Texture can make or break a food. I was making wraps and couldn't figure out why they were so disgusting. They were missing lettuce. Iceberg lettuce took them from F tier to B tier.
All man made. None of them have any singificant abmount of actually absorbable nutrients.
Bitter taste = toxic.
I like some lettuce or cabbage for texture and sometimes the others can taste good but they are a small side at most.
>bitter taste = toxic
They have been selectively breeding the bitter taste out of our veggies for at least the last hundred years so that they’re more palatable to dumb mutts like you, and this has degraded their nutritional profile.
So-called antinutrients are almost universally linked to positive health outcomes when consumed at low-moderate levels (ie normal consumption) and have numerous positive effects on gut health, blood pressure and cancer growth/development
Phytic acid / Phytate
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8383315/ >Suppression of colonic cancer by dietary phytic acid
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8230256/ >The combination of phytate and butyrate disturbed the cell cycle and triggered apoptosis and/or death in both studied cancer colonocytes to a higher extent compared to healthy colonocytes. Moreover, in healthy colonocytes, phytate activated the survival pathway without stimulation of inflammatory response
let me tell you about the best leafy green ISTbros >Sorrel
it's super healthy
it's sour
and most importantly it's dead easy to grow (at least here in central europe)
literally just dump a bunch of seed on a sunny part of your garden, a bit earth on top, water - and you're good to go
i always aim for 4-5kg Sorrel each year and freeze most of if
also i hate sweet shakes
so i always buy neutral protein powder and blend it with Sorrel, absolutely amazing, year round
based sorrel bro
I go picking wild horse sorrel with my village relatives and braid them to dry during the summer so I can make soup during the winter
After nettle, sorrel is my favorite green
based sorrel bro
I go picking wild horse sorrel with my village relatives and braid them to dry during the summer so I can make soup during the winter
After nettle, sorrel is my favorite green
sorrel turns red right? or does it have a red juice? i think ppl make tea with it here, but i dont like it
I only eat broccoli and water spinach. I used to eat green beans but they kinda sucked considering I only eat greens for the fiber and they were low on fiber.
isn't bloating just because the gut flora needs to change?
these people didn't eat enough fiber before, so your body needs like 2-3 months to adjust away from goyslop
hunter and gatherers ate like 100g fiber per day
average american diet is like 20g fiber per day
>sure they did veggie boy
We literally have their feces
10 months ago
Anonymous
post source and don't forget to post body veggie boy
10 months ago
Anonymous
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4684-2481-2_8
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19442166/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24846385/
https://www.nature.com/articles/453563a
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1207701
I accept your concession
10 months ago
Anonymous
Can't access the following two through my university
If you can access and have a pdf feel free to share it here because at least the first of the two seems relevant enough to this discussion (if not very old).
As for the rest: very clever slight of hand, when talking about "hunter gatherers", obviously we're talking about modern man: homosexual sapiens. Our diet and digestive tract changed after the invention of cooking which most likely happened by homosexual erectus. Anything before that is irrelevant and not worth any attention in this discussion. It would be like saying the human diet consists of single celled organisms, after all we descend from primitive single celled organisms. Either you're trying to fool me or you're trying to fool yourself. You're fortunately failing at the former or unfortunately succeeding at the latter.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24846385/
about hunger signaling of a literal baboon (with whom we share a common ancestor 30-25mil years ago).
>https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1207701
concerned with early hominids, not modern man.
>https://www.nature.com/articles/453563a
Does not even mention fiber and is not relevant to this discussion in the slightest. Did you even read this shit before posting?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If you can access and have a pdf feel free to share it here because at least the first of the two seems relevant enough to this discussion (if not very old).
If you can't figure out how to access them without paying, you are unironically too moronic to be having this conversation altogether. Try again in your next life.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you're too moronic to post even one relevant paper I'm not sure what you're doing here either. Anyways post the pdfs
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Anyways post the pdfs
Never. Figure it out or keep coping.
>Nice strawman
You dont know what that means >Meat becomes less nutritionally dense in these freak animals
I accept you concession >but plants just become less toxic
So terrible >and they didn't have any meaningful amount of nutrients
Objectively false. >I also don't eat from hormone- and antibioticsmaxxed animals
Yeah you do but ooookay.
>Leafy greens
https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php
Enjoy your pesticides >vegatables >source of vitamin A
Beta Carotene is not vitamin A. It's a compound that can be used by your body to produce retinol at a very inefficient conversion rate.
Some people actually cannot convert it very well at all
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-happens-when-the-body-cannot-process-beta-carotene >Omega 3
Virtually zero. The form of "n3" known as Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA) is not used by your body. What is used by your body are Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) and Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA). Your body needs to convert ALA to EPA and DHA to use it. The conversion is extremely inefficient at 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637947/ >Protein
Again. Virtually zero. You'd have to eat a wheel barrel full of greens to get the amount needed for a lightweight sedentary person. Plus it's very low on the digestibility indexes.
>provided evidence as to why the image is inaccurate in at least a few ways and why veggie consumption is generally dangerous >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S A STRAWMAN YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M POISONING MYSELF!
>You'd have to eat a wheel barrel full of greens to get the amount needed for a lightweight sedentary person
Wrong. The baseline is 0.36g per lb of bodyweight. If you et a calorie sufficient diet you can't get less than enough. If you ate only celery you'd get over 100g of protein
>Wrong
Not wrong. >The baseline is 0.36g per lb of bodyweight
That is maintenance for a sedentary person yes. >If you et a calorie sufficient diet you can't get less than enough
You're not thinking about what you're saying. >If you ate only celery you'd get over 100g of protein
There's virtually ZERO protein in celery
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169988/nutrients
You would have to eat 14 kg of celery just to get to 100g of protein. For a sedentary person, say weighting 180 lbs, they would have to eat 9.3 kg of celery just to technically meet their protein requirements.
Even then, you have to account for the fact that it's not digestible in the same way as the protein in say an egg, milk, chicken, etc. as indictated by its DIAAS score which will be no more than 0.89 as the range for veggies is 0.73-0.89. So you're essentially only going to absorb only 73-89 grams of that protein. Account for that, you'd actually have to eat at leas 16 kg of celery just to meat your protein needs.
You provided zero evidence. You measured irrelevant points by invalid metrics to support your strawman premise
>You provided zero evidence.
I have provided you an article discussing pesticide contamination in food >https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php
Unless you're growing the greens yourself, you're going to expose yourself to pesticides which have detrimental long and short term effects on your health. I also provide sources discussing why some of the claims in the image such as veggies being a source of Omega 3, and Protein being practically false and the claim that Vitamin A is found in veggies (when it's actually Beta Carotene, a different compound; yes, this does matter) is false.
>Doesn't take into account bioabvailability
It does >and the fact that you need cholesterol and saturated fat to live
You don't. There is literally 0 requirements for both. >I don't giva a shit what the "science" says
I know. You are all about making up your own reality. Have a good one.
I grow my own dinosaur kale, it's pretty grow and tastes good. It also makes my cat look like she's hiding in a little jungle when she naps in the garden, and that's adorable.
iceberg's my homie
Literally just crunchy water
hell yea love water
Texture can make or break a food. I was making wraps and couldn't figure out why they were so disgusting. They were missing lettuce. Iceberg lettuce took them from F tier to B tier.
You have to get the greenest ones or they are awful to eat
broccoli and cabbage are two of my favorite foods
yeah but I get them for free and with less glyphosate sprayed on them, life hack: logic owned
All plants are poison, I'm gay btw
All man made. None of them have any singificant abmount of actually absorbable nutrients.
Bitter taste = toxic.
I like some lettuce or cabbage for texture and sometimes the others can taste good but they are a small side at most.
>bitter taste = toxic
They have been selectively breeding the bitter taste out of our veggies for at least the last hundred years so that they’re more palatable to dumb mutts like you, and this has degraded their nutritional profile.
Antinutrients. You have to cook them to remove the bitter taste and antinutrients.
Vegetables are keto.
use your own words to explain the meaning of antinutrient, I want to have a laugh
Something like phytic acid which inhibits absorbtion of nutrients.
So-called antinutrients are almost universally linked to positive health outcomes when consumed at low-moderate levels (ie normal consumption) and have numerous positive effects on gut health, blood pressure and cancer growth/development
Phytic acid / Phytate
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8383315/
>Suppression of colonic cancer by dietary phytic acid
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8230256/
>The combination of phytate and butyrate disturbed the cell cycle and triggered apoptosis and/or death in both studied cancer colonocytes to a higher extent compared to healthy colonocytes. Moreover, in healthy colonocytes, phytate activated the survival pathway without stimulation of inflammatory response
phytic acid reduces the absorption of SOME minerals by less than 15%. this is what you obsess about.
>muh ANTI-NUTRIENTS!
You're wrong. Eat your greens, fellow goyim
I never said don't eat them I said cook them.
You've misinterpreted my post. I know what you've said and you're wrong. I'm telling you to do what you normally do and eat straight toxic elements.
Where did you get this idea that plants are toxic
every pig, cow and chicken you know is also "man made". I guess coffee is the most poisonous substance of all too.
>all man made
Meanwhile
beef does not come from belgian blue
let me tell you about the best leafy green ISTbros
>Sorrel
it's super healthy
it's sour
and most importantly it's dead easy to grow (at least here in central europe)
literally just dump a bunch of seed on a sunny part of your garden, a bit earth on top, water - and you're good to go
i always aim for 4-5kg Sorrel each year and freeze most of if
also i hate sweet shakes
so i always buy neutral protein powder and blend it with Sorrel, absolutely amazing, year round
based sorrel bro
I go picking wild horse sorrel with my village relatives and braid them to dry during the summer so I can make soup during the winter
After nettle, sorrel is my favorite green
sorrel turns red right? or does it have a red juice? i think ppl make tea with it here, but i dont like it
I only eat broccoli and water spinach. I used to eat green beans but they kinda sucked considering I only eat greens for the fiber and they were low on fiber.
I eat cabbage or spinach every single day.
I only eat onion and leek. Am I missing something?
You will never be a herbivore
Humans ferment fiber into butyrate
Ah so that's what's happening here :^)
isn't bloating just because the gut flora needs to change?
these people didn't eat enough fiber before, so your body needs like 2-3 months to adjust away from goyslop
hunter and gatherers ate like 100g fiber per day
average american diet is like 20g fiber per day
>isn't bloating just because the gut flora needs to change?
no it's just the insane amount of fiber that causes gut flora to overgrow
>hunter and gatherers ate like 100g fiber per day
sure they did veggie boy
anyways post body
>sure they did veggie boy
We literally have their feces
post source and don't forget to post body veggie boy
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4684-2481-2_8
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19442166/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24846385/
https://www.nature.com/articles/453563a
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1207701
I accept your concession
Can't access the following two through my university
>https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4684-2481-2_8
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19442166/
If you can access and have a pdf feel free to share it here because at least the first of the two seems relevant enough to this discussion (if not very old).
As for the rest: very clever slight of hand, when talking about "hunter gatherers", obviously we're talking about modern man: homosexual sapiens. Our diet and digestive tract changed after the invention of cooking which most likely happened by homosexual erectus. Anything before that is irrelevant and not worth any attention in this discussion. It would be like saying the human diet consists of single celled organisms, after all we descend from primitive single celled organisms. Either you're trying to fool me or you're trying to fool yourself. You're fortunately failing at the former or unfortunately succeeding at the latter.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24846385/
about hunger signaling of a literal baboon (with whom we share a common ancestor 30-25mil years ago).
>https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1207701
concerned with early hominids, not modern man.
>https://www.nature.com/articles/453563a
Does not even mention fiber and is not relevant to this discussion in the slightest. Did you even read this shit before posting?
>If you can access and have a pdf feel free to share it here because at least the first of the two seems relevant enough to this discussion (if not very old).
If you can't figure out how to access them without paying, you are unironically too moronic to be having this conversation altogether. Try again in your next life.
If you're too moronic to post even one relevant paper I'm not sure what you're doing here either. Anyways post the pdfs
>Anyways post the pdfs
Never. Figure it out or keep coping.
They just need to buy expensive digestive enzyme supplement and then quit the diet in a few years anyway
>Nice strawman
You dont know what that means
>Meat becomes less nutritionally dense in these freak animals
I accept you concession
>but plants just become less toxic
So terrible
>and they didn't have any meaningful amount of nutrients
Objectively false.
>I also don't eat from hormone- and antibioticsmaxxed animals
Yeah you do but ooookay.
no one eats any of this without covering the terrible taste. wake up sheeple
You have never eaten unseasoned boiled beef
all it needs is fat and salt, and it's not to "cover up" the taste
Mmm, kidney stones
im not, greens are a total meme and taste awful
>Leafy greens
https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php
Enjoy your pesticides
>vegatables
>source of vitamin A
Beta Carotene is not vitamin A. It's a compound that can be used by your body to produce retinol at a very inefficient conversion rate.
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/150/5/1337/5828505?login=false
https://www.geneticlifehacks.com/beta-carotene-conversion-to-vitamin-a/
Some people actually cannot convert it very well at all
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-happens-when-the-body-cannot-process-beta-carotene
>Omega 3
Virtually zero. The form of "n3" known as Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA) is not used by your body. What is used by your body are Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) and Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA). Your body needs to convert ALA to EPA and DHA to use it. The conversion is extremely inefficient at 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637947/
>Protein
Again. Virtually zero. You'd have to eat a wheel barrel full of greens to get the amount needed for a lightweight sedentary person. Plus it's very low on the digestibility indexes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestible_Indispensable_Amino_Acid_Score
>100% strawman response
Sad
>provided evidence as to why the image is inaccurate in at least a few ways and why veggie consumption is generally dangerous
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S A STRAWMAN YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M POISONING MYSELF!
You provided zero evidence. You measured irrelevant points by invalid metrics to support your strawman premise
>You'd have to eat a wheel barrel full of greens to get the amount needed for a lightweight sedentary person
Wrong. The baseline is 0.36g per lb of bodyweight. If you et a calorie sufficient diet you can't get less than enough. If you ate only celery you'd get over 100g of protein
>Wrong
Not wrong.
>The baseline is 0.36g per lb of bodyweight
That is maintenance for a sedentary person yes.
>If you et a calorie sufficient diet you can't get less than enough
You're not thinking about what you're saying.
>If you ate only celery you'd get over 100g of protein
There's virtually ZERO protein in celery
https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169988/nutrients
You would have to eat 14 kg of celery just to get to 100g of protein. For a sedentary person, say weighting 180 lbs, they would have to eat 9.3 kg of celery just to technically meet their protein requirements.
Even then, you have to account for the fact that it's not digestible in the same way as the protein in say an egg, milk, chicken, etc. as indictated by its DIAAS score which will be no more than 0.89 as the range for veggies is 0.73-0.89. So you're essentially only going to absorb only 73-89 grams of that protein. Account for that, you'd actually have to eat at leas 16 kg of celery just to meat your protein needs.
>You provided zero evidence.
I have provided you an article discussing pesticide contamination in food
>https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php
Unless you're growing the greens yourself, you're going to expose yourself to pesticides which have detrimental long and short term effects on your health. I also provide sources discussing why some of the claims in the image such as veggies being a source of Omega 3, and Protein being practically false and the claim that Vitamin A is found in veggies (when it's actually Beta Carotene, a different compound; yes, this does matter) is false.
Yeah, I love oxalates and phytic acid.
>Doesn't take into account bioabvailability
It does
>and the fact that you need cholesterol and saturated fat to live
You don't. There is literally 0 requirements for both.
>I don't giva a shit what the "science" says
I know. You are all about making up your own reality. Have a good one.
I grow my own dinosaur kale, it's pretty grow and tastes good. It also makes my cat look like she's hiding in a little jungle when she naps in the garden, and that's adorable.
I have a lot of lettuce so I can have it soaked with the mug of olive oil I have every day
The Vegan schizo has come back from banjail again, quick post fricked up vegans!
Arent you missing out on k1 if you dont eat them? I try to eat broccoli and spinach every once in a while
I can’t remember the last time I ate a vegetable