after I start my workout with heavy farmer's walks. My back exploded with that routine.
No. My grand father died from doing pull ups and my aunt was raped by a pull up bar
israeli holohoax tales b like
>t. fatass
Are you moronic? Do you not understand satire?
No. They're a cope lift for underweight midgets .
If you can do a single pullup you need to eat more.
Not all bloatlords have this kind of athleticism.
>one arm deadlift for 12 reps
not bad
No they can kill you
i do them after deadlifts
it's nice because if you can do them weighted it decompresses your spine really nicely and it's a good addition for posterior chain day
Just do a dead hang and you get the same benefits, 1 minute in, just do your set first and then dead hang if you have no way to add weights.
nope. adding weight at the bottom of the spine stretches it much better
Not him but you can just do weighted dead hangs lol
why do deadhangs if you can do pullups? do you jsut go to gym to waste time?
You need to completely relax your back to feel the decompression and start feeling pops and shit. I'm not sure you can do that with a chain hanging from your body but maybe it's just a matter of practice.
You can do that just fine, I go into a full dead hang at the bottom of every rep on pullups
Because what if my lats are too fatigued already from doing pullups in the previous session, as well as more lat volume in the current session? And what if I want to get in my grip volume as well? Dead hangs don't even take long to do, just superset them with something else at the end of your leg session and you're good
>You can do that just fine, I go into a full dead hang at the bottom of every rep on pullups
Meant to say weighted pullups for clarification
follow the reply chain and you will see that i said it's good after deadlifts which is what i do. if you do a bunch of useless exercises that just fatigue you that's on you.
it easier with weight at the bottom of the spine. to hear a pop in the spine without weight i have to twist my legs from side to side with weight it can happen by just pulling the slack
Do them without grabbing onto the bar, fries your lats very well since you can go to failure and do partials without your grip failing
>I rack the barbell and then start doing my squats
Kek
I'm not even kidding when I say this though, I use figure 8 straps to lock my hands into position just under the bar now. I can go to failure without my grip being a limiting factor at all because I'm not even holding onto the bar. Also I can do neutral grip pullups and supinating pullups (start in a pullup position, end in a chinup position at the top) on a straight bar lol
If only my grip was my limiting factor in how many pull ups I can do
Well it isn't a limiting factor if I do them the way most people do them but in order to feel my lats I have to be extremely autistic with my technique which makes the set take way longer, which actually caused my grip to start failing so I found this as a solution. Also I can do partials which is nice, and the fact that I don't have to think about my grip at all is great as well, I just have to focus on dragging my elbows down as hard as possible during each rep
Pull ups are a volume sport, you have to dedicate some hours into them to get really good fast.
how tf is your grip a limiting factor in pullups?
Keep reading friendo
i don't get it sorry
Because this is the way I have to do pullups to feel my lats at all, which makes the set take way longer so my grip tends to give out too early
>start in a full dead hang with shoulders behind ears
>depress scapula while keeping arms mostly straight, flex shoulders slightly
>pull chin over the bar (touch clavicle to bar for bonus points) and pause for a second or two
>descend with a slow eccentric, depress scapula again on the way down if they elevated on the way up
>return to the same position as >depress scapula while keeping arms mostly straight, flex shoulders slightly
>let your scapula elevate, and extend your shoulders more so that your shoulders are now behind your ears. pause for a second or two
>repeat
this is pointless torture. you don't get more gains doing this. if your bodyweight pullups are not challenging just add weight and do normal ones
>this is pointless torture. you don't get more gains doing this.
Well I don't feel my lats at all doing normal ones but when I do them like this it feels like my lats are trying to escape my body lol
>if your bodyweight pullups are not challenging just add weight and do normal ones
You know I add weight on these too, right?
>don't feel lats when doing pullups
there's no way to not feel your lats on a pullup. you're just making your sets unnecessarily longer which means you're getting more blood in your working muscles. training for pump is fine every once in a while but it's basically weighted cardio and mindless torture
you just get a pump and feel like you're growing
>there's no way to not feel your lats on a pullup. you're just making your sets unnecessarily longer which means you're getting more blood in your working muscles.
Dude I literally feel them more from a set of 5 than I did doing them the normal way for sets of 15, I don't think it's the pump lmao
Plus I actually get DOMS in my lats which NEVER happened before unless I was doing hundreds of pullups or something
>training for pump is fine every once in a while but it's basically weighted cardio and mindless torture
My breathing doesn't even get elevated from these sets, tf? Work on your conditioning bro
>you just get a pump and feel like you're growing
No I mean I can literally see that my lower lats are bigger than before, previously they were non-existent but now I can actually see them without flexing really hard to get them to be visible
bro your set is 5 reps but you need wraps for your forearms. think about it logically. do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
>bro your set is 5 reps but you need wraps for your forearms.
My apologies for being negligent but you do know that by this point my forearms are already tired from doing strapless rows, right? My lats are still pretty fresh since the way I do rows hardly involves them at all which is why this happens lol
>do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
Dude I already told you, my breathing doesn't even get elevated from this shit. Explain to me how that's cardio? And as for reps, we know that anything in the 5-30 rep range is about the same when it comes to hypertrophy results. I'm not even doing high reps, my rep range for these is 5-8 typically which is obviously on the low end. Cardio is sustained effort for a MUCH longer period of time, so even the squats that I do that leave me out of breath due to the way I perform them still aren't cardio because the duration of the effort is still too short. If you're doing sets of 50 then yeah now that might be cardio but besides that it's always going to be anaerobic lmao
>Dude I already told you, my breathing doesn't even get elevated from this shit. Explain to me how that's cardio?
it's weighted cardio your 5 reps are equavalent to a 20rm
>it's weighted cardio your 5 reps are equavalent to a 20rm
No it isn't because my breathing isn't elevated at all. If I do a set of 20 on chinups I would certainly be breathing hard by the end of it, but a set of 5 on this variation and I can walk off without being out of breath at all
Yes because it's a novel stimulus. Guess what, I still get sore from doing pullups this way even though I've been doing them for months now. That means it's not causing me to be sore just because my body hasn't adapted yet, it's because the stimulus is so high that even though my body has produced adaptations to reduce the amount of muscle damage from each session (since I've been doing them for months), I still get sore anyway lol. And again, my lats are literally growing again after they stalled for ages when I was doing normal pullups. I think this way is just better, sorry bro but your arguments are shit
Also since when is a 20 rep set cardio? If your cardio is shit then yeah it is, but that just means your cardio is bad. If you have good cardio, and you can take the set to muscular failure, then by definition it is not cardio since it is the muscle that is giving out, not your heart and lungs. If this was the case then widowmaker squats would be garbage but they're actually a time-proven method that puts a ton of mass on the legs
i said weighted cardio
>i said weighted cardio
But it isn't cardio you moron? My heart and lungs aren't giving out, not even close, but my muscles are. That means it isn't cardio, simple as. Even if I was doing 30 reps, as long as it was my muscles that gave out and not my heart and lungs, it would still not be cardio. The ONLY time when lifting weights becomes cardio is if your heart and lungs give out before your muscles, and even then I wouldn't call that cardio since your heartrate and breathing aren't being chronically elevated, that's just called cardiovascular failure, which you want to avoid.
it's a spectrum moron. holy shit fricking autist
And? That bolsters my argument since judging by the parameters I'm very far away from the "cardio" end of the spectrum
>do 1 hour cardio you're gonna be sore then too doesn't mean you're getting better gains
Also this is a you problem, I can do an hour of cardio and I will not be sore at all. I think your recovery capabilities are just shit lmao
maybe because you already do cardio. but if you're hypertrophy training only and you do cardio for the first time you will be sore but that doesn't mean gains
Also the other reason why I started doing this is because my lats pretty much stopped growing entirely, but they seem to be growing now so I think it definitely worked
Lol bro just float
Real homies know
Achievable natty?
Yes but I prefer to do chinups because I don't do curls
pull ups are based. when you ascend to 3-4 sets of 12+ reps weighted, you feel like a king
Heavy chinups gifted me with bicep tendonitis in the shoulder.
Shit sucks
Pullups are a cheap alternative to something with multiple grip orientations and loading options.
Doing more pullups doesn't make you stronger, same with pushups. Unless you're pushing 220+ and lifting to sternum, no one cares how much air you generate with chin wiggles.
>multiple grip orientations
you mean like wide/narrow and standard/neutral/chin up/that homosexual ball fondling shit rock climbers do? homosexual
Climbers are weirdos who think stress fractures are rewards.
I'm talking about stuff like adjustible height high cable stacks, machine pullovers, and other back assist stuff.
Way to deflect, homosexual. Pullups have a ton of variety.
lol fatty
Sure, you could dip belt yourself to a reasonable weight and eek out reps. You'd even make progress, eventually.
Or you could be sane and supplement bodyweight training with barbell and machine resistance movements.
No. 100% of people who do pull-ups die. Do you want to fricking die?
just jump
I got mired at my gym today while doing chin ups, I think I'm the only one there that does it.
Guy looked at me and said it's a badass exercise and that he never learned how to do it. I just learned it aswell and can only do 4x5.
Feels good, bros.
most people find pullups impressive, except fit. fit doesnt into anything, unless their favourite youtuber says so.
Everybody and their dog does it at my gym. Women too. If you can't do a few pullups with okay form, and you're not a top level elite strength athlete in the highest weight classes, you're a certified turbo dyel.
at the gym it isnt that impressive, but bang out a few anywhere else and you get mires. its kind of the same thing as if you have a cool job, the guys at the job dont give a shit, but everyone else gets impressed
Weight assisted pullups, slow as shit while squeezing is my favorite lift and nothing compares in terms of intensity / crushing my back.
Also have the biggest natty back you've ever seen, so it clearly works.
I can bang out around 7 @115kg with no help, but nothing compares to the squeeze of the weight assist pullup. Real talk fr fr
Pull-ups are undoubtably the greatest exercise of all time, if you could only do one exercise for the rest of your life it would be pull-ups.
> it’s impossible to ruin your aesthetics by having too big of a Back or biceps
> Best metric for overall athleticism as you can’t be fat
> it never fails to impress Normies
> it’s impossible to injure yourself by doing them
>they decompress your spine
A lean, athletic guy at 12% bodyfat doing 10 pullups will look more impressive than a 20%+ bodyfat powershitter doing a 4pl8 DL any time of the day.
pic VERY related
If you can only do 10 you're not "athletic"
Normies don't know that. As long as you have abs, you're in the top 1% of men.
>athletic guy at 12% bodyfat doing 10 pullups
>12% bodyfat
>10 pullups
You will be completely dyel at these numbers, change it to 10 pullups with +50-75% of bodyweight added then we can talk.
Was it anywhere implied that it's 10RM?
Yeah because why would you do just 10 pullups if they aren't anywhere near failure? Implication is that he has a lot of reps in reserve so his max would be like 13-15 pullups, which is pathetic at that bodyfat%. If he has 50-75% of bw added? Now we're talking, he'll have a big back guaranteed especially if he uses good technique instead of the sloppy kipping reps that most people do. Plus that puts him fairly close to being able to do a one arm pullup which is way cooler anyway (shit developmental exercise tho)
a pretty long post for a fatty cope
>fatty cope
Since when do fatties do pullups with 50% of bodyweight added? Kek
3-4 is enough but I'm usually warmed up enough from doing rows beforehand anyway
>do 10 pullups
>finish
>"ah, that was a nice warm-up"
this man has no game
I can easily do both without breaking a sweat and I look like a dyel motherfricker. Being natty and having a high bodyfat is pain
why are pullups so hard?
what should my numbers be on the lat pulldown machine before I can start doing more than 5 reps of pullups?
I weigh 260lbs and did two deadhang pullups yesterday.
I like doing heavy weighted pull ups for 5 to 8 reps to start my 1st pull day while doing bodyweight pull ups for 10-12 reps on my 2nd pull day after I start my workout with heavy farmer's walks. My back exploded with that routine.
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