Vegetable fats found in natural sources have health benefits, however it's physically impossible for you to eat enough vegetables daily (without being a turbo fatty which has its own set of problems) to get the same level of oil that even one table spoon of vegetable oil gives.
Let alone if you have vegetable oil used in every single meal or for multiple servings in a meal.
Effectively we are constantly oversaturated with vegetable oils 24/7 and it causes an abundant amount of health problems.
Namely it lowers metabolic rate, which has been proven. Which leads to less calories burned and increases obesity rates.
There are others, but I'm not as knowledgeable on the other side effects as I am with specifically just the obesity.
Animal fats on the other hand, do not lower metabolic rate. Animal fats can be used almost immediately, proven by the fact that human body temperature increases slightly after ingesting animal fats. >tldr
people who cook with animal fats on average are skinnier than those who cook with vegetable oils.
>PUFAs were associated with ischaemic heart disease [odds ratio 1.23, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.05 to 1.44] and lifespan in men (-0.76years, 95% CI -1.34 to -0.17)
it's just an observational study though, so take it with a grain of salt.
i was referring to human trials. animal studies dont always translate to what happens in humans
3 months ago
Anonymous
there are no long-term nutritional RCT's on humans. and almost all of the "benefits" of seed oils comes from short term mice/rat trials where they only look at LDL, note it's lower with PUFAs, and then conclude it's "better".
3 months ago
Anonymous
you misunderstand me. i was not arguing in favor of seed oils because they lower cholesterol. there are some long term RCTs done decades ago. not twenty years long but a few years long >The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline -13.8%v-1.0%; P<0.001). Kaplan Meier graphs showed no mortality benefit for the intervention group in the full randomized cohort or for any prespecified subgroup. There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh, I thought
clinical trials on seed oils show they make no difference on mortality or they reduce it
and
>mortality
lifespan*
were the same person.
and that re-evaluation study is great, but I still think that the type of fat from natural whole foods (even PUFAs) doesn't matter for disease or mortality, but what does matter is added fat/sugar/flour from processed oils/grains (with repeatedly heated seed oils being the worst, and tallow being the best).
We get it. You hate Chinese people. >oooooooh look at me a fricking Westerner so conveniently deciding vegetable oil a, stable of Chinese cuisine, is le bad
Fricking racist.
Dont care, still gonna keep drinking it.
What's wrong with any of this?
Vegetable fats found in natural sources have health benefits, however it's physically impossible for you to eat enough vegetables daily (without being a turbo fatty which has its own set of problems) to get the same level of oil that even one table spoon of vegetable oil gives.
Let alone if you have vegetable oil used in every single meal or for multiple servings in a meal.
Effectively we are constantly oversaturated with vegetable oils 24/7 and it causes an abundant amount of health problems.
Namely it lowers metabolic rate, which has been proven. Which leads to less calories burned and increases obesity rates.
There are others, but I'm not as knowledgeable on the other side effects as I am with specifically just the obesity.
Animal fats on the other hand, do not lower metabolic rate. Animal fats can be used almost immediately, proven by the fact that human body temperature increases slightly after ingesting animal fats.
>tldr
people who cook with animal fats on average are skinnier than those who cook with vegetable oils.
>PUFAs were associated with ischaemic heart disease [odds ratio 1.23, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.05 to 1.44] and lifespan in men (-0.76years, 95% CI -1.34 to -0.17)
it's just an observational study though, so take it with a grain of salt.
clinical trials on seed oils show they make no difference on mortality or they reduce it
there are pretty much no clinical trials on seed oils.
they stopped doing them decades ago because they kept getting the wrong answer. the more rigorous the trial the worse the outcome
>mortality
lifespan*
i was referring to human trials. animal studies dont always translate to what happens in humans
there are no long-term nutritional RCT's on humans. and almost all of the "benefits" of seed oils comes from short term mice/rat trials where they only look at LDL, note it's lower with PUFAs, and then conclude it's "better".
you misunderstand me. i was not arguing in favor of seed oils because they lower cholesterol. there are some long term RCTs done decades ago. not twenty years long but a few years long
>The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline -13.8%v-1.0%; P<0.001). Kaplan Meier graphs showed no mortality benefit for the intervention group in the full randomized cohort or for any prespecified subgroup. There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27071971/
oh, I thought
and
were the same person.
and that re-evaluation study is great, but I still think that the type of fat from natural whole foods (even PUFAs) doesn't matter for disease or mortality, but what does matter is added fat/sugar/flour from processed oils/grains (with repeatedly heated seed oils being the worst, and tallow being the best).
We get it. You hate Chinese people.
>oooooooh look at me a fricking Westerner so conveniently deciding vegetable oil a, stable of Chinese cuisine, is le bad
Fricking racist.
God dammit why do Asians get so touchy about their food, nobody fricking cares.
How do humans even come up with shit like this?
All you had to do was squeeze de olives, prideful white man!
That's only for extra virgin olive oil
Olive oil goes through a bit more, but still considerably less than Sneed oil